What do you think?
AI sucks and is bullshit and is just a giant bubble and AI will take everyones jobs and kill all of humanity even though it is useless and doesn't work.
>>522091226it is useless and doesn't work but that applies to most people
It's not a bubble, it's just people jumping the gun on AI build out (pricing it in, in other words). This means it might not be a good idea to buy in now, but long term I think it's going much higher.
>>522091128Master Jensen will find a new use for very fast, non-branching matrix multiplication and the stock will soar again
>>522091289This is what amuses me about the whole debate over AI "general intelligence". No one knows what this even means because humans definitely aren't a general intelligence either. Most people are fucking retards who know basically nothing, and even people who are smart and experts are only that about one particular subject and are basically Dunning-Kruger imbeciles about everything else.
>>522091226>AI sucks and is bullshit and is just a giant bubbleYes.>AI will take everyones jobs and kill all of humanityNope. That is just marketing hype spread by the AI companies.
>>522091580What models have you personally tested out?
>>522091654I'm not a third world scam artist with no skills, talent, or morals, so I've no need to distinguish which slop machine is the sloppiest.
>>522091786It was a rhetorical question. I know you've barely used AI and don't even know the names of the frontier models.
>>522092130There's no such thing as a frontier model. They are all slop machines that produce the exact same stolen slop that no one who uses a toilet regularly actually enjoys.
>>522092258See how I knew you didn't know and had no idea what you're talking about. It's really funny how it's always people who barely ever used AI and know nothing about it that say what you do. Reminds me of when I was a kid and my uncle thought that the internet was fake and computers were just stupid calculators.
>>522091128AI is useless and as a technology it's still shittier and more expensive than a search engine
>>522091128Google in Gemini 3 have proved that world-class AI is achievable with spending stratospheric amounts as per retard Sam Altman and his overhyped OpenAI. That’s what I think.
>>522092568*without spending stupid amounts of money
>>522092452Oh, I know how AI works. That's why I don't use it. Because I know it is all just algorithmically reproducing slop based on stolen IP. Most people who understand how AI models work are disgusted by them. Indian scam artists who don't know or care how it works seem to love it, though.
>>522092568>world class AI>has to "bruteforce" solutions in an EXTREMELY expensive way>still wrong 100% of the time for things you can't directly find on the Internet>still fails to count the number of Rs in a SRTRRRRAWBERRY
>potential: infinite>funding: FAANG companies sitting on $10 trillion >new scientific solutions may scramble everything
>>522091128Any technology that can displace the work performed by jeets is one I can get behind
>>522091128This is how the elite get rich and stay rich. They artificially pump up the stocks so they buy it at the low, then reality kicks in and they artificially(sometimes organically) dump the stock and sell it at the high. The whole system needs to crash.
>>522092730Google makes astronomical profits still.And has has comparable AI.OpenAI needs to make a profit by 2030.a
>>522092678How does the algorithm work? Be specific.
>>522091128People who use AI to solve their problems reek of curry
>>522092911Google's profit is from the glowie propped search engine monopoly and ad revenue. They can fuck up their product only so much to extract more revenue before they get competition.
>>522091128I don’t see any real B2B applications that can actually revolutionize anything with enough accuracy to be applied where actual revenue is flowing.If you plug this into underwriting you risk alienating your core market because they won’t like the decision, especially being made with AI.
>>522092568>>522092649As did China.Even Sam Altman admits China with 1/1000th his budget and no access to modern GPU's performs nearly as good as OpenAI if not better.
>>522091128NIGGER ZOOM OUT!!! YOUR DUMB SHIT 5MIN CHART DOESN'T COMMUNICATE SHIT!!!
>>522093311All of China's AIs are just distillations of OpenAI's own models with RL tinkering.
>>522092957Generally, an LLM is based on an iterative process using matrix multiplication that effectively 'trains' the machine to point to a dimensional 'location' for the next 'most likely' token. I don't need to know the exact algorithm or the exact process because none of the street shitters using it know that either, and it is irrelevant because even if I knew nothing about it at all, the output is still garbage. Just like crypto scam artists who know nothing about finance, monetary economic theory, or the blockchain insist that all critics of crypto scams just "don't understand the tech", AI scammers try to use this same nonsense to distract people from the fundamental question: is the output of this "technology" of any value or not? Which is why no matter how deep any critic goes in actually learning about the underlying "technology", it will never be enough to satisfy the street shitter, because it's not about an actual debate using reason, it's a scam artist troll with no morality or social value trying to bully people into letting him rip off the elderly and vulnerable without pushback. Fundamentally, you are a third world person with a third world 'fuck everyone else' mentality that seeks to take advantage of high-trust first world institutions you are incapable of building or even using. You can only abuse and parasitically destroy. Now, go ahead, continue your pathetic slave-mentality whining that I don't understand your precious scam tool, despite knowing nothing about it yourself. Just be aware that it's not going to stop me and every other civilized person from calling you out for being the parasitic barbaric street shitter who is incapable of rational discussion that you are.
>stocks, crypto, PMs, everything followed this trend recently>it's muh AI bubble!do you guys still not realize it's an everything bubble? stocks have been on a golden bullrun for going on six or seven years now...
>>522094241>stocks have been on a golden bullrun for going on six or seven years now...yeah just ignore the covid crash and the biden bear market. Better yet just ignore the GFC or the dotcom bubble and just say stocks have been on a bullrun since 1930
>>522094385are you mentally ill? literally just look at the chart>biden bear marketlmao wtf, you clearly don't even trade you poor faggot
>>522095197>hurr durr the line is higher now than before that means its a bull runshut the fuck up retard and go learn some more fucking buzz words to use incorrectly
>>522091128What's to think? This shit is being pushed in a time period of 10% (visible) unemployment, 20-25% ACTUAL unemployment, endless congressional deficit spending that creates inflation and now politicians are also pushing a greater degree of immigration. It is destined to fail because people are not going to keep accepting this status quo of no jobs for citizens because of immigrant quotas, an irresponsible government and AI taking over jobs as well. I'm honestly surprised there haven't been more shootings or instances of bombings, whites have become too "civil" for their own good as they are led to extinction through nothing but policy. Mods need to go fuck themselves with these rangebans.
>>522095326lol you wont do shit, AI is here nigger
>>522095289>you clearly don't even trade you poor faggotkeep replying dipshit, proving me right
>>522095569>200% year over year for 3 years straight>30% dip>200% for 3 more years>MUH BEAR MARKETanother poorfag who doesn't actually have a portfolio. why even contribute?>I'm smart and I have opinions guys, take me seriously!lol what's the point? fucking retard
>>522091128It got astroturfed so hard I stopped caring about it. It's clearly getting priced in like >>522091314 is stating. The circular financing is very concerning, but they still pay their bills. When they don't, that'll be the final straw.The more pertinent issue I'd find is the stagflationary economy, low economic cashflow, slow bank and fed response, low-hire-high-fire environment, and also consumer insolvency that is on a rapid climb and likely to get worse as people use the last of their reserve debt to pay for the holiday season that is upcoming. It'll take about half a year before people get btfo on it but early signs of people falling through the cracks are very evident.
>>522095569>>522095642btw, if you weren't some coping poor/lowiqfag, you'd see that in my original comment in this chain, I was asserting that there is an ACTUAL bear market on the horizon, not that the economy is good--it's worse than ever, things are fuckedidk why you retards come to post about things you know literally nothing about, ignore half of the conversation, insert yourself into it for no apparent reason, etc. You are literally too stupid to live and people like you are the reason I am spiritually Jewish now.
>>522095519you don't even know what a bear market. The S&P500 lost 25% of its value over the course of several months in 2022. That shit doesn't happen during a "golden bullrun". The covid crash had it lose 30% in like a month. Again, not something that happens during a "golden bullrun". Your time span doesn't even make sense. Six or seven years would mean you think there hasn't been a single crash, correction or bear market since 2018. Even if we assume you're correct and we just ignore the three major drops since then, why start at that point when stocks had been far more upwardly stable since 2009?
>>522096007>you don't even know what a bear market. The S&P500 lost 25% of its value over the course of several months in 2022. That shit doesn't happen during a "golden bullrun". The covid crash had it lose 30% in like a month. Again, not something that happens during a "golden bullrun".It's like you learned this various jargon from watching tiktok or a video essay or a crypto documentary or from some "investing 101" help page on robin hood. That's how I know you are broke. You are fucking stupid dude. Why even post?>your time spanyou mean my time horizon, and to that I say zoom out, RETARD
>>522096331>>522096007also,>any downturn is a bear market>any correction is a bear market>muhhhhh bears>muhhh animals>did I mention I'm totally an investordont kys but consider self harm next time you think about posting
>>522095642There are fundamental problems in the world economy which got papered over with no explanation, deep big problems. Buy gold. Not AI stocks, not Bitcoin. Gold.>>522095870Replying twice in a rage to the same post is how you lose at 4chan, newfag.
>>522096398>Replying twice in a rage to the same post is how you lose at 4chan, newfag.been here longer than you, yes I am mad, no I don't care about your arbitrary status indicators, yes he deserved to be called retarded twice. next you'll count my posts and pretend that's a win somehow
>>522091314Agreed brother. As an employed person I have my own anecdotal experience that AI is revolutionary. It will replace a lot of retards in the workforce, and for high IQ people like you and me it's just a force multiplier so we'll be alright.
>>522096392>>522096331Its actually extremely basic terminology anon. Literally just go read up what a bear market is. Read up on what a crash is. Read up on what a bullrun actually is. No you can't have three major downturns during a bullrun, especially not a golden bullrun.
>>522096688>Its actually extremely basic terminology anon. Literally just go read up what a bear market is. Read up on what a crash is. Read up on what a bullrun actually is. No you can't have three major downturns during a bullrun, especially not a golden bullrun.yeah, bitcoin running to 100k for the first time in history after it was a meme for over a decade, and the s&p running faster than it ever has, exponentially, isn't a bull run because uhh... there were corrections along the wayI reiterate:1) you are fucking stupid2) it's pretty obvious that you are poorI guess #2 is why you are posting, some kind of coping thing that poor failed normalfags do, or some kind of ego thing maybe. You will literally keep making shit up and posting this gay nonsense while acting like you know what you're talking about because you are a niggercattle loser who would rather spend his valuable time on this earth coping about it to strangers than accepting his deficiencies and trying to grow and learnand yes it is worth my time to call you out on it. do like Dobby the house elf and smash your head into stuff next time you think about hitting submit please
>>522096688>>522096824oh and gold to 4k+ etc.. silver over $50... you are a complete fucking retard if you don't think this is the tail end of a massive years long bull run
>>522096824>there were corrections along the waya fucking 20-30% drop isn't a fucking correction.
It's garbage. Just stats on steroid because of large data base. Entirely dependent on data.
>>522091431>This is what amuses me about the whole debate over AI "general intelligence". No one knows what this even meansAGI (artificial general intelligence) is just general-purpose AI that combines multiple specialised-AIs into a single bundle.It's not that fucking difficult, rajesh
AI is a big poo poo, the Hindenburg of bubbes but it does make good porn.
>>522091226AI can very very easily replace the majority of jobs that jeets doIf anything it is actually far superior to jeets at running call centers
>>522096954>a fucking 20-30% drop isn't a fucking correction.yes it is when the asset has gone up in value 300%, 500%, 1000%, fucking idiot. again you are poor, how do I know that without being psychic or ever having met you? because of your niggercattle opinions, which you aggressively assert despite being wrongdon't you have to go to sleep soon to go to work tomorrow btw?
>>522091128I CANT AFFORD RAM YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGERS
>>522097133Anon, indexes didn't go up fucking 300-1000% fucking percent in the times you're talking about. What are you even fucking talking about. Literally how do you even fucking read charts? you just look at the stocks that have done well and ignore everything else and conclude that because Netflix have gone up a bunch there hasn't been a bear market in the last 20 years. Again, you haven't even explain why you put the start of the bullrun in 2017-2018.
>>522097340im not gonna go zoom out for you and take screenshots and i literally don't care what you think, because you are stupid and poor. you wanna split hairs over definitions you don't even understand, or want to use arbitrarily to suit your worldview for some reason, but what does it matter? even if I concede everything you're saying, what have you accomplished? again, how do I know you are poor? because of your comments. it's honestly that simplego cope somewhere else
>>522097340>there hasn't been a bear market in the last 20 years>2017-2018>the last 20 yearshow retarded are you anon? you can't even be sincere and avoid contradicting yourself within 2 sentences. could it be any clearer that you just want to win an Internet argument above all else? stay poor forever
>>522097536>>522097408>can't even defend a single claim he's madeJust admit you're talking out of your fucking ass and you're mad because someone called you out on your literal bullshit. Go gamble on some fucking options like the retard you are.
>>522094147tl;dr
>>522091128>What do you think?There is no bubble.Because AI is not a business, it's an arms race.Think: space race between US and Soviets, or the nuclear weapons race. It's a mistake to look at AI as a civilian market product, even if it uses civilian resources as its main data base.>The bubble-aspect of itSolely a USA-centric phenomenon. AI is evolving globally, but only in the US it takes a bubble-shape, given as all other forms of revenue in the US economy are declining. Long-term US strategy is for AI to boost economic/logistical/infrastructural/governmental efficiency. But whether this manages to save the US economy remains to be seen. If the US loses the AI race to China - then things won't end great for the west.>>522091580>>522091786GenAI is not all of AI.The type of AI you're talking about is the "toy" that normies use for fun after work, to generate slop pictures or videos, and hope to gain clicks.But the fundamental mechanics behind AI (and especially Agentic AI) is what's going to push large companies into deeper robotization of its workforce. I assume you are unaware that robots/bots have been replacing employees in financial/manufacturing/service organisations since ~2014 en masse. Even within a single large company, thousands of employees were replaced by non-AI automations since then. But they had one flaw - they could quickly and cheaply perform human tasks, but were limited to a rigid set of rules and structured data to perform. And they performed well. However, AI brings a new dimension into this field. With AI you can now feed unstructured data into classical RPA bots - which now allows companies to recognise hand-written documents, human-written emails, sms text messages, voice calls, and formulate that information into structured data - which later allows non-AI bots to perform tasks in the backend.Yes, AI will replace millions of jobs in the world, same as non-AI bots already had replaced millions of employees since ~2014.
>>522097739again reiterating your arguments>any downturn is muh bear market because uhhhh bear means down huhuh animals huhuhuh>35% is big number in my retard mind therefore even if the asset ran 300% yoy for 3 years that's uhh a bear market because.. because it just is ok!how many times do I have to call you poor and retarded before you can't take the shame anymore? or maybe you're just as autistic as I am but a lot fucking dumber which would explain why you keep coming back for more punishment
>>522098036again just go look up what the definition of a bear market is. Its not a complicated term.
>>522091226FPBPNPC thing is real. It's the same fucking people every time. The current thing crowd. They all get triggered by and hate AI, bitching about all the jobs it's taking and how dangerous it is, while also declaring it's useless.The bubble aspect is real in that not all these companies will make it. We had a dot-com bubble. Does not mean the internet was a nothingburger.
>>522097000stop sexualizing the market forces
>>522097918>given as all other forms of revenue in the US economy are decliningYou're speaking from a perspective of having only ever known U.S. global dominance, the U.S. economy is EXTREMELY bloated due to accelerated credit use (deficit spending) toward knowingly-flawed concepts. Decline isn't a bad thing in our case because we desperately needed a drawdown of frivolous obligations, bleeding capital to foreign nations, while siphoning up their refuse workers.
>>522098125>look mom I was right about a term on the Internet!>all downturn is muh bear market>literally any retraction of any kind: BEAR MARKET>I LOVE BEARSAgain... this is why I know you are poor and probably don't even trade. When markets are doing 100's of % for years on end, the technical definition of 'bear market' from 1982 is a lot less relevant. What's your endgame, to win a semantic argument? Fucking dumb poorfag. What are you even trying to accomplish here? For me, I can just call you retarded in every post and feel justified/have fun doing it because I know you're upset by the truth in my posts. For you, what is it?
>>522098795Anon, markets aren't doing 100s of % YOY. Specific stocks might but Netflix or Nvidia doing well doesn't mean the market is in a bullrun. That's the term YOU used by the way. A GOLDEN bullrun no less. You can't just look at specific stocks and go "WOW STOCKS ARE DOING AMAZING", that's retarded. Your definition of how a bullrun works basically just reitorates my point that you might as well be claiming there's been a bullrun since 1930.
>>522099074I can see that I won't convince you, so again, I ask, what is your endgame? Win semantic argument, then what? Keep doing what you're doing and thus staying poor and angry enough to engage with someone who considers you a subhuman due to your behavior? Keep acting the same way? Why? Out of spite or what? Spite toward the world, spite toward people who rightfully call you retarded, spite toward the economy/market...? Please enlighten me
personal I'm happy I can make infinite furry content locally big jeet and big tech can eat their hearts out lol *poop*
>>522091128Damn near every single traded stock exhibited the same pattern over those days. The reason you constrain the view so tightly is if you go back to the beginning of november you'll see there's a downward trend with small upward blips just like that one. And it's not just AI companies exhibiting that movement, everything did.
>>522092452>Reminds me of when I was a kid and my uncle thought that the internet was fake and computers were just stupid calculators.Either you are yourself a LLM or you are agonizingly stupid.
>>522099191>>522099074>BTC clears 100k multiple times and is only now beginning to correct>fucking GOLD clears 4.5k and is only now beginning to correct, if it even will alongside the rest (remains to be seen)>commodities have gone insane>S&P 500 fucking DOUBLES in 5 years>tech stocks 3000%>crypto 10000%>PMs 400% in just a few years after hundreds of years of stability>that wasn't the golden bull run, Chud! Look at the Milton Friedman's definition of bear market! ;_;u legit retarded, sven rajesh jimenez ii?
>>522091226It's funny because this is all true and correct>how could something that doesn't work take your job?like pajeets?
>>522091128>What do you think?bubble pop! lol!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI&list=RDbw9CALKOvAI&start_radio=1&pp=ygUKYnViYmxlIHBvcKAHAQ%3D%3D
>>522091226>AI will take everyones jobs and kill all of humanityThat's what the retards trying to get you to invest are saying. Anyone that actually knows anything, knows that AI is nothing more than perhaps a decent work assistance tool to quickly check something.If you let it run off and write entire papers, code, strategies, etc. It always has a chance due to statistical entropy to spit out something random. This can be a minor error or catastrophic if you are talking about complex systems.
>>522099477>>522099191Again you might as well be claiming we've been in a bullrun since 1930. That's how fucking worthless your statements are. Stop claiming I'm mad when you're so assblasted you can't even wait for a response before posting again. I genuinely recommend you read >>522099191 this again once you've calmed down so you hear just how desperate you are for a random stranger on the internet to stop telling you you're wrong.
As AI takes over more and more of the internet, people are going to use it less and less except for niche uses or direct communication with people they already know.Only elites push it this hard because it theoretically leads to cheaper labor with even less standards
>>522099783>Again you might as well be claiming we've been in a bullrun since 1930on what basis? has the s&p 500 (if it had existed) doubled every 5 years since 1930? lol no, that is obviously unprecedented. You're just arguing in bad faith, which is obvious to me and probably to every lurker, but what mystifies me is why you'd do this>you hear just how desperate you are for a random stranger on the internet to stop telling you you're wrong.you think I'm looking for validation?you are poor, I doubt you even trade lmaoTell me coping failed normalfag, why do you do this?
>>522099973>on what basis?You're just ignoring the markets osing a third of their value in the matter of weeks by just saying they eventually recovered and went up a lot by calling them corrections. That's not how it these terms work. If a stock index crashes 30% its a fuckign crash, It the end of a bullrun if one is going on. If the markets spend six months dropping 25%, that'a bear market even if it's just six months. It not complicated.What you're doing is picking a handful of assets and saying things are going great. When you say things like tech is doing great, you're talking about five or so companies in total. The market has thousands of companies in tech and most of them aren't in some epic bullrun. Ignore the top ten companies of the major indexes and most of the market peaked years ago. This is common knowledge. That's your "golden bullrun" that's been going since 2017-2018, and again you've made zero effort to even remotely justify starting at that date. You haven't even bothered making up a definition on your own.>you think I'm looking for validation?Anon, everything you've said reeks of justifying a sense of superiority while defending the most asinine statement. Just beind told you're wrong has spent you into a fucking tailspin where you've continually resorted to the most petty nonsense imaginable while maintaining you're somehow above it all. You're obviously not, just come back tomorrow and read this reply chain with a rested mind and think about how you sound.
>>522101240>resorted to the most petty nonsense imaginable while maintaining you're somehow above it all. You're obviously not, just come back tomorrow and read this reply chain with a rested mind and think about how you sound.When did I say or even imply that I was above anything? I've said the opposite in multiple posts, e.g. >>522096524. You just wrote an essay to try to explain whatever mental gymnastics you're doing to deny >>522099477 which you ignored outright. Every single market category has moved in an unprecedented way over the last 5-7 years, especially over the last 2-5 years... all of them. Even if you can find some historical precedent, it's still a relatively extreme scenario. I'm 36, I've been trading--actively managing my portfolio--since I was 18. Have you? Do you even trade?You can't even answer that question. You can't answer what the point of your posts is. This will probably be my last reply to you unless you can offer some insight into your psyche beyond this repeated condescension>sorry bud cool off and come backok but you are poor and don't trade
>>522091128The tide moves in, the tide moves out, but ultimately, the Moon is rising./thread
>>522102007>When did I say or even imply that I was above anything?>>522096524 >no I don't care about your arbitrary status indicators>>522097408 >i literally don't care what you thinkDo you not understand that claiming to not care about something is claiming its beneath your concern? Nobody sane would look at your replies and thinks "Yeah man, this guy is completely chill and totally doesn't care what anyone else thinks."
>>522096969>being wrongclassic
>>522102406>Nobody sane would look at your replies and thinks "Yeah man, this guy is completely chill and totally doesn't care what anyone else thinks."are you living in an alternate reality? you think I'm trying to portray myself as "chill"? you are like 15 years old and watched a "video essay" about trading and now you want to come into a thread and daydream out loud to the detriment of those around you about being a trader. I'm justifiably calling you a fucking retard, I'm not trying to portray myself as "chill"you are stupid, but more than that, you are coping hardstay poor
>>522102627>you think I'm trying to portray myself as "chill"Claiming you don't care about something inherently doing so, yes. I know autistic people have some issues trying to understand metaphorical language but this makes you look like someone who barely even understand the basics of the English language well beyond what even an autistic person should be having problems with.
