Everything back in the Fatherland that belongs to it + minimized # of new eastoids acquired, occupying our territories after Soviet cleansing, to assimilateWas wondering about status of Królewiec/Kaliningrad and decided to give it all away to Lithuania as a consolation prize for returning Wilno to Poland
>>522079302>Poland's optimal bordersPic rel + Silesia and Pomerania.
>>522079302You have your original borders. Had 99% Polish population, before deciding to do immigrant importing too. Yet you want another massacre. What's wrong with you?
>>522079302The current one, and if you think otherwise then you are an autistic hack.The eastern territories have completely dilapidated infrastructure and are inhabited by populations that would hate us guts if we ever got to rule themThat's the reality.
Toilet land is natural German clay. Baltics should quit playing hard to get too they know they want some sauerkraut
>>522079517no, too many eastoids not speaking Polish
>>522079665not sure what you're calling original borders when Lwów was majority Polish + within Poland for the majority of Polish history (600 years)
>>522079940actually everything up to the Łaba (Elbe) river is Slavic claythe Polish-German border on the Odra river I would say is a line of compromise, really
>>522079302Still a shithole tho :(
>>522079767i specifically measured it out to be equivalent area-wise to only like 2 voivodeships, it would bring only like 1.9 million eastoids to our midst & would be easy to upgrade
>>522080015>Lwów was majority Polish + within Poland for the majority of Polish historyWhy are you pretending that you didn't occupy an old Rus' city and displaced the original inhabitants? Why do you pretend that a city is whole region, especially in old times of low urbanization? Even by the beginning of 20th century Galicia wasn't majority Polish.http://hauster.de/data/censusgal1900.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)#People>The respective data for Eastern Galicia show the following numbers: Ukrainians 64.5%, Poles 21.0%, Jews 13.7%, Germans 0.3%, and others 0.5%.[25][26
>Yet you want another massacre.There would be no massacre. A massacre happened in a German-occupied area with the acquiescence of the German masters of the brutal Ukrainian pigsOut of our 300k+ prospective army, I would station 200,000 troops in total within these 2 new voivodeships.With hundreds of thousands of Poles living there, ~1.9 million eastoids, and with repolonization, these 200,000 troops would face an easy task at safekeeping the Polish rear
>>522080676>Why are you pretending that you didn't occupy an old Rus' city and displaced the original inhabitants?Lwów went to us (specifically to King Casimir the Great) in a war of succession, after the local boyars poisoned their heirless prince. Casimir had a blood relation to some degree. It's normal medieval stuffBtw, Lwów only gained town rights in... 1356. Under Casimir. Did you know that?And in a different place. The original settlement was a wooden shithole on a hill. Casimir built out the valley where Lwów's Old Town is located in still...As we say "King Casimir greeted a Poland made of wood, and left it made of stone"
Also for the piece of Eastern Galicia I carved out in the map specifically, the % of Poles was still over 50% before the war
>>522081194You sound like a jew with their typical pilpul and chutzpah. Figures, OG Paradisus Judaeorum after all.Lviv is not whole Galicia, not even the original capital. And Galicia is not Polish. Simple as.
>>522081565You sound like a nigger with their typical we wuz and shiet. Figures, OG Borderlands after all.The whole Galicia was majority Polish, btw. And it's not even a real thing, it's an austrian occupier construct for like 90 years
>>522079302No worries, we've got your optimal borders. We're just waiting for the germans to remember their password
>>522081340>the % of Poles was still over 50% before the warYeah, let's take the convenient period when you carried pacification and ethnic cleansing. Only the pre WW1 data is objective. I showed you which districts were majority Polish.
>>522081700Pic related is literally him lmao
>1764hehe, I knew that number stood out to me for some reason
>>522079302ugly
>>522079302you are looking at ural mountains when talking about optimal border
>>522080015should add dates to that gif
>>522081764Love that idea, last time you lost 30M russkies when they got their password lol
>>522081952yep the pole who literally fucked your most famous empress and cucked one of your tsars>In Saint Petersburg, Williams introduced Poniatowski to the 26-year-old Catherine Alexeievna, the future empress Catherine the Great. The two became lovers.[11][15] Whatever his feelings for Catherine, it is likely Poniatowski also saw an opportunity to use the relationship for his own benefit, using her influence to bolster his career.[11]
>>522081773you mean this pic? >>522080676it says poles are majority in both lwows (region and city i presume)
>>522079302Kaliningrad is a funny thing.it could go either way.baltic (which i think is fair)poland (which i think is logical)or germany (which i think would be based)
>>522079302Poland should get East Germany tbqh.
>>522081773>when you carried pacificationwait, why do ukroids demonize essentially getting SWAT'ed with their illegal arms confiscated? most Ukrainian citizens weren't even supporting these terrorists (whose only aim was to polarize society and remove moderate Ukrainians)>ethnic cleansing the what? lmao
>>522079302Ah another jeet vpn zigger.No we dont give a shiet about some land with foreign people that we would had to deal with.We want free ukraine and free belarus because fuck russia i za wolność naszą i waszą.And you zigger jeet stop spamming with polish flag kurwo
>>522082355all the tsars since peter weren't russian anyway, they were french-speaking germans and they spoke russian with a german accenteven at the end of the 19th century, in the first recording of the voice of a "russian" tsar he's singing a song in German to the health of Bismarck or something like that
>>522079302You can't beat the original. Dagome Iudex Poland is the realest one
>>522083273cringe
>>522083365Cringe is spamming that not retarded polish people want an useless land with foreign people on it lol.But you are a jeet and dont understand that, your orders is to make polish people look bad for rupies from jewtin lol
>>522083486actually the area i highlighted would have the smallest number of eastoids, it's not all of Kresyif you think our 40M nation couldn't handle ~1.9M eastoids & upgrade the area the size of 2 voivodeships then you're just being dense
>>522079302Mało ci ukraińcow w kraju że jeszcze chcesz ich parę milionów?
>>522083663Kurwa you want lwów jebany hindusie.Eat poop and die hitted by a train already fucking zigger dog
>>522083826To jeden z tych jebanych hindusów od jewtina, od 2023 spamują pol z drobnymi przerwami udając Polaków by wkurwić wszystkich.>jak któregoś mocniej przyciśniesz to wychodzi jak obok
>>522079302zdrastvuytye!kak dyela?
the A4 highway goes all the way to our current eastern borderimagine if my proposition materializedthink about itthe arch-Polish Lwów even now is barely 50 km (30 mi) from the current Polish border, in a straight linethe A4 extension to Lwów itself would be only 60 kmif i was an inhabitant of Lwów I'd get>no border checks>no delays, instant access>speedy highway connection to the rest of Poland & EU>European rail standard and seamless rail transport between Lwów and the rest of Europe>amazon.pl>800+no-brainer
>>522084200Wypierdalaj gównożerco do gangesu and stop pretending to be a polish user
Vilnius isn't yours, it's Lithuanian territory historically.>most people there spoke PolishSo what? Half the people there were Jews. Poles turned it into a cosmopolitan Babylon, where everyone spoke Polish as a kind of lingua franca, it was not even "Polish" in the ethnic sense.
>>522084398that's like saying "Edinburgh isn't British, it's Scottish territory historically"
>>522083303still it was their greatest tsaressmarried in 1745 started fucking poniatowski in 1755her husband became tsar at 1762 and same year was killed by her so she took power and kept fucking poniatowski
>>522084398yes polish used to be lingua franca of east europe
>>522079302The best case is Germany and Russia divide the country and occupy you to prevent further warmongering.
>>522084841>yes polish used to be lingua franca of east europe yidsfixt it for yous
>>522084973what wars did we start
>>522085082yids were speaking yiddish which is west germanic language you dumb fuck
>>522085154bodied that freak
>>522079665god I hope poland takes the west part of your country while russia takes the east
>>522081700>The whole Galicia was majority Polish, btw.Again with kike pulpul. "The whole Galicia" you are talking about included eastern Poland in Austrian admin division. For no real reason, because it was never included in historical Galicia. And it's part of Poland today as is. I specifically posted you stats and pic of "Eastern" Galicia, or simply Galicia historically and which is part of Ukraine today and you want to annex for some reason. It was never majority Polish. Or Vilnius. How in the hell do you justify that??? It wasn't even part of Polish crown lands, always GDL before you snatched after WW1.Anyway, do it. Be my guest, see how far it'll get you. Not only going to deal with fierce insurgency. But by undermining Ukraine, you will have russians on your eastern borders again. And then you'll explain how Lviv is Polish to them. They'll just bomb it to hell, together with you inside.
>>522081700Galicia literary comes from the rus(Sian/Ukrainian depding on viewpoint) orthodox principality of Galich. That came under polish control while the other rus principalities were invaded by Mongols. subhuman hyena of Europe.
>>522085107WW2, and you’re working hard to start a third one.
>>522079302Polands optimal borders were during General Governorate
>>522086095oh you mean the principality of halych as the "historical Galicia"lol it only existed for like 70 years>Following the destruction wreaked by the Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus' (1239–1241), Prince Daniel of Galicia and the other princes of Rus' pledged allegiance to Batu Khan of the Golden Horde in 1246.
>>522086289why are you using russian phrases you heckin ukranny patriot?
Europe never recovered from Austria-Hungary Empire collapsing.
>>522086355You are not even trying with your kike pilpul and chutzpah. Just straight up lying. Halych existed before the Mongol invasion. Or are you pretending like it was Polish before that?
>>522086993according to wikipedia the principality started in the mid-12th century, in mid-13th century it became Mongol clay & in mid-1300s it went to Poland in a war of successionnot sure what you're staking a ukrainian claim out of
>>522079302These regions will be at the level of the Podlaskie Voivodeship.It will be easier to create an Intermarium Union between Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic states, thereby stimulating their economies (although EU funds are preferable to such a union)
>>522087643at the level of the 2035 Podlaskie Voivodeship? yesand Podlachia isn't that bad even now
>>522087217>the principality started in the mid-12th centurySo before that it was Polish? Or historical region of Galicia is not encompassing Principality of Halych, but instead the admin unit of Austria-Hungary? Btw what were the borders of Ruthenian voevodship in PLC?>in a war of successionIt wasn't war of succession. It was simple partition of the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia between Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.>not sure what you're staking a ukrainian claim out ofSo old Rus' principalities in western Ukraine were in fact Polish? And what are your claims? Some pilpul and lies?
>>522079302I read "Poland's optional borders"
>>522079951Reverse expulsion and reverse assimilation.
>>522079302
>>522089194>So before that it was Polish?it actually was. look up Grody Czerwieńskie. it was Polish in the 900s too
>>522079665>Yet you want another massacre.You're getting KARMA right now and I'm sure you haven't gotten all of it... YET!
>>522079302Borders are a Western European thing. A Slav is a Slav we care not for your foolish white boy games.
>>522079665He is an idiot, (or russian troll) even if Poland would go rouge somehow (this is out of character to our country) any change of borders would be meaningless when there is no more polish majority in those regions there
>>522079302It's all rightful varangian clay.
>>522079517What is this map from?
>>522080676>Why are you pretending that you didn't occupy an old Rus' city and displaced the original inhabitants?Many Poles moved to and lived in Lwów already in the 1200s. Also, Casimir III the Great and thus Poland LEGALLY INHERITED Lwów (with Halicz and Wołyń) in 1340.
>>522088738If you get these territories, you will have to develop these regions and integrate the local population, meaning the Polish economy will not receive any bonuses from this, only losses, because all these territories are ordinary agricultural regions with bad cities (only Vilnius is more or less good)
>>522079302Nigga, that whole western part of poland belongs to germany if you want to start changing the borders to something else.
>>522089868see here: >>522084200and if we could restart the prewar Lwów's genius milieu (which is now, obviously, absent) it would be a really big bonusLwów was more important than Wilno tbqh
>>522089784Dmowski's Polish borders proposal at Versailles.
>>522079302>Poland's optimal borders
>>522090272That seems way better then what Germany got irl... I wish Operation Unthinkable had happened we could have these borders today and saved both Germany and Poland from decades under the Communist yoke.
>>522079665There are dozens of ukies and ruskies dying in gruesome ways while I read this post.I think I'm getting an erection.
>>522083125True, but sadly completely unrealistic now...
>>522090029Lviv is entirely populated by Ukrainians who harbor resentment toward the Poles; Belarusians are better in this regard. You simply won't be able to seize these territories, as that would mean war with many countries. The only thing you can do now is support the Belarusian opposition militarily and receive territory from them in exchange for your support
>STOP ANTAGONISING NEIGHBOURS AND THERE WILL BE AN END TO THE HORROR
>>522090628bro let's be honest, ain't no one feeling patriotic in that shithole for that shithole & they would appreciate the upgrade bigly
>>522083925>Kurwa you want lwów jebany hindusie.As any REAL NORMAL POLE WOULD you fucking ahistorical retard, gtfo and kys traitor.https://youtu.be/uiekjno91WA
>>522090722lol, you think too highly of them. Russians, for example, live in extreme poverty, earning $400 a month, paying $200 in rent (that's why they're struggling with $2,000 salaries), and food prices like in Europe, yet they praise Putin and Russia. Those people probably just have Stockholm syndrome
>>522090415Friedrich Nietzsche: "I think of the Germans as uncouth people and thank the heavens, that I’m instinctively Polish, and nothing else.”
>>522084200>mfw you could have a seamless straight highway to the place of Polish king Jan III Sobieski's birthplace in Olesko
>>52208508280% of Polish Jews couldn't even speak Polish except only Hebrew and/or Yiddish. Only 10% of them could speak Polish fluently before WW2.
>>522079302Give all of Europe and Russia to Poland. Those are the optimal borders.
>>522086289Halicz aka Grody Czerwieńskie were Lach/Polish before Rus stole them from Poland in 982.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherven_Cities
>>522079951prussia was founded by a polish prince. those eastoids will re-learn polish its in their blood
>>522090018>Daugavpils, then called Dyneburg, was the capital of Polish Livonia while in Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. >After Poland regained Livonia, King Stefan Batory located the new city of Dyneburg near the Moscow rampart, to which he granted the Magdeburg Law on March 26, 1582[2] and built a new fortress. In 1629, the voivode of Smolensk, Aleksander Korwin Gosiewski, founded a Jesuit college in the city[3], which was the first school in the region. A church was built next to the college. In 1652, the Sejm issued a constitution on the fortification of the city, and the project was created on the initiative of King Jan Kazimierz[4]. In 1655, the city was occupied by the Swedes, and in 1656 the city and the fortress were taken over by the Muscovite army, who gave it the name Borisoglebsk. The Moscow occupation lasted until 1666, when Dyneburg was regained by Poland under the Treaty of Andruszów. In 1667. Dyneburg became the capital of the Livonian Voivodeship and since then the fortress has been permanently occupied by the Polish military garrison. From 1673, the town held sessions of sejmiks for landowners from Livonia[5].Give back Dźwińsk/Dyneburg/Daugavpils.
>>522091982Ironically many Prussians were part Poles or outright Polish. Prussians were a Germ-Balto-Slavic mutt-(n)ation.
>>522091256Przepraszam, my name is Pan Fryderyk Niëzki.I’m a 38 year old German filozof (philosopher for you obcokrajowcy) of Polish noble descent. I write books, compose music daily and spend my days perfecting my art while reading superior Polish Romantic literature (Mickiewicz, Goszczyński, Mochnacki etc.).I train with my szabla and perfect my Polish cross cutting art every day. This superior weapon is ideal for both horseback and on-foot fighting, allowing for faster and swifter combination of strikes, and combined with Polish technique is vastly superior to any other cold weapon on earth.I speak Polish fluently, both Greater and Lesser Polish dialects, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Polish history and their Sarmatian code - which I follow to 100%.When I get my Polish visa, I am moving to Warsaw to attend a prestigious university to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become a professor at the University of Warsaw or a music composer!I own several żupany and kontusze which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Poland so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Polish as often as I can.Dankę and wish me luck in Poland!
>>522091195https://youtu.be/9J2RmcmUQNw
>>522084505denying Lithuanian identity, are you a litvinist or what?>>522084841Yes, I know this. My point is it wasn't a Polish city made of ethnic Poles. It was Babylon. So ethnic claims on it are stupid. Many of the "Poles" there were polonized Lithuanians anyway. Going by the historical record, it belongs to Lithuania.
>>522096678>denying Lithuanian identity, are you a litvinist or what?You aren't understanding him correctly. Again, is "Britishness" denying "Scottishness"?
>>522080095You owe Germany territory.
>>522089194>>522098554
>>522090628>receive territory from themDamn, you are indeed a cuck nation. Putting up with potato fuhrer for more than 3 decades, and creeping pidor occupation. And instead of actual fight for independence, just making plans how to sell your ass to lyakhs. Same shit in the past. Cossacks rebelled all the time. You just obediently cucked to polacks and then to katsaps. Completely russified too.
We can go even further.
>>522099625actually the original germanic tribes southernmost extent was south of denmark
>>522099508cossacks were a multi-ethnic roving bandit groupyour actual ancestors were under their boot...
>>522099625Ofc the Austrian-Germ hohol creation will cock suck Germs.>Gerhard from Augsburg in Life of Saint Udalric, c. 983-993, writes about Mieszko as “the Prince of Vandals, named Mieszko”.>German church chronicles (992) - “Duke of Vandals Mieszko died” about Mieszko I of Poland.>Snorri Sturluson in Heimskringli (1225) - “King of Vandals” about Polish King Bolesław Chrobry.>Adam of Bremen in Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum (1073-1076) - “Sclavanie, the largest part of Germania inhabited by Vinuli, who were earlier called Vandals, apparently it is bigger than our Saxony, especially if we includes Chechs and Polans on the other side of the Odra River, who do not differ in either language or customs.”>"Vandals are called Slavs in Latin, and in the Teutonic language they are called Wends." – Gottfried von Witerbo, Memoria seculorum>Gervase of Tilbury in Otia Imperialia (1209-1214) - “they are referred to as Vandals and that's how they call themselves” (about Poles).>Vilhelm of Rubruck - “The language of Ruthenians, Poles, Czechs and Sclavons is the same as the language of Vandals”.>"Slavia is a part of Moesia with many regions. For the Slavs are Bohemians, Poles, Methanes, Vandals, Ruthenes, Dalmatians, and Carinthias." – Bartholomeus Anglicus>"The language of the Ruthens, and Poles, and Bohemians, and Slavs, is one and the same with the language of the Vandals, whose detachment was together with the Huns." – Guillaume de Rubruck>"After all, the Vandals, from whom the Slavs descended, had settlements in the most remote parts of Germany." – Mark Anthony Coccio Sabellico in 1502>In 1549, the diplomat of the HRE, Baron Sigmund von Gerberstein, published in - “Rerum moscoviticarum commentarii”. In the description of the Slavic peoples, he reports:>"Finally, in Germany beyond the Elbe, in the North, the remains of the vandals live in some places. All of them recognize themselves as Slavs."
>>522101364>>522099625https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieszko_Ihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolesław_I_the_BravePic rel:>Grave inscription in the temple in the city of Poznań in Poland, from 1025: Here lies Boleslaus, King of the Vandals or Poles.https://youtu.be/sx-_1DkTN9shttps://youtu.be/cxFBrqd8dVs
>>522099781True, the cossack rebels under Chmiel literally sold hundreds of thousands (maybe up to 200,000) of peasants from Ukraine (proper - Kijów/Bracław Voivodeships) in favor for Crimean Tatar help against Poland. Then it's ironic that cossack leaders themselves pressed their local peasant farmers into serfdom.>>522099508>sell your ass to lyakhs.Don't forget your roots and who you are, because you seem to have forgotten that.
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