>Have Europeans lost their minds?In their peace plan, Ukraine is portrayed as if it were the victor of the war.How could Putin possibly accept such a peace plan?Why do Europeans, who are so poor they can barely afford food, always try to pretend they're the masters of the world?
It's really unhelpful of them to publish that
>>522097305Unless washington, london, brussels are nuked, this whole thing is a loss for humanity.
>>522097305>How could Putin possibly accept such a peace plan?Perhaps to stop the slaughter of russians in the battlefield.
>>522097444kek'd and check'd
1. Draft piggers2. Van piggers3. Roundhouse kick a pigger into the frontline.4. Slam dunk a pigger conscript into the trench.5. Bomb filthy hohols.6. Send missile into a pigger barracks.7. Launch piggers into the minefield.8. Drone piggers in a cauldron.9. ...
>>522097305>Ukraine can still join NATO>Russia pays Ukraine reparations.Delusional.
>>522097485Russia is occupying Ukraine, so they don't need to beg for anything from the country they occupy.
>>522097305How cute. The euro poors think they have voice in this. To sum up their gym as soon, Ukraine will receive gibs from Russia and the US. Nice plan Ursula. Now try to enforce it.
>>522097305Russia's post-war settlement goals will be directly proportionate to the amount of damage EU caused to European/Russian security, lives, economies.On territory:1. Russia will require full control of all 4 oblasts (Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson)2. Full or partial control of Odessa oblast3. Full or partial control of Kharkiv oblastOn sanctions:1. Full or partial lifting of sanctions related to energy and fossil fuel trade between Russia and rest of Europe2. Restored access to SWIFT for RussiaOn Kyiv:1. Immediate elections. Russia will not sign any deals with Zelensky because it's risky from a legally-binding perspective to use his signatures2. Investigations, arrests of everyone in the Ukrainian government and military who was involved in war crimes and embezzlement3. Reduction of Ukraine's army size to ~250,000 active personnel4. Ban on Ukraine's membership in EU/NATO5. Restoration of rights for the use of Russian language in public spaces, schools, institutionsEverything else in the post-war settlement will be minor logistical additions. Cannot comment much on the 300 billion assets settlement. But you can screenshot my post on how things will end. Because either they end this way, or we're looking at WW3 within 5 years from now.
>>522097305Proposal:1. Russians retreat from all ukrainian lands, Germany, Moldova, Estonia and Latvia. Russians hand back over Karelia and Königsberg, respect ukraines borders as pre 2014 and the parts of Estonia and Latvia that were annexed after 1930s.2. Russians pay reparations to cover the war related damage the people, economy and infrastructure of ukraine have suffered.3. Russia reimburses ukraine and allies all expenses of the defense and aid of ukraine and ukrainians aswell as the expenses of harbouring ukrainian refugees.4. Russia documents dismantling of all of its ICBMs, intermediate range missiles, long range bombers, submarine and navy ships.5. Only after all of the above has been verified by international observers trade and diplomatic relations with russia are normalized.6. Failure to do so results in arming ukraine and hopefully additional nations joining the conflict with an active role until surrender or factual submission, absolute and universal sanctions, no trade, no payment, no nothing until conditions are Iran, North Korea and worse.God knows why people put up with the russians shit at all.
>>522098547>my fever dream delusions while i was gooning
>>522097305>Why do Europeans, who are so poor they can barely afford foodyou eat dogs chingchong. your little micropeen army would be as much of a paper tiger as roosha.
>>522098632How comes you think russia is in any position to make demands?Because trump grew tired of it and doesn't want to keep throwing some loose change t it and the remainder of the west is relatively disinterested and harsly comitted?That hardly puts them into a position where they can state demands.Meanwhile the rest of the world has a legitimate interest not to live in a world where negroid people hoard weapons that require expensive preventative measures. It is better to disarm them and keep them in their ancestral lands.
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>>522099151>How comes you think russia is in any position to make demands?because Russia feels very comfortable with current state of the war. For them any peace-deals at this point are just noise and waste of resources. Russians won't make demands, they will just force them onto Kyiv.
>>522099266Well I guess in that case the negro grinder must keep on grinding negros and the potato shortages will have to keep on going.If only people in the west had a spine and already cut the fuckers off from all trade and payment and refrained from propping up energy prices.
>>522097305It’s a simple game They know they have got nothing if the US says Ukraine has to sign This is just their smokescreen to try and justify their existence>we made a perfect agreement but evil trump said noThey are trying to save face but they know it’s over
>>522099817Quick reminder that Germany, UK, France and Italy all are european countries that have a larger economy than that of russia, each.It goes without saying that armed conflict always boils down to an economical question.As such, the people of say, germany, having twice the economical prowess of the russian nation, would only have to endure half of the renuncation the russian people endure as a result of the war, to be able to single handedly elevate ukraine to a position of parity.All of the nations mentioned above putting in 20% of GDP would mean russia can not, under no circumstances, not even when choosing to give up on feeding their civilian population, match the effort.Pretty comfortable for europe. Just practice some abstinence from various measures of demonstrating superiority, like arbitarily admitting and feeding third worlders for a few years and you wont even feel it while russians find themselves between a rock and a hard place, having to choose to admit defeat and sign whatever conditions or give their last potato to the great patriotic effort.
>>522097305Why tf does this board call itself /pol when you dumb cunts can't figure out global politics 101? The whole idea is to keep Ukraine and Russia fighting for as long as possible. The longer the war goes on, the more Russia has to change their society to wartime structures. It's easy to do that, but it's a major pain in the ass to turn it back afterward. If a war goes on for long enough, when it's time to go back to peace, the country cannot function internally anymore. It then either has to declare war again (while already being exhausted from fighting a long one) or it has to break up into smaller states.
>>522097305> Have Europeans lost their minds?Never had any.
>>522097305> How could Putin possibly accept such a peace plan?He is not supposed to and this is part of their plan to prevent peace before the very last Hohol is wasted.
>>522099266Kek, yeah because they care less about russians than the rest of the world. Since they were unable to win this war quickly in early 22 everything russia did was trying to seem strong and save face. It's an absolut clusterfuck of russian uncompetence which they are happy to continue because they want to be perceived as strong.
>>522098450>4. Ban on Ukraine's membership in EU/NATOThis is the true dealbreaker. There is no reason why Ukraine would accept a treaty without them being part of NATO as a guarantee.Hell, I would dare to say they could accept everything else but if you include them in NATO as part of the final treaty.
>>522101302Partially this. Russia is doomed either way. Relations/trade with the west won't recover for decades. The russian sphere of influence, even in the caucasus, has all but vanished and they are currently becoming more and more dependant on China. Instead of maintaining and expanding their sphere of influence they are becoming nothing more than another country in China's sphere of influence and a heavily dependant one at that. Truth be told the EU is also a defacto vasal of the US but at least isn't completly dependant. Either way the US and China won this one. The US gets an energy dependant EU and China gets Russian resources.
>>522097305the european proposal obligates the US to provide security guarantees how the fuck do these niggers think they can make us the enforcer of their proposed plan for peace between two other nations?
No both sides enlightened bros for Europe? Only for Russia?
>>522101302turn off your memeflag if you're actually going to make quality posts
>>522101948Ukrops historically had security guarantees, from russia. Those proved quite unreliable. So I personally wouldn't blame them for not falling for it twice. And I too see how US - American guarantees might prove similarly unreliable.For once if you read the Trump plan, every item concerning russia comes with a conditional. Conditionals that are obviously in place to provide loopholes. A staged but superficially credible 'first strike' is all it takes for the enforcing party to back out, when they are in a time where internal matters for example signal that they would rather not be part of international worries.On the other hand guarantees like EU and especially NATO suffer from a diffwrent problem: Everyone being too chicken to just rape russia or iran and similar shit out of existence, 'unless the others join in', essentially ending with a situation where everyone is waiting on the next guy, the situation drags on, people get accustomed to the new level of escalation and eventually everyone does nothing again because some negro threatened 'muh nukes' and the boomer population is still unironically spooked by 'muh nuke ICBM'.
