What’s the board’s general consensus on Mussolini? I could never really get a decent reading on the guy’s reputation. I know he isn’t as loved as Hitler, but he has his fans right? What do italianons think of him?
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Great leader who did most things right and guided Italy through the depression pretty well until the disastrous alliance with Germany, which dragged Italy into a world war with lies (Ribbentrop promised no war until 1945 and then hid Operation Barbarossa from Italy until the last minute)
>>522516144Well, unlike Hitler, he wasn't a meth-addicted genocidal lunatic who went out of his way to get tens of millions of Europeans slaughtered. So obviously this brown incel board is going to like Hitler more.
>>522516699Mussolini actually intervened tried to stop Hitler’s horrible treatment of the Polish and tried to deescalate the war. It’s sad how history played out.
>>522516144Everyone mocks his war performance, but his pre-war leadership transformed Italy from a corrupt agrarian middle east-tier laughingstock into a less corrupt comfy prosperous european peer.
>>522516144His WWI arc is criminally underrated internationally. He used to be a member of the Socialist International at the time, so he toed the party line, tapped the sign, and dodged the draft by fleeing to Switzerland. He kept writing articles for his newspaper where he denounced WWI as a "burgeoise war".Then one day, for no reason at all, he completely changes tune and starts shilling for Italy to join the War on the side of the Entente. Coincidently his newspaper started to receive funding from the British around the same time. Mysterious
>>522516699Kill yourself, kike filth.
>>522516144weak faggot
>>522516144Both fascism and nazism ultimately come from socialist roots but that in itself is not a bad thing. What was bad is that Mussolini, and the Italians as a whole were too weak for what they were asked, asking to do during the war, which ultimately caused disaster. Should have held back and waited, and italy would have ended up like Francoist Spain. There was a lot of good will in America especially. Mussolini was liked, Balbo went there on his long flights and so on. The New Deal was mostly adopting Italo-Fascist ideas and so on. I understand Germany was on a roll and looked like the strong horse but fuck's sake.
>>522517084WW1 was good for Italy in the end, even despite the Vittoria Mutilata. Italy needed to take a side in such an important war and the Central Powers weren’t going to return any of the terra irredenta, they also broke the Triple Alliance numerous times and clearly never respected Italy as an ally. Woodrow Wilson ruined everything, probably because he intensely hated Italians. Which is the same reason he mutilated Hungary, another ethnic group he hated.
>>522516144Literally a fascist. His rescue from the Siberian prison by winged nazis bros is one of my favorite points of history.SI!
>>522517434Italy is a weak, agrarian country by this point in time, like finland. Did a lot better than finland, had some great military units with great exploits (unlike finland)Decima Flottiglia MAS were on par with ANY other special forces branch fighting in the war, and showcased true warrior spirit.
>>522516144Should i even bother?
>>522517519neck yourself, you kikeWoodrow Wilson is the only reason Italy "won" the warso your entire argument makes zero sensebut that is typical of a kikeI bet you masturbate every day to the sight of dead germans
>>522517434Yep war is the ultimate test of everything.He should have done like Franco and stayed out.
>>522516144he put out legislation in order to prevent Siculo-neapolitans to settle in Lombardy, so he was good.
picrel caused me to reevaluate the negative picture jews tried to make about him.
>>522516551>until the disastrous alliance with Germanyit was a glorious alliance that is going to guarantee Mussolini to be a legend for the next 2000 years. Thanks to him Lombardy fought on the side of the white race until the last day of the war. Again, material for myths and legends.
>>522516551No you idiot he was a terrible leader and the alliance was disastrous for Germany. The whole reason Barbarossa failed is because they had to delay it for a couple of months because dipshit Duce decided he needed a military victory of his own after the Germans took France, and he felt shown up by his army's garbage token showing in the invasion of France.So he decides to invade Crete without informing Hitler. Only a tiny island. How hard could it be? It was a shitshow and Hitler had to reroute troops and materials to assist his dipshit friend who was always better at writing romantic trade unionist propaganda or romantic letters to his mistress than organising an effective military. He had the ego of of a little dicked bitch, was prone to bouts of floods of tears and playing gay little love songs on his violin, which he was atrocious at, and changed moods on a whim like an overly emotional womanI love Hitler. I hate Hitler. I love italy and it's people. I hate Italy and it's people.THEN he gets taken out by a putsch in 43 and Germany has to invade to restore him, but he was a puppet and stuck to banging his mistress whilst the Germans did the work of leading his country. After the march in Rome he basically did nothing to improve Italy economically or socially and eventually got them dragged into a war which they were never ready for and which set them back even further.
What made me love Italians is that excerpt from a book about the campaign in North Africa, with a German observing an Italian just enjoying life and being absolutely shocked by it. What happened to Italy was tragic. Nobody could predict Hitler was that deluded he'd try to take on the whole world.
>>522517854>sweden
>>522518831fuckign board is full of shitskins
>>522518935Stay mad Kraut. You can never stop losing to the Russian mongols. Even now Putin is laughing at your weak asses.
He should have spent 20 years improving the military and probably not invaded Greece for no reason.
>>522516144Retarded greaseball like every brown in shitalia
>>522518994oh look, another russian VPN shilsthis entire board is nothign but russians talkign to themselves
>>522518538What did "the Jews" say about him that was a lie exactly?
>>522516144>What’s the board’s general consensus on Mussolini?He's Italian.
>>522518817The month long delay is largely a postwar myth. Read actual OKW sources.
>>522519575please enligthen us kike
>>522519470/Thread
>>522519312they say he was bad for having crushed the jews with the racial laws and he was bad for having fully embraced biological racism with the Manifesto on Race of 1938.He was epic exactly for having done both of above things.
>>522519762He was epic for pretending to believe in shit he didn't actually believe in, just to appease Hitler? Sounds like bitch behavior.
>>522519470he was a Lombard by the current definition of historic/genetic Lombardy. His liberal enemies in the 1920s mocked him for talking about Rome all the time but being in reality a Celt born in the territory of the ancient Senones celtic tribe (Romagna).Good genes, good policies, good legacy.
>>522516144>consensus on Mussolini
>>522516144The most effective pro-white European leader is a left-labeled Danish female named Mette Frederiksen.I think you’re a troglodyte for bringing up 1930s fascist leaders.
>>522519943that's the usual jewish slander. Racism was the law of the land and it was organically dominant in media, culture and university in a completely institutional way. A little hard to make it pass as a thing Mussolini didn't really believe into. In the clownworld, a meme with an out of context quote from 1934 is more important than a state policy backed by the intellectual mobilization of an entire regime and country.
>>522519970You shitalians are all the same non whites for everyone else
>>522516144>What’s the board’s general consensus on Mussolini? I could never really get a decent reading on the guy’s reputation. I know he isn’t as loved as Hitler, but he has his fans right?A failure and a waste of time, a opinion share by Hitler itself:https://archive.org/details/youtube-il_x6-gyNAs>The Hitler and Mannerheim Recording is a secret voice recording of a private conversation between Adolf Hitler and Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, Marshal of Finland and Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Defence Forces, during a secret visit honoring Mannerheim's 75th birthday on 4 June 1942. Thor Damen, an engineer for the Finnish broadcasting company Yle, succeeded in recording the first eleven minutes of Hitler's and Mannerheim's private conversation. Since Hitler never allowed anyone to record him off-guard, it had to be done secretly. Damen's original purpose was to record official birthday speeches and Mannerheim's responses. However, Damen decided to continue recording after the conversation switched from official to private. The SS realized that Damen was recording the conversation, and they immediately demanded to have it stopped. The SS were furious, but Yle was allowed to keep the tape hidden away, never to be opened. The tape was given to head of the state censors' office, Kustaa Vilkuna, returned to Yle in 1957, and made publicly available a few years later. It is the only known recording of Hitler speaking in an unofficial tone and one of the very few recordings in which Hitler may be heard delivering a narrative without raising his voice. The conversation is about Hitler explaining the failure of Operation Barbarossa, Italian defeats in North Africa, Yugoslavia, and Albania, armaments in the Soviet Union, and Romanian petroleum wells.
>>522520056Lombardy held out until the last day of the war. You cannot do that without a supermajority consensus. Butchery by communists+human sacrifice rituals of judeomasonic origin don't translate into popular dissent against Mussolini.
>>522520362There's a difference between being a racist and being an autistically obsessive Nazi-tier racialist. He wasn't the latter. And I doubt he was antisemitic at all, given the whole Jewish mistress thing.
>>522520388>'it*lians'that's a concept you can place in the same category of plausibility of unicorns and tooth fairies.Fascists knew it quite well. Lothrop Stoddard documented that fact in an unassailable way in his "Racial realities in Europe".
>>522516144He was a small fag.>>522519107>>522520388I don't exactly have dark skin like you, but okay I guess.
>>522516144He was incompetent, at least he wasn’t a gorilla nigger brained retard like Franco though
>>522518204He should have joined with Franco and rebuilt the Roman Empire.
>>522520822You shouldn't doubt it. Mussolini's anti-semitism is documented at least since 1915. "Giudismo, boslcevismo, plutocrazia, massoneria" by Giovanni Preziosi (1942) gives all the details of that. No way of proving it wrong.
>>522516144he was pretty based until he decided to ally with Hitler the faggot
>>522518817True analysis
hindsight is kang, if he didn't join Hitler I doubt Italy would've fared much differently than Spain once Franco died(i.e get conquered anyway by globohomo without a shot fired), the battle together with Germany was worth fighting, except much better than what we did
>>522521381>No way of proving it wrong.The fact that he didn't give in to Hitler's antisemitic policy until 1938, and that Italy generally protected Jews from Nazi deportation until Germany occupied them in 1943 proves that he wasn't THAT antisemitic.
>>522521106We WUZ
>>522518876Sweden civilized Finland, without our benevolent guidance you'd be a pagan mongrel without written history.On topic, the best thing about Mussolini was his ability to utterly crush organized crime. It serves as an example on how to clean up a society, a historical FACT on the effectiveness of ultra-violence in curbing the threat of criminality. I'm sorry if you've never had a man of Cesare Mori's caliber in your entire people's history (rikets östhalva notwithstanding)
>>522521381He had no problems with jews in and of themselves, as long as they were sufficiently loyal. The idea of crimes in the blood of people was wholly foreign to fascism, it ultimately being a modernist, left wing ideology, albeit one extremely nationalist and chauvinist in nature
One of the poorer imperators.
>>522516144I don't dislike him, but he was too focused on bureaucracy and too accepting of niggers.The most famous fascist song nowadays is one about catching a pretty Ethiopian wife in the colonies.No, I'm not joking.Ultimately I prefer Hitler, and more than him Codreanu, who is undoubtedly the most based leader to have ever existed.
>>522522251There's a reason fascism had a love affair with the futurist art movement, whereas Nazi art was just trying to rip off ancient Greece / Rome and the Renaissance
>>522522251different kind of jews as well probably, Hitler had to deal with ashkenazim and their power structure, in Italy "Italian" jews were kinda their own thing
>>522522706The Italian national identity was fairly new. All those dialects, all those local variations of the same. The nation itself was young. I'm not surprised hebrews weren't high on the list of priorities when they likely were well educated, wealthy and productive members of society.
Not sure. Istituto Ricostruzione Industriale (IRI) was a holding company built by Mussolini. All the major public industry of Italy were inside of IRI. IRI remained the biggest financial group of the West for 70 years, only Blackrocks and other Judeo-American giants could compare. After the Maastricht Treaty, Italy was sold and IRI was dismantled between 1992 and 2001. For example, Nuovo Pignone was sold to General Electric for the price of the former's portfolio orders worth. In other words, Nuovo Pignone was given away for free. The dealmaker, Ciampi, was elected by Parliament President of the Republic soon after that. The only thing that remains is the knowledge base among Italians themselves, which is why Italian industry remains relatively strong.His racial policy was inconsistent. My grandfather said he got rid of the mafia in Sicily and his jewish neighbours, so he liked him.
>>522523363In the magazine - Veche, No. 50, Munich, 1993; p. 157 - it is stated there: "Mussolini's secretary, Marghertia Sarfatti, was a Jew. The prominent fascist, Angelo Oliviero Olivetti, was a Jew. Gino Arias, another Jew, revised the Italian constitution. The Jew Benelli was a prominent fascist journalist."The Jewish secretary, Margherita Sarfatti, was Mussolini's muse and mistress; She also siphoned finances to him, taught him how to act, and wrote his biography.Ettore Ovazza, a banker who founded the La nostra bandiera ("Our Flag") newspaper (a piece of required reading for all Italian fascists), was Jewish.Guido Jung, Mussolini's minister of finance during the 1930s, was Jewish.230 Jews took part in Mussolini's march on Rome in 1922, which resulted in Mussolini coming to power with full approval of the king. Over 10,000 Jews were in the Italian fascist party.In the magazine - Zhirinovsky's Falcon, No. 4, Moscow, 1993; p. 12, note below - Sergei Zharikov writes: "Mussolini was a purebred Jew, and married to a Jewish woman. And Mussolini's daughter (Edda), as is usual in such cases, was married to Count Galeazzo Ciano."
>>522516144Pathetic. You don't need enemies if you have such allies.
>>522522369You mean the song that was banned while strict anti-miscegenation laws were introduced to the colonial governments. And Italian citizenship was never given to Libyan Arabs or Ethiopians besides a colonial one for collaborators that didn't even let them move to Italy. Where do people get these ideas?
>>522518817>After the march in Rome he basically did nothing to improve Italy economically or sociallyFascism created :Public housing.INPS (state backed workers insurance)National health service.Completed crucial infrastructures such as nationwide railway.Provided economically for large families.Made a mandatory 'Fascist Saturday' : idling youth was forced to phisical training on staurdays.Drained the fucking swamps.And much more.He's obviously very controversial to say the least but he did good things for the country before the war.https://youtu.be/E6LSWYCQoxg
>>522516144He revived the Vatican (napoleon disbanded it).
>>522516144the old ice cream selling italian in my city loved Mussolini
also you can buy Mussolini busts and figures in Rome
>>522518817>he decides to invade Crete without informing Hitlerthis was Greece not Crete. Crete came later and Italian's weren't involved.The Greek fiasco also led to the coup in Belgrade and defection of Yugoslavia from the Axis. (Imagine if Britain had been allied to Germany and Italy invaded Ireland.)
>>522520362No ruler of Italy can afford to be overtly racist. It would piss off half the country.Plus Jews have never been very powerful in Italy.(Italians are immune to the Jewish mindtricks that work so well on Germans and other northern peoples.)
the thread was made because OP is a kikeand the kikes want to revive fascismbut by making it save for jews and Israelthats also why you have never seen a bad Hollywood movie about Mussolini
>>522525247People don’t understand that before Mussolini, Italy was a pretty much a late medieval country with huge regions that more closely resembled the 1600s than the 20th century. Without Mussolini they would have been like Ireland, a dirt poor backwater directly and entirely ran by openly criminal street thugs until at least the late 1990s.
>>522525916The Mafia keeps other scum in check.
>>522526010The kikes murdered him, and they do not want fascism for GOYIM. They fear gentiles having fascism.They only want fascism for themselves. Essentially "we want the good shit, and the gentiles don't deserve it"
>>522526229Yes, even his detractors recognise he modernised the country, the main problem with his legacy (apart the war) is he bought too much into his own cult of personality , the sole man in charge (uomo solo al comando ) is doomed to fail every time because the ruling class quickly become one of corrupted yes men, once the leader is incapacitated everything falls apart.
>>522518204I've never met one Spaniard who would ever discuss Franco no matter their political bent or what part of Spain they were from, even the Basque or Catalan. To where it was the entire country wanted to memory hole him. Why, no idea.
>>522516144You can read his own consensus on himself in "Mussolini si confessa alle stelle", his last interview. He goes over all the things he did right and wrong.
>>522516144>What’s the board’s general consensus on Mussolini?That whatever jews say is a lie.Doesn't narrow it down much but it's a start.
>>522518817He was a typical Italian in other words.
>>522519762Primo Levi said Italians were half assed about enforcing laws against Jews until German troops arrived as enforcers.
>>522526716Do they teach this in shitalian public school these days? Mussolini himself admitted he regretted not having the balls to be a real totalitarian dictator, instead keeping the king and the Gran Consiglio around to bother him for two decades. Matter of fact, Mussolini was arguably the 20th century dictator with the weakest personal power. The cult of personality was entirely for propaganda aimed st the masses, and he half-assed it because he thought it was silly, like when he got mad at Starace for suggesting to keep the lights on in Palazzo Venezia all night long to suggest that IL DVCE NON DORME MAI.
>>522518817>was prone to bouts of floods of tearsTo be fair, Hitler was also quite prone to tears. Ciano's diary recounts that when Hess defected to England and Mussolini met with Hitler to clear the air, the latter "shed tears" for Hess. And on another occasion, Hitler bid a very dramatic farewell to his "only friend and ally in the world" (Mussolini, of course). While understandable, given that it was during the final years of the war and they didn't know if they would ever see each other again, Mussolini considered it all "unnecessary drama" (or a circus; I don't quite recall his exact words). It's always fascinating to see how such authoritarian men had their soft spots
>>522526572Mussolini eliminated the Mafia.The CIA predecessor in the US supported Sicilian crime networks in order to destabilize Italy.
>>522527597what worthless drivel
>>522516144>>522516144He was loved, and lovedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNJAd6h_Ec&list=OLAK5uy_l_ljsu_ii1SMhG7ExcxVxCTSCWorxpxuI&index=2
It does not matter what anyone thinks today. Mussolini and the majority of the men of his time were real men. They were not the pussy men of today, they took action and did what was right for their countries and most importantly their people.
>>522516144He had a big weeny
>>522516144>>be communist>>movement hijacked by germans who are smarter>>no real armed forces, troops march in cardboard boots>>so little numbers in armed forces that when German bro comes to visit they have to parade around the block to give the illusion of strength so German bro will help>>get ass smashed in by niggers in africa>>take German bro down with your shitty version of rome>>get ass strung upOh yeah a real winner
>>522527874See>>522528314Youre a fag with low T
>>522527521Being italians is impossible to avoid goliardia (a type of banter) like writing 'tireremo dritto' (we'll go straight) on sharp curves, that said the fascist experience belongs to history, it's just a chapter in the long story of this peninsula.One thing to keep in mind is we became a country because France and the brits allowed us to in order to counter Spain, to further the deal after wwi we were given protectorate over Libya and Somalia after the ottoman empire fell and was split, it's understandable our former allies were pissed the moment we tried to carve more.
He rejuvenated Italy is what he did. He was a brave Italian fighter against Marxism. On this board, Mussolini is a hero, end of story!
>>522517434Nigga just wanted to aura farm in peace but he was born at the wrong time,if he was a leader today he would have been sitting in his office posting military edits on xitter.
>>522522121he arrested random people and then mafia eventually entered the PNF. also Mussolini visited Sicily 3 times in all his life and failed at industrialization, people was poor. this is why there was barely any resistance when the Americans landed.
>>522530747>barely any resistanceI find it funny how people pretend that italy became a democracy over night and turned against a system they had been hapilly living under for the past 20 years. There were tens of thousands of Franco Tiratores who resisted jewish american occupation.
>>522516144retarded guinea daego wop
long live Il duce
Mussolini's mistakes...(1) allowing AnschlussThe independence of Switzerland and Austria should have been non-negotiable. Look at the map. The deserts of Africa are irrelevant by comparison.(2) Entering the warItaly was not in the same league as Germany/Britain/France (let alone USA and USSR) and if it played with the big boys it was going to get hurt. Franco understood this. Mussolini didn't.He should have kept Italy out and focused on building Italian economy and industry.(3) Lack of focus. He went to war with France and Britain. OK stay on that. Don't start shit with Greece as well.But restoration of muh Roman Empire demanded conquest of Greece, so he invaded Greece.
>>522527874Hitler was a war hero and wore only one medal.Where did Big Head win all his medals?
>>Approved ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-MFNMAvVp0
