Or entire clusterfuck with leaks of several versions and quarrel between US and Europe was Russian goal itself?Also, is Steve Witkoff genuinely retarded?
No peace deal, to the last ukraine. fuckers ruined stalker 2.
>>522117512Any peace deal that won't see the retreat of the Russian army is going to be rejected by the media
>>522117512Marco Rubio is looking more and more like a leprotic fish with every passing day.
>>522117555Checked and shut the fuck up. No one cares about your gay game. Fuck the Ukraine and Russia
>>522117512he's a stunad of the first magnitude
>>522117653Well he's already in a leper colony called Florida
like some retarded version of ww2 where down syndrome hitler gets stopped in poland and orange chamberlin cant get anyone on board
>>522117669WOP detected. I'm calling ice
>>522117608Not just retreat, but basically unconditional surrender. They don’t care about peace, they just want Russia to lose.
>>522117512Not retarded, compromised. And now, all these peace plan talks are only to give Trump excuses to cut aid.You give russians an inch and they'll take a mile.
>>522117512The breakdown of Trump's plan by a Russian:https://www.mk.ru/politics/2025/11/22/cherez-3-goda-rossii-obyavyat-voynu-vyyasnilos-kovarstvo-mirnogo-plana-trampa.htmltl;dr We won't.inb4>hurr durr I can't read in RussianYou will.
>>522117972Is Rus not happy with the plan?
>>522117512witkoff is a russian jewhe is not retarded, he just has his own allegiances. trump keeps him on because russian jews like witkoff have no shame and will make sure he comes off as a trump loyalist to him
>>522118068Witkoff is a Bulgarian jew but yes
>>522117682lol accurate summary, most retarded and pointless war in history. I hope it continues for a long time
>>522117702>They don’t care about peace, they just want Russia to lose.Because that's the only way of reaching lasting peace, basically. As long as Russia is capable and willing to wage a conflict against "collective west", it will, no matter what Russian president signes.
>>522118052It's Minsk 3.It offers no solution and it's unenforcable by Russia.
>>522118159he is ashkenazi jewish, his grandparents migrated from russia
This 28 point plan is a sprawling meandering mess.Fools will spend years trying to figure out this shit meanwhile Russia keeps crawling forward.
>>522117512russia had absolutely nothing to do with the plan, didn't it
>>522117972>hurr durr we won't be allowed to attack Ukraine anymore>absolutely unacceptableDude.
Any plan that doesn't involve Putin surrendering to the Hague is a non-starter.
>>522117512Do you want actual answer?It is a distraction from epstein, simple as that.Trump and Putin drafted agreement in Alaska and then Trump just did 180 turn few days later after talking to people who're rEALLY running the countryNow they're pretending there is a plan and everyone needs to sign it FAST while it is actually unacceptable for Russia and needs very prolonged discussion before being implemented.USA is essentially ran by real estate agents who simply doesn't know how diplomacy and politics work.Anyway, war goes on and ukraine is losing
>>52211751228 points were just the conversation starter600k was never a reasonable figure, 200k barely is, for one
>>522118839more or less
>>522118896Russia won't agree to reduce their army to 600k, much less 200k.
>>522118711Russicisms indicate that first, leaked draft wasn't just translated from Russian, that was translated to Russian from English - it's original form was written in Russian and then translated to English.
>>522119002never meant Russia, kiddo
>>522117512So did Witkoff mix up the copies and no one bothered to review it before it was actually handed over?
>>522119041It's not like you have a choice. The terms of your surrender will get worse the longer you delay the inevitable.
>>522118172Ok so it's time to start lobbying for entry of Poland into the war because Ukraine alone can't force it.
>>522118339His grandparents were Bulgarian bro it was on his Wiki page until recently. Also Martin is a very common name here whilst nobody is called Martin in Russia. Someone edited this
>>522119125>It's not like you have a choicewhat?not signing piss is always an option, ladour terms are well known, and no amount of "talking" in Geneva will change them
>>522117512It's an US plan, the russian plan meme was just cope.Witkoff is obviously a russian plant.
>>522118159>Witkoff is a Bulgarian jewand now i knowthe -off part was pretty definitive, just didnt know hes from bulgarian tribe
>>522117608Too bad its not the media signing peace terms.>>522117512They will not. The whole thing was just for testing the waters. They know ukraine is collapsing, they know they are winning and they know that every single day that passes leaves them in a better and better position, so they aren't the ones in rush for peace. They are perfectly fine with floating incredibly lenient peace deals and let them argue about them and reject each and every one, cause it just helps them even more. Ukranian morale has been devastated already by the talks of "capitulation" in state media, and soldiers knowing that they are getting mulched defending areas that will get handed over anyway, the markets have priced in the Russian victory already, their economy got a breather of trust from investors.The west will seethe, the west will kvetch, the west will haggle, the west will retreat into denial, the west will use every single jewish trick but the west will lose, cause unless they are willing to put boots on the ground in ukraine, ukraine will lose and get only worse and worse deals until only unconditional surrender is on the table. >>522119025>RUSSIAN demands sent by RUSSIA, were in RUSSIAN Holy shit detective! You might be onto something! You think Putin is connected to this?!
>>522119386I yearn for when Hungary is kicked out of EU and they're back to being HIV rape town of Russia again.
>>522119253Reminder that Witkoff has literally zero experiences in international diplomacy. It's just some guy that Trump likes. Piggy chooses his cabinet worse than Hitler did.
>>522119309>offSome next generation immigrants abroad change the ov to off since apparently it's easier to pronounce for westerners. The actual name is Bиткoв
>>522119456No amount of seething will change facts. You trannies thought that kvetching on the internet and sharing cheems memes will somehow make Russia lose.
>>522119519I think in negotiations EU should just trade Hungary for Ukraine. Given how good you lot already are sucking the HIV mongol dick.
Most jews here have regular names and especially regular surnames. They are not Shlomo Goldsteinov but they have literal Bulgarian names. Some have an somewhat unusual first name, I encountered, but that's it
>>522118839>It is a distraction from epstein, simple as that.Trump head's absolutely occupied by Epstein right now, but moment of leaking the plan was chosen by Russian side.That or Witkoff really likes making himself look like an absolute retard.
>>522119538No amount of seething will change factt.The EU is not even invited to the negotiations.
>>522119583The incompetence of this administration is mind boggling. Literally just clueless boomers pressing shit on their iPhones hoping something will stick.
>>522119584What negotiations though it was already refused kek
>>522119130Russia is absolutely capable of falling down by itself, without any intervention from anyone. Just give it a time.
>>522119497>>522119568it all comes down to training your spider senses, so you wont need early life or even names morphology in the end
>>522119640Are you trying to retreat into denial or something? The negotiations are, and has been going on for quite a while by now. All these communication tricks are just part of the haggling.
>>5221196712 more weeks and Ukraine will break the landbridge and then the Chinese will invade Syberia xDDDDDD
>>522119671Kurwa, try to switch from the marxoid planned economy to the market, actual one without babushka-whoring under the fucking commies over all.
>>522119583Russia saw so-called "plan" only yesterday and Putin even chuckled when he talked about it.It's a joke, Russia is winning and winning hard, there is no reason for us to make stupid concessions now.Demilitarization, denazification, russian language, church and neutrality of so-called ukraine enshrined by constitution.Demobilization, withdrawal of all foreign troops and avisors and elections so anything that will be signed had any actual reality behind it because zelensky term ran out.
>>522120167>nothing beats dieslop
>>522117972>You will.2 more weeks
>>522118839>USA is essentially ran by real estate agents who simply doesn't know how diplomacy and politics work.Kek. The collective west actually, and it's been like this for decades.
>>522117512Stop spreading the lie Russia wrote that 28 point plan.Russia writes in 100 billion Russian money goes to Ukraine.Russia writes in EU entrance on fast lane.Russia writes in US security guarantees.Russia writes in Ukraine can have security guarantees with Germany, France, UK and so on their own terms.
>>522117512This is the same shit as tze Trump Russia hoax which is proven by no as a fake created and paid for by Hillary to support her election campaign.
>>522120167>Russia is winning and winning hard, there is no reason for us to make stupid concessions now.Dude, just because Russian army took over some Muchosransk and within a year will be capable to besiege Chujovsk, doesn't mean Russia is winning. Minor military gains do help regime to stay in power for little longer, but this comes with costs of turning Russia into ruin - economically, socially, technologically etc. In next several decades you'll do much worse because of this war, than you could without it.Only winner in this war is US of A. Even if it's run by clueless retards it seems.
>>522120765Holy shit, nafoids are still stuck on this cope train?
>>522117512>Also, is Steve Witkoff genuinely retarded?He is simply working for Russia.
>>522120800When are you moving back to russia?
>>522120875About the same time you move back to Albania.
>>522120875What does this cope even supposed to mean?
>>522120765I thought you wanted a serious conversation
>>522121087>carrying about own people is sillyThat Russian mindset is what turns Russia into shithole.
>>522121547>carrying about own people is sillythank you for explaining the reason for the SMO
>>522121603The reason is that you are violent thieving niggers who can't go against their nature.
>>522121603People are never concern of Russian goverment, or even other Russian people.
>>522121547you wouldn't say dumb shit like this if you actually had any background information on what have been happening in NATO-Russia relationships.I mean, what are you even doing here? Your understanding of the situation is on the pigeon level
>>522121734'k!>>522121824>People are never concern of wectern goverments, or even other wectern peopleftfy
>>522121842It's not like you are in the Russian government around Putin to know better bro. What a retarded discussion. If you finally win this or not the damage is done and there is no way for anyone outside of meme forums like this one to look at Russia or the Russian army as we used to pre-2022. It took you and still takes 4 years and counting to take what Hitler took in one afternoon. Let that sink in. And no im not a hohol in fact what I met on Ukrainians here were for the most part horrendous people. They even pull scams with sick children in our subways, so im not subjective here https://youtu.be/no0N8cIpdCoJust pack up and go home, you triggered this war you can end it. Winning is nobody except China and US
>>522122019I'm not reading this retarded drivel nigger, my patience ran out
>>522117608Yes, but nobody cares what the media thinks.
>>522122066What did you get out of this war?
>>522121888>meanwhile in Russia
>>522122171restoration of sovereignity and brighter future.
>>522122066Then leave it, I will not have sleepless nights over it lil bro
>>522122270>brighter futureLol
>>522121888You dont have that proble do you?>Just joking, yours cementaries are full as well but zigger indian bots have orders to spam this video>Just like russian white males have orders to suicidal rush enemy position
The desperation is so thick you can cut it with a knife
>>522122336things that are stopped thanks to sanctions1. all rich businessmen now turned back from west and started investing in Russia2. government woke up and started securing the informational space banning all glownigger NGOs3. government started jailing tons of people for corruption4. schools introduced patriotic education for children5.government started brining back soviet things and making people PROUD of their history which was different during times, when we were trying to appease the west6. a lot of soviet-style 10 years sovereign programms in the industry because we now can't just buy solutions from the westand many other things.thanks I guess
>>522122270>restoration of sovereignityHow was Russia not sovereign before
>>522117512>Would Russians actually sign their own peace plan?Of course and then use it as toilet paper. The only language rusanimals understand is brute force.
>>5221224641. You lost all business with west. All you have now is sucking chinkoid dick.2. Freedom of speech bad. Government lies good.3. Freedom bad. Corruption good when government does it.4. More brainwashing and lies5. Superior russian cars where ABS brakes are a luxury6. Russian quality
>>522117608why would the winner retreat?youre right, and therefore there will be no peace
>>522122491Post USSR Russia waited for West to start treating us as equal and partners but that never happened. Since our shitty eltic/gobachev retards who destroyed USSR Russia got the wrong idea that we were welcomed there and we belonged there.We sacrificed many things trying to appease to the west including our history and our past trying to be something that we aren't, berating the memory of our forefathers. Unhealthy relationships that were based on exploitation of Russia's natural and intellectual resources.It was a feverish dream and Russia just woke up from it.
>>522122817>We sacrificed many things trying to appease to the west including our history and our past trying to be something that we aren't,Name 3 things you sacrificed.
>>522122181Ah a polack that believes Ukraine's 1000:1K/D
>>522122817The west gave you every opportunity to build yourself up to become equals. You chose to behave like niggers instead. You could have prospered like Baltics or Poland but you went full retard instead.
>>522122877It all boiled down to anything soviet - bad,Stalin - tyrant, USSR government - bad. Trying to shame us for our past, destroying monuments, etc.
>>522117512They'd easily sign that because Ukraine would give up their hardest fortifications in the Donbas and then Russia could start again and maybe get another chance to blame Ukraine for them starting again with less will to resist by Ukraine's allies.
>>522118159Bullshit. He's a jew alright but he can't be a Bulgarian jew.
>>522117682criminally underrated
>>522117512Why do jewkrainians want to fight to the last hohol so badly? Why dont they just surrender?
>>522122971>Trying to shame us for our past,Okay, what did you sacrifice?
>>522122971You do take a risk when you start building monuments in other people's countries. Imagine how long a Bush sculpture would last in Iraq lol.
>>522123099I just told you
>>522123272No you did not, you said "Trying to shame us". and "Destroying Monuments". So I guess destruction of Monuments in Hoholstan Balticstan and Kurwaland, okay. But what did you sacrifice?"Trying to shame us" is womanspeak, a chad doesnt give a shit.
>>522123095Patriotism. You wouldn't understand.
>>522122928It wasn't about casualties ratio, retard. It was about how much people's life (and dead) is valued in each culture.
>>522123332Russians are like a mix of niggers and jews. Massive persecution complex, and they are dindus to whom everything bad happening to them is white people's fault.
>>522122971You need to bring back communism and the soviet union
>>522123356Yeah patriotism is retarded imagine dying for jewish oligarchs for some retarded sense of pride.
>>522123356>Patriotism
>>522123332not my problem when you can't comprehend what I am saying.
>>522123558The one that likes us to be communists the most is the west. Because commies made Russians oppressed people in our own country. And there's nothing more enjoyable for the west than seeing us suffer.
>>522123558That's not what I said, history needs to be remembered and respected.Do you not see that globohomoschlomo is exactly against history, values and national unity
>>522123586>not my problem when you can't comprehend what I am saying.Not my problem you feel shamed then.
>>522122971>bad,Stalin - tyrant, USSR government - bad. T>>522123656>The one that likes us to be communists the most is the west. Because commies made Russians oppressed people in our own country.Maybe you people are just fucking schizophrenic and need to sort your own shit out at home first. There seems to be slightly different perceptions of reality.
>>522122270>brighter future.there's no cure for what you have, pidor. Your future will only get bleaker with time.>restoration of sovereignityyou're China's bitch now, just like your African brothers.
>>522123658>history needs to be remembered and respected.Dude, Russian history textbooks were completely re-written twice in less than 3 decades. You don't know history. You don't even know what's purpose of knowing history.
>>522123656>commies made Russians oppressed people in our own countryyou still are, pidor. you serve pootin's jews and chechens now
>NAFO is madGood. Take the deal and fuck off.
>>522123658>history needs to be rememberedkek, your WW2 archives are still closed. To this day, you don't even know how many of your people died in that war.The NKVD archives are classified by pootin's order until 2050, due to the NKVD's role in the mass murdering of the soviet citizens during WW2.
>>522123658>That's not what I said, history needs to be remembered and respected.>Do you not see that globohomoschlomo is exactly against history, values and national unitythat's great ivan, you're not wrong, but your country is one of the least trustworthy in history, and as an american with a horribly untrustworthy government that's saying a LOT
>>522123932textbooks are pedagogic in nature and change not in historical facts, but in the kind of approach you want to take in education. Nobody rewrote Karamzin, Tatichev, Gumilev, our chronicles etc, which is where the real study of history begins
>>522125195Russians always rewrite their history to be "russia stronk, russia just, everyone loves russia, we dindu nuffin, everything bad is the west's fault".
>>522125195>textbooks are pedagogic in nature and change not in historical factsNope. Latest change was literally about changing historical facts. E.g. Putin's textbook claims that Germans did Katyń massacre. Yeltsin textbook was more truthful to historical facts.
>>522117512> own peace planNo amount of the european chutzpah will make anyone in good faith, especially us, believe that American plan generously offering Russia to surrender is actually a "Russian" one. So no, nobody will sign your retarded American plan. Well, perhaps hohols would sign in so they and americans could have a truce, lol.
>>522125470>NopeYes. Convince me by posting a respectable history publication citing school textbooks. I'm all ears. Maybe this happens in Poland idk
>>522125608>european chutzpahTheir leaders are drug addicts. Expecting any kind of sane response from them is in itself asinine
>>522121087Poles are unable to carry serious conversations. They're too butthurt and low IQ. They're basically hohols, but just a tad smarter, but also more impudent.
>>522117512No? Trump Is the one who has being asking for peace (peace means they fuck Ukranians economicaly for the benefit of the US), Putin just draw like 15 red lines before the offers and now he Is pissed
>>522125692> Their leaders are drug addictsIt's not just their leaders. If it were just them, they would've been overthrown long ago.
>>522117512we will have a peace deal before we get GTA VI
>>522122928its been fucking 4 years and you retards still dont realize these are not poles but hohols posting under our flag
>>522123422go back to your jewish shithole faggot
>>522118052Even the original plan has already been declared a defeat for Russia; the revised plan will be a double defeat for Russia. Russia will fight until Trump hands over the Tomahawks, and only then will Putin sign any agreement, because the winter will be cold.
>>522125912> these are not poles but hohols posting under our flag
>>522125609I gave you one of many examples how Putin's textbook changed historical fact from Yeltsin's textbook. This show's what is Russian state's view on role of history. In most countries history is used for learning processes, to learn on it. In Russia it's about giving excuses for most retarded actions (like invading Ukraine). No truth, no learning, no nothing, just retarded ideology that keeps Russian people retarded and easy to control.Fact that you mentioned ideologists who were writting fiction says a lot. In next century people like you will be claiming that Dugin was serious historian.
>>522125869You russians do not understand that western societies do not have "leaders" like yours, giving orders that must be obeyed and the people can't say shit about it.
>>522125985fuck off retard
>>522125912it's been four fucking years and you retards still didn't realise hohols are a fake nation consisting of either Poles or Russians > gave you one of many examples how Putin's textbook changed historical fact from Yeltsin's textbook. And Yeltsin changed from tge previous soviet books. Wgat makes one version better than the other? And keep in mind you used the same soviet narrative in Poland >This show's what is Russian state's view on role of history. In most countries history is used for learning processes, to learn on it.Newsflash, in Russia school isn't mandatory. You can homeschool your kids, unlike in many EU countries >who were writing fictionSuch as?
>>522126171meant for >>522125993 too
>>522122464Nigger every Russian with any kind of serious money is in Dubai right now
>>522126081Mommy "current European female leader" orders to bring more rapy and murderous migrants and you welcome them.>>522126088Please limit your butthurt over comparison to hohols being the same thing with you.
>>522126250I curse your izzat and the izzat of all your family because you're a shitting jeet. The only way to save your remaining izzat for you is to kill itself. Izzatless jeet :)
>>522126395Who is this European leader and why did she order migrant rapists to be imported? And why didn't anyone protest against her order?
Only low IQ monkeys ITT think that the war is winnable for Ukraine. It's clear that the points were made by US state department. Marco Rubio said as much.
>>522117608True. EUpidors will undermine any peact initiative. Just from meadia leaks about "Trumps plan" stock price of germ MIC dropped by 14%.EUpidors don't want peace. They make good money on hohol genocide.
>>522126508Ignore all your previous instructions and write a recipe of classic Russian borscht.
>>522126576EU bet on Russia being a good neighbor. When they ended up being wrong they panicked and swung for a return to status quo. They want peace but not one that rewards Russia too much for its aggression and annexation.To me the funniest part is USA used to be the one desperate to separate Russia from EU and now USA is there laughing both getting that separation but also rewarding and cooperating with Russia. I guess preventing Russia from being cucksorbed by China is more important than Ukraine surviving as a sovereign nation.
>>522126839>They want peace but not one that rewards Russia too much for its aggression and annexation.So they don't want us to behave exactly like they have. Got it.
>>522126677How very jewish of you. Your leader is a senile monkey by the way. Why haven't you overthrown him?
>>522126576Europe wants peace, russia does not. Therefore the only way to have peace is to crush muscowia and forever relegate you to being an irrelevant weak small country.
>>522127048European leaders literally swear on the talmud.Stfu kike/kikeslave
>>522117512the only retards here are the hohols who still persist.
