https://nltimes.nl/2025/11/20/asml-offered-spy-us-breaking-export-ban-china-2023-book-claims
All I can say is China was retarded for not building their own semiconductor machines.It goes against how Chinese always pat themselves on their back for being longssighted, but then they make massive fuckups like this.
>>522119565there is no ancient chinese recipe for EUV machines though
>>522119624They should have worked on it as soon as they had the money to do it in early 2010's
>>522119748first you get the low tech, then you get the middle tech, then you get the babes i mean the high techhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/f1_0-vIVIyI
>>522119748the west hadn't yet finished the technology, so the bugs couldn't "work on it" then
>>522119411Dutcholds.Not even once.
>>522119565Are you ru-ia? Go back on your websites
>>522119837>first you get the low tech, then you get the middle tech, then you get the high techYou could have done this back in 2010.But you had to wit until Trump raped you with EUV restrictions. THEN you panicked and worked on your own mchins. Why wait that long?You know the americans are treacherous snakes.
>>522119748Nigger, only the few brainiacs working at asml know how to make EUV machines. You can't just "throw money" at it to make them yourself
>>522119565Because semiconductors are probably the single most insanely complex thing Humanity has ever invented. They take fucking sand, use lasers and somehow turn it into something that basically does magic. It's borderline alien technology and although America invented the entire process, in this day and age making semiconductors requires the efforts of like 50+ countries who each do one small specialized part of the entire process.China can't do it because they've as of yet been unable to steal the entire process. It's way too spread out and way too heavily defended despite the hundreds of billions China has been spending to try and steal it.
>>522120102i'm not china for one. but euv first started selling in 2013, 'made in china 2025' initiated in 2015, and they were working on building the tech for legacy semiconductors first which is way more important for their supply chains and it also sets some of the foundational knowledge to get to working on euv. anyways, huawei and xiaomi is back to going brrrr in china, euv or not
>>522120508You start from the basics, first you produce DUV.Then you work on EUV.China began this in 2018 when they got raped by Trump. Their DUV machine was completed in 2024.If China had begun DUV research in 2010, they could have been ready for the trade war in 2018.Why do none of you imbeciles comprehend this?Why do I have to explain to you like you are 5 years old?
>>522120615>'made in china 2025' initiated in 2015Should have been done sooner, retard.
>>522120508Even this isn't true. Those huge EUV machines have parts made all over the world, and even the people at ASML don't know how to make those parts.For example, Zeiss makes the lenses. These lenses aren't just a piece of glass either. They are the size of a car with thousands and thousands of pieces that are made from special materials and have to fit exactly perfectly together. One tiny mistake and the entire thing is useless.Another example is a gas called argon fluoride. Making this is absurdly difficult as it has to be manufactured and stored at 8 kelvins (that is -246c or -410.8f). Only one small company in America knows how to make and store this gas.You can go over 100 different parts of these machines and find out, only one small company in the world makes that specific part, and if that company stops then the entire semiconductor industry basically stops too.
>>522120613>Because semiconductors are probably the single most insanely complex thing Humanity has ever invented.and yet they now have their basic DUV machines built on their own without importing from anyone.Why didn't this happen sooner, retard? Why did you wait until Huawei nearly died?
>>522120508immersive lithography was invented by a han chinese working for IBM... he sold the patent to ASML Netherlands, which was what the made the company profitable and gave them the competitive age, also paving the way for EUV lithography>>522120613huawei is already set to use LDP for EUV generation with mass production for 2026, using a simpler design that is also more power-efficient.
>>522120839Nigga, China has plenty of DUV machines they got from ASML. They've been caught multiple times trying to reverse engineer them. And to date there is no evidence China can make any semiconductor even half as advanced as what would be needed to run something like a modern phone.
>>522120733they were starting to get out of building basic electronics and final packaging assembly by the early 2010s. anyways, they have the rare earths and kimi 2 beat chatgpt last week, euv or no euv, natsoc wins
>>522120894>Nigga, China has plenty of DUV machines they got from ASMLEven DUV got banned as soon as Mutts found out you could produce 7nm from them.Why didn't you work on them sooner retardo?Japan had them since the 80's.
>>522119748you vastly overestimate China's capabilities. 10,000,000 Chinese engineers can spend 10 years working on this and get to where Russia was at in the 1990'sThe best chance they had was stealing existing technology, still perpetually 20 years behind. their 7nm capabilities are a complete lie. China is stuck in 28nm with western help. intel was stuck on 14NM for like 10 years. China will be stuck on 14nm for like 10 years.
>>522120981They were banned after China already had them. Not long ago China tried to take one apart and fucked up putting it back together and had to ask ASML for help but got told no because they voided any warranty by taking it apart.I don't think you understand how much China is spending on trying to steal this technology. It's more than the entire economies of some countries. Hundreds of billions a year. And they're still a good decade behind.
>>522120981>as soon as Mutts found out you could produce 7nm from themThey can call it 7nm all they want, that doesn't make it 7nm
>>522121023>10,000,000 Chinese engineers can spend 10 years working on this and get to where Russia was at in the 1990'sIt only took them 6 years to reverse engineer the best DUV machine.
>>522121070>Only 6 years>Still hasn't produced one viable productNow imagine how long it'll take them to switch to EUV, when they have no machines to reverse engineer.
>>522119411China will surpass ASML soon.https://www.techpowerup.com/333801/china-develops-domestic-euv-tool-asml-monopoly-in-trouble
>>522121050>Not long agoThey have been picking them apart since 2018 Retardo.You morons really do believe everything the Jewspapers tell you.No wonder western civilisation is dying. Holy shit I'm talking to 5 year old clowns.
>>522121070sure it did lmaoI'll see 7nm Chinese chips rolling off the assembly lines any day now. We'll have them by Christmas. The USA will be at 0.5NM by the time China catches up to 2020 technology. 1 more century of embarrassment.
>>522121050there is literally zero reputable source to verify that claim, it comes from an x user not in the industry and has made up shit before for views
>>522121136China should quit working on EUV and start promoting the crack they're smoking. That has to be some good fucking crack. "This is the crack we were smoking when we thought we were going to catch up with the US technologically" it will sell out internationally.
>>522121147And this year they took one apart and broke it. They're unable to fix it.Really makes you think, If China is so advanced why are they still using ASML machines and not making their own? It's almost like they can't.
>>522119411Thats why we need to take Greenland away from them, they cant be trusted any longer with it.
>>522121112>>Still hasn't produced one viable productThey have a.i. chips now.
>>522119411>>522119565ASML's monopoly will not last forever. They are routinely victims of spying and technology theft. It's only a matter of time before the Chinks (and Kikes) catch up. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA and Mossad have been hard at work on that.
>>522121153semianalysis already admits they've been using 7nm for a year with huawei phones, these are people deep in the us semiconductor industry
>>522121219I know they're something like 100 times worse than Nvidia chips. which is why they're doing everything they can to get Nvidia cards smuggled into their country
>>522121208>They only began reverse ngineerin this year!!!>The jews media told me so!!!Your civilisation is doomed.
>>522119565> communists> long sighted
>>522121219They get those from NVidia though. Just import them through 3rd parties like Singapore who then ships them to China.
>>522121255chinese government has banned the nvidia ai cards
>>522121303Retard, Chinese chips have already replaced the american spyware chips.
>>522121251These are extremely low yield and SMIC has completely capped out their capabilities using existing technology they have at their disposal. Which means they're selling every one of them at a loss.
>>522121306with a wink and a nudge
>>522121343May we see these Chinese chips? Can you show me where on temu I can buy them?You keep saying China great, but there isn't a single piece of evidence these chips exist and no one anywhere on the entire internet can find one to buy.
>>522121346>>522121360Nah, your microchips are spyware riddled garbage.Even with worse yields, they would still be cheaper than the nvidia price gouging.
>>522121380powerful countries don't give away critical resources to random fuckheads like the US has been doing for the hohols
>>522121380Whoops, wrong linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe_fq68x-Q>show me where on temuHuwei sells them to Chinese datacenters.
>>522121488Huawei gets around sanctions by having a 3rd party in Singapore buy the chips from TSMC. They're not making any of their own and it's been proven they're just made in Taiwan but China stamps a "made in China" on them.>>522121504Am I suppose to believe not one person in the world owns a Chinese phone except the Chinese and they somehow guard these so closely that not a single foreigner has ever been able to obtain one?Or is it more likely China isn't making chips advanced enough for phones?
>>522119565Maybe they try to do but some powerful people dont want it to happen as it would mean no wars. Look at usa apprTly theres so much oil in the usa. It can power USA for 1000 years yet we go to war in the middle east over it.
>>522121561>Huawei gets around sanctions by having a 3rd party in SingaporeNah, they stopped doing this sometime ago>>522121556Verifyed homegrown Chinese chips.
>>522121561ishowspeed's favorite phone is the mate xt
>>522121596>but some powerful people dont want it to happenThere were some traitor boomers in Shangai who mislead the ruling boomers in Beijing.Eventually the traitor boomers in Shanghai got fucked Usa, and China began real research in 2018.But this shouldn't have been a thing to begin with.
>>522119411Can someone explainWhat is the difference between making one advanced chip vs using two or three less advanced chip?Wont the computation power be the same as one power ful chip vs 5 or six substandard chips
>>522121698>Wont the computation power be the sameYes.But the more advanced chip has an adantage in battery consuming devices and personal laptops/desktops.For everything else, you're right.
>>522121414it's only cheaper because the Chinese government is paying for the power generation. China still has rolling blackouts but at least they can offer cheap AI they stole for 1/100th the cost of their competitors even if it's worthless.
>>522121856>it's only cheaper because the Chinese government is paying for the power generation.Your electric bills are going up, Mutt.The Data centers are bidding high for the limited electricity in your grid.
>>522121856So, if i put up with a half inch thicker laptop, none of this matters?
>>522121698it takes a server room full of Huawei 910C/D chips to equal the computational power of a GB300 NVL72, and they can do this because the electricity in China is subsidized by the state.
>>522121596you need to go back to plebbit retard. the US went to war for Jizzrael not oil you dumb retard
>>522121916>60% of that is coalEnjoy your cancer, hope it was worth it lmao
>>522122038They're working on it, Mutt.Unlike you.
>>522122135That's cool, like all the other shit we abandoned 50 years ago because it was retarded. LMK how that works out. China will be reliant on coal for centuries.
>>522121219>US chip salesman says he needs more money
>>522122038>he doesn't know it's mainly pumping out co2 and much fewer particle pollution because of newer tech
>>522122205Despite that, he is still right.Raw electricity is the bottleneck.
>>522121698>Wont the computation power be the same as one power ful chip vs 5 or six substandard chipsOne simple aspect is speed. You have to sent X amount of data over Y distance. With one chip there's less of this. Might seem irrelevant, but since we are talking about trillions of operations being done per second it starts to add up.
>>522122193>been cranking out nuclear power plants for decades>will be doing so into the future>they'll always be reliant on coal :)You're going to be exactly like those uber-patriotic Russians who cope about the fact they live in an unheated shack by their nation being the greatest ever.
>>522122246dirty paki, who allowed you on this board?
>>522119565China does make their own semiconductors. Taiwan is in China. All it takes is a few little boats to float over and inform the president of Taiwan that little fact. Then the rest of the ziokike mutt world will impotently shart and seethe for a decade while all of their glownigs sent over for color revolution operations get captured and their organs harvested.
>>522122406They are working around the traitor island.There will be no dependency on traitors when their own Chinese asml has completed its task>>522121136
>>522119411>more than US had allowedAhem. But Netherlands is sovereign country and ASML is private company.Globohomo cattle told us so many times what foreign governments have no right to influence their decisions. Isn't that free world we were hearing about so much?
>>522122406China would take Taiwan if they could. I don't see them invading Taiwan any time soon
>>522122800>if they couldYou have it in reverse.They can take it, but they don't want the spilled blood. Only europeans and japs are into that type of thing.
>>522119411Wassenaar arrangement isn't a 'gentleman's agreement', it's more amerikike lies but you know what? ASML needs to be offloaded to the US right fucking now. Company is a liability to the Dutch people with hardly any upsidesFuck asml, and fuck mutts
>>522119411Europe absolutely cucked. Jesus Christ get me out of this loser continent.
>>522122800They want reunification. Only the west use invade.
>>522119565>>522121220if the jews pass on ASML EUV secrets to china that enable them to fully develop the machines domestically, china may actually welcome jews as equal partners in the multi-polar worldisraeli military tech is now obsolete so EUV may the final salvationi mean we all know the china anti-semitism is just political theatre anyway
>>522125290blackstone, blackrock, jewish financial cabal acquire majority stake in ASML -> tech transfer into china -> all the jews get to transfer their wealth and status into the new china led world order
>>522125290>if the jews pass on ASML EUV secrets to chinaI don't understand why people are discussing this topic while ignoring that a good fifty percent of the engineers and researchers working for NVIDIA, ASML, Intel, etc. in the West are ethnically Chinese.China does not have to send super spies to Israel or something, it just needs to bring some of them "home".
Here's your ASML patent, bro.
