Hell doesnt' even mean what you think it means. It doesn't have the connotation of evil, demons, punishment, fire, etc. The word "hell" is not Biblical. Its old English but goes back to old Germanic/Dutch HEL. It means "cover." It's where we get the words Cellar, Hall, Hull of a ship, Conceal, and Helmet. The connotation is to cover something completely up. The most accurate use of HEL is Germanic and Nordic where people were buried or covered over with dirt. Thus, they went to HEL or the hidden place covered over place of the dead. Or the HALL of The Dead. This perfectly coincides with the Bible's Sheol and Greek Hades. Sheol and Hades are AMMORAL. Neither good nor evil go there. So it means that's where the dead go in general.Pagans invented it hell, The Catholic Church adopted it. In the OT wherever you see "hell" the original word is She'ol. She'ol is just the common grave of mankind. In the NT, wherever you see the word "hell" the original word is Hades. It is also just the grave of mankind.So there are two kinds of hells in the Bible.One is temporary>hades>She'olOne is permanent>Gehenna>Lake of FireWhen Jesus is quoted as saying "hell" it is actually Gehenna. Gehenna means "Valley of Hinnom." It was a garbage dumb that was lit on permanent fire with sulfur. They threw trash in it. When they executed criminals they threw there bodies in it as well. If the bodies slipped out the worms would get it. Thus, Gehenna represents total annihilation with no escape and no memory.Those in Hades/She'ol are waiting to be resurrected and it's for everyone who has died. Those in Gehenna/Lake of Fire are destroyed permanently. No resurrection for them. THIS is for bad people. Because of the over-generalized translation of "hell" everywhere nobody can understand the truth about death and resurrection
>>522442824The Bible teaches that the dead are unconscious and go back to oblivion, or non-existence.>Isaiah 38:18,19 - 18 For it is not She´ol that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness. The living, the living, he is the one that can laud you, Just as I can this day.>Psalms 6:5 - For in death there is no mention of you; In Sheol who will laud you?>Psalms 88:10 - For those who are dead will you do a marvel? Or will those impotent in death themselves arise, Will they laud you? Selah.>Psalms 146:4 - His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish.>Psalm 88:12 - Will a marvel by you be known in the darkness itself, Or your righteousness in the land of oblivion?>Psalms 115:17 - 17 The dead themselves do not praise Jah, Nor do any going down into silence.>(Ecclesiastes 3:18-20) I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.>Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 - 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.
>>522442824>>522442863There is no hell in the Bible. Only going back to the grave. This is God's opinion on burning people alive.>Jeremiah 19:5 - And they built the high places of the Baal in order to burn their sons in the fire as whole burnt offerings to the Baal, something that I had not commanded or spoken of, and that had not come up into my heart.”’>Jeremiah 32:35 - Furthermore, they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through [the fire] to Molech, a thing that I did not command them, neither did it come up into my heart to do this detestable thing, for the purpose of making Judah sin.’>Jeremiah 7:31 - And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’God admitted three times up above he would never command anyone to do that nor would he ever think of doing that himself. If God created hell that would make God a huge hypocrite because he is doing it on a grander scale. However, God doesn't burn people alive in any way. He lets them die and cease to exist. So if you refuse to submit to God than you will go to oblivion, not hell
Planet Earth is in hell, we have arrived.
>>522442961Yup, but it's only temporary
>>522442824>>522442863>>522442921So this is your second day in a row posting this blasphemy, and your OP image literally refutes you point blank. While you're right about the first death and sleeping until final judgement, even you recognized that those in final judgement are destroyed forever. Why go to the trouble of trying to say that the bible says people will not burn forever for the crimes they steadfastly refuse to repent of, when it very clearly does, unless you are a lying demon?
>>522443898>and your OP image literally refutes you point blank.Let's talk about the first one. Luke 16:23. The rich man and Lazarus. The Story of Lazarus is METAPHORICAL. It is not literal. There was no one living after death before Jesus.>(Colossians 1:18) .... He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things;>(Revelation 1:5) and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “The firstborn from the dead,” ...Jesus is the firstborn from the dead. What that means is that he's the first to be resurrected and STAY ALIVE forever.>(John 3:13) Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.>(Acts 2:34) Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand,No man has been resurrected, stayed alive forever, and gone to heaven before Jesus. Not even King David himself. By the time Paul quotes up there in Acts he says David is still in his grave. So it couldn't be David who ascended to heaven.
>>522443898>>522444247>(Luke 11:52) “Woe to YOU who are versed in the Law, because YOU took away the key of knowledge; YOU yourselves did not go in, and those going in YOU hindered!”>(Malachi 2:7) For the lips of a priest are the ones that should keep knowledge, and [the] law is what people should seek from his mouth; for he is the messenger of Jehovah of armies.Jesus up above was talking about the Pharisees. It was their job to "feed" the people knowledge and the law of Jehovah to the people. Instead, they locked the commoners out of having such knowledge. Once Jesus died those keys were taken from the Pharisees(Rich man) and given to the Apostles and Paul.(Lazarus). We know this is a parable because the rich man asked Abraham for a drop of water to cool him from fire.The Rich man also said:>Luke 16:19-31... But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to these.’ Then he said, ‘No, indeed, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”It's a parable about how the Pharisees ignore the Prophets about the coming of Jesus and his resurrection. Then when Jesus was resurrected they still resisted and refused to believe. If they wouldn't believe the prophets about Jesus resurrection then they won't believe Jesus when he comes back from the dead. The parable is a middle finger to the Pharisees.
>>522443898jewhovadists are not Christians but judaizers and do not worship the Christian Triune God of Abraham.
>>522442824Christ is God.John 8:58
Fuck, it's like watching fantasy nerds argue over how The One Ring works.
>>522444925maybe in india many contradicting faiths can coexist, but in civilized lands where we use Logos (Reason) that doesn't fly.
>>522442824>GehennaThat's not permanent either. Jews frequently use this term and they don't recognize a ceaseless lake of fire. They call it a place of temporary purification, like purgatory.
>>522445176Sorry, forgot to turn my stupid memeflag off I was using for a bit.
>>522444925This just means that as an atheist your ability to appreciate allegorical literature is severely challenged by your personal bias. It’s like saying science fiction books make you very angry. Go to Barns N Noble, commit forever sleep in the holocaust section. Hopefully your arm hits the “atheist madlib hyperanal almanac of lingual specificity and demeaning irrelevant statements told in emotional duress remembering childhood trauma”Religious people take unbelief to a higher level than you people ever can. They even make a larp out of it pretending to do what God wants them to do. You are like a baby.
>>522445176Gehenna IS the Lake of Fire. Both represent total annihilation with no escape and no hope of return. Eternal oblivion, forever non-existence. What's temporary is Hades and Sheol. Both represent the common grave of mankind. Everyone there, good and bad, will be resurrected.
>>522445321Hit a nerve, did I?
Bro really believes semitic fairy tales lmfaooo
>>522444686Not the time for this subject. Today's subject is about hell, the afterlife, and the resurrection.
>>522444925The difference is millions have people have died, and civilizations have been shaped because of these stories, so they have to be discussed seriously. >>522445430So are you saying Jews are misunderstanding their own terminology? Ask any of them if they believe in permanent hell. 99.9% will say no. At most, people like Maimonides will say there's annihilation for the worst sinners, which isn't some weird masochistic never ending torture, simply a mercy kill basically.
>>522442921>God doesn't burn people alive in any way. He lets them die and cease to exist. So if you refuse to submit to God than you will go to oblivion, not hellYou could be correct. I also doubt that there is an actual pit of burning fire that people are cast into. I believe that hell is more likely to be an analogy for existence separated from God. Torment being psychological rather than physical. But as a mortal, we have an incomplete frame of reference. We lack perfect knowledge on the relevant subject matter, or any subject matter really. And so naturally there are doubts that stem from this pervasive ignorance. That is why "faith" is required. The correct path is to read and study the Bible and other writings to decide for yourself what you believe. The truth is available, but you have to seek it out. Have you read on Peck’s Four Stages of Spiritual Growth? http://whale.to/b/peck1.html https://archive.is/rAgCh
>>522445531>hell, the afterlife, and the resurrection.what part of hell do freemasons like charles russells go to?
>>522445442Not at all, you just systemically dismantled civilizational cohesion while pretending to be nuanced and are now complaining that third worlder theism is now invading the vacuum where the majority of western inhabitants resided with their faith. Congrats enlightened individual, it’s another dark age. Except this time the fourth turning will guarantee the extinction of the species. All you had to do was play along. But no, your autistic clamor for epistemological consistency destroyed your entire point of even striving for a complete system made out of your own metaphysical interpretations of it. Essentially, you tried to improve the economy so much, that you lost track of the real economy and now everyone is trading memecoin rather than actual tangibles. Nearing the imminent collapse of the population and sending us straight back to the Stone Age, to which all the information gained during this period will definitely be lost. But don’t worry, atheism is there to start it all again.
>>522442921Watchtower is a Jehovah's Witness publication and while they are good people, they are not doctrinally Christian. Similar to Mormons.
>>522444925 Still in the 14 years old fedora atheist first stage.
>>522442921THROUGH ME THE WAY INTO THE SUFFERING CITY,THROUGH ME THE WAY TO THE ETERNAL PAIN,THROUGH ME THE WAY THAT RUNS AMONG THE LOST.JUSTICE URGED ON MY HIGH ARTIFICER;MY MAKER WAS DIVINE AUTHORITY,THE HIGHEST WISDOM, AND THE PRIMAL LOVE.BEFORE ME NOTHING BUT ETERNAL THINGSWERE MADE, AND I ENDURE ETERNALLY.ABANDON EVERY HOPE, WHO ENTER HERE.
>>522445602>So are you saying Jews are misunderstanding their own terminology?I don't know. All I'm saying is that there are 2 hells. One temporary, one permanent. The temporary one is ammoral. Neither good nor evil. It's where EVERYONE goes when they die. The other is permanent oblivion. >>522445772>. I believe that hell is more likely to be an analogy for existence separated from God. Torment being psychological rather than physical.You're half way there. The Bible teaches that the dead are unconscious and aware of nothing. >>522442863
>>522445947Religion by categorical ontology isn’t Christian. The very axiom of saving faith requires that you acknowledge that because of what Jesus did you’re going to heaven because of God and that religion was condemned by simply virtue of the fact that the book states all of man has fallen short of the glory of God. Simple as, this is literally what Paul means when he says you’re dead to the law. Why? Because you identified God and know what he did, everyone else in unbelief still has yet to figure out God and that their salvation has nothing to do with them, thus, they subscribe to religion and self reliance which is precisely what’s causing the evil you see, given man has both the knowledge of good and evil. This makes religion and government a functional necessity for man because by they’re very dualistic double-minded state they’re sinners.
the dead are unconscious and aware of nothing
>>522442824You’re in a cult.
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>>522446444checked>>522446650this is a vitally serious question:>>522445791>what part of hell do freemasons like charles russells go to?if we don't answer this we can't even move on to the problem of why promote a cult (with millions of niggers) that says only 144,000 will go to heaven...
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>>522447433so you are going with the argument that freemasons like charles taze russel don't go to hell?how is this possible since freemasons have brotherhood with literal satanists?
>>522445820I did all that, huh? Funny, I don't remember doing that.
>>522446185Fedora, huh? Lol never heard that one before. Bet you felt really clever posting that.
>>522442824>>522442863>>522442921>>522444247You’ll go to hell as well for being a fake Christian fake doomsday cult fake religion false teachers JWs. Enjoy your turbo cancer and AIDS from the mark of the beast (covid jab)
>>522447596Op got BTFO’d. JWs are scum judaizers like Adventists. /pol/ is not dead
