Why didn't Czechoslovakia survive? The languages are more similar to each other than many German dialects and Italian languages, and those countries were able to unify into singular nations. So what stopped them from assimilating together into one ethnicity? It's not religion, as they're both Catholic. They're racially very similar. Was it bad policy when the state was first established?
>>522128163Slovakia ? You mean northern hungary ? We dont want them here, they are incompetent sheep fuckers.
>>522128802Kek
Poor multi-ethnic countries with significant economic discrepancies between regions are usually unstable. Slovakia was significantly less developed than Czechia and this slowly resulted in growing resentment between the two nations.Some Slovaks felt that all the money was going to Prague, and some Czechs felt that a lot of their money was being wasted on Slovakia. It wasn’t enough to cause a civil war and nationalism wasn’t a major issue like it was in Yugoslavia. Czechs were generally not happy with the split, and neither were most Slovaks. There was no referendum and the decision was basically made overnight by two politicians.
>>522128163Were not both catholic only slovakia is. Despite our common language and shared modern culture we don't really have much in common. We were only made into a state because of specific historical circumstances in 1918 ie czechs wanting indepence but not wanting to give away their gernam speaking lands. They convinced so western idiots especially wilsom that is such a thing as a "czechoslovakian" so that they could make up the majority. Of course czechoslovakia was created on contradictory premises 1 self determination (for czechs and lesser exent slovaks ) 2 historical territories czechs used this argument to keep their german lands (but this is contradicted by their acquisition of slovakia which belong to hungary) slovaks for their part went along with this because hungarians were chimping out on them with retarded ass language laws since 1848 (hungarian revolution) once there isn't a credible threat of hungary getting back slovakia slovaks started wanting indepence esentialy since the beginning of the new state . soviet union kept the status quo but once that ended there really was no reason to remain in a state with the czechs
>>522128163I have this phenotype
>>522128163This ridiculous notion that every "people" must have a country must end. Speaking a different dialect doesn't grant you the right to have a country. Restore the map to how it was in 1815.
>>522128163it's Bohemia and Slavistan. czech isn't even a proper word
>>522129213What I'm asking is why it had to remain multi-ethnic. In Yugoslavia you had religion as the key friction. How do you assimilate Muslims, Catholics, and Orthodox together? You don't. But "Czechs" and "Slovaks" could've easily become categories as obsolete as the different German groups, no?>Czechs were generally not happy with the split, and neither were most Slovaks. There was no referendum and the decision was basically made overnight by two politicians.Interesting, I always thought it came out of popular sovereignty.
>>522129334You're a man though.
>>522129420The thing about "only politicians deciding overnight" is bullshit re writing of history. This was basically the only popular polical topic of the pre split post socialism Czechoslovakia. There was a massive clamoring for indepence in slovakia and massive celebrations once we got. We are just retarded we don't like how the state ended up so people just instantly forgot they ever wanted it
>>522129320>We're not both catholic; only slovakia isWell you're both historically Catholic.>We were only made into a state because of specific historical circumstanceCouldn't you say that about many countries?>once there isn't a credible threat of hungary getting back slovakia, slovaks started wanting indepence, essentialy since the beginning of the new state There were decades in between that and the split.
>>522128802Czechs are on the same level of blind philosemitism as jeets
>>522129420>What I'm asking is why it had to remain multi-ethnicBecause their separate national identities were formed in the 19th century and Czechoslovakia came later. Czechs, Slovaks and all the Yugoslav ethnicities can't be compared to say Germany or Italy because the former had been part of different empires and unions for centuries priot to WW1. Czechs were part of various German/Austrian dominated states and empires and Slovakia was part of Hungary. >How do you assimilate Muslims, Catholics, and Orthodox together?You don't, especially if all the different groups already consider themselves different nations which was the case in Yugoslavia. Religion wasn't really that big of an issue in Yugoslavia like most people think, it was nationalism. Croats and Serbs have been under different spheres of influence for 1300+ years, hence the differences in religion, culture and geopolitics. It wasn't like Italy where all the different groups lived on the same long peninsula with relatively little outside influence. During the rise of nationalism in the 19th century it was only natural that all the Italian groups would form a common identity.
>>522129381Globohomo kike
>>522128163Slovakians move back to Czechia where they belong after the unification of Great Hungary. Invalidate the Trianon Treaty now! Make Hungary Great Again!
>>522128163Multi. Ethnic. Countries. Do. Not. Survive.
>>522128163Kikes overtook Russia in 1918 and forced a (((pan-slavic))) deathtrap to all of Eastern Europe but after they saw how Slavs really were about to unite and create something big after decades they dismantled their own project do to fear of ethnic European powerit's always like that with kikes if their golem creations are about to bite their asses
>>522128163>>522129213Jews oppose Pan-Slavism. All Slavic countries were to become balakanized meme states to be pillaged by Jewish porn producers. “Chzekoslovakia” despite being interesting and sovlful, could no longer exist in this context anymore than East Germany, the USSR, or Yugoslavia could.
>>522130416You should be concerned about the fact that only 30% of your citizens under 20 are ethnically German
>>522130323>Religion wasn't really that big of an issue in Yugoslavia like most people think, it was nationalism.But I don't know if you can separate the two so easily. Ethnicity is a pretty arbitrary concept in a lot of cases. The Jewish "ethnicity" only exists because of the Jewish religion. Obviously Christianity and Islam aren't comparable to Judaism, but I think you see what I'm getting at. Without a shared religion the ethnic/national differences become inassimilable. I see what you're saying, when you think of something like The Troubles where religion was basically just a proxy for ethnicity.>Croats and Serbs have been under different spheres of influence for 1300+ years, hence the differences in religion, culture and geopoliticsWell yes, but their language and blood is similar, so that's never going to be an unbridgeable gap. Just look at how ethnicity played out in America. But at the same time you need a forceful central culture to assimilate to, and to prioritize one or the other (of Croats and Serbs, in your example) would inflame ethnic tensions too high in the short term.
>>522130536America is a counterexample. We proved that a multiethnic and monoracial society will work perfectly fine.
>>522129807Is the modern state that bad? I guess I've always assumed the West Slavic states are pretty well-run and prosperous.
>>522130399He's right though. Reject petty nationalism, embrace empire.
>>522130399I'm not arguing for a global world order, in fact the exact opposite. Rather than numerous small states with no real history or army, which due to their weakness have to prostrate themselves before a global hegemony, a small number of empires which are able to compete with one another. The order which was present for most of the last millennium.
>>522130818It only worked out for you because 1776 to 20th century everyone could live 100 miles apart and been a fish out of barrel relatively.
>>522131513Honestly not really. Most of the "ethnic" immigrants went to places with lots of their kinfolk. The Midwest is heavily German, Boston is heavily Irish, New York and New Jersey are heavily Italian, Wisconsin and Michigan are heavily Polish, North Dakota is heavily Norwegian. By raw numbers there were enough people gathered together to keep ethnic enclaves going if they wanted.
>>522130901No not really i think life is comfy here but we are retards and like to complain about everything. If you listen to a slovak besides me you'd think we are a complete shithole (everybody thinks this but for different reasons)
>>522128163we dont need them united
>>5221293811811 please.
>>522130775>But I don't know if you can separate the two so easilyBecause in the 19th century, Croats started romanticizing Croatian kings from 1000 years ago and there was a lot of focus on Croatian literature, art, seafaring culture, various 1000+ year old myths etc. It had largely nothing to do with Catholicism. Serbs, Czechs, Slovenes and so on started romanticizing their own culture, literature and history and bam, you have different nations. I think a lot of Americans don't really understand how nationalism works in Europe. All Europeans nation were formed centuries ago, and there's simply no going back. No new nations can be formed by combining similar nations. It just doesn't work and it only causes needless suffering. >Well yes, but their language and blood is similar, so that's never going to be an unbridgeable gapLanguage has never been the issue here. People from different Croatian regions don't even understand each other and we get along great and it's never been an issue. Croats and Serbs are arguably more different from each other than Slovaks and Czechs.Geopolitics is the biggest unbridgeable gap between us and it's never going to change.You can't just ignore a bunch of different factors and only focus on one real similarity (language) which in itself is a relatively recent thing in this region, but that's a whole different story.
>>522130775>Ethnicity is a pretty arbitrary concept in a lot of cases.I disagree, ethnicity is pretty important especially in your development years (0-6 or so).
>>522130416Hungarians would be a minority in their own country with that territory. Plus we would curb stomp you for even looking funny at transylvania.
>>522132269>there's simply no going backAgain, we proved that this is not set in stone. We created an entirely new nation basically out of sheer will. If it can be done here it can (could) be done there. We're so powerful precisely because we're an entire continent, entirely European, entirely unified. That's why they want to destroy our homogeneity and turn us into another Brazil. I'll admit it was made much easier by the fact that everyone was coming here voluntarily.>Geopolitics is the biggest unbridgeable gap between us and it's never going to change.Well yes, as soon as people decide that they're members of a different nation the project has already failed. Does Europe have the will to do what's necessary for creating nations? Is the upside even worth it? It's hard to say. With the Schengen region and the EU we could see these nations eventually fall apart. Mosley may prove to be ahead of his time.
>>522132163>ike to complain about everythingEveryone everywhere does that.
>>522129420Different levels of economic development.Compare Italy - same language, same culture, same religion, economic differences.
>>522132163>we are retards and like to complain about everythingThat's not such a bad thing. I think it's very European to do, why do you think we became so much greater than everyone else? Having high standards is good.
>>522130235honestly czech history is so irrelevant here it's not even though here i just heard husaites hated catholics and shit but in modern history at least czechs are incredibly liberal compared to slovaksWell yes but the point i was getting at was that there really is no reason for us to be a state together anymoreYes and during those decades we were constantly trying to get more autonomy hence HSĽN (first a party for slovak autonomy and later it would become our fascist party) and during socialist years the slovak communist party was constantly going on about autonomy we even technically got it after 1968 which made slovakia and the czech republic into separate "federations" i mean it's not like we hated czechs or something so it was never urgent and you would never get a slovak anti czech insurgence (just this concept makes me laught) but slovaks still we didn't want to remain in the state
>>522128163It was a ridiculous state that made no sense. There’s a reason countries don’t form naturally as weird long snake shapes, that’s not how people group up and it was never going to last
>>522132995>countries don't form as weird snake shapes
>>522133054They’re next if I have anything to say about it
>>522133054Andes mountains enter the chat
>>522128163The Moravians are the biggest "could have been" story in European history.
>>522130416Honestly if hungarians had not started to chimp out on slovaks for almost no fucking reason then Hungary would have retained at least their slovak territories much longer because czechslovakia was mainly supported by czechs or slovaks living abroad (štefanik) slovaks in Slovakia itself mostly didnt give a shit because we were illiterate retards and the only "inteligencia" here were priests who mostly didn't mind hungary until the language laws
>>522132407you cant even annex moldova
>>522132672The EU is a joke and it will never be a stable nation state because it's not a nation and it never will be. The EU is extremely vulnerable right now. Nationalism is on the rise, a lot of member states don't like being in the union and some states don't like their neighboring states. Romania and Hungary are a good example, Serbia and Croatia too if Serbia ever joins, Germany and Poland etc. I think the most likely scenario is WW3 where all the historical grievances and conflicts will resurface, especially in central and eastern Europe.
>>522134073With the high levels of mobility though, do you really think it's implausible that the differences between the different nations will soften? It's hard to be an ethnic nationalist if half of the kids in your country are of mixed ethnicity.
>>522128802>they are incompetent sheep fuckersYou have standards for sheep fucking?
>>522134021>you cant even annex moldovaThey would never financially recover from that.
My violin teacher was Czechoslovakian. Pretty funny guy, old school soviet guy. Would slap the shit out of me if I grabbed the bow in a wrong way lol
>>522134332>With the high levels of mobility thoughWhat mobility? Croatia is 90%+ Croatian and we don't have immigrants from the EU. > It's hard to be an ethnic nationalist if half of the kids in your country are of mixed ethnicity.True, but central and eastern Europeans aren't mixing at all. Most of our countries are ethnostates and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Nationalism is on the rise so I don't see how exactly our differences will soften.
>>522134585how to get Slavic laundry whore like this?
>>522134804When I was a kid in the early 2000s, teachers were allowed to physically discipline students, obviously within reason. A slap on the wrist (literally), pulling ears, light slaps on the back of the head, that sort of stuff.
>>522134854>What mobility? Croatia is 90%+ Croatian and we don't have immigrants from the EU.I was thinking more of Western Europe.>Nationalism is on the rise Is it? In western Europe there seems to be a rise in white identity, but I don't see anyone really caring about language or their specific European identity much. They'll talk about it every now and then but the focus is always on race. At least that's in Western Europe and America.
>>522135024I mean, I never forgot how to properly grab a bow. He had really good stories, like how he was poor as shit when he was a kid, but his older sister hated to listen to him practice the violin, and one day she cut his bow so he could not play.So he waited a week until she let her guard down and while they were having dinner, he stabbed her hand with a fork.
>>522129420>How do you assimilate Muslims, Catholics, and Orthodox together? You don't.Enver Hoxha pulled it off.
>>522137180The Albanian national identity was formed at least a century before Enver Hoxha.
>>522128163Moravia is the real victim
