Being a libertarian in this clown world is a curse.The left is wall-to-wall central planners who think the future is bugs, surveillance, and the state deciding how much oxygen you’re allowed to inhale.Right side? Neocon fossils still daydreaming about bombing sand for freedom, and MAGA turning into a flag-waving welfare program for billionaire corporate welfare-subsidies and alphabet-soup agencies. Anti-war? Not even pretending anymore.Then you’ve got the post-right genius groypers who want to merge with the left on economics and call it a revolution, translation: another flavor of authoritarianism with different wallpaper.It’s like everyone picked a team dedicated to making your life smaller, poorer, and less free.Meanwhile you’re stuck watching both sides sprint toward bigger government like it’s the Olympics.Feels like being the last sane person in an asylum!
>>522537645imagine still pretending to be a lolbert in the current year +10it sure must suck being jewish
I would add listening to all the healthcare talk while people still do risky shit like snowboarding and gay sex, avoidance of which would be rewarded by a free market insurer.
yeah.. the whole "groyper" thing is just some big, sad, heggelian dialectic bait and switch routine.. who could have seen that one coming? also, was just a matter of time before Trump's mask would slip.. libertarians are too smart for this world and will need to go underground at some point when the cattle of this planet invariably destroy everything as they always do.. might end up having to live in the middle of some Siberian forest at the present rate that things are going
Most people recognize the impotence of libertarianism by now. Its critiques and proposals are meaningless without the will to power. The lack using power to usher in the libertarian utopia is precisely why no one takes it seriously.
I realized lolbertarianism is a doomed movement when I saw a video of rand paul trying to explain that health care can't be a human right because that would mean compelling doctors to work and the people he was talking to all looked at him like he was some kind of babbling lunatic. a party that can't make emotional appeals will never succeed in a democracy. the only reason lolberts had any traction at all was dudeweed.
>>522538546A libertarian type government will be the easiest, fastest replacement to existing institutions. Someone just needs to declare themselves king and get enough pledges to construct the new reality. What ends up handicapping libertarianism is that the qualities people want in a leader aren't inherently overlapping with free-market ideology, so we're basically waiting for that special great leader who will combine charisma with intellect. In this way the movement is messianic and therefore jewlike.
>>522537645I can imagine. Then I realized that the problem isn’t government per se, but who government serves
Grow up faggot, fuck Ron Paul and fuck you
>>522538944I'm probably older than you but I had a similar moment watching his father Ron talk about the Iraq War by saying, "Mr. Republican Robert Taft didn't even want us in NATO." I mean come on gramps, no one knows who that is.
I'm afraid you lost in the Marketplace of Ideas™ Have you considered pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and coming up with a more marketable political framework or are you gonna sit around like a bum waiting for some form of philosophical socialism to give you a handout?
>>522537645The only curse libertarians have in 2025 is being low IQ enough to think a population trajectory of 90% brown animal will somehow respect the space of others when it doesn't even happen now.The people who want to be left alone will eventually be destroyed by the people who want to destroy their enemies.>>522538944If we go by the widely accepted insane and retarded definition of 'something the government must provide you with' then it certainly isn't a human right. Because if so there's no limit to the amount we can claim.If you were the last living person and there were no doctors left with medical knowledge to save you, would you shit and cry because your rights are being violated?
>>522537645>libertarianListen, you absolutely retarded child.I bet you think you would have your property rights safeguarded under whatever sort of libertarian party that would be elected, right?WRONG(YOU) would have literally nothing while a handful of scammers and assholes would rise to the top while you would be ekeing oute scraps in the toxic trash shitpiles scattered all over the country like it's fucking blade runner>it'll be muh kinoIt's not kino when you're living in it. Most people here, especially self-styled libertarians like OP will die because they're too foolish to actually do something about their self-imposed helplessness, and are childish retards that will either become scammed, cannon fodder or criminals that will become hunted down by robocops.None of this is good.
>>522537645Had a great discussion with a libertarian once. Asked him how we'd fund infrastructure in his utopia. He said roads would be privately owned and tolls would pay for them. I said what if people refused to pay? He goes well they'd have private security as well. I asked if this meant taking payment by force. He said if need be. I said cool, so what happens when me and my buddies bushwhack your goons and execute you in front of your family and take your fucking road? He recoiled in horror. THAT WOULD BE MURDER! I lold heartily.
>>522538944You are a massive faggot
>>522537645if you're not on board with national socialism, especially white national socialism, you need to get with the programtheres is no libertarianism in a world with jews
>>522539593minimal gov does not mean no gov.. you can still have some publically funded infra and police and courts etc.. anarchist retards are a constant problem in libertarian circles
>>522538944that sweet old man was too pure-hearted to see that normal people are selfish retards
>>522537645You’ve been lied to about authoritarianism. Order is virtuous. Chaos is wicked.
>>522537645Based and me. We lost at the end of the day bros.
all you socialist retards here talking shit when the only good person in congress putting up any kind of resistance to Jews etc happens to be like the only libertarian there (Thomas Massie).
>>522539965why the fuck not? why don't we get rid of jew central bank and jew social welfare and jew corporate welfare? are you too much of a Jewish pussy to want to do that or what???
>>522540421why dont we? because libertarians will never ever do it, for one
Shit. I was hoping for some good news today.
>>522539593>so what happens when me and my buddies bushwhack your goons and execute you in front of your family and take your fucking road? He recoiled in horror. THAT WOULD BE MURDER!This shit exactly. Libertarians, like the total autists that they usually are, pretend that governments could be run by private interests, thinking that private profit motive suffices to enable good governance, and that it won't degenerate into endless feudal wars and vendettas.
>>522537645Tis how it goes.
>>522539576>>522539593This is basically the same as conservatives labeling any regulation as communism. A libertarian doesn't have to be Murray Rothbard incarnate. The basic message is just to have fewer objectives that are presumed its responsibility. If some Costner's Postman warlord society is within the realm of possible scenarios, then maybe we could keep the roads and speed up executions so we can close down tax payer funded jobs guarding niggers in cages. Ultimately there are enough people in the fake economy created by the government to make changes to the status quo unwanted, so the government itself needs competition, and that hasn't emerged yet.
>dude nap lmaoI guess I'm autistic but I NEVER understood how someone can get mentally trapped in these ideologies that clearly don't work/don't apply to the current year.
>>522540421Obviously because any attempt to be passive and non-interventional will be thwarted or taken advantage of by jewery you retarded faggot. Do yourself a favor and correctly clock the greatest threat to civilization as artificial proliferation of the third world. Fix the money system later.
>>522540476oh, you mean socialist pig population (including the "nat soc" idiots here) will never do it? Yeah, makes sense when you put it that way!
>>522540626How the fuck would it be passive to get rid of those things? Police can still be funded, army can still be funded, criminals and legit enemies of all sorts can still be prosecuted and destroyed. (National) Socialist pussies will never do it though!
>>522538325Yup. They offer two sides of the same centralized coin and trick the cattle into thinking they’re fighting. The only way to survive isn't running to Siberia, though, it's starving the beast until the government is too broke to care where you live. When the IRS can’t afford the gas to drive out to your cabin, you win.>>522538546The impotence is not in the philosophy; it is in accepting the State as the ultimate vector of power. That's the statist framing.Our will to power is expressed through voluntary association, wealth creation, and decentralization. The goal is not to seize the boot, the goal is to make the boot functionally obsolete by cutting its funding and building parallel structures. You are fighting for a throne and we are fighting to abolish the kingdom.>>522538944Rand Paul is BASED. Also, the mistake wasn't the logic; it was trying to explain property rights to a room full of emotional golems who have already decided they deserve stolen labor.The failure of libertarianism in democracy is the failure of democracy itself. It's a system designed to incentivize looting and emotional blackmail. Our goal isn't to win the emotional contest. >>522539400The "Marketplace of Ideas" is an obsolete meme when the state and its alphabet agencies actively rig the entire platform with propaganda, censorship, and subsidies you apparently hate.>>522539475We agree that group loyalty is powerful, and we agree that those who want to be left alone are the easiest targets for those who want to destroy their enemies. That's why your statist solution is suicidal. The state is the ultimate tool for robbing the successful group to reward the groups who organize by ethnic lines for political power. Decentralization and absolute property rights are the only walls that matter, because they remove the incentive to loot in the first place. You can't vote to steal if there's nothing to vote on.
>>522540579What's ironic is that libertarians are disproportionately atheist so you're most likely a book character fandom faggot. Never mind if you agree prayer is useless.
>>522537645Maybe libertarianism just doesn’t work in a post agrarian homestead economy
>>522537645/pol/ these days is full of unironic brown spic fuente faggots who advocate for socialism as long as it’s for “the right people.” Don’t waste your time. Libertarianism is too high IQ and requires some level of abstract thought for the knuckle draggers on here.
90% of this board is either bots, shills or disgusting freak "nat socs" that are the "right wing" equivalent of trannies. Jews fucked you right in the brain and manufatured the perfect golem to keep their Jew machine rolling!
>>522537645>I am libertarianyeah the semen on your breath gave it away
>>522537645There are some reasonable leftists (Catherine Liu, many of those interviewed on Doom scroll). But they freely admit they have no influence or power and are unlikely to ever get any in a reasonable timeframe.
>>522537645Listen, the reality is that the pandemic, Trump and the corpse of Biden proved to everybody with a brain that most people are retarded children.Retarded children cannot be left unsurpervised, that is why everybody is going for big government.I'm of the opinion that we should remove the safety labels out of everything and let the problem fix itself, but it's not going to happen. Past generations solved this problem with a big war to dump the surplus retards. If you have pronoums in your social media, you follow a streamer or are a deranged MAGA/DEM freak, off you go to the trenches in Asia to help the Chinese and the Iranias solve the same problem.
>>522539576>The midwit thinks he's pointing out a flaw, but he's just describing the inevitable outcome of his statist system.You will have nothing when the state prints the currency into oblivion, when the government and its corporate partners regulate the economy into toxic trash piles, and when robocops hunt down citizens who didn't comply with the centralized mandates.Your system creates Blade Runner. Libertarianism creates the decentralized, resilient infrastructure that allows free men to escape the corporate-state matrix. The danger is not freedom, the danger is the boot you are begging to kiss.>>522539593>Another midwit is a moral imbecile who confused a theoretical framework with a video game.>He thinks the State has a monopoly on violence, and the moment it's gone, anarchy is the default. That's the statist cope.The answer is: Yes, that would be murder. And in a truly decentralized world, the road-owners, their private security, and the surrounding communities would execute the perpetrators because they believe in the Non-Aggression Principle (NAP) and the absolute defense of property. The only thing preventing your buddies from bushwhacking a public works crew right now is the State's monopoly on force. We just want to make defense a localized, voluntary function. New Hamsphire is basically the ancapistan and they're doing fine.
>>522541121Except the retard children are the ones begging for big government and wars of the past were targetted culls of anyone who might be strong conservative.
>>522541003They are cooked.
>>522537645>Feels like being the last sane person in an asylum!Wait until we throw you in the concentration camps and you get to wait until its your turn to be liquidated surrounded by jews and niggers and shitskins and faggots and incels and NEETs and other undesirables.Grow up retard. Lolbertarianism will never work and would only lead to disaster. The only system that actually works correctly for the right people is a Far Right Hard Authoritarian White National Socialist Christofascism. And we are already so far down the road to it that it is inevitable. Get on board with it or get sent to the oven, those are your only alternatives.
>>522541146You’re fantasizing about a world that will never exist.
>>522541609Nothing "right" about it, fag. National Socialists or fascists are as left as communists and the only thing opposed to any of it is limited, libertarian style government!
>>522540960>Maybe libertarianism just doesn’t workStrange take, considering the most libertarian leaning states, New Hampshire, Arizona, Florida, Nevada, etc are all gaining domestic residents, while the heavy-handed auth-left and auth-right states are bleeding the american population. People vote with their feet, and they’re not walking toward high-control shithole regimes.>Pic related, most libertarian states>"Arizona, Nevada, Florida, and New Hampshire consistently have high net positive domestic migration, meaning more people are moving in than moving out, often driven by lower taxes, cost of living, and job growth in sectors like tech. In contrast, states labeled as "most socialist" , usually states with high taxes and high-cost-of-living, like California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Illinois, have consistently experienced net negative migration (more people leaving than arriving)."
>>522541763>limited, libertarian style government!Which inevitably goes to shit as people take advantage of the system to turn it into something even worse than what you started with. Lolbertism is just immature and naive idealism. >National Socialists or fascists are as left as communists No, there is a massive difference between fascist national socialism and internationalist communist kikey socialism.
>>522541609>And we are already so far down the road to it that it is inevitable.We are actually closer to making your kids trans. 4chan and even twitter isn't the real world. Cope, faggot.>>522541649You'll never achieve your white ethnostate.
>>522538944here let me explain what rights are. what ron paul needed to say about healthcare is government will make contraception infanticide and sex changes free and prioritize keeping fags alive while they brew the next pandemic in their rectums while you the taxpayer die on a waitlist. he didnt because he lacked the vision to go after women when it actually mattered
>>522541934What people? People like you? Limited government is the only reason anything is ever even good to begin with. Centralizing everything is how you accelerate the enshitifcation and collapse. If you're gonna be part of the mob that ruins everything, then you might as well own it.
>>522541609I live in Miami, one of the least white cities in the country. It’s probably the most culturally liberal place in the US but without the woke theatrics, and I LOVE it.So what exactly is your plan? Reverse demographic reality? March into every city and ‘fix’ it? You’re not doing any of that. You’ll just sit online fantasizing about outcomes that will never happen while the country keeps changing with or without your pathetic incel permission.
>>522541969We’ll see.
>>522542148How much will you love it when the fucking country collapses because liberals printed inifinity dollars? Sexy miami thunderdome here we come? Nigger!
>>522540911democracy creates unaccountability which replaces honor with izzat. the formalization of izzat is wilsonite political science, which was put in practice in prohibition of booze and weed as an izzat display against the middle class at the same time as a massive robbery of the middle class with wage theft and the social security ponzi scheme
>>522542283Oops, think I misred your post there. My bad
>>522542283This country is fucking dying. Enjoy the good parts while I can.
>>522537645Lolberts are cowards and cucks.
>>522542283Wont happen when 95% of world's trade is done in DOLLARS.Wont happen when the US owns the gold supply(itll take china 45 years to catch up)Wont happen when the USD is the most capable currency.Keep dreaming LOL LOL
>>522537645>I am libertarianYou'll grow out of it during high school
>>522542486Hello demonic faggot. You are the reason that history keeps repeating and every empire grows until it goes down in flames.I know all about you demon riddled baby eating demiurge worshipping faggots.
>>522542486>95% of world trade is in dollars false.The dollar’s share of global trade invoicing is high, but nowhere near 95%.Even BIS and SWIFT data show the share has been falling for years.>The US owns the gold supply’ also false.A century ago the dollar was tied to gold.Back then, $20.67 bought one ounce of gold.Today you need ~$2,300+ for the exact same ounce.That’s a 99% decline in dollar purchasing power relative to a fixed commodity, not a theoretical crash, an actual historical one.The US having large gold reserves does nothing to stop the dollar from weakening, because the dollar is no longer redeemable for gold.Whether the US has 1%, 50%, or 100% of the world’s gold is irrelevant, the dollar floats and decays based on monetary policy.>Dollar dominance doesn’t prevent erosion.The British pound was the global reserve currency for over a century.It dominated trade far more than the USD does now.It still collapsed in relative value and lost reserve status anyway. A currency can stay ‘most capable’ while still losing purchasing power. All fiat money is worthless anywaysThe dollar doesn’t need to ‘crash overnight’ to decline.It has already been in a 100-year controlled demolition via inflation.That’s not prediction, that’s the historical chart.Gold fucking MOGS. I'm buying more and more and you won't stop me.
>>522537645>It’s like everyone picked a team dedicated to making your life smaller, poorer, and less free.Now you're getting it.
>>522537645>bombing sand for freedomkek
>>522542788LOL LOL LOLah yes go suck on your saviors cock for all I give a damn.I'm an RN and a small business owner.I and my peers are doing quite well even in this supposed downturn.My small business is doing quite well.The people failing at the losers who cant keep a job, who living expensive cities unwilling to move to smaller cities.Suck to be you. Oh well who cares not my fault u suck at life.
>>522537645Being a libertarian is being retarded. Grow up, little fag
>>522543036Your country is more libertarian than a generation ago and with near universal agreement the move in that direction was correct. The U.S. government could cut half its involvement in the economy and that would still be a fifth of present.
>>522542955Medical industry is already pozzed to shit and it's only going to get worse as communist faggots such as yourself spread infinity AIDS. Hope you love it when third world takeover is complete!
>>522537645One day you'll grow up and realize that most people are stupid fucking retards who don't deserve freedom and control over their own lives. You'll realize that no matter what you will always have opponents who take issue with YOU and your freedoms or beliefs who absolutely will never leave you alone. Then you will also realize that the stupid retards who don't deserve liberty, who dramatically outnumber you and the other smart people, will always be wielded as a weapon against you by your aforementioned ideological enemies. You will realize that all of humanity is just a struggle for power and authority, and that the best way to ensure your liberty remains intact is by aligning yourself with a common power bloc that is rooted in your morality, ideology and absolutely dominating those who would wish to strip you of your way of life. When that day happens you will feel ashamed that you were so gullible that you believed a live and let live philosophy could actually be commonly accepted by everyone and the NAP would remain unviolated.
>>522540502>LibertariansThey're so fucking retarded. Unless they're super rich, they'd be living in a Libertarian hellscape with the rest of us
>>522540911>. The goal is not to seize the boot, the goal is to make the boot functionally obsolete by cutting its funding and building parallel structures. You are fighting for a throne and we are fighting to abolish the kingdomTHIIIIISSS. So much. Good job, Anon.
>>522543438stupid retards who don't deserve liberty can't hurt you unless retard goy cattle enable them to do so via communist and authoritarian bullshit
>>522543438>most peopleyes and a system that routinely stocks powerful positions with the best among people remains elusive, so kind of ridiculous to grant authority to inferior products
>>522539718In fairness to him, libertarians don't have any solution for all of the boutique liberalism that gets shoved in people's faces. It is colloquially called "wokeism." If libertarians cannot appeal to emotion, then charlatans on both sides who can appeal to emotion will win. Also, you need to face the fact that you do need the authoritarianism of the state otherwise you'll get lumped in with the soft-on-crime "degeneracy" loving left. I have libertarian leanings myself, but even I'll admit that the non-state-interventionist position on transgender issues looks really bad in this day and age. I still don't believe that the state has any business weighing in on those types of issues, but I know that this gets me lumped in with leftist fags because the culture war dumbs everything down and forces people into a contrived left right paradigm. Libertarians don't have a satisfying response to that. Libertarians also don't have a satisfying response to anemic economic growth anymore because non interventionist positions now remind everyone of ineffectual politics at a gut emotional level
>>522543793the solution is to stop subsidizing cretins.. imagine if schools were not so heavily subsidized with student loans etc.. what would happen to woke colleges? what would happen to woke companies if corporate welfare were done away with? libertarianism solves the whole fucking thing!
>>522543438Sounds like your schizophrenia needs harsher meds. LOL LOL LOLI bet you no one actually knows your alive.But your schizophrenia is giving your a persecution complex. Which you let loose here on a anon-board. And use signals and signs everything you say is true.That too me is fucking hilarious.Schizos are usually deserving of their fate.
>>522543438fpbp
>>522537645So move to Argentina then
>>522543793>the non-state-interventionist position on transgender issues looks really badno government on troons* businesses choose whether to let troons in the womens room. night clubs do, places where fathers would bring their daughters dont* the government doesnt kidnap jeff youngers son and hand him to a skank. the skank doesnt troon james out and parade him around as lunatotal government death is on the face of it so desirable its hard to imagine serious opposition
>>522544045demonic fag bro I've been taking shrooms for 3 months daily and I'm gucci. My cats know I'm alive and that's all that counts at this phase. I'm at the apex of my coding abilities and I will be doing just fine while this gay ass world slowly rots due to the effects of your kind.
>>522537645Care to have a drink?>>522542999
>>522543960>heavily subsidized with student loansPrivate grants and private loans will step in to fill in the void. Also, the private sector could easily take it upon itself to continue the woke orientation voluntarily. If companies collectively decide to continue wokeism, you won't really end it -- especially if the woke-oriented institutions are the gateway to elite/good employment. Unfortunately, "woke" is a social engineering technique favored by shadowy elites who will simply continue it without overt state support. It is too powerful of a weapon of mass distraction for it to go away that easily
>>522543793>being this obliviousWhat you call liberalism is just marketing to women, who generally are empathetic to any type of human or alternative that they may someday experience in their own lives. She might have a tranny kid someday. Men imagine doing like Elon and distancing. Liberals support government spending for fields that mostly employ women, like education and bureaucratic work. Conservatives support government spending for fields that employ men, like law enforcement. Libertarians would argue there's plenty of opportunity to reduce personnel in all fields, so just need to win over enough of the swing vote. This is how prohibition happened when they anti-alcohol vote captured a reliable 10% and could sway elections.
>>522544493>If companies collectively decide to continue wokeism, you won't really end itcapital is owned by the banks and companies work for the banks> the woke-oriented institutions are the gateway to elite/good employment.universities have been woke since they were founded
>>522541146>midwit >imbecileWhich one is it faggot?>Non-Aggression PrincipleWhich is null and void the moment hired goons attempt to extract wealth from me>We just want to make defense a localized, voluntary function.Which will be completely steamrolled by a foreign state who has millions of troops and numerous tank battalions squashing your larping backbiting little faggot territories like bugs>he thinks anarchy is the defaultkilling lolbert goons and the lolberts who hired them to take my money would not be lawlessness it would be justice.>That's the statist copeIt's hilarious you think I'm confused when you think anything I've said is pro-state lmao literal satanic pedos are more moral than totalitarian lolbert scum. You're just a crying bitch because you're a pleb and not in charge of shit and even in your imagination I'm wrecking you and your goons shit
>>522544493ending corporate and social welfare would absolutely decimate them.. of course they will always fight to bring it back but that is neither here nor there.. the only way things remain "good" is that people agree to keep state to a minium.. as long as elites can trick regular goy retards into accepting huge centralized state, then things go right back to becoming progressively worse and worse.. black nobility, jews, sumerians, whatever.. it's always the same cycle at work
>>522544341>businesses choose whether to let troons in the womens room.Businesses that choose to exclude them from the women's room get canceled.>night clubs do... and 1 or 2 instances of a "trans" person assaulting a biological woman gets that nightclub owner demonized. Night club owner changes the policy, and they get canceled.>places where fathers would bring their daughters dontUh oh! Looks like that business owner is getting canceled by a woke mob boosted by influences, algorithms, and political charlatans. >the government doesnt kidnap jeff youngers son and hand him to a skank.Oh shit! You just attacked women's parental rights, bro. I smell a feminist mothers' activist woke mob materializing.>the skank doesnt troon james out and parade him around as lunaOh no! That's trans "genocide," bro! >total government death is on the face of itThe woke mob will call it injustice>hard to imagine serious oppositionOh, I definitely can envision serious opposition in the lead up to an election cycle beginning around Pridr Month ... er I mean Pride Season now ... actually, I don't want to imagine it. It's annoying ... really annoyingI, personally, would advocate for more parental consent. However, I have no solution for when divorced parents are divided on whether or not to transition their children. I do favor making sure the government doesn't weigh in one way or the other, but I know that the anti troon crusaders are going to chimp out when a local sports organization let's in a transgender athlete
>>522544899Government doesn't need to subsidize it in order for woke to continue. Libertarians have no satisfying policy response to this fact, aside from lecturing people on how to choose what to patronize.
>>522544665>just need to win over enough of the swing voteFine. Buy you'll need to find an issue that will attract enough people to vote libertarian. Unless you can appeal to emotion, libertarians won't be successful.>plenty of opportunity to reduce personnel in all fieldsThis is why libertarians lose. It's why they have no appeal. Each side will see their favored slate of issues getting decimated by reduced government spending. I don't see how this will work.
>>522544722>>522544722>capital is owned by the banks and companies work for the banksYep! And woke is pretty popular among elite financial institutions >universities have been woke since they were founded... and libertarians have no satisfying policy response for this aside from cutting government spending and lecturing people on which institutions and businesses to patronize
The problem with Libertarianism is that it just allows the corporation to replace the state. Its just zero sum.
>>522545265the whole thing is a massive, gov subsidized bubble.. central bank prints endless money, special, subsidized interests pump endless money into woke.. endless retards fall for woke.. a darwinistic society has zero room for woke, retard!
>>522545717leave it to socialist euro trash to not understand first thing about corporate welfare.. this is why you are being replaced by niggers!
>>522537645>Right side? Neocon fossils still daydreaming about bombing sand for freedomYeah they couldn't help themselves. That boomer Zman tried to play "air strikes on Iran are not a war" right up until the day he dropped dead. What a disappointment.
>>522545780>prints endless moneyThat's another problem with libertarians. They know how to bitch about the money printing, but they'll do nothing to stop it, aside from maybe cutting spending here and there. The real problem is the Federal Reserve. Good luck with ending am international banking cartel, bro>if only we quit funding it, woke will magically go awayAgain, this magical thinking is why people don't like libertarians. People who are passionately anti woke won't go for this shit anymore because it's too hands off. It's too passive. Also, it doesn't bring the boot down on the woke activists hard enough to satisfy them
>>522546501lmao literally what "libertarians" have been in any position to stop it? Ron Paul? What the fuck was he going to do besides bring attention to the subject? The reality is as much of a no true scotsman it is no real anti-government person works in the government.
>>522546613Here is the closest you're going to get.https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1846/textHowever, the root of the problem is institutional. Libertarian ideology in itself has no response to the tangled web of corrupting influence that keeps the Federal Reserve in existence aside from shrinking government. Shrinking government cannot disentangle the public-private partnership. The first politician that seriously tries to end the fed will get arrested on bogus charges or assassinated -- and you can blame the gubmint all you want for that, but the real culprit is the collection of elite families on the east coast of the US and in the UK who do not respect any national boundaries whatsoever
>>522546501how the fuck can libertarians end fed if average human is a socialist pig such as yourself and is personally fine with it as long as they imagine being able to get some kind of advantage from it?
>Libertarians are to blame for all our problems.
>>522537645Libertarianism is the dumbest conclusion you can possibly come to kek. It’s Jew slop that meth heads and pedos like.
>>522547021>actually believes that public opinion mattersPublic opinion doesn't matter. I don't even think that you're stupid enough to seriously believe that public opinion matters. You're engaged in deflection. You know full-well that any libertarian/populist coalition can build a movement to end the Federal Reserve. You also have to know that democracy is bullshit because that is a core libertarian principle. Come on! Why won't you be honest about the real culprit? You know that even if a majority of people thought that the Fed was wonderful that that's not what's standing in the way of ending the Fed. What's standing in the way is the power of elite families that control trillions of dollars worth of assets and have the power to control entire blocs of countries. Libertarians have NO response to address this.
>>522547418Public opinion absolutely matter. We outnumber them 1000 to 1 or maybe even 1,000,000 to 1 depending on which level of "elite" you are talking about. What you are describing is fatalism and some kind of learned helplessness that is really just an excuse for the fact that you are complicit. I don't expect you or any one of us alone to be able to sway the stampede of cattle very much necessarily but don't pretend that the herd is not the real force at work here. Elites are really just experts at self mastery and consistently pressing certain buttons and that is all that they really have on the rest of us.
>>522537645>The left is wall-to-wall central planners who think the future is bugs, surveillance, and the state deciding how much oxygen you’re allowed to inhale.You're getting that from WEF memes. WEF is the private sector, the rightwing billionaires. There are real problems with our system and you are too fucking tricked to see them. Your libertarian brainrot makes you unable to see the problems with government is the free market billionaires controlling government. You spent all this time imagining King Obongo and the deep state as shadow emperor's more powerful than the billionaires global rich who lobby and control them. You could never see liberal democracy as a solution because even if it truly was by the people for the people, as a /pol/tard, that wasn't good enough. Too many interests outside your own were represented. Too many considerations. Too much civil rights. So you pushed against government and went full retard with your cope, straight into the hands of zionist globalist billionaires who also hate liberal democracy. They'll give you JD Vance and he'll put on a based show for you and you'll keep falling for it.
>>522547637>What you are describing is fatalism and some kind of learned helplessnessI'm describing reality. Any real movement to end the Federal Reserve will get subverted and its leadership either assassinated or compromised. That's what happens every time.>sway the stampede of cattleEvery few years, they do get swayed. Every few years, there is a wave of people waking up. It never goes anywhere. Gee. I wonder why. Oh, I know! That's the way it's meant to be.
>>522537645The weakness with libertarianism is that it's full of compromise. That doesn't attract a lot of campaign funding.
>>522537645You had your chance to be taken seriously in 2015, but then you put on that three ring circus you called the Libertarian Convention and your entire movement crashed into a mountain. That convention did more damage to libertarianism than Stalin did.
>>522545130you are retarded. people dont get canceled by mobs they get canceled by the government. furthermore, the obvious answer is no elective medical intervention without approval from both parents, but without the government no one would kidnap children and hand them to skanks.do you know what antilaw lindy johnson passed after his handlers assassinated his predecessor
>>522545697the reason everyone goes to college is griggs v duke power co and coeducation
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>>522537645You cannot achieve anything without real strength and power. I'm talking about reality not daydreams. Being a libertarian at this point in time tells me that you're hopelessly idealistic and naive, like a child. Some sort of libertarianism might, emphasis on 'might', work in a ethnically homogenous, highly-educated and high-trust white nation surrounded by likeminded neighboring nations that respected its government and people but not in this world as it stands now. The only caveat is, say, we reach some technological Singularity and everyone becomes some kind of enlightened superhuman living in a completely safe, secure and post-scarcity world. Star Trek TNG type of shit, but how likely is that? Or even if it is, we are not there yet.
>>522548392>they get canceled by the government.This reductionist approach is why everyone hates libertarians. In the real world, it's mobs that get people canceled now without a single law or fine or any other action initiated by the government. Again, libertarians have no satisfying response to this aside from blaming government when you cannot credibly ascribe blame to it >obvious answer is no elective medical intervention without approval from both parentsIt's really not that obvious because the non-consent from one parent can be interpreted as malicious by an activist mob. Another mob may see that the parent consenting to transitioning the child as malicious. The question becomes which side to take. Which side should the courts take? The only real way forward would probably have to start with the emancipation of a minor, and then let things play out from there. There are going to be casualties, and we will have to tolerate that. No one's going to be happy -- and that's the political problem with libertarianism. They might be right about the principle of individual liberty, but that's no longer politically popular. What the fuck does Johnson have to do with this?
>>522548474bullshit. everyone goes to college because employers demand college degrees for what are often deemed well paying professional occupations. this is a function of a service-based post-industrial economy, not an obscure civil rights court decision.
>>522537645Libertarians cannot and will not solve the jewish question.
>>522537779Imagine being this mentally retarded.
>>522539254shalom
>>522537645I mean practically speaking I support way less powerful government in most areas but not everything (e.g. like food regulations). So I guess I feel libertarian adjacent in a way, but I'm not at all purist about it. There's some no brainer things the government should do to make lives of common citizens better (like restrict immigration).
>>522549530They have an answer, it's just hypocritical: libertarian bioessentialists will reduce the freedom and citizenship protected under the government as only white male freedom and citizenship.
>>522540532What movie is that webm from?
Libertarians cannot and will not stop White Genocide.
Libertarians cannot and will not topple ZOG and ends its Jewish Wars.
>>522550153>endsend*
>>522548782mobs are irrelevant except when they hide state action> which side should the courts takethats state action idiot>>522549000>employers demand college degreesbecause griggs v duke power co idiota mob didnt take pedros kids away, the government did
>>522550114>>522550153As stupid as this sounds, it's right. I hate to admit it, but libertarians do not have any satisfying response to people who have an edgy reductionist ethno-nationalist orientation or to people who want an internationalist cartel (muh ZOG) to be brought under control.
Ron Paul accomplished nothing. Rand Paul accomplished nothing. Thomas Massie will accomplish nothing.
>>522550241>thats state action idiotI asked that as a rhetorical question. You'd be able to tell that if you bothered to read the part where I indicated that emancipation of a minor is the best way to preserve individual liberty, despite that fact that it would be unsatisfying to rabble rousers on both sides.>because griggs v duke power co idiotA post-industrial service-oriented economy did that. You truly do live up to the cliché that libertarians are socially illiterate. The college experience became the barrier to entry into the professional class. It's a function of social conventions that developed out of a post industrial economy, not the government.>mobs are irrelevant except when they hide state actionIt's funny how mobs can motivate changes in the private sector way faster than any government action these days. Again, your social illiteracy is showing.
>>522548782>What the fuck does Johnson have to do with thisa very important antilaw that acts through the appearance of mob action, a kike pays a nigger to accuse you of being racist or gets his cousin at the jewspaper to accuse you of being racist, now youre required by law to take certain actions that appear to be you bowing to mob pressure
>>522550347they gave a lot of hopium to libertarians, some leftists, and right leaning populists. that's something. but I see your point. they will not affect policy
>>522550569>emancipation of a minor is the best way to preserve individual libertyfor thousands of years ancient english law required that men could not be deprived of their children >>because griggs v duke power co idiot>A post-industrial service-oriented economy did that.you are a lying faggot. griggs v duke power co made it illegal to use iq tests for hiring, so everyone needed to get a college degree
>>522550611>the Civil Rights Act of 1964You could have simply spelled that out from the beginning. You know, these games you play where you use esoteric language to describe fairly mundane things is another reason why normal people fucking hate libertarians.
Why is it any post that even mentions the word libertarian always draws all the bot spam from both supposed liberals and conservatives? Always the same tiresome non-points as to why it wouldn’t work.Very strange desu. Almost like (((they))) are fully funding the propaganda machines trying to avoid another Ross Perot disaster, because libertarians like Gary Johnson are progressively getting more and more of the popular vote with growing discontent for both of these dogshit American political parties.Looooooota kike energy in this thread. Par for the course with /pol/, it’s all the Jannie’s allow now.
>>522550759you have a koko the gorilla tier iq. go be gay somewhere else
>>522548721Humans need to discard its dank vileness first
>>522550744>for thousands of years ancient english law required that men could not be deprived of their childrenthe English language itself is less than 2,000 years old you ignorant nigger. But, that's irrelevant. The point is that the approach to the underage transgender question that addresses individual liberty starts with emancipation of a minor. It's a matter of principle that no one will be truly satisfied with, but it's the only one that is congruent with this principle. >muh history English Common lawIrrelevant in this case. Sorry not sorry>illegal to use iq tests for hiringI'm aware. That still doesn't negate the fact that social factors revolving around a post-industrial service-based economy in an increasingly globalized labor-market are way more relevant than some obscure bullshit civil rights case. A college degree affords the appropriate social clout for entry into the professional class. An IQ test would be all but irrelevant in a labor market that values a set of social skills in a professional setting that are mostly attained in a modern college setting
>>522537645Not even a libertarian per se but I just want to be left the fuck alone. Stop stealing my freedoms.
>>522550827Kikes hate libertarianism only because it is an alternative to the reality tv show of american politics, not because it actually has anything meaningful to add to the conversation beyond "centralized power bad".all prominent libertarian thinkers were jews, so dont get too hung up on your particular -ism fren
>>522550943most libertarians act so willfully ignorant that they may as well have room temperature IQ's incapable of addressing and practical problems
>>522551226I like the idea of less government. I like the idea of less taxes. I like the idea of being able to make choices for myself. I like the idea of less regulation for citizens, so zoning isn’t in my fucking asshole if I want to put up a fence post. I like the idea of not a single bureaucrat having a comfy government job on my dime. I like the idea of true capitalism. I like the idea of everyone being more self sufficient. I like the idea of necking every single democrat and republican politician. I don’t care what political ism will agree with most of those thoughts, I’m going to support it until I die. Neither the democrats or republicans will ever represent me, and they both make my life shittier, so why the fuck would I ever support them?
>>522537645>implying authoritarianism is bad per sea little government foresight goes a long way with a little liberty. if you're not measuring at near centrist (any division) i think you're trying too hard at something. i'm a little partial to the libertarian left myself.
>>522551645didn't sage lol
>>522537645>Meanwhile you’re stuck watching both sides sprint toward bigger government like it’s the Olympics.>Feels like being the last sane person in an asylum!That is sad truth
>>522551123>muh history English Common law>Irrelevant in this case. Sorry not sorrybefore "common law", the laws from the beginning. the Bible clearly identifies fatherhood as important. late 20th century american law will vanish from the page of time>social factors revolving around a post-industrial service-based economy in an increasingly globalized labor-market are way more relevantbullshit retard. take away griggs and my boss will use iq tests again>affords the appropriate social clout for entry into the professional class. An IQ test would be all but irrelevant in a labor market that values a set of social skills in a professional setting that are mostly attained in a modern college settingcommunist cant. i diagnose you with judaism. disease is incurable will prevent you from ever understanding anything
>>522551401the jewish revolution came to america in three stages, wilsons wage theft, fdrs social security stipends for the enemies of the people, and lbjs snivel rights. it was the sexual revolution, however, that destroyed the middle class by removing all its generational wealth and women
>>522545697>and libertarians have no satisfying policy response for thisBan of fiat currency under capital punishment (classified as money counterfeiting).Cancel of government Insurance for lending.Felony punishment for bankers who fail to return customers deposits.
>>522537645Being a libertarian when an ethnic enclave that controls global finance wants to enslave you is retarded.
>>522551401>I like the idea of not a single bureaucrat having a comfy government job on my dimeHere is my idea: everyone tax negative should not be allowed to vote or be elected (rolling average over last 10 years).This includes government officials, military, cops, teachers. Elected positions aren't paid by government.
>>522551123>that values a set of social skills in a professional setting that are mostly attained in a modern college settingIf anything it brings nepotism into equation and it's literally negative value.
>>522552038>Being a libertarian when an ethnic enclave that controls global finance wants to enslave you is retarded.It's the old "Trust us, not your Blood, because we won't turn on you"It's mentally retarded teen faggots first politically ideology.
>>522551713>muh Bible>muh fatherhoodIrrelevant. I was addressing the issue in terms of the principle of individual liberty, not in terms of trad edgelord bullshit.>iq tests would be relevant if only the concept of civil rights went awaythat's not how the labor market works, you idiot. Civil rights is one component of the bread and circuses aspect of politics, and you're stupid enough to take the bait. The reality is that college education is part of the social adaptation to the deindustrialization and globalization of a post-industral service-based economy that the country came up with as the barrier to entry for entering the professional class. It has nothing to do with civil rights.> y you're a communist >y you're Jewish Fucking typical. I'm just being realistic. Demagoguery of kikes is not very libertarian of you. I'm trying to be as pragmatic about the international labor market as I can. You're being some immature edgelord
>>522537779Imagine being a little faggot shitskin troll that thinks he'll tell me what to do and not get shot
>>522541121I want the retards to kill themselves off, I'm sick of you little faggots going out of your way to bother me all the time. Fuck off or I'll kill you or ruin your mind.
>>522537645AIslop OP
>>522552208>If anything it brings nepotism into equation and it's literally negative valueI'll give credit where credit is due. At least this is one credible critique that is based on a realistic scenario. I really don't believe that's the point of why a college degree became a barrier to entry into the professional class. It is just one possibility in cliquish social settings. The most pragmatic interpretation is that a college education affords people with the relevant social skills for a globalized post-industrial service-based economy. It is not meant to facilitate nepotism, despite the fact that that's a possibility
>>522537645You suffer because you want those institutions instead of ignoring them altogether by becoming a trailer park nomad gypsy.
>>522553691>college education is part of the social adaptation to the deindustrialization and globalization of a post-industral service-based economy that the country came up with as the barrier to entry for entering the professional classchatgpt language will get you nowhere kike. how many bitcoin did it cost you to generate thatyoure still a jew, a communist, and a useless eater who will be fired as soon as snivel rights go away, as proven by your belief in gatekeeping the professional class
>>522537645>It’s like everyone picked a team dedicated to making your life smaller, poorer, and less free.Pretty much... yeah.Their politics are based on who they hate and want to reduce... never on bringing anyone up and bringing prosperity.
>>522554069>y you used AINope.>y you're JewishNope.>y you're a communistNope.>y you're a useless eaterNope.>your belief in gatekeeping the professional classThat is the issue at hand here. I do not believe in gatekeeping the professional class. I'm just describing and explaining this state of affairs to you because you seem to believe in low IQ reductionist explanations for phenomena in the labor market that are slightly more complicated than you are capable of comprehending.Your ad hominid attacks aren't credible arguments, by the way
>>522538546because they respect others autonomy they lose 90% of political efficacy
>>522554222>politics are based on who they hate and want to reduceafter 100 years of jewish domination the only politics are, liberal, how to use institutions to limit jewish power, ironically named conservative, how to smash jewish institutional power
>>522537645>Being a lolberg in this clown worldWhy haven't you realized the Third Reich was a militant Hoppean Covenant Society, and become some kind of anarcho-fascist or National Socialist flavor yet?
>>522554337>do not believe in gatekeeping the professional class. I'm just describing and explaining this state of affairyou are a jew and a communist, which is redundant. when griggs goes away "professional jobs" will be iq tested and im going to turn you into a lampshade
>>522538944>rights come from the state of nature (ie all the stuff you would have if society never existed)You obviously can't have a right to health care, it does even make sense. Its a nonsensical thing you are saying, like a square circle. What we need to do is have an agression policy for people too retarded to understand basic things (ie kill all retards)
>>522537645Liberate yourself, find some sources if untaxable income, buy produce off the books, vala.If cattle want to be enslaved (and pay for it themselves kek) it's its choice.
>>522554623>muh obscure civil rights case is relevantLook, faggot. A globalized post-industrial labor market that is catering to a service-based economy needs people with social skills. This is not some grand communist Jewish conspiracy. This is practical reality. You can't use a standardized test to figure out whether or not the wagies you hire are capable of finessing customers into consuming. You need people who have experienced a modern day socialization daycare for fags transitioning from teenagers to adults. That's the way the modern world works. Deal with it
Trump really fucked everyone that isn't him. I feel bad for the retards who honestly thought he was some outsider fighting for the little guy when a google search would tell you everything about that faggot before he ran.
>>522554958>globalized post-industrial labor market that is catering to a service-based economy needs people with social skillsok chatgpt>This is not some grand communist Jewish conspiracy.in the national socialist state of the future, it will be mandatory for all citizens, not just the future professionals, to spend 18-22 in dorm rooms eating pizza and writing essays about how the real holocaust aka the second holocaust was the second best event in human history after the incarnation
>>522537645Clownworld was 2020, we are way past that now
>>522555402>only AI would understand the nature of the modern economyThis is a sad commentary on you and on modern society>butthurt over college and muh holocaustIf you cannot understand the practical reality of a post industrial economy then I don't know what to tell you. Go take an economics class
>>522541609>I'm going to kill all these groups that vastly outnumber my group when combinedWhat exactly is stopping all of these groups you hate from unifying to exterminate you?
>>522555726>practical reality of a post industrial economypost industrial economy was created by the snivel rights driving manufacturing away and because sources of wealth that arent government controlled risk creating henry fords and ross perots. the jews managed to keep oracle, microsoft, google in charge of computing through a long history of lawyering and other pressures. south korea and taiwan arent post industrial of course
