Previous: >>522075668Day 1,369 – Daily assessment: https://understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>Tremendous amount of progress in the Geneva talks with Ukraine, there are a couple of issues we need to work on, none of them are insurmountable, we just need more time than we had today. I honestly believe we'll get there. - Rubio>Shatura Plant in mosquew oblast got hit by drones>Rubio announces that the 28 point peace plan was a russian document, not US one>Zelenskyy discussed latest "peace" plan with NATO Sec.Gen and European partners>Zelenskyy says he won't betray Ukraine>Germany confirms long-range missiles to be acquired by Ukraine>Another Ryazan reFINEry visition + Kursk substation hits>Ukraine says it used an ATACMS on russian territory>Refineries in Samara + Ryazan regions hit>Voronezh missile engine factory hit>Major Ukie Drone Strike Halts Oil Deliveries at Novorossiysk Terminal>Su-30SM crashed in Karelia, all crew dead>Flamingo flew to Tuapse + NOVOPUSSYISK was hit separately three times at once: port, oil storage, ammo dump>The first russian region announced an Internet shutdown until the end of the war>The US has frozen negotiations with russia on normalizing relations>Duma deputy Nikolai Arefiev announced that russian citizens have “become impoverished”>Ukraine targets russian energy facilities in Taganrog + Voronezh>Azeris have transferred to NATO doctrine, abandoning russian doctrine citing it as ineffective▶Telegramhttps://rentry.org/telosint2023https://t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelhttps://t.me/DeepStateENhttps://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)https://ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapshttps://deepstatemap.live/enhttps://liveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOUR 1: files.catbox.moe/34fuhc.txtTOUR 2: files.catbox.moe/uj2wut.txtTOUR 3: files.catbox.moe/hmyd98.txtTOUR 4: files.catbox.moe/cdenxe.txt
russians be like:>pee pee poo poo
TZDthx for using the vid :)
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH>>522085105cheers, fren
KILLEVERYZIGGER
Fun fact, Russia gave up on Kherson.
>>522085174>KILL>EVERY>ZIGGERbased moderate
Hitler was right about russians
Make fun of ziggers' last moments
>>522085163whoops lol
>>522085022>ziggers will lose a fighter jet to thisi mean, they already lost one to a motorboat
>>522085323k
TzD
>>522085261love how the drone is teasing him before an heroing
>>522085163do i want to know?
>>522085405Neat edit
NEW COVERT CABAL TANK COUNTING VIDEO:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ft1-pLm5A>tl:dr>count spans from early 2025 to today>44 T-54/55s have disappeared>260 T-62s have disappeared>200 T-64s have disappeared>452 T-72A/Ural have disappeared,40% of the PRE-WAR stockpile just got evaporated>237 T-72Bs have disappeared>55 T-80B/BV have disappeared>88 T-80U/UD have disappearedThe T-72As being pulled is especially telling as those stood mostly untouched for the entire the war with only 20% (233 tanks) being removed until the start of 2025, probably for modernization into either T-72B3s, T-90s or turtle tanks. This year alone however had half of the remaining ones (40% since the start of the war, 452 tanks in total) get pulled out.Pic related are the remaining Russian tanks
>>522085295Hitler hated all Slavs. So was he right about Ukrainians too?
>>522085563How'd you think bread was made?
TZD
>>522085563no>>522085405very cool
>>522085651>refurbishing 1k tanksstrong pro-peace signal right there
So is this shit finally ending? Will Russia accept the revised European/Ukrainian version of the deal?
>>522085369Before the latest war had a convo with one of those hard to comprehend Eastern Euros>life is utter shit over there, but most importantly, who makes it that way>the people.Never have I looked in to Eastern Euros the same regardless of how they try to live over here
the eu counter peace plan is fucked
>>522085022TZD
>>522085651still a lot
>>522086131They are in such shit conditions, the number doesn't really mean much
>>522085651i wonder what they have for IFVs left. the BMP-2 got it worse than any other vehicle and i don't think their BMP-3 production is anywhere near enough to reconstitute their armored forces long term.
apparantly this is the situation now? ukraine is back in the center of the city or so they say
>>522086250they say its just push and shoving back and forth
>>522086250wat nou, Herr Putin?
>>522086174If this war has demonstrated anything unequiovocally it's that transporting infantry in a thin-skinned vehicle with a high thermal profile and a dozen HE shells is retarded. The transition from BMP-3 to chinese golf cart represented an improvement in combat effectiveness for russia's mechanized forces.
>>522086452kek
>>522086250Is that moscow, if not, it really is irrelevant to agent orange understanding of world politics
>>522085651is that a giant pool of oil slick where the tanks were removed from? lol
>>522085651T-72A was even a notoriously shitty early version of the T-72. It got relegated entirely to reserves
>>522086758yes
>>522085022>Tremendous amount of progress in the Geneva talks with Ukraine, there are a couple of issues we need to work on, none of them are insurmountable, we just need more time than we had today.Oh, is Rubio trying to take back the reigns?
>>522085981They won’t even accept the initial 28-point plan. I feel like it was just a way for them test how much sloppy trump was willing to compromise for a country he doesn’t even represent .
>>522085981I doubt it.Russia wants the territorial concessions as a precondition for ceasefire. If those are off the table they'll go back to waffling and stalling. But since Trump has put a deadline on Ukraine that's very friendly to Russia, it's likely they'll just ignore the European proposal entirely and hope they get their deadline without the counterproposal being seriously considered. If it is considered, they'll go back to stalling.Russia knows that it doesn't have the resources or remaining combat power to frontally assault or deeply bypass Ukraine's fortified belt in the Donbas, which is why it's seeking to overcome that obstacle with "diplomacy." If they can't get that concession they'll just keep up the current grind, looking for inchs and feet it can take in any random field to "improve its negotiating position" and try again later.The more I think about it the more I think this whole current proposal shit is going to go nowhere. I think that's unfortunate, because the European proposal is a genuinely realistic starting point for ending the war.
>>522086452i don't think scrapping all mechanized warfare doctrine just because of a stalemated light-infantry trench conflict is the right call either.the next war isn't going to be like this. you would, hopefully, plan on conducting maneuver warfare where you sent your forces forward quickly to take key objectives to settle the conflict quickly.you aren't going to do that in chink golf carts.i know people like to harp on the drone thing but where russia really failed was that they are unable to achieve air superiority. they aren't able to fight actual combined arms warfare. they aren't able to use tactical airpower properly and they got stuck.what is lost in all of this is that russia STILL hasn't learned how to SEAD and everything else failed because of that to the point where they are using loitering munitions and drones to kinda half-ass do the job of tac air. it is pathetic.
>>522086452That and even fucking motorcycles. Yes each person is significantly more vulnerable to small arms but they probably stand a better chance against a drone attack, where the whole squad will blow up and burn to death.
>>522085981neither the original plan nor the revised one. they want land path to Transnistria
Total Zigger Death Total Aryan Victory
>>522087204Trannyzisteria you mean
>>522086250That's literally been the situation for about three weeks. All the maps that have been posted on here talking about "encirclement" have just been maps of the front with the "grey zones" coloured in. Ukranians on the ground have been saying the situation is incredibly difficult, but they're holding. It's Bahkmut, Chasiv Yar etc etc 2.0 right now.
>During tense talks with the U.S. delegation in Geneva, Ukraine’s Umerov reportedly snapped a pen.Uh oh, piggies are angry KEK
>>522085323The last thing a 9 year old German girl sees after being brutally raped in 1945.
>>522086250no party can hold it since there are shit ton of drones and artillery. Both sides lack vehichles to capture it, russians are trying with meat waves but can not hold it
>>522087439Should have snapped Rubio's neck.
>>522087439hopefully he snapped it onto some filthy mutt jew's head
Golden toilet status sisters?
>>522085981not a chance in hellthey probably would've have accepted the original 28 point plan because it was literally written by them, but there's zero chance they'll accept anything neutral or pro ukraine
>>522087439KEK
>>522087442>gets raped by ukrainian drone insteadSomething went awry, instructions unclear
>>522085022
>>522087529ask putin
>RU oil production works on net minus and requires budget subsidies now due to sanctions, global prices dip>RU had to send gasoline from regions to CIS due to inter-government agreements, robbing regions of fuel>Great Cheburnet arrived in regions like Novgorod & Veilikiy Luki: nothing but "approved" web sites work>SIM cards are blocked for 3 days after purchase or arrival from border (hello drones)>Regional admin takes bank loans to finance budgets>Federal budget for 2026 keeps doubling in deficit every month and cannot be approved>Regions cut down on SMO payments from ~2MIL down to 400k>VAT raised from 20 to 22>Tax subsidies for small-medium business down from 60 mil to 20 mil, most would close down>"Technological" fee and "Utilization fee" making cars & tech skyrocket in price>Banks deem you "under scammer influence" if you try too withdraw over 1M of deposits, inter-bank transfers blocked the same way even for your other accounts>To justify scammer angle, the "senile babushka" angle is overblown in used real estate and car market, leaving 2nd buyers sued out of property and scammed out of moneyRussia is in full financial meltdown mode. Literally throwing whatever at the wall to see if anything sticks. RU sockpuppets keep saying "peace talks are inevitable" but they forget RU economy might just collapse before war ends, like USSR did. Oil prices match. Regardless of "peace plans". Probably the reason Witkoff & Trump are in such a hurry. Can't get Nobel Peace Prize if Russia keels over.
>>522087702>but le pupin!!!!!!kek
14:1
>>522085981Not a chance. Ukraine with European Support could probably hold out in the donbass for a couple more years. I genuinely can't see the Russians taking Kramatorsk or Slovianks in under 2 years and by then who is to say where Russia will be economically. Plus if GOP get wiped in the mid-terms the Neo-Cons might look to seize power again as MAGA looks like it's nearly dead.
>>522087729hopefully next year Ukraine increases the pressure on refineries and electricity grid
>>522087767>14:1ukraniggers can't read lmao
A gentle reminder that you lost trannies lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
>>522085022"B...b....b...but random Twitter accounts say India!"
>>522085022Pokrowsk status?
>>522087851if they included missing and wounded the number would be higher
>>522087763well, corruption happens and they are atleast combating it. theyve been distancing themselves from russias influence because of shit like this. meanwhile in mordor youve got complete corruption at every level of government.
>>522087729>RU economy might just collapsemore realistically, ukraine's economy might just collapse since it is 100% on "allies" donations, "allies" who are soon going to cut their losses
>>522085022Ukraine is morally in the wrong for trying to subjugate the sovereign people of the Donbass Republics. Fortunately, their imperialist attempt to conquer the Donbass has failed.
>>522087972US is on the way out, EU is on the way in. Europe has that much more to lose from Ukraine losing.
>>522087972cope the post
NOT LIKE THIS!!!
>>522087945> corruption happens and they are atleast combating itgee I wonder if you say this when russia arrests high profile corruption, lmao
>522087872you will always been a waterboy for niggers
>>522087945>well, corruption happens>they are atleast combating itKEK, it just keeps happening. I love this cope canned response from you dumb shills. They can't even stop doing it in their host countries. Ukranians are parasites.
>>522087729it's much worse than thisRussia has started selling their gold reserves. if they go too low, it'll be possible to launch an economical attack on them
>>522087945Corruption leads to victory, according to the wise Zelen Tsu
>>522087827Moscow Electirc grid is being hit as we speak, like literally yesterday. People don't understand what Moscow blackout means for Russia. Fucking EVERYTHING goes through Moscow. If power goes out in capital, nothing in Russia would work. Payments between clients and industries would halt completely. All rail logistics would stop. Complete economy breakdown. Budanov needs to give Chubays a medal because this ginger fuck made Russian grid that much more vulnerable with his 90s "separate energy producers from infrastructure" bullshit.
>>522088105>startedRussia is on its last 30%, they started dipping into gold & National Prosperity reserve immediately after sanctions hit in 2022. NPR is political now so last 4TR won't be touched, but gold would completely dry out. it's also under huge sanctions so it's sold at massive discount.
>>522088013no one believe that russia will go to nuclear war after winning in ukraine. if anything, russia losing would make that more likely>>522088034right, ukraines position is excellent, my mistake you are definitely not coping
>>522087927grinding zigger meat
>>522088080you voted for carney, didnt you?>ELBOWS UP!!!! its fucking pathetic.>been a waterboy for niggersdo you ever accidentally use the power word around your lesbian social circle?that must be awkward.
>>522088142>but le moscew power grid is downlmao, ukraine has nothing left.
>>522087872mentally indian post
>>522087941Einstein over here
Reminder: no amount of seething about Twitter account locations will change the reality on the battlefieldI know it's a hard thing to accept after being so emotionally invested, but Ukraine has lost. Internalize it, accept it, move on.
>>522085163The violation of wil stanton by mechahitler
>>522088336Can we see it
>>522087872Losing is a form of victory! LOL
>>522088225>they started dipping into gold & National Prosperity reserveyes but that still was like internal. now they are selling the gold externally
>>522088261EU can repair any dmg done to Ukraine. Russian cant even build a drone of their own
>>522088336>no amount of seething about Twitter account locations will change the reality on the battlefieldreminder that you cant check the account location of ukraine supporters because NAFO evacuated to bluesky some time ago.
>>522088336now post russians criminal investigations. Just last year around 1 million
>>522088142>Source: trust me bro
>>522087729Economies don't "collapse" in wartime unless the war industry is literally lost territorially. As long as the government is under mobilization, unrest can be quelled with force or dissidents simply drafted. Failing economic conditions don't matter when the government has the authoritarian capacity to instigate forced labour.For an example, look at WW2 Germany. Cut off from the resources its industry needed and with most of its population centers bombed to the ground, its wartime industry could maintain enough output to keep men fighting a hopeless, long-since-lost war until the allies overrun its main wartime production centers. Only when it had physically lost control of the factories making ammo did they finally run out.If it were peacetime, like 1989, then there's a realistic possibility of popular unrest topping the government or the military siding against the regime. But a war gives young men something to do other than toppling the government. At worst the collapse in Russia's currency value will kill its international buying power, but most of the resources they need to sustain ground operations come out of Russia's own mines and China's aid isn't coming with a pricetag.There will be no October Revolution this time, at least not while the war is still raging. An authoritarian government can afford to go into debt without limit as long as there's nobody to call in those debts. The collapse of their free market is bad for Russia long term but it's not going to have any impact on their war effort short-term.
>>522088413Can’t blame em, who wants to stay on a platform infested with stinky jeets and niggers. Now that we can see locations we start to understand just how brown twatter really is
>>522087927Nabibulina kneecapped Russian economy by going through western textbooks like they are gospel in heavily govt capitalism to command economy that is Russia.Why? Because she does not want to wake up shot in the head like that former minister Starovoyt.This extends to every level of Russia: military, economic, finances. When you terrorize people of all levels so much, you cannot expect efficiency. They would prioritize their survival and tell you whatever it takes to have you off their back.This goes triple, quadryple for Russian military.
>>522088412>russia can't build drones>literally out pacing the world in droneskek
>>522088227>nuclear warIrrelevant. Encouraging aggressive conquest in 2025 cannot be allowed for peace's sake. Everyone and their mother would scramble to settle their border contestions and past grudges as well as speedrun nukes to defend from those, if Russia is allowed to win.It won't happen. With or without US.
>>522088068>I wonder if you say this when russia arrests high profile corruptioni dont think ive seen it... only unfortunate window incidents ..>>522088083theres plenty of corruption here, there, im not sure whats canned about it, nobody said ukraine doesn't have corruption issues.>>522088134i dont think hes stolen a dime himself, who knows about the others in his government.>>522088255i dont vote, my country has lots of problems but i live happily not giving a shit because most of the time it doesn't effect me. i make a good wage at an easy job and i dont need to live like russians.
>>522088392kek
>>522088577those are iranians drones. Russians most advanced drone is orland which is a big POS. Literally a university tier project
>>522088261Russia cannot import German equipment that AFU destroys in RU powergrid anymore. And chink one is overly expensive and cannot be "plugged in" everything needs to be replaced. There are no money, no qualified specialists or time for that to do. Kyiv blackout doesn't stop UA industries and bank transfers. Moscow blackout does stop Russia entirely. It is by design to make Moscow that important.
>>522088651>30 years of corruption>ukranians leave ukraine>still commit fraud and are still corrupt.oh geeeeee why would a canacuck defend urkaine like this?
SitRep - 22/11/25 - The Ukrainian delegation arrived in SwitzerlandAn overview of the daily events in Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Prior to talks with US officials, the Ukrainian delegation led by NSDC Secretary Umerov arrived in Switzerland.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992496340425937116?s=20
>>522088525>Can’t blame em, who wants to stay on a platform infested with stinky jeets and niggers.As I said earlier, this brings up a fantastic point.ukraine supporters view the internet as a battlefield and themselves as the "soldiers" who fight an information war.The fact NAFO fled the global public square for bluesky means that is yet another battlefield ukraine has been routed from.congratulations.>Now that we can see locations we start to understand just how brown twatter really isyou'll focus on the few examples that are convenient to you, and you will ignore the vast ocean of examples that arent convenient for you.
>>522088675>those are iranians dronesbut they're not you dunce.
>>522088764>commit fraud
>>522088858>but le drumpfLOL
>>522088849literally is, russians are so bad they had to modifiy SHITSKIN drones cuz they cant build their own
>>522085022Russian losses per 23/11/25 reported by the Ukrainian General Staff+920 men+2 tanks+8 ACVs+26 artillery+2 MLRS+496 UAVshttps://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992497646872002952?s=20
TRUMP 2028
>>522085022ooh look another faggy hohol thread with seething hohols reposing same old gore shit and calling everyone pidorto the last hohol!
>>52208884990% of those parts are from Iran, retard.
>>522085022Overnight, Russia launched 98 attack drones from multiple directions, including about 60 Shaheds. Ukrainian air defenses shot down or jammed 69 of them. Hits were recorded in 12 locations across the north, south, and east.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992497759145120064?s=20
>522088764i think youre a mentally challenged jeet or something similar.
>>522088888where are the geran-2 drones that are attacking ukriane right now made? who developed them?
>>522088470Source is ginger faggot destroying Post-USSR Russian powergrid with EЭC Poccии separation. Educate yourself, mongol. It wasn't reliable under most ideal circumstances. 25 may 2005 it already happened for nearly 48 hours without any drone or missile attacks and nothing got better since then https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aвapия_в_энepгocиcтeмe_в_Mocквe_(2005)
>>522088932nope, ukraine says they're made of US, Japanese and Chinese parts with russian sourced parts made in russia lmao do you not believe the HUR/DUR/DUR?
>>522085022Five drone strikes hit the Shatura Power Plant in Moscow region, igniting oil-filled transformers. Locals reported up to five explosions. Russia has again closed Moscow airports as the drone raid continues. Shatura is a 1500 MW thermal plant, one of the oldest supplying the region with power and heat.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992498077035336090?s=20video https://files.catbox.moe/vyk4bq.mp4pic 1https://files.catbox.moe/z4sedm.jpgpic 2https://files.catbox.moe/2nchy4.jpg
>>522085563Superimposed robot on top of a human chef humping a table in a funny manner.
>>522088929here are you friends on chink bikes ni hao MADAFAKA
>>522085022>derpRussian losses per 23/11/25 reported by the Ukrainian General Staff+920 men+2 tanks+8 ACVs+26 artillery+2 MLRS+496 UAVshttps://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992497646872002952?s=20
>>522088961Iran, IRAN. teheran moscow flights every week
>>522088471Yes you can have stone age barter economy but if you squeeze out civil sector into your non-productive military sector where all produce gets burnt into fields of Ukraine, you're going to end up with beads as currency.Can Russia steal 60TR deposits? Yeah it can, it will be default/bank death though.
>>522088960>UR A JEEETkek thanks for showing us your shitting street of Toronto buddy.
>>522088838Nafo is some terminally online leftists. They are not Ukrainian lol. Ur retarded
>>522089037>Five drone strikes hit the Shatura Power Plant in Moscow region, igniting oil-filled transformers. Locals reported up to five explosions. Russia has again closed Moscow airports as the drone raid continues. Shatura is a 1500 MW thermal plant, one of the oldest supplying the region with power and heat.video
>>522088961where did they get the blueprint and starter kits from?
>>522089058bwahaha, right on que NAFO TRANNY. I'm impressed that you're willing to work for free since USAids got cancelled. good on you, troony
>>522089024>with russian sourced parts10%. Fun fact. Shaheds have been the worst money sink for Russia in this war so far, because they are useless,
>>522085022European envoys arrived in Geneva with counterproposals to Trump’s peace plan, per The Washington Post. Key points: no limits on Ukraine’s military, restoration of control over ZNPP, Kakhovka dam, Dnipro crossings, and Kinburn Spit, and that territorial issues be addressed only after a ceasefire, without requiring a withdrawal from Donbas.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992498481026502960?s=20
>>522088142>>522089012why are all the webcams still up showing lights?
>>522089024congratulations on listing 3 places that are not russia you fucking indian tier retard
>>522089196'webcams' were 'showing lights' 1 day before USSR collapse. Then it collapsed in 3 days.
>>522089123>the geran-2 was designed in russiaKEK
>>522089135hahaha we will kill you all
>>522085022>>522089037More footage from the Shatura Power Plant strike highlights the scale of the drone assault, with multiple hits igniting oil transformers. The attack disrupted power infrastructure and grounded Moscow’s airports. Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces commander Magyar added: “The pre-winter nights in Russia have lit up with a new palette. Get used to it, there’s more to come.”https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992499097714991154?s=20video 1https://files.catbox.moe/w5cdmf.mp4video 2https://files.catbox.moe/3c4n4o.mp4video 3https://files.catbox.moe/rggft3.mp4
>>522089205>I can't readkek, shill detected.
>>522089114has reading comprehension always kicked you in the nuts?try again. read more slowly this time.
>>522089287>More footage from the Shatura Power Plant strike highlights the scale of the drone assault, with multiple hits igniting oil transformers. The attack disrupted power infrastructure and grounded Moscow’s airports. Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces commander Magyar added: “The pre-winter nights in Russia have lit up with a new palette. Get used to it, there’s more to come.”video 1
>>522089253>the USSR had webcamskek
>>522089264bwahahahahahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c4y2UC_6Os
>>522089287>More footage from the Shatura Power Plant strike highlights the scale of the drone assault, with multiple hits igniting oil transformers. The attack disrupted power infrastructure and grounded Moscow’s airports. Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces commander Magyar added: “The pre-winter nights in Russia have lit up with a new palette. Get used to it, there’s more to come.”video 2
>>522089325You know what USSR had? Same low oil prices, right before collapse.
>>522089320>>522089320>The attack disrupted power infrastructure and grounded Moscow’s airports.nigger the lights are still on in that webm LOL
>>522089287>More footage from the Shatura Power Plant strike highlights the scale of the drone assault, with multiple hits igniting oil transformers. The attack disrupted power infrastructure and grounded Moscow’s airports. Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces commander Magyar added: “The pre-winter nights in Russia have lit up with a new palette. Get used to it, there’s more to come.”video 3
>>522089258its a shahed with upgrades, nigger
>>522087834>Var status = 'over'Can you not understand a joke kek
>>522089295>doubles down on its retardation
>>522089320ooh nooo powerplant got hit, lights are on all around it, meanwhile kief still without light month later
Overnight and into the early morning, Ukrainian drones struck targets in Anapa and Novorossiysk. Reports suggest naval assets at the port of Novorossiysk may have been targeted. “Five to five, the sirens,” one witness said, as explosions echoed along the Black Sea coast.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992499557918560764?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/l2glus.mp4
>>522089383>year 4 of the war>but we have light in MOSQUE KEK A ROO
>>522089451I'm gonna be Devil' advocate here. Russia is 2nd world drone army now. Yes all components are chink, but insides of Shahed/Geran are completely different now compared to original Iranian counterpart. The expertise of drone warfare is what makes Russia so dangerous to Europe currently, specifically.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the peace proposal was developed by the US as a solid basis for negotiations, incorporating ideas from both Russia and Ukraine. This follows Sen. Rounds' revelation that the 28-point plan originated from Russia, not the US, Washington acted only as an intermediary, passing the document to Ukraine without endorsing it.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992500073989656877?s=20
>>522089472Coping and seething lol.
>>522089287This morning, Shatura Power Plant. Smoke continues to rise from the damaged infrastructure, with emergency crews still on site.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992500526056173950?s=20
>>522089613>This morning, Shatura Power Plant. Smoke continues to rise from the damaged infrastructure, with emergency crews still on site.>lights are still onKEK
>>522089287>>522089037>>522085022More footage from Shatura. There are reports local train infrastructure is possible also hit.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992501450946351423?s=20pic 1https://files.catbox.moe/6c3bhy.jpgpic 2https://files.catbox.moe/yetgio.jpgvideohttps://files.catbox.moe/dich6h.mp4
>>522089729>More footage from Shatura. There are reports local train infrastructure is possible also hit.video
>>522089562>passing the document to Ukraine without endorsing it.>we don't endorse this>but sign this or elsedeath to miga ziggers desu
>>522089772Drones, Flamingo or western missiles?
>>522087439Can't blame him, dealing with Am*ricans must be intensely frustrating
>>522089783>miga ziggers desu
>>522089729Footage capturing the moment of the FP-2 drone strike on Shatura Power Plant.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992511335717040379?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/kfvnzp.mp4
>>522089512It's fucking baffling that the EU is talking about some kind of "drone wall" towards the east like it's a new Maginot line, when there is nothing to prevent Russia from driving a truck filled with UAVs to the nearest NATO airfield and destroy, i don't know, a hundred F35s.Three years of drone warfare and Europe has learned nothing. We aren't even mass producing SPAAGs which I think will become essential in combating the drone menace, since using expensive missiles is not an option. We aren't even developing our own drone weapons.This side of the continent has grown way too complacent. We need a reality check.
>>522089783>death to miga ziggers desuthen who will protect you?whose ankles will you hide behind after you kill us?the gall of worthless finns to talk like this.
>>522089258>If we rename it it's no longer Iranian.
>>522089846Its understandable for MAGA to be in europe.If for no other reason, it is because of MAGA that mass deportations will become a pan-western political priority.
>>522089853more transformer kino needed(this comment is a felony in Russia)
>>522089729>>522085022Mobile power stations have reportedly been deployed to Shatura, signaling a shutdown of the Shatura Power Plant following the recent drone strike. Emergency power is being rushed in to stabilize the local grid.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992511765968736501?s=20>The Lights are still on
>>522089863Nobody simply wants to start manufacturing weapon systems en mass when the ongoing drone arms race is still going on.If you build shit for the war that's going on right now, the system will be deprecated in 5 years.
>>522085022Ukrainian intel chief Kyrylo Budanov reveals that over 120 Russian troops are stationed in Venezuela, led by Col. Gen. Oleg Makarevich, who commanded Russia’s “Dnipro” group during the invasion of Ukraine and organized the destruction of the Kakhovka Dam. In Venezuela, they train local forces in infantry, UAVs, special ops, and intel, maintaining a long-standing Russian presence under the guise of military advisors.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992587076810780848?s=20
>>522089974listen tranny.....you guys cant even supply the basic shit.you cant run your army for more than a month at a time.dont worry about next level tech when you cant even supply toilet paper to your soldiers reliably.dont worry about next level shit when you cant even do the basics to defend your own territory.
>>522089974if EU doesn't ramp up MIC, Russia will fucking attack when their production equalizesKremlinoids don't fucking care how much Russians dieUkraine is ready for drone warfare, Europe is not
>>522089965What's with all the UFOs?
>>522089974You can't wait until armed conflict kicks in to start building factories and begin R&D either, the Pidors will be halfway across Poland by then.
>>522089965 lol>>522089729Morning footage shows Ukrainian drones finishing off the already damaged Shatura Power Plant in Moscow region.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992587980213817782?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/be052p.mp4
>>522090111Just Russian AA doing Russian AA things
>>522085022I never even got to see the original American peace proposal.
>>522090151Did Ukraine ever try graphene string payloads yet on electric grids? It's fucking ass to clean out, might be worse than explosives.
Russia has destroyed the last functioning power unit in Chernihiv region, The Guardian reports. The facility was hit directly, its equipment completely obliterated. Concrete walls were in place, but the roof was unfinished, and a full underground shelter would have required months and tens of millions to complete.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992590828158468541?s=20
>>522090166Never expected disclosure to start with the Russian army. Makes sense though.
>>522090070>>522090142Ah yes, the magical pidorussia military that they've kept hidden that will totally open up a new front with no buildup and curbstomp vastly superior militaries, when they can't even deal with Ukraine.
>>522089541And shahed is still useless waste of money
>>522085022New nighttime footage from the strike on the power plant in Moscow region shows precise and impactful drone hits. Despite limited drone numbers, confirmed by Russia’s own defense ministry, the damage was significant.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992643173936746526?s=20>5hhttps://files.catbox.moe/yx9fdk.mp4
Remember when the mineral deal would be a good security guarantee? Fun times.
>>522090523looks like they missed lol, why is the power still on?
>>522090069I know you're not comparing supply chains with us. Your equipment arrives via ass
>>522090223 i don't knowAs of 10:00 on November 23, Ukrainian forces continue to hold certain parts of Pokrovsk, conducting search-and-strike operations against Russian troops. Assault groups, including the 425th Assault Regiment “Skala,” have cleared key areas like the train station and pedagogical college.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992652393314386139?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/pyre1l.mp4
>>522089597exactly, that's all hohols got left, coping and seething. they are so bad at war that now they resort to literally terrorist tactics while nafo faggots are justifying attacks on civilian infrastructure outside of warzone. not only ss nazi were hanged, hohol sympathizers will be hanged too
>>522090445For the most part, I agree with you. But we cannot rule out the possibility that China will assist Russia in rearming and starting all over. Hell, we can't even be sure that the US won't lend-lease Russia in the future, seeing the open hostility the Americas has shown towards Europe.I'd rather that we're prepared and not need it, than lacking the means of local production and research.
>>522090631>I know you're not comparing supply chains with us.I was talking to a lowly finn.who is "us"?
>>522090445>vastly superiorPerkele, Euros are not Finland. They lack determination, training, cohesion and experience. You think it's the same or worse than Ukrainian front, but it might be far easier, especially given Trump attitude towards US allies.
>>522089562The main round of peace talks between Ukraine and the US in Geneva has concluded. According to Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the discussions were among the “most productive and meaningful” so far. He confirmed that the US is making changes to the peace plan, incorporating Ukrainian proposals, and said the teams made strong progress reviewing the terms point by point.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992652963970494893?s=20pic 1https://files.catbox.moe/1tgr8h.jpgpic 2https://files.catbox.moe/bherg2.jpgvideo https://files.catbox.moe/tj7iee.mp4
>>522089562>>522085022 the Whole clown show was involvedBloomberg reports that Trump’s 28-point peace plan was crafted in secret by his envoy Steve Witkoff and Putin’s representative Kirill Dmitriev, with Jared Kushner also involved. Neither Secretary of State Marco Rubio nor Trump himself initially knew about it, Trump saw the plan only at the last moment but approved it after briefing. Rubio reportedly distanced himself, calling it a “Russian document” behind closed doors, while JD Vance’s influence has grown.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992653848784294134?s=20
>>522090891>Steve Witkoff and Putin’s representative Kirill DmitrievDid they not invest into Moscow park together or some shit?
>>522090566>Difference befriending Shelamov and Orange Donny, is you fall out of a window, if you of not much use, once you can't serve or prove your loyalty to>And latter, is if you are getting discarded if you can't bribe him or his jewish criminal syndicate Bonus point, you die quickly, if you stand a man's height next to midget Vlad and if you point out, Donny having a small penis peado.
>>522087109Russia is not interested in peace after all. You would need to buckbreak their whole country for them to even consider a peace plan. Few patches of a land is good enough deal for them to sacrifice half the country; stupid, but that's how they value things. A small territory which is useless is worth more than hundreds of thousands of people for them. And the worst thing is, they still think they are winning this, even when deep in shit in 3 years long war. Their negotiating position is going to be always unrealistic. You are basically talking to a madman. He's seeing completely different things.
>>522090781The first session of talks with the US delegation in Geneva has concluded. Ukraine’s Presidential Office confirmed the meeting was highly productive, with strong progress made toward a just and lasting peace. A second session with European partners will follow later today. Final decisions, they emphasized, will be made by the Presidents. Ukraine thanked President Trump and his team for their commitment to peace.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992654142091714979?s=20>>522090921 if Witkoff has been on RT he's a paid agent, but what's more interesting is Jared Kushner being there when the wrote this garbage
>>522089123geran is a copy of shahedshahed is a copy of jewish harpyharpy is a copy of geman dornier dar from 80's
>>522091119The Telegraph has published Europe’s 24-point rival peace plan for Ukraine. Key proposals include: a ceasefire with third-party monitoring, negotiations starting from current front lines, return of abducted civilians and children, POW exchange “all for all,” US security guarantees similar to NATO’s Article 5, no limits on Ukraine’s military or defense industry, conditional NATO entry, sanctions relief tied to compliance, Ukraine regaining control of ZNPP, Kakhovka Dam, Dnipro access, and Kinburn Spit, plus reconstruction funded in part by frozen Russian assets.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992655329084027000?s=20pic 1https://files.catbox.moe/8setzb.jpgpic 2https://files.catbox.moe/win83y.jpg
>>522091119>with strong progress made toward a just and lasting peace.yeah yeah, we've heard this exact phrase like 800 times alreadyalso this >>522091067land path to Transnistria is the current goal
>>522091201>The Telegraph has published Europe’s 24-point rival peace plan for Ukraine. Key proposals include: a ceasefire with third-party monitoring, negotiations starting from current front lines, return of abducted civilians and children, POW exchange “all for all,” US security guarantees similar to NATO’s Article 5, no limits on Ukraine’s military or defense industry, conditional NATO entry, sanctions relief tied to compliance, Ukraine regaining control of ZNPP, Kakhovka Dam, Dnipro access, and Kinburn Spit, plus reconstruction funded in part by frozen Russian assets.pic 1
>>522091184>80'sIt wasn't anywhere near as cost-efficient back then I bet.
>>522091184Forgot to tell - Ukraine made a copy of geran so wheel of samsara made another turn.
>>522090891>Rubio reportedly distanced himself, calling it a “Russian document” behind closed doorsWhat a crock of shit. Is that why he keeps insisting that it's a US authored plan? Softly insinuating that the US administration's working language isn't actually English but Russian instead.This administration is the largest congregation of charlatans I have ever, EVER seen. How in the ever-loving fuck could you vote these clowns into office.This is living proof that the greeks were right. Not everyone should have, nor deserves to have voting rights.
>>522090687>it’s okay to attack hohol infrastructure because that’s inside the war zone. My precious Muscovy is sancrosanct though you aren’t alllowed to attack there.Get over yourself zigger. Your national infrastructure will be bombed until there’s nothing left. Or you could just stop your evil war and go home
>>522091067>>522091263Peace? Peace is death for Putin' regime. They won't have it. If not Ukraine, then Europe. If not Europe - Geogria, Kazakhstan etc. Do you think anyone wants 1 million buckbroken, raped, PTSD mobiks back into Russia during low oil prices crisis? LMAO they will be forever garrisonned somewhere nowhereland
>>522085022Ukraine’s 1st Center of the Unmanned Systems Forces (former 14th Regiment) struck key targets in occupied Crimea, including the Krasnoperekopsk chemical plant “Brom,” which supports Russia’s military industry, and several energy facilities, notably the Krasnoperekopsk substation.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992656092409770467?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/d5ld56.mp4
>>522090687>coping and seethingSomething you're doing right now?
>>522091371Geogria is already in the process of being overtaken btw
>>522090476They wouldn't be expanding the production if they were ineffective. You streamline the production = cost goes down.And remember these aren't some firecrackers, theres about 100kg of payload.
>>522085022SBU Alpha special forces, using FP-2 drones, carried out precision drone strikes in Pokrovsk and occupied parts of Donetsk region. Targets included a tower housing snipers, MG teams, and FPV operators, as well as depots storing Zala, Geran, and FPV drones.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992656999935623487?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/axrcyo.mp4
>>522091265no one is interested in hearing a european counter proposal.
I'm not pro russian but holy shit this european proposal thing is delusionnalIf european want to give a defeat to Russia they need to give themselves the meaning for it, not wishful think it.
>>522091453Their govt are Russian sock-puppets since 2010.
>>522091119Andriy Yermak said Ukraine and the US have made “very good progress” in Geneva toward a just and lasting peace. A second session will follow soon, involving European partners. He emphasized that final decisions will be made personally by Presidents Zelensky and Trump.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992657578183258580?s=20
>>522091499Europe invested into social over MIC since 1990. They can't immediately switch to war footing and cut budget spendings on social stuff. There is inertia.
>>522091499The Russian proposal was equally stupid, this is how negotiations go you stake out positions then meet in the middle
>>522091201>>522090891Kirill Dmitriev, Russia’s representative in peace talks, dismissed the EU’s counterproposal: “EU warmongers want the war to continue till the last Ukrainian,” he said. His comment signals Russia's likely rejection of the plan and that fighting will persist.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992668695030890505?s=20>>522091483 do you think anyone in Europe cares what Trump say's anymore?
>>522085652Stalin also hated all Slavs.
An air alarm is currently active over Anapa, with reports of Ukrainian drones active in the area.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992669857851265071?s=20>4hhttps://files.catbox.moe/e3lmqr.mp4
>>522091499It is actually quite clever, politically.By proposing something that sounds peaceful, Ukraine can signal its willingness to compromise to Mango Mussolini, thereby hopefully strengthening US support and placing the responsibility for rejection on Putin. And you can bet Putin is going to reject it.Sadly, the entire US administration is obviously compromised and nobody wants to do anything about it. So it's all just political theater.
>>522091613its impossible for the parties (US and Russia) to meet in the middle.Russia will insist on terms befitting the victorious party in a war.The US/EU cant acknowledge Russia won for multiple reasons. Meaning they can never accept terms that makes it clear Russia won.
>>522091483still funny watching them do a last-ditch proposal to try and pretend like they were relevant
>>522091662>>522091613>when neither side actually wants to settle>just waiting while opponents collapsesThe lack of compromise aptitude was clear for Russians in 1993
>>522087729ahhhhh
>>522091662>do you think anyone in Europe cares what Trump say's anymore?Very much so, yes.Everyone in europe is scared shitless of Russia. Nothing scares the sackless euro more than the thought of being abandoned by the US.
>>522091783cabinet'o'nomics versus economicsas in "everything so that I don't get killed" over efficiency
>>522091757The USA is irrelevant in this conversation. We foolishly gave up our leverage and now no one has any reason to listen to us.
>>522091830It's slow, but EU is finding their balls.
>>522091549The second round of Ukraine–US peace talks, now joined by European representatives, has begun in Geneva. According to Zelensky, the discussions are deep and ongoing late into the night, with progress being made toward a “reliable peace” and guaranteed security. Rubio called today the most productive in a long time, adding that Trump seemed satisfied.However, tensions surfaced behind closed doors. Ukraine is having to fight hard for every key position, with Rustem Umerov reportedly snapping a pen during heated debate. The US also accused the Ukrainian side of leaking details of the peace plan to the press, according to Axios.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992692336003011057?s=20pic 2https://files.catbox.moe/9hk8p5.jpgpic 3https://files.catbox.moe/r4xvz7.jpgvideo https://files.catbox.moe/2x8458.mp4
>>522091830What's Russia gonna do? They haven't even finished with the lowly Ukraine yet
>>522091891>We foolishly gave up our leverageeven with a lot of aid no longer being sent to ukraine, the overall war still cant continue without us.we have all the leverage.
>>522091891>The USA is irrelevant in this conversationUSA cucked Russia out of EU energy market forever.US currently uncorks Venezuela #1 workd reserves of oil, and holds reigns of uncorking Iranian supply & Saudis reserve production to a degree.USA fucked Russian metal & gold trade, #2 and #3 Russian exports, too.USA secondary sanctions influence China & India to reduce their oil purchases from Russia.Do not underestimate just how much US knee-capped Russia since 2022. Russia has opened itself for carbonhydrates market takeover and USA are happily doing it.No one is more economically hostile to Russia than USA.
>>522092044It can and it does
>>522091955ukraine is finished. absolutely cooked.the west hasnt stopped funding them yet. so the war isnt over.
reminder that THIS is the end goal. this is what ziggerstan will try to achievepeace talks? diplomacy? forget it. they will use propaganda, bots, installing pro-Russian politicians and whatever other means necessary to achieve thisEstonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, all the *stans...it is in their interest to join this war right now before the ziggerstan knocks on their doors one by one until there's no neighbour to support them
>>522092044You're an irrelevant voice to the conflict. Russia only wants to talk with you because it thinks itself your peer, and you entertain it like cucks.
>>522088471I'm sorry but this is just fucking nonsense. You can't pretend that money and economics doesn't matter just because commie grandpa sits on the throne in Moscow. What fucking twaddle.Especially because Russia isn't some tiny island on the sea which is magically isolated from the rest of the world and doesn't have trade or the bloody internet to see and know what's going on outside.
>>522085295Hitler should have listened to his Generals and gone full force on Moscow, and Japan should have attacked russia from the east, not Pearl Harbour.
>>522091891 that was Monkes idea, to divide Witkoff and Jared Kushner and the whole Administration are fucking retarded>>522091921Zelensky says the Geneva talks have been intense and productive, with both US and EU sides engaged. He notes signs that Trump’s team is listening and emphasizes Ukraine’s priority: a reliable peace, real security, and respect for those who sacrificed. Talks will continue late into the night, with more updates expected.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992693641350197370?s=20https://files.catbox.moe/3hnowc.mp4>part 1
>>522092117I wouldn't put kinetic invasion past them. AFAIK EU is not ready for Russian army circa 2025. You're still on cold war era textbooks and Ukraine doesn't have resources or time to share experience enough.
>>522092170>Zelensky says the Geneva talks have been intense and productive, with both US and EU sides engaged. He notes signs that Trump’s team is listening and emphasizes Ukraine’s priority: a reliable peace, real security, and respect for those who sacrificed. Talks will continue late into the night, with more updates expected.part 2
>>522092108This wars never gonna end at this rate. You'll be in this very thread 20 years from now insisting Russia won
>>522092108The EU will pour unlimited money into Ukraine so they don’t have to face Russia themselves. This war will go on for many more years
>>522091563True. And there is a begining of a wake up call for a european MIC, but its too slow.Unfortunately I think only a war or a deep crisis can wake us into being serious about self defense. Right now, we are cowardly hiding behind ukrainians.American umbrella has turned us into freeloading children, Trump is 100% right about that.
>>522092117It's worse, since Russia has openly been talking about returning the Empire's borders way before this war kicked off in full.Pic related is what Putin has publicly said he wants.
>>522092107ukraine hasnt been forced to wage the war without our support.they have only gotten less.Europe is actually INCAPABLE of supporting the war in ukraine on their own.I hate to bring you this bad news that you should have heard years ago.living in an echochamber has done wonders for you.
>>522092234>This war will go on for many more yearsChina is not supporting Russia enough for that. They cucked Russia out of trading on their financial market. Russia has no credit line currently.
>>522092119>You're an irrelevant voice to the conflict.The lapdogs are getting yappy again.
>>522092252>Unfortunately I think only a warI don't want to believe Kremlinoids will try, but they just might.
>>522091921U.S. and Ukrainian officials are discussing a possible visit by Zelensky to the U.S. this week, tied to Trump’s push for a peace deal by Thanksgiving. The trip depends on Sunday’s Geneva talks. While Rubio hailed major progress, he said work remains. No meeting with Russia is scheduled yet, though Army Secretary Driscoll may travel for further talks.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992695603906920717?s=20>sounds like standard Trump talk, I heard/feel it was a shitshow
>>522092257>Pic related is what Putin has publicly said he wants.Dumbfuck did not consider there's not enough demography to hold it with Stalin' terror or money to keep it together like USSR did. High oil prices are gone forever.
>>522092328Don't you have a wall to build? Weren't you going to make Mexico pay for it?
>>522092231The war will continue as long as there's whites left to be drafted
It's so fucking bizarre how much of world politics and diplomacy revolves around stroking Trumps personal ego.Give the guy a "#1 president" coffee mug and he'll support rebels in a foreign military coup.
>>522092197believe me, if all those countries would join the war right now, it would be over very quickly. they might not have much to offer by themselves but together it's too much for ziggerstan to handle. UA is suffering from lack of manpower first and foremost>>522092257true. let's not forget about Finland. they want you as well. it's in your interest to join too
>>522092044The war will go on, because zelya is a desperate faggot, but it's mutt's and the cheeto pedo's hands to do the right thing and give them what they need. Europe is a pathetic bunch since day 1.
SitRep - 23/11/25 - US-Ukraine talks in GenevaAn overview of the daily events in Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Following Trump's 28-point 'peace' plan, US, European and Ukrainian delegations met in Geneva to discuss the plan, and adjust it.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992703408416194636?s=20
>>522092257going so deep into poland is a bit of a stretch.but Russia can have the rest of you worthless fuckers.finns DESERVE to live under a Russian yoke.
>>522092275The fool is you, with the standard neocon retardation believing the USA is special and indispensable with a destiny. Ukraine has already adapted to US withdrawal
>>522092380The working version of Trump’s peace plan has already been revised from the version previously published, according to The New York Times. Sources say U.S. and Ukrainian negotiators have modified several points during talks in Geneva.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992704501866967219?s=20
>>522092421>Weren't you going to make Mexico pay for it?Mexico did send money to build a wall to keep them out.
Durov went full conspiracy tard and support Owen's claim that Macron want to kill her.Macron's arrest warrants against him is huge mistake but man.
>>522092487>The war will go onwho will fund this war?
>>522092430>believe me, if all those countries would join the war right nowOnly Poland and Finland has enough determination. EU doesn't even have military Schengen approved for cross-border logistics in case of war. Russia thrives on type of discord EU bureaucracy has currently.
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>>522092530>Ukraine has already adapted to US withdrawalhave they?has ukraine secretly formed a fully automated luxury communist state where scarcity has been eliminated?ukraine cant pay for their own government on their own.what are you on about?
>>522089562Surprise, Little Marco is a liar.
>>522091201>>522091119Reuters has published the full 28-point European counter-proposal to the U.S. peace plan for Ukraine. The counter-proposal, drafted by Europe's E3 powers of Britain, France and Germany, takes the U.S. plan as its basis but then goes through it point by point with suggested changes and deletions.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992706502222586041?s=20pic 1https://files.catbox.moe/yth80d.pngpic 2https://files.catbox.moe/6fbgch.pngThe EU counter-proposal caps Ukraine’s army at 800,000, bans NATO troops in Ukraine during peacetime, and restarts ZNPP under IAEA with a 50/50 energy split. Ukraine can’t reclaim occupied land by force. Russia could rejoin G8, sanctions eased in phases. US guarantees apply only if Kyiv doesn’t strike Russia. Trump would chair a “Board of Peace.” Ceasefire begins once signed; US would monitor troop pullbacks. Frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992706824030605740?s=20>Russia doesn't do argreements, and there was a 1994 agreement signed on a piece of paper, how did that go?
>>522092756My Reddit Spacing Brother in Christ, Since 2024, all US military aid is paid by EU.
>>522092756EU supplies unlimited money. We lost our influence when we decided to throw a hissy and stop. Now no one has any reason to take us seriously
>>522092617They never paid you anything, trumptard. The wall was supposed to cost between $8-12 billion, it ended up costing $15 billion, and the US taxpayers paid for it. And how much did it amount to in the end? Jack fucking shit.You have bigger issues to concern yourself with on the homefront than what happens in Europe.
>>522092795>Reuters has published the full 28-point European counter-proposal to the U.S. peace plan for Ukraine. The counter-proposal, drafted by Europe's E3 powers of Britain, France and Germany, takes the U.S. plan as its basis but then goes through it point by point with suggested changes and deletions.pic 2
>>522088471>Economies don't "collapse" in wartimecompletely false
>>522092840Chat, is this real?
>>522089846>Eastern-Europe (non EU)Hmmm
Denmark has signed a $450M deal with BAE Systems for 44 additional CV90 Mk.IIIC IFVs, bringing its future fleet to 159 vehicles. This replaces the planned upgrade of its older CV9035DKs, 44 of which could now be sent to Ukraine, in addition to 40 already planned.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992708909233225839?s=20
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>>522092646Ammo - not the mutts, hitech stuff - mutts. Selling, giving out whatever the hitech is a right thing to do.
missed this whole Xitter shitstorm about the location of accountsLet me guess, all the russian patriotic accounts are Indians and and whole bunch of different 3rd world niggersAnd all the "European based trad free-thinker far right" are registered in the russian federation
>>522092656if even only Poland and Finland joined (and we have a few reasons to join already), that would already be a massive blow. they don't even have to fight on front lines, put them along the "peaceful" parts of the border to guard and defend so UA can put those soldiers on the hot front lines>>522092756'murica has barely donated anything in 2025. it's been pretty much all EU
Air defense activity is being reported in Kerch, occupied Crimea, local sources confirm the sound of launches.https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992709345298239877?s=20>>522092894 there is Eastern EU and then there is the Golden Horde (Russia)
>>522092944This shit is obsolete though. Why waste a half billion dollars buying obsolete shit?
>>522093028VPN countries and Eastern Europe (Non EU).IDK why Musk would knee-cap his friend Trump like that. Guess love gone, tomatoes withered.
>>522093034Well, I might not have whole picture but I watched pro-UA interviews of UA soldiers training in Poland. They say you're training for yesterday warfare and not ready for drone war at all.>>522093069It's not obsolete. You just adjust the tactics.
After two rounds of talks, the U.S. and Ukrainian delegations headed to dinner together at Il Lago, the Italian restaurant inside Geneva’s Four Seasons hotel. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff were among those present. Security forces and police reportedly cleared the area ahead of the gatheringhttps://x.com/NOELreports/status/1992709729282302263?s=20pic 1https://files.catbox.moe/jy6gy3.jpgpic 2https://files.catbox.moe/1r9ypw.jpg>Smells like horse shit reporting>>522093069>Why waste a half billion dollars buying obsolete shit?A T-55?
>>522093163What new tactics? Russia uses tanks as busses now basically.
>>522092753kekis this grifter known outside of france ?
>>522092646Everyone that hates Russia. So most of the world
>>522093195>What new tactics?A "not get fucking clapped by drones" tactics. AKA you shoot & scoot and don't try to ride infantry assault to enemy trenches.
>>522093200I watch him. He shits on Trump and Putin both something mighty.
>>522093261Sounds like you don't actually know and are just making up pabulm with buzzwords lacking specifics.
>>522085982What does it say under humanity?
>>522093291Wow, how incredibly brave and transgressive.
>>522092646russian barbarity combined with stupidity and eastern European hatred towards them, as it was for hundreds of years
>>522093212>Everyone that hates Russia. So most of the worldyou mean all the dead weight?
>>522092275In your 65 IQ brain, it has come down to “We hold the cards, not you”, “you can’t bank roll Ukraine and we don’t want to”, it’s childlike retardation that you’re all in on. What happened to your commitment to the Budapest agreement? I haven’t once seen a retarded American touch upon it. What happened to Ukraines free will? Respect for allies? You’re going to continue providing support until this conflict is over, whether you like it or not. That orange nonce wants his hands all over Ukraine. To get it he’s going to have to work with Ukraine and the EU even if it hurts his ego; not just do Russia's bidding. Trumps first year in office has been defined by childlike stomping and screaming, “Do what I say or else waaaaaaah”…”Waaaah *insults and threats”. He’s a fucking embarrassment and what’s more, you won’t benefit from a single fucking thing during this term. Why? Because you’re nothing. Trumps in it for himself and associates. He’s going leave you poorer and isolated.
>>522093312>abloo bloo blooThat's how AFU uses armor. There is a time window before FPV drone gets to you from 10-15KM away and you need to be gone before it expires.
>>522093163yes, it's true that we're few steps behind like most if not all of the EU. but that's actually a good reason to put soldiers onto the front lines. let them gain that very necessary experienceyes, people will die, of course. but they're soldiers. their job is to fight and die if necessary, not lie in barracks ass up or playing cards and getting paid for it. they signed for this
>>522093345>as it was for hundreds of yearsyou mean all that time ukraine didnt exist and Russia did?
>>522093345It's funny how EU & NATO adjusted their strategy based on that. Now they don't consider leaving civilians even for 1 day with Russian troops occupation.
>>522093163>Well, I might not have whole picture but I watched pro-UA interviews of UA soldiers training in Poland. They say you're training for yesterday warfare and not ready for drone war at all.It's a mistake to assume that the war in Ukraine is the future of warfare, and not a fail-state instead.The reason the war has degraded to that state, where drones are exceptionally useful, is because neither side has the power to fight the war in any other way. Because they've both been depleted to an extent where no major maneuvers are really possible anymore, and so they're all stuck in a slow attritional warfare, where it doesn't really matter if it takes 30 minutes for a drone strike to happen, since tempo is no longer a consideration.The kind of fighting that NATO is preparing for is for maneuver warfare, which NATO is still capable of. It's the kind that happened in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Kharkiv_counteroffensive, where >As the Ukrainian military broke through Russian defensive lines, it recaptured multiple cities in a matter of days. On 7 September, the second day of the counteroffensive, the Ukrainian military advanced over 20 kilometres (12 mi) into Russian-held territory. The next day, Ukraine recaptured Balakliia and Shevchenkove as Russian forces withdrew and fled. On the 9th, Russia began announcing for evacuations in nearby areas as the Ukrainian military continued its advance. The next day, Ukraine retook the key cities of Izium and Kupiansk, securing access to the Oskil River. By the 11th, Ukraine successfully advanced up to 70 kilometres (43 mi) from the pre-counteroffensive front line. In turn, Russia's defence ministry announced the withdrawal of all forces west of the Oskil.This type of fighting is what both Russia and Ukraine would like to do and what they would do, but they can't manage it, so they're stuck jerking off in trenches and sending slow, overrated drones at each other.
>>522093384You lads supporting Russia are in such splendid non-deadweight company as Antifa and various brown countries.Your narrative surrounding this war is a carbon copy of what an Antifa org wrote here in their manifesto.
>>522093432>you mean all that time ukraine didnt exist and Russia did?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27Киeв - Maть гopoдoв pyccких, пидop
>>522093195>Russia uses tanks as busses now basically.what Lada's?>A column of Russian military vehicles was turned into scrap near Kupyansk by units of the 77th Airmobile Brigade. 17-11-202
>>522093449Fair, when neither side has capability to establish air superiority - drones it is. Question is: can EU/NATO apply it against Russia fast enough? Drones are flying currently in and out of EU borders with impunity.
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>>522093391>What happened to Ukraines free will?there is no such thing.ukraine is free to willingly do what Russia tells them.Have you ever heard of the monroe doctrine?>Respect for allies?We can dedicate all night to this. All I have to say is you're barking up the wrong tree.To cut things short, Trump was elected with a mandate to end the war in ukraine.our "allies" has done nothing but sabotage our efforts to extract us from this war. That means you as well. Trump has tried tirelessly to extract us all from this disaster of a war, and you fuckers sabotaged him constantly.I hope we abandon our "allies." Obviously the UK would be exempt from this abandonement. Though, I think you will wish it didnt exempt you when all is said and done.
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>>522093694>ukraine is free to willingly do what Russia tells them.
>>522093533Depends entirely on if Russia wants to commit national suicide by surprise attacking NATO air forces.
>>522093028It's exactly as you imagine, and even more
>>522093759>Depends entirely on if Russia wants to commit national suicideNobody thought Kremlin is insane enough to invade in 2022 yet here we are. They're not rational and don't care about Russian lives.
>>522093449don't underestimate drones. they're making the artillery obsolete and are heavily counterattacking the infantry. not to mention that the new gen of AI powered autonomous drone swarms will be a massive stepping stone
>>522093694I hope Europe cuts every tie it has with the US as soon as possible. Those ties could be restored if America stops behaving like Putin's lapdog though.
>>522093432Ukrainian ethnos and language existed but state didn't, sureThe point is, russians are knows for being chimping out oligophrenics on the world stage. You dont really need some buxs from over the ocean for them to do the stupid shit and regional powers reacting to that. Also Zaporozhian Sich was dismantled a year before the US announced its independence, for example, the world is not turning around you.
>>522093855>I hope Europe cuts every tie it has with the US as soon as possible.EU signed energy deals with US.
>>522093815jews outsourcing their social media advertising to india?
>>522093855Don’t paint us all with the same brush it’s orange nigger who is making these retarded decisions. Despite what mearshcuck claims no one voted for trump because of the Ukraine issue, he’s basically alone on this it’s just unfortunate he’s compromised by Russia someone and will go against our national interest.
>>522093892Eu should be going full nuclear like investing in traveling wave reactors not depending on outside players
>>522093824>Nobody thought Kremlin is insane enough to invade in 2022Anyone who knew Russia knew they would though. Russia already invaded in 2014 to begin with.>>522093839>don't underestimate drones. they're making the artillery obsoleteThat's just nonsense.Drones are way slower than artillery (up to 30 minutes to get on target) and have vastly inferior warheads.A single artillery shell can have a lethal radius of 50 meters and more and gets on target in minutes.A drone is fine as long as you want to hunt down a single guy hiding in a ditch, but if you have massed formations assaulting, you need artillery to turn a specific area into a killzone, where anyone standing up is mulched.>not to mention that the new gen of AI powered autonomous drone swarms will be a massive stepping stoneThe line is going to be extremely blurred between smart munition / drone.
>>522094016Hey, a shekel saved is a saved shekel.
>>522094094>Eu should be going full nuclearIndubitably.>>522094101>Anyone who knew Russia knew they would though. Russia already invaded in 2014 to begin with.They're now facing "war or fail" scenario based on only external support of China, trickling as long as war goes on, distracting Westerners from Taiwan. EU invasion might be inevitable.
>>522091350everyone who is counter to my argument is a nazi, zigger, miga.OOOKAAY, tranny
>>522091450lol, hohols on suicide watch
>>522094101>Drones are way slower than artillery (up to 30 minutes to get on target) and have vastly inferior warheads.You seem to not appreciate the vastly superior hit rate of guided drones vs unguided artillery munitions. It's not even close. And guided arty is much harder to use and more expensive than drones.
>>522094101drones have their disadvantages but they have a very powerful advantage(s):they're relatively cheapthey can go in thousandsthey do their jobbasically you can now zerg the enemy with drones. yes, artillery is all nice and dandy but when a toy drone with a makeshift bomb can neutralize your multi million $$$ rocket system (and all the crew behind it) it's kinda not worth it, especially with all the drawbacks that such artillery has: it's big, sluggish, difficult to operate and move around, vulnerable to damage, their ammo costs a lot and takes time to produceonly armoured vehicles like tanks counter drones and this is when the artillery can shine but then those can be very easily countered by infantry with rocket launchers, mines and such
>>522094245>You seem to not appreciate the vastly superior hit rate of guided drones vs unguided artillery munitionsA superior hit rate isn't what matters against area targets. Like I said, a drone is good for killing individual targets, one guy in a ditch. But artillery isn't about that. It's about killing people in a wide area, killing an entire company in the open.They don't replace or deprecate each other at all. They work together as combined arms, just as all other assets do. Artillery for example makes advancing en mass impossible, while drones can then be used to hunt down single targets. It's the whole dynamic that's lead to this trench warfare to begin with.>can't mass forces because artillery will mulch you>have to send small, 1 squad sized units to try to infiltrate>drones target these infiltrators in returnBut you need artillery to create this dynamic to begin with. Without artillery, the drones by themselves just aren't enough to match a proper massed, combined arms offensive. Especially not when modern C-UAS systems start rolling out.>>522094520>they're relatively cheap>they can go in thousands>they do their jobSame applies to artillery shells.Combined arms is what matters. You use everything together.
>>522094520>only armoured vehicles like tanks counter drones>what it takes for armored vehicle to counter COUPLE of drones>>522094580>A superior hit rate isn't what matters against area targetsI'm sorry, what are area targets when you can spam 1 drone per 1 soldier? Artillery has abysmal roudns to kill ratio, drones are almost 1 to 1.You write a lot of words that don't appear to be all that intelligent.
>>522094676>I'm sorry, what are area targets when you can spam 1 drone per 1 soldier? It takes like 30 minutes for those drones to get on target. They conflict with each other because they hog bandwidth and multiple units can't operate simultenously. It takes hours of flight to achieve an end-result that artillery could have created in 10 minutes.This is extremely important in terms of maneuver warfare, where the ability to get within the enemy's Observe-Orient-Decide-Act loop is dependent on surprise and speed. If you have to wait 30 minutes for fire support to get on station, that's 30 minutes the enemy is going to use to kill you in return, and he WILL succeed at that.You can't WIN a war fighting like this.All you can do is dig into trenches and end up stuck in the kind of war that's going on in Ukraine right now. >Artillery has abysmal roudns to kill ratio, drones are almost 1 to 1.Artillery has an exceptionally good rounds-to-kill ratio. It's so lethal that everyone defends themselves from it on a basic level and avoids operations where artillery is useful. Like I said earlier, the reason why nobody can do massed attacks anymore is specifically because of artillery. Artillery is so fast, accurate and lethal, that if you try to make a big attack, you end up being mulched into pieces.
>>522094580>Same applies to artillery shells.and yet there's a constant shortage of them.>Combined arms is what matters. You use everything together.yes but drones have proven to be more effective against infantry that any other system. artillery can wipe pot a whole division but divisions don't move together anymore these days. now it's pretty much single soldiers advancing like 10-20m apart from each othermeanwhile, with enough operators, drones can create an impenetrable wall. unlike artillery they're not a single point failure system. you can lose half of them and the other half will remain just as deadly
>>522094985How much time does it take to set up arty? Not counting SPA like Archer which are rare and remain to be so.>10 minutesOkay I stopped reading there, this is unrealistic.
