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>>522055393
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://youtu.be/GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many white nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>522055393
Does he debate Muslims? What about Jews?

>>522055393
Two options are possible: One is that god is incompetent and this earth is literally the best that she can do, which is horrifying. The other option is god is sadistic and likes to watch people suffer, which is also horrifying. In either case, god has nothing to do with Abrahamtards' idea of god.

>>522055751
yes

>>522055852
>she
How to out yourself as someone not meant to be taken serious.
>>522055937
Buy an ad.

>>522056016
First of all, I think that god isn't real, but if god was real, god could be a woman. That's why I said that.

>>522055937
Can you show me?

Where did DNA come from? I'll wait.

>>522055393
I debated him, made him look foolish, he rage banned me from the stream and went on to the next guest.

>>522056320
muh god of the gaps argument
you got anything new chief?

>>522055393
what's his best argument?

>>522056418
Logical fallacies and fish galloping to make guests say something stupid

my conversations with internet atheists are like

>them: (bailey) GOD IS A FAIRY TALE! YOUR GOD DOES NOT EXIST!
>me: what makes you say that?
>them: (motte) i merely lack belief in a gods
>me: why do you lack belief? what evidence has been presented to you
>them: there is no evidence
>me: what about (yada yada, MFA, cosmological/teleological/ontological/moral arguments)
>them: that's not evidence
>me: isn't evidence something that raises the probability of something being true?
>them: if it's not scientifically verifiable then it's meaningless
>me: can you scientifically verify that statement?
>them: sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy

>>522056379
Yeah right, and you also sucked Clinton as Trump did It.

>>522056910
Could or couldn't be god/a, not really my problem.

The problem is Whites worshipping a fictional circumcised jewish rabbi shit skin that taught the Torah in synagogues, and generally abrahamic baby raping dick mutilators as a whole.

>>522057256
why is the survival of the white race something we ought to ensure in a universe without meaning or purpose?

>>522057256
god/s*

>>522057140
The video is on youtube, he asks me the same question 10 times, i answer 10 times. He bans me and whines and then his female simps console him about his loss after he bans me

>>522055393
People that say such things have never taken a moment of true self honesty and introspection. They don't question they declare. God is a paradox. The point is to sit in the middle so you can see all sides. Seeing with one eye and all.

>>522057316
Kinda weird to believe in god if you don't think the universe has meaning but you do you booboo.

>>522055393
I'm not one of those lib atheists who go
>"LOL GOD ISN'T REAL! ISN'T IT FUN TO SCIENCE?!?"
The fact that god doesn't exist is terrifying and it's a horror I think about at least once daily.

>>522057140
He says "i dont know what it is about that argument"

Female simps: "its their new argument its like... Yeah"

Him: "Anyway on to the next guest"

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Always a cracker faggot trying to disprove Christianity because they see it as a rebellion against their mommy taking them to Church on Sunday instead of staying at home to play video games. It's never Pisslam or Kikediasm

Hmmmm.....

I don't want to see any of these cracker edgelord channels until I see it dished out in equal measure to all religions. This is already getting boring and stale and 20 years counting since the Atheist Movement of the early 2000s.

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>>522057256
>a fictional circumcised jewish rabbi

Atheist faggots like you whine about conservatives being conspiracy theorists and then deny the existence of the most credible figure in history.

Pathetic.

>>522055393
These cowards will never debate muslims or jews it's just for kikes to slander christians.

>>522057140
We debated whether the laws of nature applied in this dimension

I said yes they apply in this dimension

He asks again same question

I say yes in this dimension

Five more times

He bans me

Female simps console him after

>>522057430
you are confused but my question was a little bit loaded.
the anon stated he doesn't care about whether or not God exists, but what was implicit in my framing is that if God does not exist, then the universe lacks inherent purpose or meaning and any meaning we ascribe to existence is arbitrary. i was asking in such a scenario why should we give a shit about what whites do if nothing ultimately matters, which is the logical implication of a world without a god.

here's a syllogism for you to play with
p1: if atheism is true, then the universe and human life are the result of unguided, non-intentional processes.
p2: if life is the product of non-intentional processes, then there is no intrinsic purpose or value to human existence.
p3: if there is no intrinsic value to human existence, then there is no objective basis for moral duties or obligations.
c: therefore, if atheism is true, objective moral duties and obligations do not exist.

>>522057523
Fuck all desert shit skin abrahamism. christianity is a sect of judaism. I only care about Whites, and christianity pollutes us the most.
>>522057530
Image macros don't create proof, zoomzoom.
>>522057570
Damn, you're retarded as fuck. The jewish rabbi worship bullshit needs to be dropped, simple as.

>>522057256
Not believing Jesus was the son of God is up to you
Thinking he wasn't a real person just exposes your pitiful iq

>>522057735
0 contemporary sources. Next.

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>>522055393
>GOD IS NOT REAL!!!
>Is incarnated into being
Checkmate faggot

>>522057710
>The jewish rabbi worship bullshit needs to be dropped, simple as.
what makes you say that?
from where do you derive your 'oughts?'

>>522057867
christians are mental niggers and spiritual jews. YOU physically disgust me with your pompous faggotry.

>>522057570
No. Just because god doesn't exist doesn't mean we should hurt or kill people while we're here. Life is already too short, we should try to make it as pleasant an experience as possible.

>>522057764
if i show the existence of just one that even non-Christian historical scholarship dates the within the first 5 years after the resurrection, what will you do?

>>522057985
You disgust me for beign a garbage anti-christ shitter.

>>522055393
The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him.
All his thoughts are, “There is no God.”
— Psalm 10:4

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I deleted my apologetics account after the location feature. It went absolutely nowhere anyways like talking to a wall. I can now freely use my talking points to boot.
The apologist circle would have to do their best without me.

>>522058019
>No. Just because god doesn't exist doesn't mean we should hurt or kill people while we're here.
my point is that there would be no 'shoulds' or 'oughts' at all.
helping an old lady cross the street or raping her would be morally equivalent with the value of 0 because moral truth values would not exist beyond arbitrary social convention.
>Life is already too short, we should try to make it as pleasant an experience as possible.
a lot of people derive joy from wanton violence, typically their expression of it is limited to dreams of videogames, but under atheism, what makes our actions on earth any different from playing some first person shooter or carjacking game?
>>522057985
i understand that you're upset, but what's your answer?

I don't care about your enlightenment "reason" drivel.
No one gives a fuck whether the human senses can prove the existence of God, there is no debate. Atheists can continue to tip their fedoras.

>>522058051
>if
Pretty funny how the literal son of God has such little documented and widespread proof. christians should be able to point to a library of information, yet... Nothing.
>>522058126
Yes, I am anti-jew thus anti-christ, what's your point brownie?

>>522058273
>Pretty funny blah blah
what's your answer though?

>>522058211
The ten commandments were invented by human beings in a world where god doesn't exist. Humans derived morality from the world we live in. They didn't need a god to have morality and we don't need a god to have morality either. Such a stupid argument.

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>>522058273
Post your feet so I can read your ancestry bloodlines.

>>522058211
The answer is you're a mental nigger and spiritual jew. You project your anti-White view upon me.

>>522058395
Coward

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>>522055393
Why would you enter into debate with someone mocking an idolatrous image of God? It’s already not a serious debate and is merely going to be a retard talking over you and calling you names.

>>522055393
Is software "real"? Or "thoughts"?
The "god" entity is of the same nature.

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>>522058354
Generally, I would, but you're a memeflaggot potential homosexual groyper gooner.
>>522058419
You act like I owe a jew worshipper race traitor something lol

>>522058338
>The ten commandments were invented by human beings in a world where god doesn't exist.
that's ultimately irrelevant to my point about moral ontology.
but i am seeing that you're taking the stance of positive atheism, as in explicitly stating that "God does not exist" rather than hiding behind agnosticism.
can you justify this knowledge claim?

under the Christian framework, man has epistemic access to the truth value of moral claims even without the revelation of scripture as the moral law is written onto even the unbeliever's hearts.

>>522056183
https://youtu.be/0aXkA9rU1ow?si

I've seen him debate rabbi on stream also

>>522058626
I woeship the Almighty God.

>>522058051
Post a single first hand European account of his existence

>>522058717
Yeah, a fictional circumcised jewish rabbi who taught the Torah in synagogues, from the jewish pantheon.

>>522058806
You are a garbage anti-christ shitter, and you will go to Hell. You probably living in it anyway, and it will knly get worst for you.

>>522058655
I think god probably is a fiction of man, but like I said above, there's two scenarios that could also be true:
One is that god is incompetent and this earth is literally the best that she can do, which is horrifying. The other option is god is sadistic and likes to watch people suffer, which is also horrifying.

God is not real just as borders, orbits or gravity aren't real.

God is not real but it exist and it's the most powerful entity in the creation.

What doesn't exist is black holes.
[Request to join if you disagree the discussion under my sole moderation, where i'm free to interrupt you or pretend you have connection issues.]

>>522058931
>god is sadistic
prequel is not canon

>>522055393
That guy? Easy peasy.

https://youtu.be/erht-qwlpAc?si

>>522058931
>I think god probably is a fiction of man
alright, i'll give you the choice.

you can let me needle into how you came to the probability that God's existence is fiction is >50% (which will be tedious at first but maybe interesting later) or go into the problem of evil you're bringing up (which will be tedious for me all the way through but very informative for you as your understanding of the issue is extremely poor)

>>522058931
Third possibility: you have no idea what you’re talking about and are a bitter, small minded and fearful man. God is not a sadist and if you actually believe God is a sadist why would he not be actively torturing you right now? Why when bother with a pretense of “life” when He could just cut straight to burning you with fire? You’re illogical. Both ascribing evil to God and then limiting His power. Likewise no “God” capable of making this world would be a fool because to do so they would have to be the most intelligent fool in the history of the universe, capable of creating complex DNA and physics but incapable of somehow understanding human behavior. You’re deluded.

>>522058019
>should
Make me faggot

>>522059163
The way you describe it, it makes it sound like the more logical answer is that god is incompetent and can't create anything better than the world that we're in. Like I said though, the most logical answer is that god is a fictitious character that we created for our survival. And I'm not happy about this, by the way. The fact that god doesn't exist is horrifying, but I can't live in the delusional world that religious people live in.

>>522059150
Fiction or non-fiction. That's irrelevant. All immaterial being can be materialized with the right vessel.

>>522055393
Gotta admit, I also wouldn't believe in God if he made me with that face

>>522059338
if atheism is true, then nothing is actually 'horrifying,' your emotional reaction is just chemicals in your skull and you have no logical basis to call the universe 'bad' or 'tragic'
or you secretly know the universe really is horrifying on an objective level, which means your moral intuition is pointing straight toward a transcendent standard that atheism can't ground.

you can't have it both ways.
either bite the bullet and admit that under your worldview, a child dying of leukemia is no more 'horrifying' than a raindrop hitting the ground, or admit that your persistent moral outrage is excellent evidence that God exists and you're suppressing it because you don't like the implications.

>>522059629
There could be a god that likes seeing children die of leukemia.

>>522059704
Death is a mercy for those with illness.

>>522059338
> The way you describe it, it makes it sound like the more logical answer is that god is incompetent and can't create anything better than the world that we're in.
You simply based that on nothing and I have no idea how you got that from what I said. You simply want to say it because you’re a bitter person. God isn’t incompetent because somehow you’re still breathing. Even if God was “incompetent” it wouldn’t matter and you’d have no concept of it because He’d still be God and you’re just a man and you would not know anything else other than your “incompetent imperfection”. Face it child, you are kicking and screaming at God like a child with their parents. Good night and grow up.

>>522059875
There's no reason to get upset about it. You can still believe that god likes seeing children die of leukemia if that's what you want to believe.

>>522055655
>here is all the christian racists and anti semites!!!
Antisemitic is a made up word, it’s linguistic warfare. Ashkenazis are Aryan, not Semitic.
I don’t hate Semites, I don’t hate Jews. I hate Judaism (the religion of the Torah). It goes against life and I want to eradicate it, Christianity and Islam just fall into the category.
I don’t care if Christians start saying nigger and kike, and by the way, the vast majority don’t.

>>522059777
God gave them the illness.

>>522059704
Why is your mind so perverted that you imagine God taking pleasure in the suffering of his children? What is actually wrong with you? I didn’t always believe in God but I never ascribed to Him some evil like that which is within yourself. You are a sick person. Ask for God’s help. It is simply disgraceful to go around with a base imagination pretending that you’re being tortured by God on purpose.

>>522058866
You are definitely brown.
>>522059039
Burn it then.
>>522059629
At the very best, you're simply non-White and using christianity as a vehicle to infiltrate White society, which ends now.

>>522059704
no, that's irrelevant.

you didn't say a 'a god' could exist who enjoys leukenia.
you said the non-existence of God is what you find horrifying because the universe we actually have is horrifying.
if some god exists and likes those things, then the universe is exactly as that god intends it to be, and nothing would be horrifying or tragic about it because it would be functioning perfectly according to the ultimate purpose.

so you're back to the same contradiction.

if no god exists --> leukemia is just physics, neither good nor bad, nor horrifying
if an evil god exists --> leukemia is intended and therefore not horrifying either

the only worldview in which childhood leukemia is genuinely, objectively horrifying (a cosmic scandal, a tragedy that should not be) is one in which a good omnipotent God exists and this present world is broken and fallen.
you keep smuggling in theistic moral realism while explicitly rejecting the only foundation that makes it coherent.

>>522059994
Then why did god make the children ill in the first place?

>>522055393
That’s a Jew therefore his opinion is irrelevant

>>522059988
God can gave them Hell as well by not killing them with Death, but they still die, and that's Mercy.

>>522060007
>At the very best, you're simply non-White
kind of embarrassing you're having to dodge and deflect and resort to ad homs instead of answering simple questions from someone you think is a subhuman.

>>522059957
You’re only going to land yourself in a world of sorrow by performing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You can disbelieve in God but not you are ascribing malice and evil to something you don’t even believe exists. It’s not enough for you to dismiss its reality, you also want to destroy the concept behind it entirely. You can’t just stop at saying “this is irrelevant because it’s not real”, you have a strong desire for yourself and others to hate and destroy God. You want to “win” against a God you don’t even believe exists. Blasphemy of the Holy Sporit is the unforgivable sin. Don’t throw away your soul for a 4chan thread.

>>522060053
Agreed, burn the christian bible (jews wrote it.)
>>522060115
There's that shit skin niggerbabble again. I know you can't feel shame, but this severe second hand embarrassment. Culling you would be mercy.

>>522060047
Illness is an unpleasant but necessary side effect of our body’s natural protection system. I’m not going to go into it more than that, because you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit and that is your only purpose here. You’re not interested in learning anything.

>>522060123
>>522060205
The problem of evil has been around for way longer than 4chan has existed. If god exists, he either likes seeing humans suffer or he can't do anything about it. He's the one that created all the suffering in the world, including when you die of some disease and you're on your deathbed wondering why god would make his good little disciple suffer.

>>522060298
I wish for all the anti-christ to have an endless life as a cripple.

>>522060298
Just had a thought, if god knows and creates everything: god creates child porn and watches it.

>>522060201
>There's that shit skin niggerbabble again.
if i prove i'm a white man with blue eyes and centralized heterochromia, would you handwrite (with your mouse) a 150 word apology letter in mspaint and post it on your honor as a man of science?

>>522055393
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, Jesus never existed, and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!

>>522060371
I don't use windows, niggerfaggot. Keep stacking L's.

>>522055393
We don't understand consciousness because we can't get past jerking off our dicks yet we are absolutely sure that there is no God. Agnosticism is the only reasonable belief.

>>522055393
Why does he look so... ughh, jewish? Just paste a little hat on and you got yourself something out of a synagogue.

>>522060053
Is Jesus Christ’s opinion relevant?

HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, Jesus never existed, and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity.

>>522060333
Just like Jesus hated people and crippled them, right?
>>522060348
If god is real, he creates the desire of wanting to see children be abused in humanity, as morally wrong as it is to those of us who aren't religious.

>>522060544
Nah. This is personal, I want to see you suffer for the sin of blaspheming against the Almighty One.

>>522060658
Meds

>>522060658
Just like Jesus wanted others who were different from him to suffer, right?

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>>522055393
>try and change my reddit atheist audience's opinion guys
>protip: you cant

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WEAK

>>522060691
If I know your location, I will go and cripple your entire family myself. Keep lurking in the Shadow you little pleb.

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COWARD

>>522060760
More meds. Jesus never existed.

>>522060298
>The problem of evil has been around for way longer than 4chan has existed.
the consensus of atheist scholarship admits the intellectual formulations of the problem of evil don't work and only the much weaker evidentiary and emotional versions are still in play.

>>522060790
Bold word coming from a broken chat bot.

>>522060830
More meds

>>522060849
All anti-christ will go to Hell.

>>522060795
You're the one who said god enjoys seeing children die of leukemia. Do you have an answer as to why he likes seeing children die, or no?

>>522060870
Not a real place

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>>522060902
Then I will invent it, and make it real. All anti-christ will go to Hell.

HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, Jesus never existed, and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!!

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>>522060979
There is no place you can hide in my world.

>>522060898
>You're the one who said god enjoys seeing children die of leukemia.
can you show me where i ever said this?

>>522061016
coward
>>522060728
>>522060766

>>522061184
Frankly speaking. There is nothing you can do that can scared me.

>>522061070
>a child dying of leukemia is no more 'horrifying' than a raindrop hitting the ground, admit that your persistent moral outrage is excellent evidence that God exists and you're suppressing it because you don't like the implications.

So I'm asking you why god gives children leukemia and then likes seeing children die of that leukemia afterwards. Can you answer the question or no?

>>522056379
Link or it didn't happen.

>>522060979
No, you will face consequences for your actions.

>>522061276
weird, i don't see where i said God 'enjoys' or 'likes' children dying of leukemia in the text you quoted.

my point was that you kept calling the universe 'horrifying' while simultaneously insisting no God exists (or that any god who does exist must be evil/incompetent).
you're the one who can't live with the implications of your own worldview, so now you're trying to make this my problem of evil instead of your problem of good.

i don't have to explain leukemia until you first explain why, on atheism, leukemia is bad or horrifying at all instead of just another tuesday for indifferent stardust.
until you c an ground objective horror without stealing it from theism, your question is meaningless.
stop deflecting.

>>522061433
With whom? The non existent sky fairy? KEK

>>522061482
It's bad when children die. I know you don't feel that way, but a lot of people do. You don't need religion to feel that way.

If you're not sure the Bible is the word of God watch: youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI

1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

How to know you're saved: youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M

1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Rom 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God by receiving Christ? Your own righteousness can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sin. Rom 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him and believe He atoned for your sins on the cross.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>522056393
So, from where it came from? Who created the information coded in the DNA? Millions of years of random mutations for no reason at all?

>>522061542
You're so fucked you're in denial. Accept your punishment and move on.

>God is something that can be not real
low IQ

>>522061577
https://truthischrist.com/seven/

youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hI

God has given us a book without error, inconsistency or contradiction.

The Bible is unlike all other ‘sacred books’ in that it bases its ‘authenticity’ and ‘authority’ on prophecy. All other ‘sacred books’ contain no predictions as to the future. If their authors had attempted to foretell future events, their non-fulfillment would discredit their writings and they would be classed as liars and fraudsters. Fulfilled prophecy is stronger evidence for the inspiration and ‘authenticity’ of the Scriptures than miracles. Prophecy is not a ‘haphazard guess,’ nor a ‘probability’ made up on uncertain data, prophecy is history written in advance. Two-thirds of the Scriptures are prophetic, either in type, symbol, or direct statement; and more than one-half of the OT prophecies, and nearly all of the NT, points to events that are future. It was because the
religious leaders of Christ’s day were not students of the prophetic Scriptures that they failed to recognize Him when He came.

For example: The Bible passage Job 26:7 is often cited as evidence of scientific foreknowledge, stating, "He hangs the earth on nothing". At a time when many cultures believed the earth was supported by animals or stood on a foundation, this verse describes the earth as suspended in empty space. The Bible has many many science facts that scientists only found out thousands of years later.

There were many specific predictions made by the OT prophets regarding the betrayal, trial, death and burial of the Lord Jesus. These were uttered by different prophets during the period from 1000 BC to 500 BC, yet they were all literally fulfilled in 24 hours in one person.

The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.

He fulfilled at least 351.

>>522061552
exactly.
you just asserted 'it's bad when children die' as an objective, self-evident fact, not 'i personally dislike it' or 'evolution wired me to feel sad.'
that's theistic moral realism without the theism.

you're still stealing capital from God while denying the vault exists.
on your actual worldview (blind particles, no purpose, no transcendent good), 'bad' is just a noise humans make when something lowers their inclusive fitness. it has no more cosmic weight than a dog barking at thunder, yet you keep talking like child leukemia is a real outrage against reality.
that's the point you've been running from post after post.

>>522061797
This is why I keep ignoring you. You're not as clever as you think you are. My morality can exist outside of a god existing. And if god does exist, he gives the children the incurable diseases and he does nothing while they die, even ignoring the children's prayers in the meantime. So god, if she exists, is evil. Either that or she literally CANNOT create a world without children dying of leukemia. I know you don't care because you think it's god's will that children suffer and die.

>jewboi says god isn't real
YAWN

>>522062071
you have exactly three logically possible positions, you keep jumping between them because none of them work.

1: No God --> child leukemia is not evil, not tragic, not horrifying, just physics (you refuse to accept this)
2: Eeeeevil God --> child leukemia is exactly what God wants --> again, not evil, not tragic, not horrifying. it's a fulfillment of divine purpose (you refuse to accept this)
3: good, omnipotent God + child leukemia looks horrifying --> therefore this world is broken/fallen and will be set right. (you refuse to accept this because you don't like the Boss)

every time you call leukemia 'bad,' 'evil,' or 'horrifying' you're forced into door #3, while screaming 'i refuse door #3!'
that's why you have to keep ignoring me, i'm just holding up the mirror to your contradiction.

>>522062287
Your position is that desert shit skin schizophrenics created morality, which is obviously false as they rape and mutilate their offspring.

GG shit skin.

>>522062287
No all three of those are wrong. You're the one being disingenuous.
1. If there's no god, child leukemia is evil.
2. If god is evil, child leukemia is evil.
3. If god is incompetent, child leukemia is evil.
4. If god exists, she can't be good.

I'll say my morality comes from evolution if it really means that much to you.

>>522062355
>Your position is that [the truth value of moral claims were created in time rather than existing necessarily and timelessly even before creation regardless of when they were revealed]
it's not though.

>>522055393
>debate
don't care
my way or the highway
doesn't matter if i'm wrong or right in your eyes

Most newfags here sound like chickens when they talk religion
>Cuck..cuckcuck...cuck...
Sad how far this place has fallen.

>>522062513
If you're a christian, and worship the magical circumcised zombie rabbi, then yes, your morality comes from child rapists mutilator schizophrenic shit skins from the desert.

Say fuck christ if not.

GG.

>>522062465
>if there's no god, child leukemia is evil
on atheism, there is no 'evil,' full stop.
there is no normative realm, no moral properties, no 'good' or 'evil' floating around in the universe next to quarks and leptons.
there are only atoms, void, and whatever feelings natural selection happened to give some meat robots.

when you say 'child leukemia is evil' under atheism, you are literally making the exact same category error as saying 'child leukemia is odd-numbered' or 'child leukemia is blasphemous.'
evil is not a natural kind.
it only exists if a personal, holy, good God exists against whom it is a rebellion.
you can't even state your own positions for five seconds without smuggling in the Christian world framework you claim to reject.

The jews killed Jesus
The jews are Christ-Killers
The jews are of the devil.
Jesus is the only way to the Kingdom of God
There is no debate.

>>522062714
So your position is I actually am a christian, I just don't realize it? LMAO. Shouldn't you be in church?

>>522062752
Actually , in the fictional story the Romans killed a subversive circumcised jewish rabbi by nailing that faggot to a cross (based!)

>>522062752
What would you say if you died, went to heaven and Muhammad was there and asks you why you didn't pray to Mecca five times a day?

>>522062878
no,
my position is that you're a moral parasite.
you loudly reject Christianity but can't open your mouth for ten seconds without living on borrowed Christian assumptions about good and evil.

>>522063008
Ancient Greeks and Romans believed in good and evil long before Christianity was invented.

>>522063008
>there is no morality before christianity

You are the blackest, dumbest, gorilla nigger faggot, christ brained retard.

>>522063070
to be fair they were definitely not atheists.

>The jews killed Jesus
>The jews are Christ-Killers
>The jews are of the devil.
>Jesus is the only way to the Kingdom of God

Also, There is no debate.
The truth and facts cannot be changed.
Jesus Fulfilled the OT.
Circumcision is not necessary for salvation

>>522063135
A minority of them were, but he's specifically using the word Christian.

>>522055852
He enjoys making you suffer because you’re an annoying weak faggot.

>>522063161
Based Romans killed that circumcised jewish rabbi shit skin. The fictional character taught the Torah in synagogues to his fellow jews.

You do know what fulfillment is, right? It means to do it, lol

>>522063277
Just like Jesus called people who disagreed with him annoying weak faggots, right?

>>522063070
they also believed good and evil were grounded in the divine order of the cosmos (plato's form of the good, stoic logos, etc)
they didn't think moral properties were just floating in a universe of blind atoms any more than Christians do.
you're stealing from theism, only now it's pagan theism instead of Christian theism.
same contradiction, different label.

>>522063126
sweetie...
we're discussing moral ontology, not moral epistemology.
no one said pre-Christian people were moral nihilist, what's being said is that they didn't (and couldn't) ground objective good and evil in blind matter + time + chance.
they grounded it in the divine, just like every other non-nihilist civilization in history.

>>522063345
What would you say if you died, went to heaven and Muhammad was there and asked why you didn't pray to Mecca five times a day?

>>522063212
it just seems like the point is not about Christianity or not, but where a peoples morality was drawn from and grounded in. the greeks and romans were a deeply religious bunch with all kinds of gods, and that is the higher, ultimate, authority where their morality derived from.

>>522055393
explain life.

you can't. you literally don't know how it happened, can't replicate it, can't extend it indefinitely, only push debate fags who also do not know. yet you claim to understand how this all works better than the next guy.

fuck off.

>>522063345
You really are a nigger :/

When I invent a way to hang niggers over the Internet I'm going to be crowned king of the universe.

so lets add it all together
facts and truths
which aren't up for debate

>The jews killed Jesus
>The jews are Christ-Killers
>The jews are of the devil. synagogue of Satan
>Jesus is the only way to the Kingdom of God
>Jesus Fulfilled the OT.
>Circumcision is not necessary for salvation
>For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus

>>522063503
Also Lets add
>The Romans found Jesus innocent.

>>522055393
underage

>>522063623
A circumcised jewish rabbi shit skin subverting ancestral faiths with desert shit skin schizophrenia based on raping and mutilating children?

Hahahah. FUCK christ. White fucking power, nigger lover.

so lets add it together

>When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a [c]tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this [d]just Person. You see to it.”
>The Romans found Jesus innocent.
>The jews killed Jesus
>The jews are Christ-Killers
>The jews are of the devil. synagogue of Satan
>Jesus is the only way to the Kingdom of God
>Jesus Fulfilled the OT.
>Circumcision is not necessary for salvation
>For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus

>>522063412
i'd say
>sir, with respect, you were a 7th-century caravan robber who married a 9 year old and claimed the angel jibril (aka dihya al-khalbi) gave you the final revelation as he was choking you in a cave. i followed the evidence to the empty tomb, the fulfilled messianic prophecies, and the historical resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth instead. your quran said that the tawrat zabor and injil were the inspired authoritative preserved word of God anyway, and that Christians and jews should follow them to the letter or else risk being the defiantly disobedient.
then i'd ask prophet isa (pbuh)
>why did you let your apostles die proclaiming your resurrection of islam was true?

your turn, what will you say when you die and discover objective evil actually did have a transcendent ground after all, and you've spent your life mocking Him?

>>522057523
Yes, boring and stale. It's that time where they actually need to amount to something now.

>>522063744
Literally never even existed, an extremely homosexual semitic fairytale.

>>522057985
kek shitter

>>522063497
>You really are a nigger :/
and yet, you have no coherent rebuttal to my argumentation.

>>522063753
I would do the same as you, which is explain that I didn't see any evidence that god exists. So the follow up question is, what should Muhammed's punishment be towards us for not believing that the Qu'ran is the word of god?

>>522063744
Not only did the Romans find Jesus innocent once
BUT THREE TIMES

>>522063753
I would tell him he's a faggot child raping mutilator pedophile.

>>522057256
Agree, the idea of God being real is valid. The idea of God being real via multiple cuck books that all of these subhuman faggots will die and fight over is the problem. Your Jew on a stick or Desert Bandit Pedo larp isnt the truth. It's downright and utterly retarded to think it is. This doesn't mean a God can't be there. It mean humans are retarded

It's like midwits lack nuance and can only subscribe to absolutes. Both Atheists and Retarded book cucks.

>>522063898
>which is explain that I didn't see any evidence that god exists
do you see this following syllogism?

p1: if atheism is true, then nothing is inherently good or bad
p2: child leukemia is bad
c: therefore, atheism is false

>>522063844
Brown.
>>522063865
You're not intelligent enough for basic logic, so the only logical thing is to mock you.

>>522055393
LET ME LISTEN TO THIS INBRED BROCCOLI HEAD KIKE ABOUT MORE BELIEFS ITS JUST LIKE CHURCH!!!!

>>522064061
God is the Lord. Get it together already.

>>522064065
We're in this together, brother. We both thought that the Qu'ran was bullshit while we were alive, we got to heaven and found out Muhammad is god, what's going to happen to us then?

>>522064066
hey kike. Let the whole world know. That's who you are, kike.

>>522064155
Always some Christcuck double digit faggot with empty sentences. Mohammed has just as much claim to your truth, lmao. Is Islam real?

>>522064167
>ignores my argument
i know with certainty the muslim narrative is false, i don't hide behind pussy agnosticism.
the islamic dilemma destroys islam.

>>522064065
Are you retarded? If the God of the cuckbooks isn't exactly like it is. That doesn't mean Child Leukemia isn't bad. Dumb double digit midwit.

>>522064065
>all powerful jew god creates everything
>child rape exists
>you worship a child rapist creator

You will be killed.

>>522064213
>worship jew or you're a jew
Please, please get some new fucking material.

>>522064315
LOL. So if you died, went to heaven and Muhammad was there asking you why you didn't pray to Mecca five times a day you would just yell "WRONG!" LMAO.

>>522064315
No you hide behind Pussy monotheism that does genital mutilation and is taught and spread by kikes. Lmao. When has that ever gone wrong. Absolute retard

>>522064277
Nah, you cannot possibly be trusted with a brain. You eating animals is animal murder. Actually, just do what ChatGPT says. It's better for you. You know what I'm trying to say. Go back if you want to be spoofed, you arrogant redditor

>>522064441
I run laps around you mentally. Let's be honest here. You're an eternal cuck without critical thinking ability. Go worship your Jew on a stick while Islam dominates you.

>When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a [c]tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this [d]just Person. You see to it.”
Matthew 27:24
>The Romans found Jesus innocent., Three times
Matthew 27:24; Luke 23:4, 13-16, 22; John 19:6
>The jews killed Jesus
>The jews are Christ-Killers
>The jews are of the devil. synagogue of Satan
John 8:44
>Jesus is the only way to the Kingdom of God
John 14:6
>Jesus Fulfilled the OT.
Matthew 5:17
John 19:28-3
>Circumcision is not necessary for salvation
Galatians 5:2-6
>For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
1 Timothy 2:5

>>522061255
We atheist have no objective morality from a man who said to turn the other cheek when a man strikes you. You are the one that should be afraid.

>>522064441
While we're at it. Look down to your Penis. Is it cut. But honest and proud here, is it?

>>522064521
semitic filth.

>>522064498
What flag is this? You're not smart and this is now your reputation. For your impotence, click the loaded gun to your father's head and feel the satisfaction. 3…2…1… GO!

>>522055393
I've stumbled on his lives a couple of times while doomscrolling TikTok. He's just a re-skinned early YouTube / Reddit r/Atheist fedora-tipper for Gen Alpha kids. He's as insufferable as Dean Withers, Parker, et al. It's like they're made in an underground lab

>>522064405
you're missing my point.
your hypothetical isn't worth entertaining because i have a defeater for islam i can articulate.
you have yet to provide a defeater for the Christian worldview, and in fact, have stated over and over in this thread you affirm evidence that bolsters it (the ontological existence of good and bad)

>>522064537
yes and no btw hahahahaha let's see you kill yourself or whoever you associate with where you are an example for them after they see you act after this

>>522064360
>If the God of the cuckbooks isn't exactly like it is.
i can't understand your garbled english and don't feel like juggling two conversations.

>>522064723
Like I said, there could be a god who is sadistic, there could be a god who's incompetent, but there's no way in hell that the bible is real. All you have to do is read it (Which I have) to discover that it's just a collection of jewish fables. Anyone who reads it with an open mind will see that. My favorite book of the bible is Ecclesiastes because it stole heavily from Greek stoicism.

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>>522055393
>lol, the bible is probably wrong but you choose to believe it because unlike me, you have reproduced succesfully and you want you family to have fewer mental illnesses than liberals have

>>522055393
>debating fedorafags who want to be their own god
Nope, too Jewish for me

>>522064900
I'm an atheist and I'm willing to entertain the fact that people need the myth.

>>522055393
This is 100% a d&c jew. Why is this thread even still up?

>>522064917
no debate, just set the tone. These frauds don't hold water, bastards.

>>522064845
still the same 2 dead options.

sadistic god --> child leukemia is exactly what he wants --> not evil
incompetent god --> child leukemia is the best he can manage --> not evil

in both cases your judgment that 'sadistic' and 'incompetent' are bad things to be is still parasitic on an objective standard of goodness that neither atheism can't ground.
you keep pronouncing cosmic moral verdicts while insisting the cosmic moral lawgiver doesn't exist.

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>>522055393
God is real and it's not what you expect to be, he is not separated being sitting in an upper realm judging and punishing random niggas, God is everything you see and he is inside you, God sees and feels through you.

>>522055393
>Ian has never lost a debate

Who the fuck is Ian?

>>522055393
the totality of all things which are true is the truth, any set of information that contains anything that is not true can not be called truth and neither can a subset which only contains the truth but not all of the truth. Therefore there is only one dataset which can be called the truth.

The truthful solution to any problem is always the least complicatedof all proposed solutions which involve all of the necessary data regarding said problem. Therefore fortune and misfortune being the product of luck and compounded statistical improbability is fallacious. Luck, as a concept, is afterall nothing more than a complicated denial, it describes an unseen, immeasurable, force only in order to deny that there exists unseen immeasurable force. Only through dishonesty does logic lead away from the conclusion that their is a God.

Reason, likewise, is dishonestly wielded to argue against God. How is it that a man who claims to be reasonable and argues using reason can ignore that everything has a reason and nothing exists without reason? Everything in existence and every occurence which happens has a reason, nothing, ever, has "just happened" entirely on its own. And if everything has its reason then the culmination of all reason is God. And if nothing has ever happened on its own then if something did happen on its own that too would be God.

The only rebuttal to any of this is "nuh uh". Get fucked.

>>522055655
its not racism, its calling good good and evil evil, something which has been turned inside out over the past several decades.

>>522060467
His opinion on jews as the synagogue of Satan? Absolutely relevant

>>522065175
He beat Juden peterstein in a debate. Skip exactly an hour into this video

https://youtu.be/Pwk5MPE_6zE?si

notice how often in this thread atheists have done this:

bailey:
>god does not exist
>god is a fairy tale
>god is fiction
>only retards would believe in a god
motte:
>uhhh actually i merely lack belief in a gods, i don't need to provide justification

you should just shut up and be quiet if you don't actually have a dog in the race.

>>522063338
Jesus was no fan of men who like to pretend they’re women. You are of your father the devil.

>>522065546
I don't pretend to be a woman and I think men and women who transition are batshit insane.

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>>522055393
He literally has the jewish mocking satanic face.

Someone post this face please, it is like a mask, I'm not finding it.

even if God didn't exist, it would still be better if people believed in him instead of being atheists
atheist societies have nothing to live for, so they die out

>>522065979
Then start acting like a man instead of a weak sniveling little faggot.

>>522065377

There has to be someone better than this hand gesturing faggot for you guys to have champion such an obvious conclusion.

>>522066057
By believing in jewish fables? LMAO.

>>522065979
>I think men and women who transition are batshit insane.
why?
under atheism, biological sex is just an arbitrary cluster of traits natural selection happened to produce.
there's no teleology, no "correct" form for a human body.
identity is whatever the brain says it is.

if someone's brain says "i am a woman" and they rearrange the meat to match, they're just doing the most honest thing possible under materialism.
calling them 'insane' only makes sense if you believe human bodies have a real, objective, normative design (you're smuggling in theism again.)

so which is it, are they malfunctioning relative to a real created order, or are you just admitting you have an ick reaciton you can't justify under your own philosophy?

>>522065144
>the moral law giver
It’s us, and it’s based around the behaviors that lead to a healthier, more prosperous society. That is what morality is based on. You can’t have a civilization based on everybody freely killing each other, and all ones that did parishes. Those civilizations had their own gods too. People made all the social rules around the Bible. To act like god exists, then know that he made people and everything, and then to know that he made all the stupid, arbitrary, and pointless rules espoused by all religions is self delusion and protection of culture and ego. By any religious standard, when you believe in it, you in turn open yourself up to a lot of contradiction. Any standard made for belief from religion can be applied to literally anything created over time. Basically, you cannot prove your entity did something over any other entity. You cannot prove god was not created by leprechauns, and that morals were originally given to humans by Poseidon, and that god destroyed Poseidon and took credit for his work. Any standard for belief in god can be applied to Santa Claus. You want to say god exists? Fine. But that’s as far as it goes. Anything else beyond your personal relationship with god is a system of social control made by humans for humans. People wrote the Bible, they wrote the lore, they made the stories. There was no holy possession, or anything of the sort. Miracles are cultural propaganda that have never been confirmed by any objective standard of measurement.

>>522066141
By not crying like a bitch about how you’re “suffering.”

>When Pilate saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it.”
Matthew 27:24
>The Romans found Jesus innocent., Three times
Matthew 27:24; Luke 23:4, 13-16, 22; John 19:6
>The jews killed Jesus
>The jews are Christ-Killers
>The jews are of the devil. synagogue of Satan
John 8:44
>Jesus is the only way to the Kingdom of God
John 14:6
>Jesus Fulfilled the OT.
Matthew 5:17
John 19:28-3
>Circumcision is not necessary for salvation
Galatians 5:2-6
>For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
1 Timothy 2:5
>Jesus called the jews hypocrites and snakes.
Matthew 23:13-39
>Jesus cast out the jew merchants from the temple, whipping them.
John 2:13-25

>>522065377
He sounds like an effeminate faggot and his arguments are retarded. It's just the typical gaytheist tropes hand wringing and pearl clutching about "muh Bible has bad stuff in it". Literally unwatchable cringe

>>522066191
correct me if i mispresent your argument, but it seems you're saying
>morality is whatever behaviors make society 'healthier and more prosperous'
>'healthier and more prosperous' is defined by... whatever the majority (or the strongest) says it is
>therefore, rape is only wrong because most societies vote 'no' this decade
>if the nazis had won and bred a thousand year reich of happy prosperous jew free blond supermen, the holocaust would have been morally good
which is essentially admitting that atheism implies moral anti-realism and might-makes-right.
also, the vast overwhelming majority of people think atheism is bad for society, so shouldn't you stop posting?

>>522061583
Lack of an explanation is still better than just hrowing your hands in the air
cuting a piece of your dick
and yelling
MAGIC DID IT

>>522067207
how would you define "magic?"
something with supernatural origins?
if we define supernatural as something that transcends (super) the natural world (natural, space/time) then wouldn't what have created the natural world logically have to be something supernatural in that its existence would be logically prior to the existence of space/time?

>>522067381
>then wouldn't what have created the natural world
No
the logical conclusion would be that there has always been just nature and there was no "before" time since that doesn't make any sense

>>522063325
So heckin based, bro. Jews killed Christ and then Romans went on to suck their dick and now we're left with those same Jews. We won!

>>522067626
no.
an actually infinite past is metaphysically impossible.
you can't traverse an infinite number of moments to arrive at 'now'
if there were an infinite number of yesterdays, today could never be reached, just like you can never finish counting to zero from negative infinity.
every philosopher from aristotle to craig who has examined it agrees that an infinite temporal regress of events is incoherent.
that's why even secular cosmologists reject an eternal past and accept a finite universe with a beginning.

so the universe began to exist, everything that begins to exist has a cause, the cause of space/time matter and energy cannot itself be made of space/time matter or energy as it would causally (not temporally) precede it.

>>522066173
Lol this jew loving piece of shit is chimping out again while pretending his ideology isn't just the personal preferences of bronze age sandniggers.

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>>522055393
>2016
>tourist
Continue your seethe.
It's all you'll ever have.

>>522055393
Your brain isn't real imbecile

>>522068095
always =/= infinite
there was no before spacetime because there would be no way of even measuring something like that

>>522068095
>an actually infinite past is metaphysically impossible
Your bible says god had no beginning, retard.

>>522068577
maybe there is a language barrier here.
are you agreeing with me that space/time came into existence at a fixed point in the past, and that there is no 'before' in a temporal sense?

if so, either
>the universe popped into being uncaused (a violation of the principle of sufficient reason)
>the cause would have to have existed causally (not temporally) prior to the effect, which is space/time (nature) and therefore would necessarily have to be supernatural.
pick one.
>>522069009
God isn't a series of temporal events, God is timeless before the creation of time.

>>522069240
>principle of sufficient reason
a philosophical concept we give to physical objetcs
Space/time for all we know could simply have always existed but exists for a finite period of time 13,8 billion years
At the end if there is a "cause" required it sure as shit never made it known to us it does exist
unless you are a schizo in a desert

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>>522065984
Agreed Brazilbro, it was the first thing i noticed and I cant take him seriously. Slap on having only 50k subs, having to shill himself on /pol/ and im out. It's a recycle of the 2010s smugger than thou atheism+ bs.

He'll argue that all religions are delusional and then will fight white Christians tooth and nail to import 6,000,000 muslims into his country. The absolute state of atheism.

>>522069681
>physical objetcs
>space
>time
bro...

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>>522065984
Can somebody post, please?

It's something like picrel

>>522069240
>argument immediately collapses on its own contradictions
Kek. "Before" is temporal. You're saying a timeless being created the universe and time in temporal succession. If the cause is timeless, the effect cannot be temporal.

>>522069681
Do you believe the universe is expanding? If so, what is it expanding into? More space is constantly being created out of nothing, in other words "magic."

>>522069681
i used to be really into art.
what's more difficult than learning to draw is unlearning bad practices that make your art ugly.
as the slovenian gentleman pointed out, your thinking is hideous.
you have a lot garbage in your head you need to empty out.
start from literally nothing like descartes did.
what i'd presented to you was a true dichotomy, there's no 3rd option.

>>522070014
>Kek. "Before" is temporal.
not always.
the fish is before the the duck in this sentence.
>You're saying a timeless being created the universe and time in temporal succession
no, causally.

>>522055393
Real or not. Who cares.

>>522055393
Ian is a faggot. So is OP.

>>522055393
If they're here from 2016, they're not tourists. They're subversives and infiltrators. Hijackers.

>>522070262
>Do you believe the universe is expanding?
No need to "believe" in anything
Light from sars in our galaxy shows consisten specral lines
Light that is emmited by an object moving towards you is shifted to the blue spectrum and away o the red
ergo Universe is expanding
>what is it expanding into?
There is a decent explanation as to why there isn't a center to the expansion
Galaxies are dots on a baloon and he baloon is expanding
you basically have a 2D object he surface of the baloon expanding into 3D space
similarry you could think of our 3D space expanding by sretching into 4D

>>522070405
>your thinking is hideous
whaaa you don't believe in magic
as a wise poet Justin Timberlake once said
cry me a nigger

>>522071783
our entire exchange was me pointing out that you're the one with magically thinking whereas appealing to a timeless creator of space/time is logical.
if universes can pop out of nothing uncaused, why can't a unicorn fly out of your butt?

>>522071962
You obviously blew off going to church today. Make sure you pray for forgiveness.

>>522055393
Scratch an atheist and he bleeds pure seethe
what's it to you, anon? The movement not big enough and the race traitors to be purged?

>>522072095
>ignores my arguments
>moralizes at me from a worldview that entails moral nihilism
oof oof oof

>>522055393
1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics literally prove God's existence.

>>522071962
>you're the one with magically thinking
says the guy who believes in actuall magic
no projection like christian projection
spoiler allert we are not the same
I don't believe in nonsense

>>522072742
if universes can magically pop into existence uncaused out of nothing, why can't a unicorn fly out of your butt?

>>522061016
It's not 700 AD. Jewish coercion tactics don't work anymore. You have to actually make a compelling argument for your Jewish fantasies.

>>522073073
you're the one who believes in creation ex nihilo and not only that you believe it is on demand
so go on "pray" for something to happen
he conjuror you believe in should be able to do it right?

>>522073073
you believe in a sky fairy who gives you paradise after you die while kids get cancer, why couldn't we be born in paradise first and need a test of despair? He would have no reason to test us, the entire idea is stupid

>>522071701
Right, so we agree that it is expanding which leaves the problem of what it is expanding into. Cosmology totally hand waves this away because it's impossible to explain with any of the models. They just presume what's going on in our observable region continues to hold beyond that. Regardless of how one might conceptualize the boundary problem, it requires magic, e.g.:
1) It's infinite - inherently a magic concept.
2) It's expanding into nothing - creation of new space, magical concept
3) It's expanding within our visible range and outside that range the expansion hits a wall so to speak - least magical of the bunch, but we'll never know what's beyond the observable range.

>https://nasaspacenews.com/2025/10/is-the-universe-infinite-new-evidence-challenges-our-cosmic-understanding/
Observe how articles like this skirts around these topics without acknowledging that the equivalent of magic is required for our understanding of the universe to hold. This is why cosmologists tend to eventually start believing in god.

Dots on the surface of the balloon is a shit analogy btw, because they say the universe is flat, i.e., no curvature, so not a surface of a sphere. And the 4th dimension is time, not a physical property. You don't "stretch" into 4D.

>>522056393
oh just the matter of the complexity in every molecule and earths position in a perfect goldilocks position and moons perfect positioning as if all by design and then science wondering how on earth complex intelligent life like humans could evolve in such a short period and that its very likely that we are in fact the only intelligent species in the whole universe that evolved with such precision in a precise location thats all just perfect. Start with human eye and explain how that just evolved from single cell over such a short span then go and explain away the rest of the synchronicity with a better answer than intelligent design by a higher power ....i'll wait

>>522073571
more muh god of the gaps
more coping
face it you believe on he basis of faith
nothing more

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>>522073637
>moons perfect positioning
you are one of hose retards who believes orbits are perfect circles instead of elipses aren't you
spoiler allert the angular size of the moon varies

>>522073330
>uhh i would've done things differently if i were god
armchair psychology is not an argument.
also,
>sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy sky daddy

>>522073720
>seething concession
I am agnostic, faggot.

>>522073276
>you're the one who believes in creation ex nihilo
we both do.
but in mine there's a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat, and you just see a rabbit magically materializing itself out of nothing.

>>522074265
sky fairy, buddy. I call it your stupid sky fairy you pretend to care about because your wife would leave you and take the kids since you have no spine. You have no wit if you couldn't convince your fleshhole to accept evil. Yes I am completely affably evil not faux affably evil because this is fucking 4chan

sodomy nonsense
Christ is King

>>522074597
i'm not your buddy, pal.