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It's true tho
>>522512679Conservacucks constantly shit on commies for continuing to put their faith in failed ideas of redistribution economics and saying "real communism hasn't been tried", while continuing to put their faith in failed ideas of trickle-down economics and saying "real laissez-faire capitalism hasn't been tried".
This is a rhetorical argument that hinges on allowing the elite to "let" the rest of the public have something, which never happens ever
Real class warfare has never been tried,
>>522512679The trickle down is gonna be fucking epid!
>>522512679I don’t believe in income taxes, but this is bullshit. How does taxing or not taxing a group change the housing supply or the value of a dollar? Common turning point retardation.
>>522512956If you tax something, you get less of it. It's really not that hard to understand.
>>522512679>b-b-b-but landlords don't NEED to keep all that money>they should risk all their life's savings and everything they own and be just as poor as a Mcburger manager!This is how progressive leftards think
>>522512679How about making things about defending your race instead of defending neoliberalism?
>>522512798yeah jews would have no problem lowering rent if we didn’t tax them so much and give israel so much money.
>>522512956Tax landlords and your rent WILL rise.Give landlords tax breaks and your rent MIGHT lower.
Pay more rent --AAACK
>>522512679
>>522512679That turning point arrow will always be a bloodstream in my mind.
A trvth nvke with no trvth....Now i have truely seen it all
>>522512679Kill all landlords and redistribute their property. It worked for communist China, it will work again.
>>522515223your rent goes up even if you tax them less. they have to make up for the fact that less of your money is going to israel
>>522515543Did you have to practice arguing in bad faith or does it just come naturally?
>>522512679Ok I'll bite. What city treats landlords right. I assume in Europe, but which one?
>>522512679>White men are stupid and angry. >Women are smart and strong. How Judeo-Christian of them.
>>522512679The problematic landlords usually aren't your boomer uncle playing slumlord with a couple rental properties. It's fucking Blackcock, Scamgard, etc. who are driving cost of living beyond people's means. Corporations should be forbidden from owning land, the ONLY landowners in America should be citizens and MAYBE legal immigrants.
>>522512679Is this real?The kikes have taken over Charlie's organizaiton and are using it to promote (((Blackrock bank))))
>>522515734Taxes should go down for private or small landlords while going up for speculative or corporate landlords like BlackRockThey did the opposite after CovidFuck the kikes
>>522512679>they cant afford itthey can afford it
>>522515734My experience as a tenant has been the exact opposite. If there's a problem in a corporate owned property they have the resources to get it fixed quickly, boomers do not.
>>522512679>1pbtidStill if this was true wealth disparity would be flat rather than growing over the entirety of my life. You don't get to have record profits all while crying poor. Rent increases can be tied to assessment and property tax increases and increases in insurance premiums but when you take that away all the other rent growth is based on market makers setting prices and everyone including small time landlords following suit. Residential realestate sales have been similarly artificially increased by redfin and similar web RE aggregators, making sales of a few properties themselves at a loss just to get a single property sold for a high enough data point that everything else can be sold at comparably high prices. It's a good grift, a lot of people made a lot of money but now comes the consequences. One is that socialist beliefs are skyrocketing and government cannot even tap into this because they are firmly entrenched with the people counting money. You won't get anything that alleviates the ails of the working class because they can't offer P4P like billionaires can. If there is no political solution I wonder what may actually occur.
>>522515585so which part of my post is wrong?
>>522515643the city that lets them do whatever they want like new york.
>>522512679no no no no noWe need to ban house loansNobody can buy a house anymore? Price of housing crashes. Then people can buy houses. Problem solved. The 50 year mortgage is pushing it down the road. Also voting for less taxes right now is turbo retarded insane. Raising taxes and cutting spending is the only way to stop inflation.>buy does saving money stop inflation???you burn the money. you put it back into the national debt statistic where it disappears into nowhere. nowhere it came from, nowhere it shall return.
>>522517123from nowhere you came from nowhere you go from nowhere you can come again
>>522515830They also don't reinvest in their properties enough and follow pricing trends of larger companies. We should not have nonproductive assets bleed people dry and perhaps it's already too late. Money spent to pay rent goes to making or buying more exploitative properties or to lining the pockets of people not creating or fixing anything. Government gets a cut so they don't care. In another world if they weren't such greedy and inept faggots government or COOPs could be managers of rental housing to eliminate profit chasing or rent seeking behavior. So long as nonproductive assets can multiply in price increasing tax receipts, so long as housing is seen as in investment and those invested can kneecap attempts to lower asset prices then none of it matters. Enjoy the immigrant beachheads in every single center of capital, the failing services & infrastructure and falling birth rates.
>>522512679Supply and Demand are just stupid concepts made up by academics.
>>522517376coolitwiththeantisemitismCHUD
>>522512679nopenopenopetrickle-down economics are kinda like communism, sounds like a good idea but it sucks in practiceaaaand friedman was wrong
>>522512679too bad liberals hate truth so much
>>522512956Except trickle down has been proven to succeed 100% of the time where as communism is the inverse
>>522517538"Friedman was wrong" isn't proof
>>522513213Get a job and become the elite
>>522517538Trickle down works and Friedman was right about everything
>>522512679 >Trickle Down Economicshow about you fuck yourself?
>>522512679>"you know, now that I got that huge tax break, I can lower the rent I charge tenants!"Has this ever been said by anyone, anywhere, ever?
>>522517123There is no real solution for triffens dilemma, that's why reserve currencies are always temporary. Constant inflation to make debt sustainable is and will always be the goal. Even now as the brakes fall off they are try to figure out how to inflate the debt away faster without becoming Argentina. Debt reduction is only possible by austerity and elimination of entitlements including the elderly and non productive. The government doesn't pick winners and losers unless the losers are the working class. Forest fires are a natural occurrence caused by imbalance, our balance will be similarly found once it is no longer voluntary.
>>522517692>opposing trickle down economicsRot in hell. I say this as a democrat
>>522517705It doesn’t matter if they say it, market forces occur whether somebody says something or not
>>522512679Money gets created by bank loans.If the landlord has more money they leverage it to buy more properties off the market, indebting themselves to the banks via mortgage debt, and jacking up rents as more property is cornered by the rentier landlords. The entire thing is a scam.Money is fake and gay entries on a banks database. Any civilization that moors its values to acquisition of money is on the downswing.
>>522517692you'll be the one that gets fucked no matter what"eat the rich" always ends with the rich literally eating the poor
>>522517835>"eat the rich" always ends with the rich literally eating the poorFrench Revolution would disagree.
>>522517879Comparing feudalist lords with capitalist businessmen is stupid
>>522517825Money was "OK". the problem was when we abandoned the Gold Standard
>>522512679TRVTH NVK!
>>522517369The cost of maintaining ONE home sucks let alone one hundred. I rented a room out for years and all that money basically went to fixing plumbing once. Rent is an easy target to attack but it's tied to "the value of housing" which is again 2000% artificially inflated.>>522517721I'm convinced America has an ace in the hole somehow. What if there's no way out of fiat and people just have to live with inflation to some degree forever? As long as you slow it to a crawl it can let you delay problems indefinitely which we've taken advantage of way too much. There's also the fact that deflation won't happen unless there's a change in management that isn't afraid of economic shocks.
>>522517705>"shit, that landlord across the street is stealing all my tenants because he lowered his rent... I better do the same"said by every landlord everywhere at some point
>>522517593>Trickle-down>WorkingYou're as delusional as the holistic dance therapy communists
>>522518050If you think trickle down doesn’t work you’re just a child with no understanding of business or economics.Trickle down is just economics, businesses create jobs this isn’t even a debate it’s fact
>>522512956>trickle down doesn't work>even jungle dwelling monkeys have iphones and laptops>trickle down doesn't work>less people in poverty than ever recordedUhhh huh. Spin me more liberal lies. If we would stop injecting socialist policies that how much better the system could be. Have you seen insurance costs? Not allowed to compete, have to have insurance. Welfare. Not allowed to opt out. SS etc.
>we can't have deflation no instead of holding onto money as a store of value we need to invest it in stocks and bonds to hold value!!!Holding your life savings as hostage unless you help fuel the economy was an insane stroke of genius but at this point alternatives are worth considering
>>522518170Holding cash is way better for the economy
>>522517879French Revolution didn't magically end when the Reign of Terror began, it was all part of Robespierre's plan (except his own date with Madam Guillotine, he thought he would just guillotine anyone whoever disagreed with him forever, only to find out the hard way that he had a neck too)
>>522512679I smell jewish tricks behind this post. OY VEY GOYIM LAND LORD GOOD!
>>522518130Someone is going to regulate things intelligently and if it's not the government it might as well be corporations. The mercy of the government though is that they live on a relatively fixed income (taxes) and have to beg for more. Corporations only want to extract value from people and funnel it to the top, unless Henry Ford is reanimated somehow and moves his Ford company somewhere else where he can invest in his workers.>>522518226The only downside of hoarding cash as it stands is inflation.>would you like a loan for your ice cream, goy?
>>522512679It's theoretically kind'a true. In reality, why the fuck would anyone want to lower any prices if they can just do nothing and make a shit ton of more money? They aren't in the charity business.
>>522518364>if they can just do nothing and make a shit ton of more money?because they can't just do nothing and make a shit ton of moneyyou think they can but they can't and don't
>>522518360Trickle down econmonics doesn't mean ZERO regulation. Also >what is the invisivble hand of the marketSupply side economics (trickle down) doesn't call for no regulation. It calls for restircted regulation. People also confuse the TYPE of regulation that is being proposed with trickle down.
>>522518283So you want our healthcare system to be as shitty as India???If America got free healthcare we’d be know different than any other European or Canadian shithole
>>522518360The Ford meme is hilarious because Ford workers were the elites at the time.They earned twice the average wage, akin to someone earning $120k a year today.Leftists who defend Fords policies are defending the wealthy scum they claim to hate
>>522517968The gold standard was regularly circumvented by the banks resulting in bank runs starting in the 1800s. Bankers were always lending more than they had via the usual trickery (putting shit on the balance sheet they didn't really have).
>>522517978As a landlord renting only keeps the value of the properties stable. I hardly make money from rent and you have to be careful who you rent to or its fucking over in terms of any net gain. The only benefit is I can choose who I want to rent to. You can't even do that in leftist shitholes.
>>522518867Facts, as someone who rents, I advocate against rent controls and support eviction laws that let landlords evict anybody.I found it so difficult to find someone to rent to me because of all these laws, landlords were scared to rent to somebody with no rent experience because they can’t kick me out if we don’t pay.As a renter it’s in my interest for landlords to be able to kick people out so they have a stronger incentive to give me a chance
>>522518584Right now what we have is consumer (citizen) hostile "regulation" and "barriers to entry" is only the start.On paper it's only trickle-down economics if the hyper wealthy are losing money. Are the hyper-wealthy losing money? No. Well then if trickle-down economics works in the age of hyper-billionare, then the common man with less wealth comparatively should have more purchasing power (not true with inflation) or assets (not true, everything is financed). People are all but squeezed dry and you might see bleak economic reports on what's usually a boom for the holiday season.If we have trickle-down right now it's not working and a half-assed rework would only exacerbate the problem if the "solution" legislation was left to the people that benefit from the problem.>>522518712Other factories responded with higher wages and this is what led into the 50's golden era, go figure.
>>522518765yes but that put the burden on the banks and still it was WAY LOW what banks could "air print" against USA Government itself printing money.
>>52251901350s golden era was because government spending post war was drastically cut.What we have right now is anti-trickle down. We have Left Wing Socialism and it’s failing miserably
>>522512679>Dumb argument>Get shotlmao
>>522519013>On paper it's only trickle-down economics if the hyper wealthy are losing money. LOL that is not true in the slightest. I can't even argue with someone that his this low an understanding of economics. >Nowhere does the model require the wealthy to lose money. That’s like saying “for capitalism to work, businesses must operate at a loss.” It’s a fundamental misread.
>>522519104The post-war era had a lot of things going for it including lend-lease but really it was before the start of all the insane bullshit you see today. Similarly the mounting problems are today are because very bizarre solutions were entrenched>I'm going to college to be a barista because I would prefer more schooling over lower paying labor, even if the privilege costs me $200k principal and $130k interest!!
Just so everyone is clear, money ultimately originates from the government. All money.It is either spent into existence by the government or the deposits are created as loans by private banks who have charters granted to them by the government.This idea that landlords need to keep more of "their money" is hilarious. It's not your money. And there is nothing at this point in human industrial development that you actually offer to the process except extraction.
>>522519319>ignored gold, silver, crypto etcUnless you mean FIAT. Even that isn't true but it's somewhat closer.
>>522519254Yes, trickle down economics brought us the elephant curve graph where everyone gets richer EXCEPT FOR US
>>522519298Nothing wrong with that, the market will punish those accordingly
>>522519399None of those are money. Money is a unit of account and a creature of the State.
Thirty percent of the economy is being thrown at data center resource sinks in the hope that a demand for AI content increases exponentially, in a time where FEWER people are using the internet. This is all from the trickle-down people hoping to eliminate human labor entirely wherever they can. Are you richer now? Is the tide of money rising? I can't hear you over the machine hum of the data center next door. Look at this AI dog!
>>522512956The trickle down economics criticism only makes sense to younger people looking at the economy wrong.The government does not "give out the money". It's not supposed to be "where money comes from" or the decider of "who gets how much money".The money's just out there naturally. Fiat discussions aside, if USD disappeared today, people would find another currency to use as money. The government isn't naturally involved in what money is, where it comes from or who has it.When the government taxes people, it's taking their money from them.Sure, you can say you'll take more from wealthier people and redistribute it with social programs, but in reality that does nothing except open up corruption for "non-profits" to scoop up free tax money, give themselves six figure salaries, while not really doing anything other than gloating at brunch that they run a non-profit.At best, some niggers will get stipends that they immediately blow on goyslop and makeup from amazon, and no one in the middle became richer. You just sent some tax money to amazon and artificially supported the black population.
>>522519432Again, WRONG. EVERYONE is better off on average than ever beofre. You are just wrong. You just can't see how easy you have it from your perspective. This isn't even opinion. Every metric proves this. Nonsensical argument. 100 years ago you would be a shack in the dust bowl eating onion sandwiches and selling your kids. You are laughably wrong. You are mad, but mad at the wrong thing.>>522519483WRONG. Money is a medium of exchange you dope. This is the actual definition: : something generally accepted as a medium of exchange, a measure of value, or a means of payment: You're limited in scope propreitary definition doesn't run the show. Arguing with you kids is laughable. Your understandings and arguments are so bad. Just have chat GPT make them for you.
>>522519843People were "better off than ever" in 1950, where you get your theories from. The economy is guttered. Half the people in the US are retirees and another quarter are in school until late 20s. The fact that anything is still running at all is a testament to whatever yesteryear drafted up but these kinds of systems are inherently unstable and self-correct in things that were called depressions but now thanks to your intellectuals must be called recessions instead
>>522518128How does this benefit me in a globalized world where all of your jobs are offshore to third world labor? There are fewer opportunities than ever despite sucking off the elite for 40 years
>>522519618We all got richer thanks to this, check your stocks
>>522519815FAXThe only way that taxing the rich would actually help the economy is if that money was exclusively used to pay down government debt
>>522520090Wrong. We, in this small (population wise) country got a nice boom due to post WW supremecy. But that was never going to last forever, it just got us about 300 years of economics in 20 years. You have no idea what you are talking about. You've strayed so far from the point you are just babbling. You don't understand economics. Trickle down has rasied everyone (for the most part) up. Socialist programs and central banks have been the monkey on the worlds economies back.
>>522520155Offshoring creates more jobs in your country than it does in the countries offshored to by restructuring the economy more efficientlyTaxing the rich to death and trying socialism for 50 years has shown Marxism to once again be a failed economic system
>>522520155Anon is thinking like an economist, which is where you are nothing more than a disposable number unit. You're the exact same as a hindu or a somalian to your employer/an economist. So you get totally batshit theories coming out from them sometimes like the famous Paul Krugman consistently airs.>>522520263Tell me how people in more debt than ever before in history, right now, is or is not trickle-down economics, and not just a robber barony.
>>522513390No one has ever advocated for the use of taxes to limit rents.That's what rent control is for.
>>522520262Not even true. If you liquidated ALLLLLLl Americans billionaireas wealth to ZERO, it would be about 7-8 trillion $. That means EVERYTHING sold at full market value today (impossible). The debt is nearly 38 TRILLION. Confiscate 100 percent of every billionaire’s wealth and, in fantasy land where you could even liquidate it at book value, you cover maybe 20 percent of the debt. Then you are out of billionaires, out of their companies as functioning entities, and you still have roughly 30 trillion in debt plus the same structural deficit that keeps adding to it.
>>522520396You have a human right to be in debt, it’s literally 14th amendment. Right to contract is right to property
>>522520374When have we ever taxed the rich ti death? Im not suggesting its a good idea all im saying is we've sucked off the elite for over 40 years and things are worse than ever. When is it going to trickle down?
>>522520438I don’t see how this in any way contradicts what I said.I never suggested liquidating all of billionnaires wealth
>>522520396You are so low IQ when it comes to economics, like I said YOU ARE MAD AT THE WRONG THING:Personal debt, government debt, corporate debt, none of those are “trickle-down economics.” They’re outcomes of:>central bank policy>fiat expansion>credit markets>low interest rates>consumption >culture >government overspending >financializationTrickle-down (supply-side theory) is about incentives fr investment and production, not about credit creation or monetary policy.It never said: “People will take on less debt.” or “Government won’t overspend.” or “The financial sector won’t balloon.”Debt is a central banking and fiscal policy phenomenon, not a supply-side one. I BEG YOU, PLEASE READ SOME FUCKING BOOKS AND STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE SHIT AND READING POL.
>>522520546Last 40 years we have been implementing every Communidt and Marxist idea on the books in pursuit of equality and it’s only left everyone poorer
>>522512679lolbertarians tongue my anus
>>522517626>just win the lotto several times over goy>no you're not allowed to buy our lotto tickets
>>522512679>IT'LL TRICKLE DOWN BRO TRUST US THIS TIMEThis has never worked. This has never been the case ever.
>>522512679>we wouldn't be greedy if we had more moneydo conservatives actually fall for this shit? I'm not even a lefty but you'd have to be stupid to think the point isn't to milk every dollar they can, there is no magical number that the rich will reach where they pass savings onto the middle and working classes kek.
>>522520600>The only way that taxing the rich would actually help the economy is if that money was exclusively used to pay down government debtThen you are dumb, becasue that literally wouldn't help in the slighest. In less than FOUR years that 8 trillion would already be back on the books in debt. And we would have canabalized every industry.
>>522520779>trickle down has worked 100% of the time it has been tried, but trust me it will fail next time we try itGo to Reddit
>>522520797You’re as dumb as a leftie. You think a landlord wants to murder their own tenent? Makes no sense lol
>>522520438taxing the rich isn't liquidating all of their assets kek. I do agree though that the debt has been allowed to go so long there is no paying it back or solution to it at this point.
>>522520815You’re incredibly uneducated.If the USA government massively cut spending, massively cut regulations, taxed the wealthy, it could balance the budget and then the real value of the debt along with debt to gdp would decline over time.Your lack of education is no excuse
>>522520522let's say you have an average salary of $60,000 a yearWith no expenses it would take you>six months to pay for a cheap car>a year to pay for a nice truck>four years to pay for a college degree>five years to pay for an average house>two months to pay for your baby's deliverybut these terms are all stretched ten-fold or more, and then you pay a chunk again as much in interest, which is to say you will actually never earn a dime for yourself>>522520663Championing trickle-down policy is just stabbing yourself in the gut unless you are as good at economics as you sound and you're in the financial sector then yeah let's go private lending. Otherwise you sound like a communist except trickle-down has never been tried before.
>>522520797>so dumb you don't know that pricing takes into consideration taxes and tariffsYou good dude? How do NONE of you understnad that invisible hand of the market? It's basic ass economics. If you jack your prices up to get rich, I will undercut you to steal your business. It's simple. Rent has almost no profit margin, the MAJOR benefit is taxes and someone else paying off the debt. The "profit" on rent is laughable after one roof or AC repair.
>>522520884Where did I say that? Landlord is always going to charge the maximum amount of rent they can get away with. It has zero to do with how much money they already have. If they can rent their place for 5k a month they are going to do that. There is nothing you can do to stop that, cutting taxes for them wouldn't magically make them go "well I can rent this house out for 5k but I'll do it for 3k" lmao. Supply and demand is not that complicated.
>>522520981So about 10000000 caveats that you didn't mention>why didn't you just read my mind bro.>it's not my fault my statement was dog shit!Fuck off moron.
>>522521030So you really believe a house in a major city that can be rented out for 6k a month would be rented out cheaper by simply cutting taxes?
>>522521010not an argument against trickle down. Try harder or do like I suggested and read some actual books and get mad at the right things.
>>522520797>you'd have to be stupid to think the point isn't to milk every dollar they canyou'd have to be even stupider to think that means they'll keep raising prices until nobody can pay for anythingthe point is to make money, not to force everyone to stop using money because they raised the prices to infinity and never lowered them
>>522520834Worked for who, faggot? Trickle down certainly "works" for the wealthy elites at the top who make more money. The problem is it never helps the rest because instead of "trickling down", the elites just pocket the extra cash. You are a kike nigger. Stop posting
>>522521086You could have asked for more explanation, obviously policy comes in a package.You’re stupid as fuck
>>522521135You don't even seem to know what scarcity is so I wouldn't lecture anyone on reading books
>>522520374The rich should just leave and take their money with them if they don't like the current rate of taxation.I wonder why more of them don't actually do that? It's probably their money can be replaced by the State with a few keystrokes, whereas they can't take their land with them.
>>522521069Supply and demand would force them to drop the rent price it’s not complicated
>>522521135I guess if you zoom the perspective out enough to where you can't see anything then yeah sure you're right number go up.Oops trickle-down accidentally the economy again
>>522512679I am a fan of the government taking ownership of all multi-unit dwellings. Either a miracle happens and the government doesn't grossly mismanage and neglect the homes of tens of millions of bugmen any worse than the existing landlords, or a bunch of urban*ids receive the consequences of their myopic ideologies.
>>522521191>you'd have to be even stupider to think that means they'll keep raising prices until nobody can pay for anythingThey don't have to do that, they just have to do it to the maximum point that they still get renters. Rent will always be set at the highest point they can get away with, it's just logic. The demand for housing is through the roof, I'm not going to rent my house to you for chump change when someone else will rent it for more.
>>522521192>said from an IPhoneIt’s so ironic
Why does the left always want to take from others . Everyone hates you.
>>522521232That’s a myth, you can’t actually do that .
>>522521211lol, this faggot thinks he knows what scarcity means after spending the whole thread proving he doesn't
>>522521250except that demand is way larger than supply, there is housing scarcity. In my city you go to rent a place and there is a 1000 other people competing for the same place, landlords can easily be choosey the game is in their favor. There is a shortage of housing, not a shortage or renters.
>>522512679charlie kirk would never of said that
>>522521314How about we just jail all Rural retards for being Socialists/Communists
>>522521403You think saying "hey landlords have the cards and renters don't" is socialism lmao
>>522521192Trickle down logically can't work. The entire reason why the wealthy are wealthy is because they save. They are also at the end of the day just individual people -- their actual capacity for stimulative consumption is limited.Personally, I wouldn't really bother trying to take them at higher rates. I would just go around them entirely with massive public investments in things like public housing, neo-Homestead Act, state-subsidized and state-owned nuclear power, skyscraper-scale indoor farms, etc. Just go around them and drown them out with supply so no one is forced into paying them rents.
>>522521338You're a retard
>>522521413Lowering taxes would still shift the equilbirium price level of rent downwards
>>522512679you want truth nuke, i give you pure uncorrupted truth nuke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomaVuGfm9c#t=5m0s ask chatgpt if boris yeltzin was extremely corrupt who used putin in his first days to help him to stay in power by blackmailing russian prosecutor.. "
>>522512679cuckservative moment
I'm tired
>>522521124Taxes are a PART of it for sure. If I know I am eating a 40-50% tax (in some states) on profit I have to adjust my rent to match. SO DOES LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE. But let's say it drops to a flat 10%, but I try to keep my pricing. Joe Goldsilverstein will drop his rent slowly in conjuntion with the tax savings to steal renters. Then Heimrich Metalsberg will undercut him a bit. Then down we go until we hit roughly the same profit % as before but with a much lower monthly rate needed.This also would have to tie into less redtape which MASSIVELY inflates construction costs, insurance costs, etc. But reducing say a $6,000 rent where say $2,0000 was profit (mostly saved for repairs and taxes) I could now drop it to $5,000 and undercut the other jew? And still make the same RELATIVE money.... YEAH that's business.
>socialism has shafted me!>no, capitalism has shafted me!
>>522521463>the wealthy are wealthy because they saveYou literally just proved why trickle down works, the wealthy don’t waste their money on stupid shit, they are responsible
>>522521335>They don't have to do that, they just have to do it to the maximum point that they still get renters.yes, and when the maximum point they still get renters drops because of tax breaks, the rent drops with itthis even happens in third world countries like Argentina, as long as the government stays out of the economy
>>522521270Not an argument. Just more yapping.
>>522521474No it wouldn't lmao, lowering taxes wouldn't suddenly make more houses appear or make landlords want to earn less profit. As long as someone will pay the rent the rent keeps going up. Lowering taxes doesn't suddenly make shelter less valuable. Real-estate is one of the best investments you can make because it's always in demand.
>>522521466You’re dumber than rocks
>>522512679>maybe the wealth will trickle downWe tried that for 70 years and it didn't work. We are no longer hoping richfags do the right thing of their own initiative, now we are going to force them to help their fellow citizens.
>>522521546It does not work -- it cannot work.I don't agree with every point this guy makes, but the overall point is correct.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_7CJbeGCw
>>522521614Taxing the rich to death has been done for 40 years and has been disasterous
>>522517766Are these market forces in the room with us right now?
>>522521532>it's everyone else's fault but my own that I'm a loser!this type of thinking is what makes losers keep losing
>>522519036Yes, in the 1800s money was less important to the civilization. There was still the church. The elites in Europe were not from the merchant class. I'm not convinced we can turn the clock back.The more important money becomes to a civilization, the more that civilization is in decline. Even the arguments we're having now on the nature of money/debt and what monetary system to use - this is evidence of the decline. The entire civilization has turned into one group of people indebting themselves to the banks and using those loans as a gamble in order to scam other people out of their money.
>>522521507>Joe Goldsilverstein will drop his rent slowly in conjuntion with the tax savings to steal rentersWhy would he? there is absolutely no shortage of renters, nobody has to be competitive to steal renters anon, most cities a single unit will have 1000's of people trying to rent it. Renters don't have the luxury of being picky or shopping around kek, they go wherever there is a vacancy, or they live on the streets.
>>522521631>I DON'T WANT IT TO WORK BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO SO THEREftfy
>>522521737Because whatever the equilibrium price is before the tax would have to be higher than the equilibrium price after the tax is removed
>>522521595You are so fucking dumb. 11% of the houses and apartments that exist in this country ARE VACANT/FOR SALE. Reddit has you gassed up. There are roughly:>131–142 million housing units>128–131 million householdsThat leaves several million dwellings not occupied by a primary household. you just have to ignore ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. OMG WOW LOOK HOW THAT WORKS!!!! Thanks conservatives for saving the liberals.
Why is rent expensive? It competes with buying homes, which is expensive. Why is that expensive? There's the BIG QUESTION with all of this shit.The answer to this in supply and demand terms is basically wrong, which is of course unthinkable, so think of the demand as being artificially inflated maybe, or supply reduced I don't care.. Saving up $300,000 cash is hard. Taking out a $300,000 loan is much easier. So everything expensive is financed, because it's easier. If it's easier to buy something (the cost appears lower) then more people will buy it. This "reduces the supply" (someone bought it) but suddenly everyone can afford a home instead of nobody. The market tries to regulate since buying it is so easy but this is where the exorbitant costs come in. Examples here>>522521010
>>522521250not when you can just make the government important hordes of spics and jeets for you to always keep demand high and supply low lmao
>>522517962The lords only lost their legitimacy when their role are farm managers failed and resulted in hunger. Modern capitalism is much worse because the shareholders don't even need to be part of the same geographic space, they can be Kuwaitis living off the shareholder returns through their national wealth fund, and the product doesn't need to be tangible like food, it can drugs, porn, or labubu.
>>522521737See>>522521846You moron. You really are proiving yourself to have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
The point is not really about taxation. Taxes DON'T fund government spending. They control inflation.Don't even bother with taxing rich people more. Just go AROUND them with massive government spending and accept an annual inflation rate north of the traditional target of 2%.You just have to make sure that the government spending is channeled and targeted to creating actual productive assets that lower income people have access to or a path to purchase in some instances, whatever that asset may be, instead of just paperwork jobs or money for consumption.
>>522512679>gotta pick between option 1 or 2, goyNo, I don't think I will.
>>522521737>there is absolutely no shortage of rentersuntil suddenly there is
>>522521690>WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE 1%?I dunno, anon... looks like the rich are doing okay to me. Some might even say they're doing so well that they've decimated the middle class and hold a vastly disproportionate amount of the wealth. If anything, we haven't taxed them enough
>>522521878You still need $300k saved up in cash for the down payment tho>>522521927This is MMT and it’s bullshit
>>522512679This new right is so fucking cringe.
>>522522074>1 random company fails>completely ignores all the ones that dont
>>522522146I don’t care about them but I know when you fuck them over like we have the entire economy hurtsWhen giants fall little people get crushed
>>522521927Companies write the policies and they're happy to accept inflation because the existence of a company as an entity is all but unmoored from the wealth of a normal person: is the stock market a truly reliable indicator of economic health?Companies will love to eat inflation until people can't afford to buy their products. I think you're on the money with the reasonable solution/what the government is doing but you're going to keep seeing middle class erasure and an economy of elites buying and selling yachts to other elites, while everyone else eats beans and watches netflix for fun.>make sure that the government spending is channeled and targeted to creating actual productive assets that lower income people have access to or a path to purchase in some instancesUnless this happens. Education is the government's favorite path to push people on with the power of money but that's a self-defeating goal as of course the costs of education increase because of it. There are no easy shortcuts, except mass production apparently.
>>522522192>This is MMT and it’s bullshitIt's MMT and it is operationally irrefutable.You can't have dollars to pay your taxes in the first place until the government spent them into existence at some point, so logically taxes can't fund government spending.
>tax landlords>money goes through the state and maybe you get 10% of its value spread to the entire society>rent increase anyway>don't tax landlords>less taxes means more competition, which means lower rentIt's not that hard to understand
>>522522202only libtards like you who dont love the rich and being their slaves is cringe, going back to serfdom is actually ultra based
>>522522284Money can be created via central bank loans to commercial banks
>>522521846No one cares that there's plenty of housing in Detroit. The problem is the places people want to live are zoned in a way that prevents development. Brooklyn has wide open fields that could have Hong Kong type public housing. City governments killed food trucks because they wanted the property taxes from traditional restaurants.
>>522512679Fox News viewer confirmed. Kys. Ywnbr
>>522522268>but I know when you fuck them over like we haveBut that's the point - we haven't "fucked them over." How do you think we've fucked them? Wealth inequality is at an all time high. The wealthiest 1% own more than at any point in history. The rich own everything while working, middle class people are paycheck to paycheck. You're sympathizing for elites with multiple homes, boats, and private jets while working families are being crushed with debt. Where is your sympathy for them? You don't think they have been "fucked over" more by this system than the Bill Gates of the world?
>>522512679This post really shows how disconnected from reality the “right” is. Effectively there is no right wing in the US. It’s just a bunch of closeted homosexuals that jerk off the sportsball and MAGA slop. “We just want to go back to the 90s.” “Maybe if we cut taxes for the rich they’ll let us keep more money.” Ahaha you seriously think that’s how these people think?!?!. You fucking sucker!
>>522512679aint no one dumb enough to believe this bait
>>522522356>>522522284dual entry says: debit cash in the economy, and credit the national debt
>>522522567You’re proving that there is no left wing“We should tax the rich! Tax the Billionnaire”You’re an NPc sucker who was tricked by the transgenders
>>522522605Nobody is dumb enough to support taxing the wealthyIt’s trolls in this thread pretending to be leftists >>522522629The buyer of the government bond gives up their cash to purchase the bond
>>522522567at this point I only want to vote for young people so that they have to live in shame for the rest of their life when they fuck up
>>522522660>>522522567Left wing and right wing are products of the French revolution after they overthrew the incompetent Bourbon Dynasty.
>>522522713yeah and why are those bonds so good professor?>The USA will never go bankrupt because we can just print more money!
>>522522358>housing is now contingent on where entitled people WANT to live!!!AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHASo you admit there is enough housing, in a time where you can get across the country in about a day..... but since it's not the beach front property for $300 that you WANT, the housing crises is real? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHhAverage liberal.
>If you give rich people what they want, they'll return the favorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.Truly altruistic people, like Ford, are one in a billion. And they get beaten down by the rest.The only thing protecting yourself, is the threat of violence. That doesn't exist in America. The government is completely on the side of the wealthy. So the wealthy exploit you.If you think lowering taxes on the wealthy will benefit you in any way, you are a special kind of retard.
>>522522074>hotelPeople don't use hotels because they don't vacation if economy is shut>apartments Probably out priced the area. If you have apartments worth 1300 a month and you NEED to get a minimum of 900 just to break even - then 5 years go by and the crime rate rockets and the businesses leave the apartment complex falls on its loan and walks away with a abandon building. It goes to a bank and the bank can't sell it because no one wants to buy it. The property tax is way too high. Then it's full of homeless ripping copper out of walls and nailing boards to windows. Drugs needles everywhere. The place is now beyond salvage and not only is it fucked but its part of a greater virus. It spreads and spreads. There is entire blocks in Detroit, not single complexes, but entire blocks thar are like that. Now you see if the city and community is lucky. Some gang moves in, kicks everyone out, takes it over and rents rooms for 500 bucks a month cash. Something so low that the druggie can steal and sell enough to pay. Maybe they use some city law to get running water.
>>522522270The idea that I'm thinking of would still have lots of investment in education. You need skilled people in all kinds of fields.But we need an "employer of last resort" and that should be the government. But if the jobs are like expanding the DMV or paper pushing shit like that, it doesn't work. We need a federal job guarantee program, but it's going to have to be more dirty work oriented, like the old Works Progress Administration. You could put people to work building homes and apartments Habitat for Humanity style, where lower skill people can handle some of the stuff but then tradies have to come in for the real work. You can use technologies like mass timber to make the skill barrier to the basic frame out much, much lower. You can have people get a house or an apartment as part of their compensation package if they work X amount of months or years in the program, lowering the cash outlay that would circulate in the money supply.The country just needs more assets that produce things and their access or ownership needs to be widely distributed. There is too much parasitic drag from rents of all kinds in the economy.
>>522522818Correct, it can… but there’s consequences to that too
>>522522852Well people need to live where the jobs are.
>>522512679https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomaVuGfm9c#t=5m0s 5:00 extremely rared known informationi want everything out that epstein could have even theoretically collected, i want it all out in the world, when its out in the world, the world can heal only from truth- first it hurst, but very soon it heals. very soon its like balsam on the wounds of the world
>>522522878>The only thing protecting yourself, is the threat of violence. That doesn't exist in America. I should clarify, the treat of violence does exist. But it's only directed at the poor.
>>522522887You can't fix people right now you can only fix future people. I would go after the perverse incentive if I were president (I won't be). Stop basing high school funding on college acceptance. We don't need retarded girl in college. I would make loans harder to access, and/or just raise interest rates immediately. Raise the retirement age, and cut benefits slightly, basically everything unpopular.Man this democracy shit is a mess. Everything that needs to happen for a good tomorrow is wildly unpopular today, so the solution is to just obfuscate everything and hand out a check.
>>522512679Charles had many millionaire donors. He was a millionaire himself, thats why he would never advocate for regular people
>>522522878>Truly altruistic people, like Ford, are one in a billionNo they're more common than you think, think bell-curve distribution. It's just that they usually like manufacturing (I built this for you) instead of number crunching (your form is incorrect) and guess what go outsourced lmao.People somehow smarter than me know that people group in college by major types and the business people are all chatty slimeball hucksters.
>>522512679I wish there was a fatal virus that only infected landlords and the rich
>>522523186Austerity is the exact opposite of what will work. It's complete nonsense. The wartime economies of the various nations in WWII show exactly how to do it -- you just don't need a war to do it. Just spend money getting stuff done and creating more productive assets -- then as supply comes online, it naturally soaks up all of that inflationary pressure you created.
>>522522529>multiple homes make you richare you fucking kidding me>own 3 properties>cash flow $700 each month>3 mortgages>constant headaches>grease in the drains>muh wheelchair>i have so much debt>grant cardone go fuck yourself
You can't fix america or europe because theres no future in their economies because of inflation and demographics. It has to collapse.How do you even begin to fix the problem in just america when border hoppin spics can come over by the tens of millions and become defacto US citizens like nothing and all they do is take services, get free food, get free rent, become drug dealing criminals funded by the cartel and are a drain on society like niggers who rob.They are completely incompatible with european values, society, just like jeets are in canada, just like muslims in europe, just like abos are in australia.You have to remove these people by any means necessary else collapse.A country has no future if it has no volk.
>>522522852>beach frontNice fantasy. All of San Diego's south bay beaches have been closed for half a decade thanks to raw sewage from Mexico. Despite that, rents in that area have doubled in same number of years because a little shit is a non-issue to jeets and chinks. Yes, we are saying the value is not correspondent to the costs. Get out of the 90s left-right nonsense since can't even define a liberal.
>>522523509You're pretty retarded for someone who claims to own 3 properties. I never said that multiple homes "make you rich." It was simply an illustrative example of the sorts of luxury and conspicuous consumption that wealthy elites engage in while most people have to rent their home and if they do own, they are barely able to afford one, much less the multiple mansions that the rich enjoy.
>>522512679it's like one of those ironically forced memes>>522521421>never of said
Do you guys think OP is coming back?
>>522512679Two More Weeks and trickle down economics will make it rain!Rich people are some of the stingiest people on the planet. They kick back to charity for various reasons. But anon in 3c is not charity.
>>522523870I'm still waiting for this kike worshipping leaf to come back and explain to me how we have "fucked over" the 1% when they are objectively better off than anyone else has been in history>>522522268
>>522523870Some turning point faggot. Probably a college kid who doesnt have plans on thanksgiving weekend doing this FOR FREE because theres a million of those ass kisses out there. take that for what its worth when he tries to tell you how the world works.
>>522523737you sound retarded for owning zero properties.this is a long term investment, at least 10 years or more. ywnbaw
>>522522887>>522523186>being this late to the relevant conversationThe government has been creating fake jobs since the New Deal. Podunkville wouldn't be the location of a prison if that wasn't a jobs base for the local economy. All that divides politics is what type of fake job you want the government to create. Education, social work, bureaucracy are "left" and farm subsidies, prisons, military and police are "right."
>>522515734>Corporations should be forbidden from owning land, the ONLY landowners in America should be citizensguess again libcuck dem tranny Trump says thats communism
>>522524281When did I say I own zero properties? Seriously, anon, you need to learn how to read. How did you close on a house when you're illiterate? Did you get someone to read and explain all of the paperwork to you?
>>522512679she's cuteis she aislop?
>>522524427she’s made for bbc slop
>>522515734That wouldn't do as much as it sounds. Mexico has something like that where you can't really own property along the border, you need to enter into an agreement with a bank where they own it but you're the exclusive renter or something. Whatever the details, it doesn't prevent Americans from living there or doing business.
>>522524384chatgpt nigga
>>522524061>>522524247While we're waiting for OP to come back can either of you explain how the state stealing more from people more successful than you is likely to improve your lot in life?
>>522524847>raise taxes on rich>lower taxes on middle class>therefore, more money for me
>>522524337Farm subsidies have a deeper aspect as relative food independence is a matter of national security. A lot of jobs, firefighter, policeman, postal worker, are 100% legit. Bureaucracy ranges from just as good to absolutely comical, topping out with the DC lawyers.Education is the biggest key of all but that has to do more with highschools deciding who does what and where. Prison or college seems like where 90% of high schoolers in cities go. School is lefty because women love to teach children, and women lean more left, and that dynamic must have been entrenched and only grown long ago. That or it's the long march through the institutions
>>522524847>more successfulBeing peasant descended genetic shit isn't doing you any favors. The rich include drug dealers and OF whores. The pet rock guy invests in real estate and suddenly he's a big man, so so important.
>>522513213Does the elite include government workers who get to pick winners and losers in the economy by spending an average of 20,000 dollars per america, but this 20,000 is concentrated on a handful of americans and most get nothing?Are those people elite because of their government positions or does this not count and we're only counting rich people?
>>522512679More Free housing for illegal beaners!Newsom 2028!
>>522512679Based. Only lefty troons disagree with this.
>>522512679Deport beaners and housing demand goes down, prices go down too.Simple as
>>522512679Assume lowering taxes for landlords. How would that incentivize the landlords to refrain from maximizing their profit by keeping the rent too damn high? TPUSA are nigger tier liars.
>>522512679Top 20 NYC slumlords are racial jewsOP is a faggot
>>522515585>pro kike>Bong flagSaar...
>>522517623Being a Jew is wrong. Pencilman was a Jew. Therefore...
>>522525172Logically it makes the most sense for people doing the best in a specific type of environment to pay for that environment's upkeep. The Nvidia chink nerd would not have been at the top of China's warlord era.
>>522512956If you think the government not stealing value through taxes and inflation from those who’ve earned it is ‘trickle down economics’ then you’re even more retarded than was previously though possible.
>>522525385They started with the word "maybe" for a reason. MAYBE the greedy, capitalistic, jewish landlord will forego more money to keep your rent the same. And MAYBE I'll win the lottery 10 times in a row.
>>522525695Even if we totally disregard China as a communist state despite that being how they describe themselves, the Soviet bloc lasted for at long as the present French republic. No capitalist society has survived without demographic changes.
>>522512956Meanwhile, while both sides remain deadlocked, the parasite class continues to FEAST on both. And the Trees are all kept equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw.
US has 110 million spics and niggers who are either criminals, related to criminals or just plain leeches on the country while flying their flag, all the while jews control the federal reserve and white americans who even have a semblance of loyalty to the flag get poorer everyday through inflation usury, no gold standard and leeching browns that the government does nothing to mass deport.You are delusional if you think america has any future whatsoever or trump will do anything, we are heading straight for collapse and balkanization. Maybe some midwest zoomers will start a nationwide militia and there will be a new government installed but america as a unified country is coming to an end. You can say the same about any other western country. In canada its the jeets, in europe its niggers and mudslimes. White people are not the problem
>>522512679maybe the landlord doesn't need 5 acres of land and 3 yachts while farming people they know will never get even a fraction of that material comfort.
>>522512679Capitalism works in that you will be squeezed for all your worth, so you better develop some spines to be unsqueezable like a hedgehog
>let"Let", like in the way hundreds of millions of people "let" landlords live? By not killing them? Pretty nice of all those people, randoms on the street, really, people filling in seats at the restaurant, everywhere a man goes.
>>522526237>balkanizationThe Balkans prove that race is a weak basis for nationalism when Serbs and Bosniaks are the exact same genetic stock but simply following different flavors of abrahamic bullshit is enough to cause division.Colombia is the country whose present day demographic proportions most closely resemble America's future.>a white minority that is most represented in positions of power>a large mixed race population (half of U.S. Latinos and Asians mix with whites)>a black minority>an "Asiatic" minority (Asians from Asia in the U.S., racially Asian natives in Colombia)
>>522512956>trickle-down economicsJust a retarded political slogan and mostly just a straw man. No such thing in reality. The schools of economics is Monetarism. It's just Keynesian economics rebranded for """"right wingers."""" This is more likely what's straw-man to as "trickle down." It just puts the emphasis more on (((central banking))) than on government intervention. Whereas Keynesian economics has just as much (((central banking))) but with more (((government intervention))).>real laissez-faire capitalism hasn't been triedExcept it has been tried. The US colonies when they were printing their own currency prior to the post-Indian war intervention had laissez-faire for the most part. It was also when the colonies were completely outpacing Britain economically. The intervention after which caused a lot of damage to the colonial economies especially as the (((bankers))) in England got the crown (complicit with (((bankers))) since William I) to forbid the colonies to print their own money and implemented some taxes intended to destroy the economy under the guise of "getting the colonists to pay for the war."It's interesting to note that as long as there are (((bankers))) and various browns, you cannot have Laissez Faire as (((bankers))) will always use their ability to control the monetary supply to bribe politicians into pushing for intervention (if they're not already blackmailing them). This is why the establishment of a white ethnostate with Kikes and browns eternally banned is necessary to create a prosperous economy WITHOUT DEBT (a tool used by kikes for control).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJrkutSC6wwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOd7GOtsz8Did you know Marx (true name was Moses Mordecai Levy-Karl) advocated for (((central banking))) as one of the primary goals of his movement?
>>522512679I always thought TP in tpusa meant toilet paper.
>>522526805Talmudic pedophiles
>>522526746>ashckully the golden age was when it was a nearly uninhabited continent in a world with one eighth as many peopleYeah no shit. Not really a model that can be reproduced. The fact is China achieved the dream of economic growth while stabilizing population, but christnigger conservatives don't want to acknowledge the success of a godless society.
>>522513318>How does taxing or not taxing a group change the housing supply or the value of a dollar?It's common for people to raise prices of goods in general in response to tax increases to keep margins up. It's not necessarily related to "the value of the dollar." Why should a Landlord not raise prices if property taxes go up and they know they will still be able to find someone to rent out the house? Voting for higher taxes is generally a vote for higher prices in general. BTW, taxes do not fund governments. Taxes only exist to fund debt to a (((central bank))) which is used to fund a government. Every nation today has debt to a central bank because it uses a debt-based currency (debt to the (((bank))) in exchange for printing the currency) instead of a commodity based currency such as a Gold and Silver standard or some other commodities suitable to be held in reserve. Taxes in the current system are a Hebraic instrument of control. Not a way to fund a government.
>>522512679yes. But unironically.nobody owes you a place to stay.buy a place of your own or pay rent or figure something else out.those who hate land lords are subhuman evil scumbags.>t. homeless and living out of my vehicle for four years
>>522522247>>522522886>but that wasn't REAL bankruptcystill demonstrated that your anti-landlord bullshit is invalid, seethe cope and dialate
>>522527313The illusion of Chinese prosperity is secret both them and the USA prop up. Think 1984 where everyone profits from some bullshit paper dragon threat. In reality China mandates each of it's districts (they're like the size of California) to increase GDP. Someone is out of the CCP if they don't get their GDP quota up. So you get ghost cities and China's obscene record-setting concrete use. The ghost cities prop up the Chinese economy because people buy the units and don't move in (moving in lowers the value) and they often just fall apart. Remember the towers that people bought into before they were built? And when the company folded people had bought non-existent condos. Halve China's nominal GDP and you get a realistic figure. Also the land, sea, and air in China is poison and everyone wealthy only buys food from overseas.>no China is super brilliant dude they have 108 average IQ like 100% legitoh yeah that's einstein liveleaking his guts all over the factory floor huh
>>522513240Did France just sit on their asses in the 19th century?
>>522527313>it was a nearly uninhabited continent in a world with one eighth as many peopleSo lets deport all the browns and kikes so we can have a continent with half the amount of people with a stable population. >Not really a model that can be reproduced. It can be reproduced. Get rid of the browns and Jews. Ban Usury. I don't care about GDP. GDP is just large amounts of money changing hands between a small handful of people. The majority of people can be barely scraping by and in debt yet still have a high GDP. >The fact is China achieved the dream of economic growth while stabilizing populationChina did not achieve that through any socialist policies. It achieved that by ignoring communist economics and selling out their population as collateral and for slave labor to Jews in the west who wanted to use slave labor instead. Meanwhile in spite of GDP going up, the vast majority of people in China, just like in the US, do not really benefit from it. Most of it is just numbers on a page in a stock exchange just like every other Hebe controlled economy. This as well:>>522528157
>>522526631The idea of a nation as appears in Herodotus, thousands of years before the creation of your country, is based on four things: common blood, common language, common religion, common customs. No-one ever said race alone is enough to create a nation. You are, unfortunately, too American to understand such matters.
>>522528435>>522528157Uh huh. So the Paris in Las Vegas started putting up signs in English and Mandarin because of all those mainlanders fleeing newly built cities that are uninhabited. China is obviously a completely different and wealthier society since just the 90s. You're the same types of insecure cowards who can't acknowledge blacks better anything relative to whites either.
>>522529007Vegas is hemorraging money and if the people still going there are Chinese then finethey're Chinese. They've lost every war against themselves
>>522528996So an Austrian and German are different because despite the same blood and language, one is Catholic and the other Protestant so they create different nations. Like I said, that just means the blood element is overstated on this board as a unifying element.
>>522518128>uh... like... everybody knows that OKAAY???shut up, retard
>>522529318Common blood is necessary but not sufficient.
>>522529318Anyway, I don't hate you and I don't want to appear holier than thou or anything like that, it's just my unshakeable belief that racial unity still remains a necessary prerequisite for a functioning society. I believe this is due to animal instincts, not easily removed.
>>522512679>baitJews rape kids.
>>522519815>The government isn't naturally involved in what money is, where it comes from or who has it.Yea, except it's definitely supposed to be involved in those first two items according to the Constitution itself:>Article I, Section 8, Clause 5:>[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; The existence of the Fed usurps this power from Congress. Congress gave it away in 1913 surely on the promise of kickbacks. Bribes from jew bankers are less traceable than attempting to pilfer the Treasury.To be clear, the Treasury still exists and does print some nominal amount of money. But the vast majority of money is created via the fractional reserve mechanism and on the ledgers of the Fed. Since 2008, they have taken this to the next level with QE. Long story short, the Fed buys up any shitty underperforming assets from banks whenever they need a bailout, which turns out to be all the fucking time. Picrel shows the accumulation of Wall Street fecal matter by the Fed since 2008, which is an insane amount if you compare it to the national debt. Meanwhile, the government pretends to have to borrow the money they allow banks to generate for free.All of this could be solved if deposit and loan banking were to be nationalized. It would take more than just getting rid of the Fed, as banks create money regardless by making loans on less than 100% reserves.
>>522512956>Imagine two joozs throwing strawmen at each otherngmi thread
>>522512956most people have objectively gotten richer since the 80s though
>>522529894On paper the Fed controls the minimum number of funds that banks must have but this really amounts to prisoners running the prison since the Fed members are all straight from big banks. That's the only reason the show keeps going on, that and nobody wants the party to stop
>>522517626they're elite at conception because their parents fuck kids and worship satan. nobody who has ever had a real job can even be elite lol
>>522529894>>522530218It would be nice if there could be savings or wealth growth from just banking, but the only way to do that is by investing, which means providing equity to the corporate cronies indebted to the banks whose share price jumps anytime there's a quarter percentage point reduction on their obligation.
>>522512798No. What the landlord has to pay and your willingness to pay is are two completely different things.There is no relation between those things
>>522530096Fun fact: the required reserve ratio has been 0 since March of 2020. Banks stopped pretending that they need any reserves at all since they will always bail themselves out via the Fed money printer. And all the subsequent retarded political messaging around inflation tried to place the blame anywhere and everywhere but the supremely obvious correct answer: an unprecedented jump in the money supply.
>>522521717this image presumes that running a casino (or at least not bankrupting it) is the same difficulty as winning an Olympic medal
>>522531774Sports competition is mostly a scam anyway since no amount of hard work training can make someone have the body proportions and mechanics that allow excelling in a specific type of movement.
>>522512679Who the Fuck comes up with this garbage?The only way you make a billion dollars is cutting corners, with is theft, plain and simple.I'm looking forward to seeing every one of you cunts eaten alive or hanging from lamp posts.
>>522525940>No capitalist society has survived without demographic changesNo society anywhere on earth has survived without demographic changes, with the possible and temporary exception of North Korea, dumbass. But history is littered with the ruins of societies that embraced demographic change and died. Mayans, Aztecs, Romans, Persians…
>>522512679ok boomer
>>522512679Communist cucks in this country went full on Lenin mode on landlords here... Guess what happened? They all sold and rent prices went up LMAOnon land-owners should not be allowed to vote, change my mind (protip: you can't).
>>522512679Not true if you are from China you tax the shit out of billionaires kill scare them if they don't pay. Billionaires that aren't your friend or giving benefits to people >>522512679
>>522512679>remove property taxes>landlords say fuck you and raise the rent anyway with a “whatchu gonna do bout it?” attitudeKill yourself
>>522513240It’s happening right now, and the rich are winning
>>522533501>people can charge infinitely for their servicesretarded view of economics that doesn't understand basic supply and demand
>>522533280If you fucking retards haven't learned by now, after the whole budlight trans bullshit, that profit is the secondary motivation for everything (((they))) are doing, you should just take another booster and fuck off.
>>522512956>trickle-down economicsLiterally a made up leftist boogeyman that doesnt exist
>>522520744They're right about everything Why do you suck central banker cock?
>>522512798Pull your self up by the boot straps and build your own house
>>522521614>We tried that for 70 yearsYou are a fucking tool lmao
>>522517626>just rape kids for jews and become their shabbos goyNo thanks, faggot.
>>522522146You people support central banking and then wonder why inequality has radically increased lmao
>>522521532We need National Socialism. Time to kick jews out of power and seize their wealth.
>>522532901Demographic change is bad phrasing, but I meant genetic composition of inhabitants. Communist states have had more success creating long periods of sustained genetic uniformity in their jurisdictions. During the Cold War the Warsaw Pact had no change in ethnic composition while the capitalist white countries became less white over the same period. China is still roughly the same percentage Han as since Mao.
In an effort to make housing affordable for students and lowly wagies, the state hands out gibsmedat to pay rent. So what did owners do? They raised the rent. Every year, billions of euros of taxpayer money are spent to end up in boomer pockets.
>nobody talking about the actual solution
>>522531059Banks are pretty good at generating wealth for themselves and their goodest goy billionaire pals. Even despite historic levels of inflation from 2021-2023, their share of total wealth is at an all time high. Regular Joes have gotten to see some benefit if they own stocks, thanks to QE driving the "Everything Bubble" of past decade. But the banker parasites in charge know this system can only lead to eventual collapse so this is why we've been seeing real estate and farmland getting snatched up by private equity at unprecedented rates. The little guy will be left holding the bag as per usual. Or fighting in WW3 which is one of the obvious ways they can try and reboot the dying system. This reminds me of how European central banks started hoarding gold in the years leading up to WW1 (picrel). And this is reminiscent of the current push by money printer fueled elites to buy up real estate.
>>522534444Government should get out of monetary issues entirely
The following redpill isn't just hard to swallow. It's literal death via knowledge for the wrong person. We're talking dozens of gallons of cyanide compacted into a single gram. It’s okay if you don't want to swallow it, but I PROMISE if you do, you'll come out better than 97% of your peers — mathematically guaranteed. Anyways it's this:Cars are the worst possible thing you can buy.I'll say it again. Okay? Cars are the worst possible thing you can buy.I know. I know, I know. It feels like I'm a hill trying to trick you or some radical urbanist, but just dip your toes in this rabbit hole for a second.Roughly 100 years ago, the American banks were making astronomical amounts of money as there was endless post-war prosperity. It could have gone on forever. It really could have. But then the elite got greedy. They got used to their endless wealth and wanted more. But what do you do when the consumers are already paying all they can? You get them with debt.Until that point, the American public was making it and achieving the American dream. Even the American Negro was finally reaching peak freedom.But it wasn't enough, so the powers in charge pushed the original commerical car and told you that you weren't "in" unless you had one. There was just one problem: the American man couldn't afford this invention. So what did they do? They pushed the modern credit system for the first time. They do now, so they make it feel "normal" to go into debt all just for something that wasn't necessary and could have been fixed with more buses/trains. They told you it was normal. That you're being cool and adult by going into debt and losing everything.This very push for debt later in that century would cost the banks to loan too much money. Once the banks ran out of money to borrow and it was time to pay up, it would cause the greatest economic disaster in history.Yes. The commerical car caused The Great Depression. You can look it up.
The Crises of economic hardship and global war kept the problem at bay, but by the 50s, people had money again, but they still needed to keep the masses subordinate and debt lest they will achieve true freedom, so what did they do? They created the highway system. It wasn't framed as "for commercial transportation to keep you in debt" as you could always just have more buses and trains. No, instead of was framed as "logistics" to fight the Soviets. This narrative help push the lie you see today: That cars are a way to fight freedom and that by being indebted to your neo-federalist rulers, you are somehow fighting communism.This bill was approved with a 388–19 supermajority of McCarthyist Neo-Boomers rather than actual people who cared about transportation.This would be the death of the land of the free.Suburbs created pseudo dystopic timebombs that are forced to take over.Foreign countries took over the businesses making us reliant on outsiders that could blackmail us at anytime.Drive thrus skyrocketed the obesity rate.Walking didnt die out organically. It was made illegal by autolobbyists who put machine over man.Climate change destroyed the land.Churches became more cult-like and isolated as man could just drive away to more hugbox grifters dressed as preachers who promised more money to pay off the debt that cars put them in.Yes, Cars paved the way for the moral collapse of Christianity through prosperity Gospel grifters. Look up "Post-Automobile Congregational Mobility" if you don't believe me. Its a redpill in itself.
>>522533600Because they've never faced violence.
>>522534434New houses go up all the fucking time. In fact entire new neighborhoods go up all the time. They then proceed to charge $450,000 for a glorified toothpick frame and some drywall thrown up in 30 days by a bunch of Mexicans who dont measure anything. Literally just eyeball everything and cut it with a saws all and leave 6" gaps and just use long ass nails to hold it together. Meanwhile they intentionally burn down 100 year old neighborhoods because muh "master plan" and "sustainability"
The Mid 2008s was when it all crashed once again . The same high debt mixed with cars, only now there are too many car owners and too much debt. A multi-trillion dollar industry too big to fail.The auto industry received countless billions in bailouts by the government as their jewel can't be erased as they realized something: Yes the tea party and occupy wallstreet being created might be bad, but the car is still gong to make money even with it. The tea party is going to pay for trucks and occupy wallstreet is too obsessed with racial lines to ever meaningfully challenge the auto industry. So Americans would blame credit card companies and the politicians but not why and what they were spending on and not what policies were making the auto industry that necessary to bail out.Fast forward to today, and everyone feels the need to dry and even immigrants, but legal and illegal immediately flock to get a license to drive before even getting a job.Stoads keep us further divided between unwalkable streets killing communities.Rural America is in a perma death spiral where they get blocked off by the highways, restricting their opportunity, forcing them to become more secluded, which demands for more cars, to put them into more debt.
>Cool history lesson, but what does that have to do with me?Assuming you pay 700 month in cars, you are missing out in 288000 over 40 years. This doesn't sound like a lot, until you think of the opportunity cost. That same 700 a month invested for an average of 5% yearly is literally over a million dollars. Add everything else you save and you will do better than literally 97% of the population.This is what they don't want you to know.They want you to keep spending because spending keeps the economy going.But this is how you break out. Just by skipping out of a car.But you can do it. You can escape a system that kills 360 million animals a day. That destroys God's beautiful earth with ugly roads and smog clouds.You can vote for whoever you want without worrying about gas prices.Then there's pure idea THAT you broke free. It means that all algorithms, systems and market research can't detect you. They literally can't enslave you anymore. You're free and when you're free, you can start to see the truth of it all. You own yourself. Not the credit system. Not the banks. Not the auto industry. You.
>How do we escape?There's only one way for you personally and society as a whole to escape:To imagine a different world.It's that simple, but it's harder to really internalize.The sad truth of the matter is that the system isn't believed because it's effective, it's effective because people believe it. The great lie of car centricity. Is perhaps one of the biggest ones of all time.Most Americans quite literally can't imagine using public transportation.Most Americans quite literally can't imagine walking 30 minutes to work.Most Americans imagine living without a car.Bust most Americans are also in debt, living paycheck to paycheck.It has become their reality. It's "normal" to lose your money. Your value.It doesn't have to be yours. And that's the secret.Whenever you bring up this stuff, you will be the same answer:"Okay maybe it's bad, but care are necessary"And that's the real trap. If they convince you it's "necessary" to get a car, then it means it's "necessary" to go into debt and it's "necessary" to keep the system up. Anything such as NYC's congestion tax is instantly wrong no matter what the numbers or math show. It is their reality.We need to escape this way of thinking. We need to realize that the math of the car doesn't make sense and that you're being tricked into buying something that doesn't make sense because of an unstable system that wasn't supposed to work for us.It will be hard. I will not lie. It will be maybe the biggest choice in your life.You will have to turn opportunities, you will have to look your parents, wife and children in the face and say "so am not getting a car". People will harass you nonstop about needing a ride. They will harass you about getting a car. You will walk sidewalks. They will insist you're going to get hurt despite how unbelievably common car crashes are. They will force 50 car commercials down your throat each sports game and movieBut it is necessary. It is your reality.
>>522534837>New houses go up all the fucking timeNot even remotely enough.The housing units to population ratio keeps falling.Governments just don't let people build. It's a major problem.
>>522534906>There's only one way for you personally and society as a whole to escape:Yes, it's called violence. That's how our ancestors survived.
>trickle downtried, failed
>>522517626Aaah yes, people with jobs, otherwise known as "the elite"
>>522535669>>trickle downIt's not a real thing and you fell for the boogeyman.
>>522535945trickle down is how tax cuts for the rich was sold to the masses
>>522536093Effective taxes on the rich are around the same as they were in the 1950s.The reason there is so much inequality now is the endless money printing from central banks(which you retards support)
trickle down works and is simple common sense. those in opposition to it are likely brainwashed idiots from academia who were indoctrinated with class envy doctrine by their leftist professors.
>>522534598That's essentially the system we have today though if you recall that the Fed is not "the government," despite the President getting to appoint the governors. In practice that just means that the banks get to own the presidency as well.The red line in picrel is how much money the government has physically printed the good old fashioned way, and the blue is how much the banks have made out of thin air with their Federal Reserve cartel.I understand being averse to more government involvement, and certainly not the modern US system. But all we've gotten by handing over the monetary system to private banks is unlimited inflation and the national debt. As it stands, banks get almost all the profit from money creation which makes little to no sense given what the Constitution says about that and how all historic governments have operated. Perhaps we simply need to be taxing the shit out of all banking activity that ties into the private money printer mechanism. Seigniorage (profit from creating money) should be a benefit that accrues primarily to taxpayers, not the jew bank club.
Imagine believing this.
>>522536685>That's essentially the system we have todayWhat? We have a central bank which prints a fuckton of money and the government spends this money causing inflation and malinvestment.>the Fed is not "the government," It was created by the government and it's profits go right back to the US treasury.
>>522525172Sorry, I dont know what youre talking about.
>>522512679how about EVERYONE gets to keep their money? that seems the most fair
>>522512679Perhaps fixing the scam lefties use to steal money from everyone might do itVenezuela is the world capital of VOTE Rigging for 72 countries.Smartmatic Dominion that started with getting obummer elected and stealing the 2020 is getting paybackhttps://www.theburningplatform.com/2025/11/29/the-electorate-isnt-50-50-the-real-split-is-more-like-60-40-center-right-the-steal-is-on-in-72-countries/#more-382968Believe what you want about oil or drugs. Trump is pissed and it’s a KARMA thingTrust the PayBackTPUSA has been compromised Taxes are actually illegal Nothing changes now that Kirk has been replaced. Same ol same ol with them now
