just how many of you are *actually* capitalist?>you must be okay with landlords or you are anti ownership>you must be okay with planned obsolescence because regulation is socialist>you must be okay with micro betting being a feature not a bug>etc etc etc etc etc
>>522526491Ive been here since the first day /pol/ was added, so no, Im a Socialist.
>>522526491You forgot cheap labor
>>522526491Capitalism is very similar to communism. Under capitalism, no one owns anything except for small value "personal" property.
>>522526491Well, I'm 100% in favor of private property and ownership, because I've seen what it's like when retards manage a property. They destroy the worth of everything. Keeping a working property, with 1000 renters fucking everything up, is a tallent and a hard job that adds more value to the world than you fuckers would realize. Try living in a society or Chinese fucking socialist block for a month. Learn to enjoy the smell of piss on the streets.
>>522527160Fake Capitalism has Socialist safety nets, vast taxes, too big to fail institutions, and a bloated government that takes half of everything. THAT IS NOT CAPITALISM
>>522527160you're implying there is more than one thing but i can only think of houses
>>522527373If you take all that away, it's still a system built on no one owning anything. Billionaires owe massive debt, they don't own much. It's encoded into the system. Since everyone is in debt and no one owns anything, it's basically communism, and the banks are who decide which party member deserves access to the debt machine, and which party members get nothing.
>>522527477Real estate is a big part of it (McDonald's is a real estate company), but it applies to business too. Either you take on debt in your business or you will be outmanuevered by someone else who does. In the end, you're just a middle manager of the wealth that you don't own. You get to rule it like a king, but you don't actually own it. You're deep in debt on paper.
Those are all loaded statements, and even if they weren't, most of what you said isn't even issues with capitalism itself, it's with underhanded tactics, AKA jew techniques.
>>522527949you're commenting on logistic constraints, not ideological constraints
>>522526491>capitalistNational socialist board, nigger
>>522526491>if you like something then you have to agree with every single facet ot the thing otherwise you don't agree with it according to me!
>>522526491Slot machines are fun. Stop being a pussy. They had them in Pokémon. Stop calling everything gambling. It’s not that deep sometimes.
>>522526491I went from homeless to landlord over a few years, jews make it hard, but freedom is the only way you will ever succeed>Please please be commieThis shill shit is a reminder to diversify my assets internationally, thanks faggot OP>>522527949Low IQ thoughts>>522528100Jews are DESPERATE to push us towards communism, because currently both the left and right hate kikes, and that's scary to them
>>522528305the left and right both support israel
>>522526491Capitalism is the most jewish thing you can practice, even more than judaism itself. I have never been a capitalist because capital doesn't hold much value in my eyes. I'd rather be around a poor man with dignity and respect than a rich weasely faggot. That's not to say I think rich people bad, poor people good, just that your wealth has very little bearing on how I view you as a person.
>>522528305>I went from homeless to landlord over a few yearsRight, and how did that happen.>I got a loan from a bankYou don't own anything, the bank does. You're working with "other people's money" and if you're a really successful landlord, you are deep in debt.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPdMvreKMTM
>>522526491Capitalism is the reason we have mass immigration into white countries.
>>522528644>>522527949even historical kingdoms had to be perpetually vigilant of the world around them so as to not be trampled. you blame the systems in place, but the specific problem you are referring to is logistics. in other words the issue raw reality itself gives us
>>522529072>you blame the systems in placeI'm not blaming anything. I'm pointing out capitalism and communism have the same end game. "You will own nothing and be happy." It's like arguing over Mac vs PC, at the end of the day, they do the same job.
>>522528644>How did that happenI saved up money, because this is america and it's not so hard to succeed here
>>522526491You either believe in ownership, or you do not.
>>522529284this is like saying "it doesnt matter if i choose apple or microsoft, both make machines that produce excess heat". then you ignore the superior gaming capabilities of PC
>>522526491Very odd that the capitalists and communists fought on the same side during WWII...
>>522529946facism destroyed itself how is that better? serious question
>>522526491Of course not. I care about the prosperity of my people.
>>522529486The only games I play are old nintindo games from the 90s in a web browser. Either machine is sufficient for that.While I see capitalism and communism as essentially the same thing, my ideology is to be debt free. As long as you're okay with living modestly, you can do this. The loanlord above will say it's very low IQ for me to remain debt free.
>>522530164>Fascism destroyed itself???
>>522530356you are in debt to yourself and pay with your efforts to obtain nutrients. you want escapism from reality
>>522530400>???there is literally no response to the equivalent of saying "DUEERRRRRRR"
>>522526491>>522526812me too since 03True Christians are post ideological labels as all philosophical and legal systems outside the Lord's Word are vain glory and idolatrous falsehoods. to discuss modern politics as a spiritual person you are forced to have a double mind which God instructs us against. however as an autistic retard savant who likes to argue with niggers online i enjoy imperial cults, fuedalism, eco nat soc, anacho syndicalism and tribal confederacies. every version of capitalism and communism we've gotten are gross inversions of what they supposedly stand for and are corrupted by jews. plus every country's history is founded in hypocrisy, blood and slavery.God bless oldfags
>>522526491You have some rather specific ideas of capitalism. Also it depends which stage of capitalism and whether it actually functions as such, like: are there legal safeguards to ensure it remains capitalism at every level (free market, accessible capital, etc), or did it simply start as capitalism and developed into techno-feudalism? Because that's not capitalism anymore."Capitalism" in a vacuum is like anarchy. It rapidly collapses and becomes ex-capitalism.
some sort or distributism or nationalized socialism (hint hint) is the only way. It'll take another 30-50 years before the American right unlearns the programming around 'capitalism good' though
More concise: A system that revolves around abolishing itself isn't a real system but a temporary state.
>>522528644Can confirm. I'm a landlord and I owe 3 million dollars
>>522532540Interesting to note that technically Marxism is also supposed to be such a temporary state, with the actual goal system being Communism.Capitalism is like that far more intrinsically however, since it's poorly defined. Its ultimate natural endpoint is everything being owned by a tiny elite class, or even a single clan, that won the Monopoly game.
>>522532807This instability is precisely what led to (((democratic socialism))), to keep the system from simply collapsing prematurely since the majority of people would before long become engaged in taking it down, ending capitalism.
tl;dr "capitalists" literally cannot exist. Retards can't be considered anything but retards, and arch-capitalists also want to end it by owning everything.
>>522526491stawman faggoti am a capitalist because i understand that capital is one of the factors of production. you cant have anything without capital. someone has consume less to accumulate capital so that that capital can then be used to increase production. the owner of that capital deserves to be compensated for the contribution that capital makes.mentally ill left wingers such as yourself think that all production should go to workers and that capital should not receive any reward. because you are stupid.
>>522526491You can't be a capitalist if you don't have any capital.
>>522533696For instance: calling Musk (or whatever capitalism poster boy) a capitalist is the same as calling Hitler a democrat.
>>522526491Just pay up rentee, I need the money for my next poverty rent-a-potty shack.Thank you for paying me a CHF49k/month income.
In case it's still questionable:Let's say a capitalist is defined by the accumulation of capital (no, he doesn't give a rat's ass about "free market" beyond what furthers this goal):What happens when he finishes his quest?>but it can never be truly finished!Maybe, but it can be done relatively: he owns all capital that can be owned by him by any means.>it stopped being what people define as "Capitalism" well before this
>>522526491Anon, you're confusing libertarianism with capitalism.Capitalist system require some level of regulation to prevent Monopoly and Oligarchy, which are both failure states for capitalism. Socialism comes in when government prevent large businesses from failing or small businesses from competing, AKA: The Current USA.
>>522536227>>522535910all these labels and definitions change colloquially as often as the tides and are simply impeeding us from progress at this pointwho cares?nobody's actually classically educated anymore so textbook definitions of what define these governmental systems are arbitrary to wherever the overton window is placed at the moment in the zeitgeist guillotines for all who have ever wronged the populous revolution now
>>522536551to reinforce my point growing up my american education taught me that hitler was a fascist which is objectively wrong going by mussolini's definition Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini.as hitler sought aid from the free market employing international corporations like ford and ibm
>>522536551>who cares?Literally anyone who wants there to be a society After that revolution. Killing people in civil war without a long term plan is a great way to get killed by the foreign nation coming in to finish off the winner.
>>522536785"free market" it's always regulated by jews>>522536807people are stupid ever entrusting them to think for themselves is your first mistake
>>522536551Hell, did you read some of the important books on economics? They're downright hilarious.Being an ideologue is, to a significant extent, retarded, much like philosophy is.>muh ideas and concepts are totally real No, they are bullshit.The problem is innate to the nature of debate, as soon as it deviates from hard facts, which something like "value" often isn't.>it's subjectiveAnd into the trash it goes. May as well be seriously talking about "right" and " left".
>>522526491God dam. Everyone does it for the MONEYThat makes everyone a capitalist Deal with it.Fucking economic definitions are there to keep you stupid about How they do it for money is different than how you do it for money You must lie to get more money capital. Then you lie about how you got it. Then you lie when it’s spent or taxed. But all civilizations on earth only do economy shit for money. Created by the juice.
>>522526491I'm not a capitalist, communist, or any other sort of 'ist'. I'm an antisemite. Nothing else matters to me besides whether the person standing next to me is, or is not, an antisemite.>>522536908>the juiceYou're a fucking coward.
>>522536895yes, it's all a conjob mani hate to sound like a faggot but it's true people are systematically clamped vaxed lobotomized and grossly undereducated in order to prevent them from breaking free from the mental prison of the subjective
>>522537147It's precisely the same reason that democratic politicians appear to have no real, fixed ideology.>because they don't and can't afford to have such delusionsThey are pragmatic and their concern is power.>that's literally allThose who obsess with ideological rigidity, generally speaking, fail, in whatever arena they operate in, because it's not how reality operates.In most cases it's simply a nice story they tell the masses, to get them to do what they want, or establish a solid, lobotomized followership.
>>522526491Cash settled 1-underlying arbitrary strike & expiry European-style covered option spreads and binary options should be ubiquitous to all IMO. Could be the world's best prediction oracle.
>>522526491being a dickhead is not inherent to capitalism lmao how do people without a conscience navigate the world???
>>522537519Worth saying that Trump, with his MAGA crap, is a perfect, textbook-worthy example.
>>522526491>you must be okay with planned obsolescence because regulation is socialistlmao what? If someone makes their product shitty on purpose then I, as a capitalist, will make it not-shitty and outcompete them. We can't because the GOVERNMENT bans me from making their product due to IP law. Planned Obsolescence is a consequence of NOT being capitalist. If we were capitalist I could go make their product for you without the shittyness.
>>522537835him obama bush and hildog win the gold medal in kikery
>>522526491unironic ancap here.
>>522537992That shit wouldn't work in "real" capitalism either unless it gives you a competitive edge, say a drastically cheaper, otherwise equivalent product,because otherwise the competition will simply rape your butt, if we also assume the (optionally free) market functions as it's "supposed to" on paper.>Protip: it doesn't and isn't supposed to eitherPeople are so fucking gullible it's legitimately painful, so I can't really fault the people exploiting them.
>>522526491Capitalism is just spiritual Judaism taken to another level. At the end of the day it's all about getting as many shekels as possible. You're going to screw over your race/community/nation but you can squeeze a few shekels out of it? You have to pursue the financially responsible option. Meaning you have to act as if your last name is Noseberg. Yes yes, it has some benefits obviously. But you have to draw the line somewhere acting like a money grabbing kike should be beyond the pale for any man with a sense of honor. Yet it isn't.
>>522538550Reminds me of colonialism, which had the same dynamics.>Shekelberg/Spain is jewing super hard (and successfully)>only way to compete is jewing even harder!A veritable jewry-spiral.
>>522527264Holy shit this post is Jewish.
>>522528305Lol capitalism empowers Jews more than any other system.
>>522532261>Real capitalism has never been tried.
>>522538705At this point it's interesting to point out: Colonialism and Foreverwar "died out" (shapeshifted, really) around the same time, because they also are a product of these same dynamics, but warfare became too efficient and hence costly for some (mainly the populace at large footing the bill/dying), so the focus shifted towards muh GDP numbahs and making others die for you (and ideally paying for the privilege).
>>522538928Oh they did, and it's what led Marx to write his books. Then a lot of pantsshitting happened since the elite didn't want to get eaten, and so they metamorphosed both themselves and the system to seem less threatening and stop the revolting masses from revolting.
>>522539251It's plausible to assume that population replacement merely is the newest feature of this scheme.
>>522526491I'm OK with all of thist. Landlord
