European version of Trumps peace plan was just released by Reutershttps://www.reuters.com/business/finance/full-text-european-counter-proposal-us-ukraine-peace-plan-2025-11-23/I compared it with original US-American version.Main differences (core 6):Territory: US plan forces Ukraine to cede Crimea/Donbas de facto and freeze Kherson-Zaporizhzhia lines; European version deletes all explicit cessions, starts future talks only from current Line of Contact.NATO expansion & membership: US demands constitutional ban on Ukraine joining NATO + no further NATO enlargement; European plan deletes both, leaves membership to “NATO consensus” (open door preserved).Ukrainian army size: US caps it at 600 000 troops; Europeans raise to 800 000 (closer to current wartime strength).Frozen Russian assets: US takes $100B+ for reconstruction with 50 % profits to America and future US-Russia fund; Europeans keep all assets frozen until Russia fully compensates Ukraine.NATO troops in Ukraine: US bans them permanently; Europeans allow temporary/non-permanent deployments.No “l"mutual restraint" clause: Europeans delete US point 3 that equated Russian non-invasion with NATO non-expansion.Everything else stays the same.For Bolanda changes are negligible: the plans point 9, stationing NATO/European jets in Poland as a tripwire, remains unchanged, signaling continued effort to turn Bolanda into expendable buffer zone and future battlefield despite Warsaws surprise at its unconsulted inclusion (per PM Tusk). xD
Thats a comparison of American with European version of the peace plan from perspective of Russia:LESS acceptable for Russia:- No explicit territorial concessions (Crimea/Donbas recognition deleted).- NATO door left open (no ban on Ukraine membership or further enlargement).- Higher Ukrainian army cap (800 k vs 600 k).- All frozen assets stay blocked until Russia pays full reparations (no US-Russia joint fund).- Temporary NATO troops possible in Ukraine.AS acceptable or MORE acceptable:- Immediate ceasefire and demilitarised zones along current lines (de-facto freeze Russia keeps).- Sanctions lifted progressively.- Long-term US-Russia economic pact (energy, AI, Arctic) preserved.- Russia invited back to G8.- Non-aggression pact and nuclear treaty extensions unchanged.- Zaporizhzhia 50/50 power split intact.Net: Moscow loses part of big territorial/legal wins it wanted from the US draft but keeps the battlefield status quo and economic carrots.
>>522078317Deletion of the clause that equated Russian non-aggression with NATO non-expansion is also crucial. This is a key loss for Russia, as it was a core Russian demand for decades to legitimize its sphere of influence. Its removal is a significant reason why the European plan is less acceptable to the Kremlin.Russia _really_ could accept the American plan with some changes at its favour, but i think that European version makes it almost impossible for Russia to agree upon it.
Meanwhile the Russian peace proposal :- Lol, no.
These Euros are evil, they want every white man dead
>>522079137>>522079353Probability of Russia agreeing to the American plan : 70-80%Probability of Russia agreeing to European plan : 20-30%
>>522079473I don't think russia has any real chance of agreeing with any just yet. They know that burgers and euros will fight that shit and nobody will agree with shit and thus pigger meat grinding continues.
>>522079650>and thus pigger meat grinding continues.Thats good and optimal for Russia xD
Heres the titan of Polish OSINT explaining that Ukraine - despite all of this - still wins the war in strategic and political way. Russia is a loser, Ukraine is a winner xDhttps://files.catbox.moe/jnelfj.mp4
>>522076553Clearly the US version was drafted by Russia
>>522082380Nope. It was drafted by Rubio, Kushner and Witkoff. I can give you like a hundred of reasons why Russia would never draft such a plan. It was written in purely in American way, from perspective of American interest.
>>522076553so, once again the main issue is europe seems to negotiate with itself and expect russia to agree. thus nothing occurs. you don't get to have your cake and eat it to. concessions are expected from ukraine and it seems either complee blind to this or is literally expecting to just collapse.
>>522076553no one cares what Europeans saythey have no CARDS
>>522076553>To the last UkrainianBased Eurohomo retards
>European plan: The US will give NATO article 5 guarantees to UkraineKek'd at this one.
Why do europeans think they're important? They've never won a major war in their life without US and/or Russia involvement. The language and tone of the negotiations have clearly changed. There's something obviously happening in the background. The plan wouldn't have been proposed without Ukraine and Russia being consulted for their input. And it's also not going to be the final plan. But Russia has every claim to territory that was handed to Ukraine during the Soviet era when it's always belonged to Russia, geographically and culturally. Russia also has claim to Odessa and Crimea. Ukraine is lucky they're even recognized as a country
>>522079353yes brown people are usually evil and want white man dead
>>522081710dayum, ruZZia just can't stop losing huh?
>>522085791>canindian education
>>522086177Ukraine is obviously winning and Russia is on the verge of collapse, thats why both the US and Western Europe struggle now in a rush-mode to engineer a peace deal confirming a strategic defeat of Ukraine xD
>US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent says sanctions against Russia aren’t working, noting that when the EU's already on its “19th package” it’s a sign the whole approach has failed. “If you have to do something 19 times, you haven’t succeeded.”https://x.com/27khv/status/1992639041448374678
>>522076553>21. Territories>Ukraine commits not to recover its occupied sovereign territory through military means. Negotiations on territorial swaps will start from the Line of Contact.This is so funny. Hungary was the first country to offer a bilateral cooperation treaty to Ukraine after it had gained its independence and it had a similar clause, it said both side will refrain from reclaiming territory through aggressive means but neither sides rules out future negotiations on the border. According to the Hun committee the Hohols did a last minute bait and switch and struck out the second part from the copies of the treaty that got signed. I'm not 100% sure I believe that's how it happened but Hohols did rule out territorial negotiations.
>>522076553The world is in a real fucking speedrun pace to invade you. It is breaking at the hinges to let it happen. You have less than 2 years.
>>522088588Trumps peace plan is Yalta for Ukraine, and Poland is next to be ground up in the zone of decay. There will be a lot of crying. I am warning for years that Bolanda chose absolutely suicidal path but i can do nothing else. xD
>>522089237Polands infantile-agentural elite is a remnant of the geopolitical arrangement from 1989, when the West and its neoliberal ideology were having their short moment of triumph, and Eastern Europe was being transformed into a neocolony. This world no longer exists. Today we have a multipolar world, where these people in power in Warsaw are basically a freak of nature. xD
They think they have cards?
Rubio confirms the US peace plan as a framework for negotiations, not "European plan".
>>522090478>Rubio stated that he had not seen any counterplan from Europe to resolve the Ukrainian conflict.https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1992686781842825659xD
>>522079473Europeans make our politicians look like game theory geniuses. Then again I'm pretty sure the criminals running Europe want a war to kill more Whites and hide their own crimes.
>>522076553this isn’t going to end anytime soon
>>522090478Sounds pointless then.
>>522091330Seems like it is. Well unless trump changes he seems to be implying your funding is ending. This lines up well with the 2020 budget that has had no additions and is ending this year.
>>522076553Good, you can take over paying all the subsidies to Agent Z too!
America having to solve europoor problems AGAIN. You fucking dipshits deserve to be roped. I’m starting to believe the Caucasian people are truly the plague among humanity.
>>522092220>having toYou don't get it. This is Trump's final offer, then Europe is on their own. They can fund the war, do whatever.
>Ukraine becomes a member of the EUThis is rich though, after forcing several countries in even after the referendums failed, they drop all pretense and just say Ukraine is in the EU. Wouldn't that be up to the Ukrainian people and not this EU peace plan draft committee? Holy shit they don't realize how far the mask has dropped do they?
Trumps plan is a joke unless you see it as internal play. He knows its an impossible plan to accept but he wants to tell his people he is doing hard chad business against the europeons. He wants the europeans on their knees going "please please help" for optics. It would be hilarious if everyone actually accepted this deal, it would signify the US shooting its own foot. Sure, Europe would shake but Nato would end and US would be seen as a bitch for giving away so much. There is no other option than dragging this war for 10 more years.
>>522090807It’s sadder than thatThey have literally done all this based on egoThey are unelected, so can’t be put out of office, at least the eu onesThe others are out on their arse, uk germs and frogs so are trying to be relevant and secure what ever jobs they can after government It’s a tragic mess
>>522079473>Probability of Russia agreeing to the American plan : 70-80%>Probability of Russia agreeing to European plan : 20-30%eh noI'd say probability of Russians agreeing to US plan is below 20%While probability of Russians agreeing to EU plan can be mathemathically expressed as "fuck you" percentage
Russia's post-war settlement goals will be directly proportionate to the amount of damage EU caused to European/Russian security, lives, economies.On territory:1. Russia will require full control of all 4 oblasts (Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson)2. Full or partial control of Odessa oblast3. Full or partial control of Kharkiv oblastOn sanctions:1. Full or partial lifting of sanctions related to energy and fossil fuel trade between Russia and rest of Europe2. Restored access to SWIFT for RussiaOn Kyiv:1. Immediate elections. Russia will not sign any deals with Zelensky because it's risky from a legally-binding perspective to use his signatures2. Investigations, arrests of everyone in the Ukrainian government and military who was involved in war crimes and embezzlement3. Reduction of Ukraine's army size to ~250,000 active personnel 4. Ban on Ukraine's membership in EU/NATO5. Restoration of rights for the use of Russian language in public spaces, schools, institutionsEverything else in he post-war settlement will be minor logistical additions. Cannot comment much on the 300 billion assets settlement. But you can screenshot my post on how things will end. Because either they end this way, or we're looking at WW3 within 5 years from now.
>>522076553tl;dr to the last oinkrainian, total hohol death
