Why are socialists always such massive hypocrites?
>>522104856How so?
>>522104856Also which type of socialists and socialism?
>>522104856give me one genuine reason why socialism is bad. I'll wait.
>>522104856
He's based
>>522105043you can't name a single positive
>>522104856because they are retarded
>>522104856I’m a socialist and I fucking hate this faggot lmao
>>522104856always within a capitalist system
>shocks dogs>his fans still love him
>>522105077More time with your family.Healthcare.Stability Societal cohesion.Lower taxes (foreign wars cost $$).
>>522105043It’s figurehead activists are all cunts
>>522105075>He's basedNo he is not his is a ghlobolist, Silver Spoon Commie bitch, Leftyz, Redditor, Fake Poor Person faggot.
>>522104856Capitalism is so all powerful that it can literally sell socialism as entertainment to socialists.
>>522105241nice list but none of those are related to socialism though
what is that in real money like 5 dollars?
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>>522104856Because every socialist and communist still wants wealth and power, there are no true benevolent socialists/commies in existence, or we’d all be on that program by now,
>>522104856Because Socialism only appears to the spiritually defeated and those whose worldview never matured beyond childhood. Wealth corrupts a man's perception of himself, his growth is stifled, and he never acquires the wisdom to look himself in the mirror.
>>522105280Your telling me none of that applies to Sweden or Norway as compared to current USA?Sweden doesn't have societal cohesion?
>>522105314enough for me to get my cock sucked by your sister all night, bitch.
>>522105448Like the swedes, Amish, Norwegians and hutterites.
I mean, I would argue socialism is winning global superpower..so I maybe wouldnt speak to soon
>>522105155He's sexy AF
>>522104856No wonder he likes China so much it's exactly what hes doing on a country scale.The Chinese like nothing more then to flex wealth and status while calling themselves communist.
>>522105562You mean Europe and Japan I assume. Not the capitalist giants of China and US.
>>522105451>YourOpinion discarded.
>>522105626>shitskinlmao
>>522105077Less time worrying about your material conditions means you get to spend more time doing things you like. Less mental stress, less burn out
>>522105718I accept your concession and lack of rebuttals.
>>522104856Trustfund communist
>>522105851Communist and socialist are pretty different.Are you sure you meant to use communist? Do you know the difference?
>>522104856When Hasan traveled to Tiananmen square he was detained and put through reeducation. They advised him not to shock his dog because it'd turn the meat bad.
>>522105408>true benevolent socialists/commiesIt's what they call utopian socialism, but it's truly pathetic that modern-day commies are not even trying to seize power for the workers and instead obsess over protecting their liberal salon and pet gayniggers.They're weaponized to maintain the status quo, forcing unilateral concessions on the majority of workers while silencing dissent by demanding they not divide class consciousness. Fucking assholes. They should be executed first.
>>522105077Socialism: mutuality, democracy, cooperation, moderation, solidarity, dignity.Capitalism: exploitation, despotism, competition, gluttony, discord, bitternessThink of it this way: a socialist world wouldn’t be a utopia, it wouldn’t be easy, all our problems wouldn’t vanish overnight, but at least you’d be living and working for your fellow man who’s got your back instead of the rich jackass who hates you.
>>522105279This
>>522105043Socialism is bad because it destroys prices and incentives. Without real private property there are no accurate prices, so nobody knows what anything costs or what people actually want. Central planners guess wrong every time, creating shortages of essentials and piles of useless junk. Black markets and repression always follow.Every single attempt ends the same way: stays desperately poor and authoritarian like Cuba Venezuela North Korea, or quietly brings back markets and becomes capitalist while pretending otherwise like China Vietnam, or was never actually socialist to begin with like Sweden and Norway which are high-freedom capitalist economies with big welfare states funded by oil, timber, iron ore and very profitable private companies.Sweden tried going harder left in the 1970s, got massive inflation and capital flight, then deregulated in the 1990s to fix it. Nordic "socialism" is a meme.You can have universal healthcare and long parental leave under normal capitalism: look at Germany, Switzerland, Singapore. The UK's fully socialized NHS already has millions on waiting lists and worse cancer outcomes than many capitalist countries.In short: socialism promises equality and delivers bread lines, secret police, or a new class of party millionaires. After 150 years and over 100 tries there is still not one single large-scale example that worked without poverty, collapse or abandoning the project.That's why it's bad.
>>522105946No no no, you got it all wring, the more the animal suffers the better the meat tastes, all Chinese know this
>>522106134How do you explain China? "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"Norway?Sweden?The hutterites?The Amish?Or many other successful socialist movements and communities?
>>522106134>nOOOO NOT MUH HECKIN PRICES
>>522106088Your fellow man would shoot you in the back of your retarded commie head and kick your bleeding corpse into a ditch before the next commie retard does the same to him before his gun even has a chance to stop smoking.
>>522105946That low tier police probably got imprisoned or hanged. They literally invited him there to promote their country so that dumbfuck police did a big fuck up there.
>>522106305You sound like a incredibly sane and reasonable person perfect for societal cohesion and a high trust society overall.Your definitely not the problem and your views definitely are rational and sane.
>>522106243He literally explained China, Sweden and Norway in his post you illiterate dipshit, try actually reading before you ctrl+v your bullshitFaggot
>>522106243China isn’t socialist anymore. Mao’s planned economy starved tens of millions and left the country poorer than most of Africa. Deng came in 1978, gave farmers private plots, opened special economic zones, let people start businesses, welcomed foreign investment, created stock markets, and said “to get rich is glorious.” Today 80-90% of the economy is private, workers own nothing, a few party families and billionaires own everything big. The second they stopped real socialism the country exploded with growth. They just keep the communist label for legitimacy and censorship.Norway and Sweden are regular capitalist countries with high taxes. Most big firms (IKEA, Volvo, H&M, Spotify, Ericsson, Tetra Pak) are 100% private. Norway’s wealth is North Sea oil money taxed heavily. When Sweden actually tried hardcore socialism in the 70s and 80s (massive public sector, 100%+ marginal taxes, wage-earner funds to seize companies) they got 500% inflation, companies fleeing, and a banking crisis. They fixed it in the 90s by cutting taxes, privatizing, and deregulating. They rank higher than the US on economic freedom indexes for business and trade. “Nordic socialism” is a meme.Hutterites and Amish are tiny religious sects (50-70 thousand people total) who live like it’s 1650, shun or kick out anyone who disagrees, and make their living selling overpriced quilts and furniture to outsiders living under capitalism. It’s a cult model, not something you can scale to millions who aren’t willing to give up electricity and cars.Every single time real socialism (worker ownership or central planning of the whole economy) gets tried on a national scale it either stays poor and authoritarian forever or quietly reintroduces markets and private property and gets rich. Over a hundred attempts, zero successes that actually kept the core socialist rules and stayed prosperous. That’s the entire track record.
>>522104856Because it never worksThey either go into communism or fascism
>>522106303yeah lol “prices are le heckin bourgeois invention” until you run out of bread, toilet paper, medicine, and baby formula at the same time and the only people who have any are the party boss’s cousin and the dudes willing to suck him off for a roll of TP.prices are just reality telling you what’s scarce and what people actually want. remove them and you’re flying blind with a 5-year plan written by some gender-studies graduate in an office 800 miles away. that’s why every socialist country ends up with empty shelves and a new elite driving imported mercedes.keep coping though, the venezuelan diet worked great for chavez’s daughter’s billion-dollar bank account
>>522106392Ok I don't think you understand what socialism is?>>This policy failed and they stopped doing it so all socialist ideas failed.Also there are like several different types of socialism spoken about in a singular post.It be like me lumping feudalism, capitalism, and dictatorships all into the same group and calling it capitalism.Pick a country and we can discuss it's socialist policies.
>>522104856obsessed
Why are you too retarded to understand rich people exist in socialism?
>>522106134>Every single attempt ends the same way: stays desperately poor and authoritarian like Cuba Venezuela North Korea, or quietly brings back markets and becomes capitalist while pretending otherwise like China VietnamI made this exact argument in the last commie thread I visited. Based and obviously true. Also, the USSR got subsidized grain from the US for 50 years so our kikes could keep their fake big bad enemy from starving.
>>522106602I'm not discussing anything with you retard, just pointing out you didn't even read his post before you replied to it like a complete faggot
>>522106403There is a lot factually wrong with your post.Have a chicken.
>>522106602>there are like several different types of socialismNo, there is only one type of socialism. You can't enforce non-private ownership of the means of production without authoritarian rule. Don't be about to start confusing welfare states with socialism.
>>522104856Because socialists don't view themselves as workers but instead as temporarily embarrassed party leadership.
>>522106403I will agree Sweden and Norway are more welfare capitalist than socialist but I don't think anyone on 4chan is going to know or care about the difference.
Chinese workers are literally region locked lmao
>>522105043every country that tries it has a low standard of living >inb4 some capitalist country is listed as "socialist"
>>522105451Sweden currently has motherfuckers throwing hand grenades at each other. Norway suffers multiple islamic terrorist attacks.Both do not punish non-White criminals who committed rape or murder.Neither example should be followed.
>>522106814https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialismThe types of socialism page is what your after.
>>522106973I actually agree with you. Is the white Nordic socialist utopia meme finally over on 4chan? Have their shit holes decayed enough yet under capitalism lol.
>>522106814>>522106988Scroll down to socialist ideologies.I don't rememeber how many there are but I know it's more than a few.
>>522106305>least deranged fascist
>>522105043define socialsim
Communism is a natural jump for rich kids. You've lived your life off the largess of your father - isn't that how everyone should live?I really don't get why anyone's confused. That's exactly what daddy taught him, even if he ranted at the dinner table about merit or whatever gay shit he pretends to believe in.
>>522107168Which one....Or just the idea overall? The idea overall is collective skin in the game.But if you're ant to get specific.Utopian socialismScientific socialismCommunismMarxismAnarchismDemocratic socialismEco-socialismLiberal socialismLibertarian socialismRegional socialismReligious socialismSyndicalismPick one.
>>522104856Explain in words and not feefees how OP is not communist?
SOCIALISM IS WHEN THERE'S NO MONEY
>>522107390*socialist
>>522104892he worships money and materialism idiot
>>522107390Because he believes in class and some private ownership.Thus excluding him from communist which is classless.China calla themselves communist as propaganda to convince ifs own citizens they are all of the same social class even as some of them live in tier 1 cities and others die in fields.He literally calls himself a socialist and hits the markers over communist..so he isn't a communist.
>>522105451multicultural and multiethnic countries will never have social cohesion. it's time for you to grow up
>>522105451>Sweden>societal cohesionWhy don't you ask the brown 3rd worlders raping everyone and throwing grenades at buildings lmao
>>522107453Does wealth not exist under socialism?As far as I know democratic socialism still has classes.
>>522107560The end goal of socialism is communism, as described by Lenin himself. So, no.
>>522105043Socialism can only work in a homogeneous society. When there is an odd one out, it causes immediate dissonance that socialism can't function upon.
>>522107554Because I don't care what happens to the swedes.I'm not swedish. It's just funny watching their country die In 40 years while ours has been doing hard capitalism for 250 and we're still at least a danger to 99% of the world.>>522107551I think it's childish to think you can stop people from fucking other races.People love to fuck.They love to fuck alot.They love to fuck slot of different people.Are you going to stand between every single horny teen and anyone impure?Do you genuinely believe that's possible? Throughout human history you can't stop interbreeding and it's childish to think you can stop me from dumping a fat load into Asian pussy.
>>522107551Oh you said multicultural.Na agree. Societal cohesion comes from a agreed culture even if the agreed culture is a mix of many.But it does have to be a collective culture.Read it as multi racial. That's my bad.
>>522104856John Lennon was a communist that owned a Rolls-Royce.
>>522104856That swarthy faggot is legit an awful person. You ever know or read about a person that is so irredeemably shitty that their non-existence would benefit all of collective humanity? Well, here ya go.
>>522107649So the end goal of 1/12 socialism is communism?We can simply not do that one idiot.We can do one of the other types of socialism like the one that's face rolling us from China.
>>522106529>food and everything else in reality just can't exist without muh heckin prices and stonks and financial instrumentsThis level of brainrot is tragic.I'm remind of the >(((landlords))) create housing. without landlords everyone would be homeless!argument
>>522107854We were doing just fine as a multicultural country up until the 2010s when they pit us against each other
>>522106814>authoritarianWhose authority is being taken away? Ponder that.>NOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY THE AUTHORITY OF WALL STREET!!!1
>>522106529Prices of goods are dictated by the capital owners that sell said goods, and in postmodern society where most of the populace can never dream of being capital owners, the authority is given wholly to the owner of production. When inflation occurs, THEY are the ones that drive up the price, most often without actual assertation of impacted inventory, merely as a tool of speculation. The neoliberal news proliferate stories of scarcity panic, or income of the consumer increases-- the capital owner works in harmony with their hawking friend, all while ensuring the reality of the "market" and "governing" lies with in their craft. The speculation ideally leads to profit, their wealth increases, and with it, their police and state protection, as neoliberal government exists as a mechanism to promote society's goals if the favor of capital owners' afterall, and the police must proportionally defend their authority more than the rights of the laborer or consumer. A communist society still includes trade and commerce-- market dynamics will exist as they naturally should be. The authority will no longer lie with the capital owner, but split evenly between the seller and buyer, and bartering will organically occur.
>>522106814>encompassing diverse economic and political systemshave you tried reading your (((citation)))?
>>522107878he played 'imagine muh no possessions' on a £1m steinway piano
>>522107917The goal of every form of socialism is communism you dumb fuck. China went through Mao's shit, that's why they know it doesn't work. Countries that have not experienced the hardships of socialism/communism still yearn for it because they think "surely this time it will work" like a bunch of retarded lemmings
>>522105043No incentives
People seem to forget America has a long history of radical socialists along shit like giving you a 40 hour work week.Pensions.Vacation days.Your great grandfather was a socialist and told his boss "real nice factory, be a shame if it burnt down or something. I guess you could give me a pension about it".Then the elites won the class war and rolled back every single comfort you have in life till your in debt for a burrito and carpooling to work for 1980s wages.The war on poverty was fought and won and they been taking their spoils for the last 60 years.1952 congress hr 5678 52 congress Texas praviso legalized illegal labor.That it capitalism. Profit seeking and the profits come from the cheapest labor, which isn't you. So you can rot in a apartment and die alone worrying about birth rates never realizing birth rates were fixed. You stopped breeding in time for electronic workers.( AI), as scheduled.Have a good night boys. You sound like a bunch of house niggers telling master should have agency over your life.Enjoy your 80 hour week as a gig worker. It's the best system known to man.
>>522104856Communism failed but there's still plenty of leftoid dipshits to be exploited by grifters like Piker.
>>522107947Multiculturalism works under socialism as long as the structure is agreed upon as regional socialism.Then it's just kinda like collective states and people will sort into whatever culture they prefer.World isn't simple and almost any system could work in theory. But this one's pretty much untested anywhere. Most socialist countries do have a primary agreed culture even if they let people do whatever culture they want in the background .ThinkAmerica is a Christian nation.China is a han nation.But that isn't true in either case because they have millions of different cultures behind that.World is alot more like soup than steak.
>>522108040The problem is the leaders have been retards. Mao didn’t even know how farming worked. Chavez didn’t know how to run an economy. Cuba was a banana republic it was doomed to fail. Stalin was a prick, and focused more on subverting American influence
>>522107485You wrote all of that for no reason at all I literally made the first reply say i meant socialist You are stupid
>>522108535Oh true. Everyone had their own cultures at home, but to other people there was an agreed upon ‘American’ culture
>>522106088It's amazing how people still think this way in terms of "Socialism vs capitalism." Can't you fucking retards see that people are either good or bad and it's not a result of an economic system? Do you really think forcing any economic systems down people's throats is going to magically turn them into good honest people ? Stupid fuck. Are you fucking retarded or something? duuuuhhhhh duuhhhh we make good mutual cooperation socialism duuhhhhh duhhh capitalism = bad gluttony. If we just put the right set of rules in place it will prevent people from being stupid, greedy animals because that makes fucking sense . Here's an idea, go try your socialism experiment on the niggers in Africa , come back and tell us how it goes.
>>522104892soshalismus is when no ifone, no money and no food (except potato) sweaty
>ITT: idiots defend socialism, but can't be bothered to build a raft and escape the dreaded capitalist state
Progressives are always hypocrites. But in the Netherlands the socialist party and the most far right party are the only two non-hypocritical parties (of the 19 we have).In the socialist party every politician hands over their entire wage to the party (which is at least 162k USD a year). And they get a modal wage in return.Despite not being socialist, I do respect them for it.
>>522106403>China isn't socialist anymore>Socialism never worksHousing. The answer is always housing. Most of the money I make and spend goes towards housing, which in America and Australia is increasingly unaffordable via rampant speculation by property owners. In China, housing is largely state-owned, and even if you reject the affordable shelter the government can provide you, there's plenty of shelter around that's been built for the purpose of sheltering, not speculation. Compared to the US, where more and more are becoming homeless and occupying parks and highway ramps, China's governmental policy reflects functioning socialism. You can critique the one party Authoritarian structure of the Chinese government, but it still must abide by the mass line to ensure its authority as the arbiter of the public, of enacting policies that prioritize the wellbeing & prosperity of all its subjects. Prior to Xi, it could be conjectured that it was moving towards corruption & unaccountability, towards a truly farcical dictatorship of the proletariat, the more reforms it made. In liberal democracies, you choose been welfare policies or reactionary policies, with no realistic option of prying the goal of governance away from the oligarchic capital owners. You loose the option to vote reactionary, the capital owners will cry foul. If you loose too much welfare (not even to the point where you're unhoused) your education suffers. Your health suffers & you're stressed easier. If you can vote you vote reactionary out of fear and spite, or don't have the time or see the point in voting. Capitalism doesn't reign because it works opposed to other forms of governance. It reigns because when it fails, it perpetuates its preservation, whereas Socialism exists to provide an ideology to overthrow and replace the oppressive, coercive nature of Capitalism. Defending it against socialism, like of conservativism itself, is always futile.
>>522104856I don't know, man. One thing I will say about Hasan though is that he has some of the coolest eyewear. Dude is always wearing a different pair and they all look great with special tints and everything.
>>522104856i literally didn't know who this guy was until he set his dog on fire or whatever, now it seems he's everywhere
>>522108040>>522107917>the end goal of 1/12 socialism is communism? >We can simply not do that one idiot. >We can do one of the other types of socialism like the one that's face rolling us from China.You both are fucking retarded.....I hope you both die in the ditch.
>>522108070Self betterment and prestige are socialist currency.If you can’t see that and need trinkets to obtain it then you belong in the past.There’s one life and it is objectively immoral and evil to profit from another’s toil.
>>522110123The socialist party is also the richest party in the Netherlands. Because of the politicians across the country handing over their wages lol.
>>522104856They aren't doing this all "caring for the poor" for free you know. There has always been very good money in it as it's essentially just a (forced) money-transfer business with them being in control of all the cash-flow. No human has been born yet which could resist the temptation and they don't try in the first place. It's always been a racket all the way down.
>>522110909>We only take other people money (not our own money mind you) because we need it to care for the pooor!Seriously, who the fuck could believe this shit. 12 years olds shouldn't already.EVEN if _originally_ that would have been the case then rest assured that countless crooks has seen the opportunity and completely overtaken the movement.
>>522104856Because communism is a scam. So communists are all scammers. Pyramid schemes are illegal. Communism should also be illegal for the same reasons. Also make male infant genital mutilation illegal.
>>522110909>No human has been born yet which could resist the temptation and they don't try in the first place.Socialists fervently _reject_ traditional morality. They ADMIT that they make up their own "ethics" as they go.>Seriously, who the fuck could believe this shit.
>>522104856Hypocrisy is part of the nature of both Christians and socialists. In fact, these two words are almost always interchangeable in Nietzsche.
>>522105043Because it fails when you run out of other people’s money.
>>522105043That’s only hard to answer if you are talking about national socialism
>>522106954Yeah Communist China is really suffering>inb4 some capitalist country is listed as "socialist"Awww so insecure you have to give yourself a premature unstoppable force field no take backsies. If deep down you know you're objectively wrong why bother posting?
>Loves capitalism>Surprised a socialist takes advantage of it tooWowie
Capitalism serves the interests of capital ownersSocialism serves the interests of society
>>5221050431991.
>>522106134>delivers bread lines, secret police, or a new class of millionairesin the west we call this cost of living, intelligence agencies, and philanthropists
>endlessly advocates for infinite migration from 3rd world, subsaharan infinite niggers and pajeets everywhere>all of his friends are european white people
>>522111427>Seriously, who the fuck could believe this shit.I can actually answer that. No one does, not even socialists themselves.Both socialist politicians AND socialist voters simply WANT to just steal other people's money; it's as simple. And this is one of the reasons that socialist systems must collapse as you cannot build a thriving, competitive civilization if its foundation is theft. Just like you couldn't make it on cannibalism.
>>522114610And Hassan is a socialist hero because he has made it: he duped enough suckers to live a comfortable, parasitic life.
>>522114933The short end of the stick is being given to the "poor" people who vote for socialists in hope that they will steal some stuff _for them_ (kek).It's like the classic con when someone engages in an illegal and unethical business and then is being robbed blind by the organizers and laughed in the face as they have no legal recourse - because the "business deal" was illegal in first place.The socialist "poor" get what they deserve. The sad thing is that they can take the whole fucking civilization to hell with them.
to be godly is such a high task. we often associate socialists with godless, not quite what they think
>>522105043When none of the means of production are publicly owned, the welfare state turns into a means to subsidise private profits essentially turning the economy into a giant pyramid scheme. The people on welfare rely on the system so they have no way to oppose anything imposed on them lest they be cut off from it. The workers who earn enough not to qualify for welfare also end up being essentially slaves because they pay taxes and end up with even less buying power and independence than the people on welfare.Everyone but the asset-owning 1% will be continually squeezed into poverty and a lower standard of living to maintain profits.The elite seem to be engaged in a wealth extraction game of chicken with the rest of society where they attempt to control every available asset while the people below have absolutely nothing.It could genuinely end up in a Hunger Games type of society.
>>522106088Yeah, human nature simply doesn't work like that because the vast majority of people are greedy, selfish pieces of shit and you just can't get around that.All of these grand plans almost instantly become corrupted because corrupt people have no shame or guilt about what they're doing. Unless you create a system where those people are immediately dealt with and exorcised from society, then you will never achieve anything and there are probably more of them than there are of you, because people are cheap.
>>522104856He should just stay in China and shut the fuck up if it's so perfect, he should encourage his fans to as well. He speaks of it like it's his dream country.
>>522104856Not just socialists;anyone who insists people abide by a system they expect others to proceed in but they would never do themselves.It's the same with mass immigration; they'd never let strangers unvetted into their own homes. It's the same with abortion; they'd want to do it if they were in a dire situation. And of course it's the same with property rights; they'd want to own their own home and be okay with others being forced out of their own homes if they were just as wealthy.
>>522110272You are the type of person we might forget about inside of a mine so we can have nice things.
>>522104856This faggot's uncle is a libtard party founder/member in here.
>>522110162I will copy and pasted this to piss off right leaning retards.
>>522118017And of course, he is ballz deep ZOGGED.
>>522113372then why does argentina need a 40 billion dollar bailout? seems like free market capitalism also dosent work when you run out of other peoples money
>>522118177But trump gave them my money so they would fail on 2 weeks instead of 2 days.So they got other people's money and still failed..meanwhile Cuba, isolated, is like a paradise with cars from the 50s and a doctor to patient ratio the USA can only dream of.The cold hard truth is capitalism kills socialism anytime it rises up because socialism works and it would expose the flaws of the capitalists to such a degree they would lose their standing on the world.They can't let you know there is a way other than wage slavery at Walmart and they will spend every dollar you have to make sure you don't.
>>522104856thats not socialism. he gets honest earned money from ads and donations.socialism money us collected at gunpoint
>>522107724it's this simple. fuck other people that don't look like me
>>522105043I'll give multiple>has it ever worked?>human greed/avarice>diversity (socialism doesn't work when there isn't a unified identity)>you are not entitled to the fruits of anothers' laborNeed I go on?
>>522104856news flash: the purpose of socialism is not to make everyone poor, its to make everyone have money and live a decent lifestyle, hence why most northwest european countries are dominated the the Social Democrat party
>>522104856He's not a socialist, he's a grifter Watch as the Overton window shifts, so too, will his opinion.
>>522119858I been following this guy since before he hit YTs and his opinion hasn't really changed.Not trying to give him credit, but there is plenty to criticize him over without just straight up lying. He's been one of the few consistent talking heads.
