Are artists who try to do things that have never been done before degenerate?If you ask me, no, in fact, it's the opposite. In fact, I'm glad that certain artists are labeled as degenerate by pseudo-intellectuals like Hiertleer. It just shows how small their minds are, at the end of the day.You might point to the giant green buttplug in the center of town as degenerate. Agreed. But, let me ask you: why did the artist feel the need to do this? Could it have been an effort to draw attention to the insanity of the sexual commodity industry? Could the artist him or herself actually have been based? Could it be that he or she was screaming into the degenerate, liberal ech-chambers, saying, "Goyim! Look at what they have conned you into! Please, realize the error of your ways, and stop!"Maybe, if everyone wasn't jerking it to porn, succumbing to the divorce industry, we wouldn't rely on the circus of society to drop a fat, green butt plug in the center of the town square. Perhaps we should take responsibility for the butt plug, rather than demonizing Da Jooz, or even more retardedly, the artist, for demanding, in an embarrassingly, public fashion--that we clean up out act.Hatliar himself boinked Eva Braun outside of wedlock, and kept their relationship secret from the public, as a means of manipulation, in order to garner support from female Simps.Could it be that the Aryan Art shills here, peddling the hackneyed (and crappily done) paintings with themes of the Knight, the Dragon, and the Damsel in Distress, actually are making an effort to dumb you down, ensnare your minds in the Dark Ages, and prevent you from expanding your minds, and seeing what new avenues can be discovered withing Art? You haven't even considered that possibility, and it's because you're not being a critical thinker, and you're falling prey, like so many before you, to groupthink and herd mentality.Don't be a pseud. And don't be a clown.
that's too many conceptual balls for a reasonable person to juggle
>>522540671I would have just posted the first sentence, but I keep getting banned.
>>522540570You're not entirely incorrect, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of subversive and harmful art has wormed its way into public consciousness under the guise of being avant-garde.The question therefore should be how can we filter out the subversive slop from innovative art? A lot of voices on the dissident right won't like it, but it means taking back the entertainment institutions- no more waving away movies and TV as inherently jewish tools of manipulation that shouldn't be paid any mind.
>>522540738Side note: the fact that theater kid is now used as a pejorative by a lot of dissident right voices shows how little these voices actually care about maintaining cultural relevancy. I'm bumping this thread again because it actually made me think
>>522540570To answer your hypothetical about the green buttplug, you're assuming too much on the part of the 'artist.' The likelier motive behind that is the 'artist' is a braindead retarded gooner whose creativity doesn't go beyond>hahahaha sex get it? sex I'm so funnnnnyyyyySame principle as female 'comedians' whose punchline is always about vaginas and periods
>>522541037You can't expect the common man to be educated enough to naturally gravitate away from slop. I mean, the rise of the middle class, and then the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, etc., did result in the world we have today, with 1st world ruling over the 2nd and 3rd, with much more people educated in the 1st world than ever in history...Real art, real films, that aren't just about "Good wins against evil" and "Guy gets girl" do exist. But it takes an education, or at least a familiarity with Art, History, the Humanities and Sciences, in order to appreciate it. Sure, you can complain about kids' movies terrorizing them with apocalyptic imagery or monsters growling in their faces... Demonic eyes... These things shouldn't be shown to 3 year olds. Nor should porn.I don't know... I still believe that the project of building an empire, not just a kingdom, is entirely different, especially after the Industrial Revolution. You can't wrangle millions, or billions, of people and contain them in a box. And if you do, that's probably a bad idea in the long run. It's like Laissez-faire Economics. Let people fail. Don't micro-manage them and do too much hand-holding. Things will sort themselves out. The stupid, the weak, those with a bad attitude, will fall to the wayside. Every policy that seems to be good on paper, will inevitably be screwed up by someone or another....You never hear a rational explanation of why people on the Right object to homosexuality. It's always Muh Bible. And they do that for a good reason. They don't want the common man to be a critical thinker.
>>522540570Im not reading all that shit.modernism is sorta shit (though I like dos Passos)
>>522540570I am a working studio artist. Duchamp did "fountain" over a century ago. Doing provocative activist trash or trying to pass off filth as "Art" is the most derivative thing you can do today. If you want to do something truly subversive... try to make something truly awesome and beautiful. I mean AWEsome in the literal sense, a sense of awe, that really strikes people when they are front of it. Shocking people with something crass is played out.
>>522543093Modernism is actually mostly fine. It's post modernism and "comtemporary" "art" that is retarded commie nonsense. Even Brutalism is ok in some cases. Shit, even Bauhaus stuff can be interesting despite also being kind of marxist.
>>522542956Moreover, if they are always coming to you for answers, that is bad too. So explaining everything in detail is also a problem.Idk about what to do with Art from a public policy perspective... Supposedly it wasn't Da Gubmint who burned the books, it was students in various schools in Germany. Should those books have been burned? No! Now we don't know what they said! I mean, you have to hope that there are enough copies that still exist, that we can know what was said... Should the gubmint have come in, and taken them away from the people? No, also. That's a recipe for disaster. It might seem great on paper, but there will once again be spies and bad faith participants who will screw a good thing up.I mean... Freedom of speech and expression. Let everyone speak, in a randomized order, for an equal amount of time, uninterrupted. The light of truth will penetrate the darkness of lies. But that means we have to do the leg work and get up there and come prepared to lay waste to the clowns and Satanists whose sole purpose in life is to cause chaos in the host nation they occupy.We've already seen that the word has gotten out by word of mouth that people are becoming disgruntled at being abused by a handful of rich Jews. People found a way other than the censored media. Of course, the problem is that the more links there are in the telephone cable, the more the message becomes distorted. But people are starting to question circumcision. Should the government ban something like that? Yes. Should it ban art of circumcision? No.It's kind of like... Even though there will always be people who will try to screw up a good thing, you have to ask what the best policy is that will reduce harm the most, overall. You might say that banning a certain kind of art, like porn, is going to lead to an overall public benefit. But the trouble is that that will set a precedent for even more censorship, more governmental control, sending people back to the dark ages.
>>522542956Pop culture will always exist, sure. But there's a reason why some forms of art have always been regarded as higher art. Monarchs back in the day would patronize such institutions, thus lifting them up as finer examples for the common people who didn't know any better.My objection towards homosexuality is that it doesn't offer society any benefit at best and is predatory and actively spreads disease at worst. It'd be one thing if fags actually did keep it behind closed doors like they promised they would, but the record has showed that that was just a pretense- exactly like how subversive, harmful art used novelty as its pretense.
>>522540570Shut up jew
>>522543488It's much better if porn is eschewed by people from the bottom up. Of course, public officials can use their freedom of speech, and their influence, to tell people their opinion on what's good or bad.I mean, should people be prevented from starting a religion based on a movie, and walking around wearing a bathrobe and aviators? Also no. That's what makes our culture so unique. You can do crazy things like live a meme life, become a millionaire by designing bumper stickers.If you try to do things from the top down, you run the risk of making the wrong move, and doing more harm than good. Sure, Hitler's intentions might have been good for his people, but he says things like: "We shall have a classless society! People who labor with their body, or in the mind, will be rewarded. Yet we are all equal in the end, we are one German people!" in reference to Socialism, I think. Maybe that statement was thrown into his speech by an infiltrator in his party, trying to muddy the waters, or maybe it was just his naivete. How many things that the Communist governments do end up being colossal failures, because they, from their gilded towers, can't possible understand the needs of the peasants? And then they enact a policy that they think is good, but ends up backfiring even worse?The world, life, and society is very complex, and defies definition. Art is as old as civilization itself, even older than writing, and has been among the most vital parts of any society. Let people speak their mind, and let the clowns talk themselves into a corner. Obviously, a line has to be drawn, with regard to things like cheddar pitas.
>>522541196I was a theater kid and and a band kid. They attract plenty of narcissists and sociopaths. I always thought they'd be nicer people than the preppies and jocks but they may have actually been worse.
>>522543488Or maybe the books glorified and normalized an antinatalist pro castration sterilization culture that was harmful to a healthy vibrant society?
>>522543130Kids shouldn't be exposed to porn. So keep that crap out of the public eye. But adults should be able to handle themselves. If they are swayed by a cult leader's art, and find themselves knee-deep in a sex cult, well that's how evolution runs its course. Some things should be censored, things where harm is necessarily done to innocent or helpless people... But who is supposed to be helping keep their children away from degenerate art in the media? Parents. Yet most take their 6 year old to the PG-13 movie without a second thought. And all the PG rated movies have a lot of very adult things in them. And goy parents just keep taking their kids to them, they just let it happen. Should the government censor Shizney? No. Sometimes things are best done top-down, sometimes they're best done bottom-up.
>>522543938There are people like that in every social clique. I'll grant that these days, theater does feel as though it's overrepresented by that kind of person, but that's again because it's been neglected by the right as an effeminate waste of time.
>>522543130>I am a working studio artist. Duchamp did "fountain" over a century ago. Doing provocative activist trash or trying to pass off filth as "Art" is the most derivative thing you can do today. If you want to do something truly subversive... try to make something truly awesome and beautiful. I mean AWEsome in the literal sense, a sense of awe, that really strikes people when they are front of it. Shocking people with something crass is played out.The circus is here to stay. The Greeks held the mask of Tragedy and Comedy at the same level. We're all just trying to make a buck. You like tragedy right now, ok go for it. Don't knock someone who is living it up as a comedian. There's still plenty of ground to explore in the realm of the circus.
>>522544235I've met the same people as that other anon have, and had friends in other groups too.So trust me when I say those ego-maniac sociopaths, when in theatre and band are a million times worse due to the theatrics they pull.It's diabolical what they're capable of.
>>522540570>You might point to the giant green buttplug in the center of town as degenerate. Agreed. But, let me ask you: why did the artist feel the need to do this? Could it have been an effort to draw attention to the insanity of the sexual commodity industry?That's the big point against modern art. Modern art is designed to be shocking and draw attention to some issue. In other words, its a fucking commercial. It isn't designed to be beautiful and interesting in and of itself. It is not timeless and universal. It is designed to point to something else.
>>522543550Cliche art is perfectly fine for children who don't know any better. But we have moved far past those things in the modern day. There's more to talk about than "Good wins over evil" and "Guy gets girl."
>>522544362Were the sociopaths talented? Is it possible for a non-sociopath to thrive in that kind of environment?
>>522544542It's easier to get ahead when you don't comprehend guilt or shame.
>>522544094Ever heard of the class of eunuchs who guarded the emperor's concubines, as part and parcel of the great civilizations everyone here always seems to drool over?The best policy is one that prevents the most harm overall. Should the government censor speech and expression? In most cases, no, because if they have that power, it will backfire and cause more harm overall. But they should outlaw such things, and certainly not give taxpayer money to people who have been conned into thinking they were born in the wrong body.America is an experimental society. It's hard to maintain a balance of laissez-faire and top-down control that will prevent people from doing harm to themselves. When it comes to art and expression, most things shouldn't be banned. Sure, porn shouldn't be allowed to be displayed in public, where children are going to see it. That's a pretty obvious harm that the government does need to step in and control. But banning porn altogether... That's an entirely different affair, and could counter-intuitively cause more harm to people if that plan was followed through.
>>522544444Cliches are staples for a reason. You can categorize pretty much any story into less than ten different basic plotlines. Also checking those quints
>>522543130>I am a working studio artist.No you’re not.The entire perception of an artist is based on the history of fine art post photography. For centuries before that the art world was like the VFX or video game industry now. Cutting edge tech combined with craftsmen who behaved more similarly to electricians and plumbers than eccentric actors and philosophers. Learn the trade, use your skills, make a decent living, retire. None of this starving artist bullshit and very little room for personal artistic expression. Napoleon or a local duke needed a portrait done, they didn’t give a fuck about your opinions on anything.
>>522544642Yes, but that applies to just about any profession outside of manual labor.
>>522544094>Or maybe the books glorified and normalized an antinatalist pro castration sterilization culture that was harmful to a healthy vibrant society?Free speech means guys like us have to do the legwork to meet the Satanists on stage and debate them into submission. That's how democracy always worked: daily discourse in the public forum/square. Without that, you're left with the government sitting in their gilded towers, doing what they think is best. But sometimes they make mistakes that cause more harm than good. Imagine if porn was actually banned. Where do you draw the line? Is any picture of a naked woman porn? How about a picture of a woman who is scantily clad? How about pictures of bikinis? It's a very dangerous, very fast, slippery slope back to the dark ages, where people are forced to make their art exaggerated and grotesque, so as to not disobey Yahweh's commandment to not create graven images, and where women are given 20 lashes for displaying an unsocked ankle.
>>522544792I have a studio in my house and 2 blocks away is an even larger studio. I have a ton of work coming through this winter. I'm more hands on that the majority of people posting here. Some of the shit I do is very industrial and hazardous. You think I'm just some faggot with a wacom?
>>522544444Cliches are fun your jewish rules are societal rot and can be compared to a large black womans whooping.Go make another shity starwars without the SOVL retard
>>522544398Most pop culture slop is just that. It's trying to steer the public in this or that direction. There is more to art than making things that are beautiful. Picasso isn't remembered because he just made work that is beautiful. He did things that no one had done before. Same thing with the Impressionism movement. They were inventors of sorts, and paved the way for the art we have in the common day, like Giger or the trippy art that keeps cropping up in the hyperborea threads.
>>522544974I'm more of a Platonist than a democracy believer anymore.
>>522540570$20 says the cia/kikes dosed him lsd and that is why his paintings are so weird
Artists historically hob nobbed with the upper echelons of society. We did work for church’s wealthy etc, it was not an industry that dealt with the poor. The modern perception of an artist as an awkward socially inept outcast is not applicable historically. The value of Networking etc has always been diminished somewhat in art compared to other fields of study as art is largely results based, but you still needed to be able to wear court attire and not weird out the powerful people you undoubtedly run into briefly.>>522545057The amount of people making a living doing traditional art in 2025 is very limited. Serious artists now work for blizzard ilm or Pixar.
>>522545364Picasso? Maybe if they have a time machine.
>>522544974The weimar era was absolutely not the time to 'meet satanists on stage and debate them.' Free speech did no good because at that point, they controlled the narrative. Sometimes to do what's right for your people's survival, you have to be an autocrat. Think of it like cultural shock therapy
>>522545188You were never paid to make “pop culture “ as an artist. A local church needed a gigantic mural of Jesus or something.
>>522545384>serious artistsYes the calarts nepo babies and underpaid deviant art graphic designers are the serious artists.
>>522545508Even Attic pottery had popular makers that made all kinds of borderline disposable items with funny jokes and memes. I think your premise is wrong overall. I bet there were popular artists in the bronze age as well. Some dudes copper designs were the rage 6000 years ago.
>>522545526Spider-Man farts on frame 37 and the explosion lasts 4 seconds. I want it on my desk by the 4th of February.
>>522545175Star Wars is cliche goyslop. Sure, it does break some molds. But it's certainly not revolutionary. The Lmao's all look more or less like things that exist on Earth. My Jewish rules? My point is that the government can use their speech and reach to influence public opinion all they want, but they shouldn't have the power to censor things that don't immediately cause harm. Because such things end up being worse for society overall, it seems like. Look at JooToob, with all its censorship and shadowbanning. It's just polished, corporate drivel. Very rarely do you find anything revolutionary or exceptional. How many regular people who want to do things that are new and innovative, possibly taboo and unpleasant, find their work unable to reach people's ears? That's a bad thing, and it could have disastrous effects if that power was given to the government. We would lose our enticing quality of being the culture giant of the world.Not to mention, how many practical innovations in the Sciences are encouraged and inspired by innovations in the Arts? We need to evolve, expand our minds, and if we restrict things too much, we might find ourselves lagging behind another culture that allows new, uncomfortable, innovative ideas to breath.Should the government ban South Park? No. Should parents work very hard to stop their children from watching it? Yes. Top down/bottom up dynamic.
>>522545682It’s not my premise it’s an accurate description of the art world. If you’re adding your own personal statements to the ass hairs on the Incredible Hulk you are in deep shit and fired.
>>522545204Our "democracy" of 400 million people is quite a bit different than how things were done in the city-state of 100? 200 thousand people? of Athens.
>>522540570Innovative art is actively suppressed. Ideological institutions rule the field. Artists are no longer innovators, they are actors fulfilling a pre ordained theater of art. Truly innovative art happens outside and goes unnoticed. Innovative art will happen again in the mainstream when an rebalance of oligarchs/aristocratics seek to upend current entrenched institutions and use art as one of those means. Innovative artists without a backing of power just die in obscurity. So innovative artists should instead be looking down the pipe at what power might be coming to upset the balance and align themselves with that. Art doesn't make power, it supports it. If you want to be a foundation in power, become a philosopher or start a business.>T. In the industry
>>522545700>get's fired when showing up with 3d sculpture. I should have just used the AI dammit!
>lol I’m soooo quirky lollllGood for you.>goes back to work
>>522545862>Truly innovative art happens outside and goes unnoticed. Innovative art will happen again in the mainstream when an rebalance of oligarchs/aristocratics seek to upend current entrenched institutions and use art as one of those means.Will there be a bottleneck or jump point? What signs to look for baby
>degenerate?They are all degenerate.
>>522545916Particle effects guys are begging to input text commands or parameters into ai rather than write thousands of lines of code and scripts
>>522545967Don't work to hard fren.
>>522540570I thnink he means you cannot change what you are and thjat is a good thing.
>>522546050Just airbrush the symbol tool. Don't stay up all night doing every particle.
>>522545862this anon is right. faggots have fucked our culture.https://www.brighteon.com/f6878fec-3fc6-42a6-89bd-63ab5c248eff
>>522540570I see a happy merchant wtf
George we can’t add the scene with jar jar eating fried chicken and watermelon you know that.
>>522546028It's already happening. >Tech is a new rising power base that is historically a very new political bloc>Populism and anti globalism will only increase from hereRead into that what you will. The gallery system is dying so whatever replaces it or takes it over hasn't been built yet. Liberal low tier artists are getting kicked back to their trust funds all over the country.
>>522541196>says this>>522543938>the reason it's a pejorative gets explained to him>>522544235...Just so you know, the "theater kids" are using "theater kid" as a pejorative too. Fucking imbecile.>he's never heard someone mock themselves with that term
>>522546126>Don't stay up all night doing every particle.The 100 hour work week is standard in a lot of places. The burnout rate is absurd.
>>522546316AI is going to speed up these workflows but its going to upend the industry.
>>522544792The walls of the pyramid have extended past the walls of the regional kingdom, past the confines of the country, now to the entire world. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world. The amount of education people have in the 1st world is more than ever before, and it's a big part of why we are the rulers of the world. And in our society, everyone is given the opportunity to move up in society. This is a first in history. Art is a highly specialized field, and requires a lot of know-how in order to appreciate and understand. People should be able to do whatever they want with their art, as long as they're not directly causing harm. That's part of the mix that makes our culture great, and leagues ahead of most others. The traditional tactics of the Church censoring things "for the public benefit" failed, just like the castle walls were broken down by the cannon. We have to evolve and adapt, and if the idealistic utopian ideal doesn't pan out, then we have to move on. We're not children, where the only thing that's appropriate to witness is Robin Hood and King Arthur. The cultures that restrict such forms of expression can be found lower on the global totem pole, and that's part of the reason they're stuck there.Porn shouldn't be shown to kids, shouldn't be in public. But the government can't be relied upon to solve all of society's problems. Censoring art and speech is one of those things. It's the same old problem between Socrates being put to death for doing nothing but speaking, daring to question the aristocracy.The problem with top-down government controlling everything is 1. They can't know the needs of the people, from their gilded towers. 2, what if they think they're doing a good thing, but it ends up worse and backfires? Democracy, freedom of speech and expression, might not be perfect, but maybe it's more resilient than other forms of government. 3. What if the government gets infiltrated and corrupted?
>>522546252No serious artist does painting. It’s a dead medium with a low skill ceiling and complexity compared to cg.
>>522546406If all the power is held by the few, and none is held by the people, it's a recipe for disaster.
>>522540570Of course not. Balzac addresses this in his Treatise on Elegance. Properly "new" art or fashion can be classified into three groups:>Innovation"This is a new technique, here is why it is good"ex. so, so very many, but your pic related of late-stage Braque and Picasso Cubism was quite intentional, intelligent and stylistically-coherent.>DandyismNovelty devoid of meaning, "it's good because it's new"ex. "he put a feather in his cap and called it macaroni">DecadenceNovelty specifically for the sake of destroying or exhausting the possibilities of previous artex. "my orgy is missing a priest">Could it be that the Aryan Art shills here, peddling the hackneyed (and crappily done) paintings with themes of the Knight, the Dragon, and the Damsel in Distress, actually are making an effort to dumb you down, ensnare your minds in the Dark Ages, and prevent you from expanding your minds, and seeing what new avenues can be discovered withing Art?Counterpoint: Italian futurism
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>>522546414>moving pictures are never going to make it! The 1900's will always be about photorealistic classicalism from Europe! Anyone who considers "movies" as ART is foolish
>>522546414Working illustrators =/= fine artsNot to denigrate your profession, it's fine work, but just explaining it's a different field entirely. Also painting is a small subsection of that.
>>522546389Sadly no, it can’t even automate low level tasks. It’s only used in aaa work to mass produce achievement art like in cod. Even if it somehow did change things, every serious artist would embrace the new tech. Stop listening to those tumblr losers they arent real artists.
>>522540570I feel more emotions, see more objects, and can imagine the scene more than let's say a giant green buttplug can ever which will only piss me off and make me ignore the 'modern' world more.
>>522546414They are people out there making a good living but's not that common. I know a pastel artist that sells like crazy. I think I know a couple people who could live frugally on 2d art. There is a big artist near me who makes a lot of money and lives in the country but he does 3d stuff.
>>522546522https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2CZn966cUg
>>522540570Experimentation is not degenerate. Art with a total lack of figurative content is a pro capitalist cia operation though. Postmodernist abstraction was backed by the cia in order to destroy the capacity for western art to carry a message that may critique capitalism.
>>522545419Idk enough about that time period to comment. Currently, the President is able to use his free speech and his popularity to sway public opinion. But it's probably much worse if we go back to censorship and monarchy, and give away all power and rights to the government. And they know this, even though a lot of them become corrupted by their power and abuse it. But they know that our country, and their status and prestige, could disappear if they fuck around enough.
>>522546530There are like 500 autistic VFX guys that work on marvel films and a writer and director who are the guys making Wolverine a trans lesbian. Most VFX guys are gamer types that probably voted for trump.
>>522540570You are right but that piece is trash, the majority of his paintings are overvaluated and overrated garbage
>>522546255It's being used in theater circles in attempt to reclaim it, same as how fags reclaimed queer. >>522543938 Doesn't change the fact that professions like banking, business, and law attract devious, manipulative traits, if not more so than theater. Fact of the matter is unimaginative right wing voices use theater kid as a term of abuse because they think it's a waste of time/useless skill
>>522545508The middle class, and our modern society, where everyone is given an opportunity to move up in society, and make his lot in life better, is part of the reason that we are in the 1st world, what with the majority of our citizens having a highschool and college education; and the rest of the world is serving us.
>>522546465OP doesn't realize you can simultaneously enjoy German Expressionism and Arno Breker.
>>522546691Think more Charlie Chaplin tierWhat im trying to say is pre1900 people thought movies would NEVER happen. Like today where every jackass with a proko account fancies themselves Myron Barnstones and think they now every deatil on how to SELL your art, but the next cutting edge is near impossible to predict.Marvel sucks anyways
>>522546763Listen man I’m glad you voted for Bernie sanders I really am, but I need to get this environment textured by next Friday.
>>522546763Maybe in the 70s.
>>522546842>Marvel sucks anywaysDon’t look at me I just make explosions look cool. It doesn’t matter to me what film they are in.
>>522546673I first saw Ellsworth Kelly in some gallery in La Jolla and even though I think the idea is the dumbest thing on paper it's nice to stand in front of a simple giant piece of color. Standing in front of a giant swatch, but then the layers of varnish give it an effect you have to be in person to see. I wouldn't pay millions of dollars for it though.
>>522546673The hippies ruined the word experimentation beyond repair. Now anyone who actually comes up with something never seen before is immediately branded as a pie in the sky liberal snowflake who needs to grow up and get a real job manipulating stocks
>>522547053I like Mark Rothko decently enough, but the fact that the entire postmodernist art movement was a cia backed movement meant to destroy western art pisses me off.
>>522545862>Innovative art is actively suppressed. Ideological institutions rule the field. Artists are no longer innovators, they are actors fulfilling a pre ordained theater of art.>Truly innovative art happens outside and goes unnoticed. Innovative art will happen again in the mainstream when an rebalance of oligarchs/aristocratics seek to upend current entrenched institutions and use art as one of those means.Mainstream normie pop culture society is this way for a reason. It requires an education, time, effort, and study with masters in order to appreciate avant garde art. The majority of society simply can't, or won't, put in the time and effort. There are so many people, all across the world, who don't even know what "cliche" means, or its implications, which is lesson 1 when you get to the higher levels of Arts and Literature schooling. If people did, they wouldn't watch goyslop.I mean, I still watch goyslop, but I'm always having to "see past" the sloppy things, and pick up bits and pieces that are more interesting. It's rare that you come across a genuine film. You have to dig for it. I'd put Midnight Gospel much higher in the genuine category. But a show like that shouldn't, and can't, be mainstream, unless everyone becomes a reality-questioning intellectual. And again, people have to bake the bread, so the majority of society, the normies, simply can't, or won't put in the time.Don't worry about the normies too much. Do what you can to improve things, but water has a way of finding the easiest route toward the sea...
>>522547130Photography killed it the cia just raped the dead corpse
>>522546197>Why can't everyone in society be an educated intellectual?Because people need to bake the bread, or operate the machines, or fix and lubricate the machines.
>>522547158Nah. Regular modernism is good and some contemporary stuff after the postmodernist movement where they reintroduced subjects into the art is also good. It’s specifically that Cold War era capitalist postmodernism that’s trash.
>>522547265I’ve known plenty of smart people that work normal jobs. Success in contemporary America is based more on whether you’d be comfortable with fucking other people over for your own personal gain.
>>522547288>his name was Robert Paulson
>>522546434Technically, the slave always has the ability to organize and overthrow his master.
>>522540570>Are artists who try to do things that have never been done before degenerate?These are the avant-garde, not necessarily degenerate.> You might point to the giant green buttplug in the center of town as degenerate. Agreed. But, let me ask you: why did the artist feel the need to do this? Could it have been an effort to draw attention to the insanity of the sexual commodity industry?This is quite possible, but there is a problem. In this case, the artist attempts to communicate a message. If the receivers of the message don't understand it, has he not failed as an artist? If the upset caused in the receiver does not ultimately resolve into understanding the artist's message, has the artist not failed?Or has the art curator, distributor, promoter failed for presenting the work through channels don't reach an understanding-capable audience?I suppose it's possible the artist addresses the public as a hive-mind and he doesn't care about the bees who can't understand it. >Perhaps we should take responsibility for the butt plug, rather than demonizing Da Jooz, or even more retardedly, the artist, for demanding, in an embarrassingly, public fashion--that we clean up out act.I think here it's more a matter of maturity. Artists who shock for its own sake come across as juvenile or incompetent - and can you really blame the receivers for their lack of patience for the artist?In the case of the jews, I'd take it case by case. Do you think the white genocide propaganda in Hollywood productions is accidental? Or incompetence? Or is it malicious? They seem plainly antiwhite and malicious to me. (All disclaimers about "not all jews" etc. aside for the sake of argument).(cont'd)
>>522547533pt 2>Could it be that the Aryan Art shills here, peddling the hackneyed (and crappily done) paintings with themes of the Knight, the Dragon, and the Damsel in Distress, actually are making an effort to dumb you down, ensnare your minds in the Dark Ages, and prevent you from expanding your minds, and seeing what new avenues can be discovered withing Art?The Aryan Art threads here (that I believe are posted every Sunday) do it right. They have a particular purpose: white remoralization within a specific traditional frame - and they do this exceedingly well. They understand their intention, audience, and context. You might not respond to it personally, and that's valid, but you should be aware enough to understand the hackneyed stuff is actually *your tradition* as a white man.Which is not to say that there's no place for avant-garde work. They slip into the Aryan Art threads sometimes, but they're infrequent enough and not so radical that they enhance the experience rather than detract. There is definitely room for, say, "Challenging art for Aryans" threads.> If you ask me, no, in fact, it's the opposite. In fact, I'm glad that certain artists are labeled as degenerate by pseudo-intellectuals like Hiertleer. It just shows how small their minds are, at the end of the day.I think "degenerate" means bad for the White People as a whole. If art is created, presented, and received in ways that are actually bad for whites, how much support should it get? Isn't that a clear sign of malicious intent toward the White People - or, at the very least, art which is incompetently fashioned, presented, or delivered?
>>522547553There is a level of scatological filth that is pushed for profit and harm and then whites are gaslit about what is being done. When I was a small kid Jerry Springer baffled me. I didn't really understand "degeneracy" like I do now. That "low brow" grossness that just seemed like edgy joke but you just can't help but detect a degree of meanness to it that was was actually targeted and used to destroy the spirit at a mass consciousness level. A media designed to psyop people into normalizing low vibration trashiness. I'm not saying that Pink Flamingos can't exist because things can be made in earnest but having an entire lifetime of filth constantly flowing at all levels of culture, then leaving the house and seeing these slovenly base, hylic animals masquerading as people show how damaging and subversive it truly can be.
>>522546465>Italian futurismGranted, that's innovative while not being degenerate. But I think the problem still remains of top-down control, which tries to prevent harm as it sees it, actually doing more harm than good. I mean, you've seen one of those paintings, you've seen them all (for the most part). People have to be allowed to break all molds. They have to be able to break the mold the day after it has solidified, and make something new the next day, that has never been done before.The more unpleasant, ugly, grotesque paintings Picasso made would have been called degenerate by our Aryan heroes. Duchamp's Fountain would have been too. But creativity and expression can't be stifled too much, or else we will lose the race against another freer culture.Look at anime. It's mostly cliche romances. Sure, it's "based" from a social perspective. But it's hardly innovative. Of course, there are exceptions. But on the whole, they lag behind us, probably because of the strictures of their conservative culture.Of course, lines do have to be drawn that reduce harm. But the point is that you have to wonder whether the line you're drawing will reduce harm, or actually cause more harm. Children should be protected from the adult world of sex and gore, until their bodies indicate that they are ready to witness such things.By the way, no matter how many rules you make, people will find a way to work around them. Obviously, the government should make rules so that it's harder for the demons to destroy society. Taxpayer money should not go to trans surgeries, and circumcision should be banned. But I don't think art of such things should be censored by the government. That's a very slippery slope.Of course, the government, in cahoots with corpo, does censor quite a lot. And that's why so much of our society still lives in the dark ages, getting down on their knees and pretending to cannibalize a dead magician from the middle of the desert.
>>522547926>That "low brow" grossness that just seemed like edgy joke but you just can't help but detect a degree of meanness to it that was was actually targeted and used to destroy the spirit at a mass consciousness level.Excellent discription
Subversion of expectations for the sake of it is what a pseud does when trying to make their "art" interesting.
>>522548148>tosses a lightsaber and billions of dollars off a cliff
>>522546630It's the top-down/bottom-up dialectic. The king can't know the needs of the people from his gilded tower. What he thinks is good, might actually turn out worse. There needs to be a balance of power (almost like checks and balances of power), where harm immediate harm is prevented, but things are not so stringent that no evolution ever occurs.So much of the Nazi rhetoric seems hopelessly idealistic, and also naive. >"Germany shall be a classless society!"
>>522548429The health and wellfare of the people is the most important part. Pro natalism and healthy, strong virtuous living, whatever the actually entails. Uplifting humanity and your people. Instead in the west we are subsidizing an army of low iq imbeciles. It's almost like an alien force is trying to de-evolve humanity.
>>522546700It might not be high quality, but it's anything but trash. It's innovative. Take MC Escher for example.
>>522546705>Acting is a useless skillJimminny Crimbus.
>>522546896When's the last time you tilled the fields or worked in a textile factory?
>>522546700His name has an incredible amount of weight. He could sketch on an a napkin and trade it for a night out. I'm a big fan of both his blue and cubist periods. He also made a lot of decent sculpture. Maybe he's overrated? I don't know. He was the real deal though, like Dali.
>>522546819>Arno BrekerSeems pretty cliche, to be honest.Maybe appropriate for the masses, for the soldier to look up to. But us chemists and Inception explorers have other kinds of art we'd rather be studying...
>>522548022>Italian futurism>you've seen one of those paintings, you've seen them all (for the most part).If you believe that, you really need to reexamine the movement. You had so many different things in a short period of time: >Boccioni's quasi-cubist work that could easily be confused with Picasso to the untrained eye. >Marinetti, casually inventing modern typography>Depero, whose soda bottles are in every store and ads mysteriously find themselves on the walls of young women trying to affect sophistication>Aeropainting>The entire aesthetic that people refer to as "sci-fi" There's also the fact that Dada was literally a response to futurism; note that D'Annunzio and Fiume are mentioned -twice- in the original Dada manifesto, which is more than anything else.
>>522546883Art and speech that doesn't cause immediate harm or encourage harm should not be censored by the government. Goyslop for the masses has always been around. Folk songs, paintings in restaurants. That's all superhero crap is anyway. Idk what we're arguing about.
>>522548805Yeah when you google image search it's not that impressive but the style lends itself very well to monumental sculpture.
>>522540570What you're saying is:>I love the plateau!!! I want to stay on the plateau FOREVER!!! I love competing with other people for imaginary tokens of value and fighting over resources when there's enough to go around!!! I love inefficiency!!! I love stagnation!!!! I love pointless war!!!!! I love being a serf and I love the technology stagnation!!! I love the plateau!!!! I love status quo!!!!!That is what you are communicating with this post. A lot of /pol/ does
>>522547053>I wouldn't pay millions of dollars for it though.Maybe you wouldn't, but someone else will. Maybe there's stuff going on there that you just don't understand. Maybe it is worth it for the incredibly rich investor to throw money at anything and everything that is totally new and different from what has come before. You might not like it, but truth be told, you're not going to find a banana taped to the wall anywhere but in an American museum. What you see as stupid, or degenerate, someone else might see as full of meaning.Point is, censorship bad, unless it's keeping porn away from children, and causing less harm to people overall. If Trump wants to shitpost in all caps about how he hates this or that artist, he's free to. But he shouldn't be able to censor art that isn't directly hurting people.Again, when you take that power away from the king, and put it in the hands of the citizens, that means it's our job to go out there and regulate the public sphere, get up on stage, and fight back (with words) in the culture war against things we find objectionable, like leather parades with men in underwear twerking in front of children.
>>522546673Wow. Is all I can say to that.
>>522548659You sound surprised, but that's their honest opinion a lot of the time. They spin it as though it's just a bunch of larping brats playing make believe. Again, not saying that's never the case, or that it only attracts fine and honest people, but it's a mistake to leave acting careers in the hands of subversive communist dirtbags, and so long as the theater kid stigma continues, that's where it will stay
>>522547362Being smart only takes you so far. You need to have a wide, deep knowledge base in order to really appreciate high art, literature, and music.
>>522549137The UK and EU are big on progressive globohomo censorship. The other thing is that between Europe and USAID stealing tax money, people are actually endorsing subversive damaging shit with leftist lingo. So many art endowments and grants for the most bizarre shit. Tax money. Works Progress at least tried to paint inspiring murals. My point is that your concerns seem to be backwards. Why is trashy demoralizing shit being pushed. Some bored snarky negress statue standing idly with a cell phone? "The Embrace" in Boston? They're tearing down statues but you're pointing fingers? Get fucked.
>>522540570one fine Xtmas season my dad commissioned my older bro to make Picasso style custom Christmas cards to send out. Dad would give my bros a QRD on the person, like if they had a boat, or WTF else they might be into, and my bro would do some Picasso style crazy shit based on it. Of a dozen, at least two people thought my dad had stumbled upon an actual Picasso that "spoke to something" and had a card made from it. One guys wife didn't believe it was done by my bro until very close exam showed it wasn't any print, but an original hand made. My bro was about 10yrs old, and somewhat talented at drawing.BTW, this proves, empirically, that Hitler was right about Jewish "art", and what you thought when you were 4yrs old is correct, and adults are frauds.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Beltracchi
>>522540570If artists are the only ones making works of degeneration, you have a fantastic society.
>>522549261>>522541196I am right-wing and an artist, writer and playwright. Although there is obviously no shortage of morons who happen to align with (some of) our beliefs, your simplistic depiction of the right as anti-art imbeciles with truncheons is a complete misunderstanding of our perspective.
>>522548767This is an example of a painting that our Godly IQ Aryan heroes would have torched. And that's a huge problem. Maybe they wouldn't have torched it...We're just back to the dilemma of interpretation. What you see in a work is most often a reflection of you more than it is a reflection of the work. It's a mark of a healthy, strong, fortified society if you have art that is a little difficult to understand...
>>522540570Why are those artists more important than the people that hate them for their degeneracy? Lots of people have a lot to say, that doesn't mean it's valuable. Why are you associating those social trends as a causative agent rather than comorbities? Why are you defending any sort of public humiliation displays aimed at you?Why are you such a faggot?
>>522549418I don't think anything is wrong with Picasso, this just sounds like your brother is cool and has "an eye." It also says more about the adults not being able to identify art very well.
>>522548953If "degenerate" art was banned, they'd push more and more, and we wouldn't be able to draw nude figures at all, and it would just continue from there, until we can only draw Christian things.
>>522549690They'd put it in a "degenerate art" show and then be a little miffed that it was popular.
>>522549756The only people banning art are muslims and the chinese. I don't know why you keep talking about National Socialists.
>>522549578The dissident right voices I'm referring to in those posts are very often kosher conservatives/matt walsh types who think that anime is satanic and that dnd is witchcraft. They're by no means representative of every voice on the dissident right, but they're loud enough for their influence to be a burden that should be overcome
>>522549845>kosher conservativesYes, retards how disavow the austrian painter. You are correct.
>>522540570Trying to pretend doing something that wasn't done before automatically makes it art is deep retardation and a misguided attempt to achieve fame and money while being oblivious to the mechanics of kike astroturfing that made worthless crusts "valuable".
>>522540570OP, would you say the same thing if an artist put the picture of a 13 yo girl and a 30 yo man together and a caption that said "Natural"?
>>522549408There's an ebb and flow in society of tragedy and comedy. Kind of a yin-yang dynamic. The more things start to look like a circus, the more the Stiffs come in and try to restore order. Then things get too stiff, and the clowns come back and try to make people ease up more. Don't get in a huff over a sassy Black statue or brainwashed liberals holding phones made in Chinese sweatshops and wearing slave-made clothing, knocking down statues of slave masters. Don't miss the forest for the trees. These minor, daily issues will solve themselves, for the most part. Every day, the puppeteers are making another news segment about a local puppy that licked a baby's face. You can't whack every mole. Another will pop up.If you meet a Black person, who is young, a liberal, brainwashed by the media, who walks by you at the bus stop, loudly saying, "Say it!" as he walks by you, you as a White man sitting there and minding your own business, this is a golden opportunity for you to change his mind. Push back, respectfully on some of his brainwashing. Has he ever considered the fact that no one ever complained about Africans warring against each other and enslaving themselves for thousands of years? Africans. Enslaving. Themselves. Slavery.Chill out and don't be reactive. Let the chips fall where they may, and don't knock the circus, because it's been around for a long time, and will continue to be.
>>522549418Picasso said his goal was to paint like a child.
>>522549786Yeah, and there's a high chance that they're mistaken that the work has no value. What if there were artists that make work that is intentionally provocative, to dissuade certain groups from appreciating it, so that it can bypass their gaze? Kind of like how none of us listen to Hip-Hop, and how a lot of that is just Blacks communicating with each other about what to do regarding the White Question.
>>522540570You’re jewish
>>522544542Theater/acting requires you to either lie to a large group of people, or adopt multiple personalities like a mask. Both are like cocaine to narcissist and BPD whores.
>>522549830Kid's art for kids, goyslop normie art for goys, enlightened art for enlightened people, Rothko art for cultured artheads who enjoy having an in-group that few outsiders understand. Just chill out.
>>522550214Acting is very hard to do well, for some reason rightoids have nothing but contempt for the craft.
>>522549845If you have a conversation with someone, face to face, and challenge this or that idea, and de-program some of his brainwashing, that can go a lot further than screaming in a YouTube video about politics.
>>522550299There are right wing actors they just can't say it out loud.
>>522550323Frustrating because pro-white films should be easy to make, the demand is definitely there, but Hollywood is such a total antiwhite tyranny.
>>522549918Not all abstract art is innovative. Sure, maybe some of the high end art market is money laundering, but maybe it's honestly not, and you simply don't understand what's going on, because you haven't spent more than 5 minutes studying Art History.
>>522549997If you don't like it, then sit your lazy ass down at the Chess board of the culture war, and debate them in an public forum, or make your own art and try to make it outshine theirs. But the government shouldn't censor most things, if you ask me.
>>522550214That doesn't answer my question, and liars, narcissists, and sociopaths are attracted to plenty of other influential and lucrative fields
>>522550299To do it properly requires some kind of dissassociative mental condition. Again, there is a reason BPD types are attracted to the craft. Then there is the fact that the trade itself was a holdover from when the average person didn't have access to visual media. Same with traditional paint on canvas artists. There is no point in painting something when a digital camera can take a photo or move in much higher fidelity than any human can paint.The reality is that real life is more interesting than fiction in most cases, and now anybody can capture those images.
>>522550395Perhaps changing the minds of the Jews in power, and forming alliances, and showing them that they only exist with out help, might do more in the long term than demonizing them. They were the underdogs for the longest time, they got treated badly by us over and over again, and some of them retaliated, which is understandable. The building of an empire is a lot different than that of a kingdom. And every ethnostate was bulldozed by the pragmatic empires who were more willing to make compromises and allow variations in culture, as long as there were enough similarities, and people keep working and paying taxes.There are a lot of Jews doing bad things, but there are plenty of regular people just trying to get by, and plenty of Jews who would be more than happy to switch sides, and leave their Satanic brethren behind.
Hey anon...Thanks for making a decent thread in the wellspring of shit that is /pol/. Too often I feel the modern poster is trying to swim with the normies amongst the sharks, when we should embrace our superior mental capacities and discuss ways of shaping culture, rather than being reactionary.
>>522550532I feel like you're kind of triggered. Just go smoke a clove and chill out.
>>522550532They are indeed, anon. But those fields require actual skill in something else, typically math, science and/or engineering knowledge or background. Acting is just pure manipulation. Like salesman. Even politicians have to know a little more than the average actor.
>>522550566>There is no point in painting something when a digital camera can take a photo or move in much higher fidelity than any human can paint.Low quality bait
>>522550692Too few people here are skeptics. I understand that a lot of it is trolling, but if you troll so much that someone actually gets harmed... That's a problem. I'll shut up for a while.
>>522550692Maybe I'll just limit my posts and replies to half sentences from now on.
>>522550658Whites shouldn't be in the position of having to ask jews for permission or help in order to make pro-white media.Not to preclude pragmatic arrangements where they make sense, but whites are a distinct people who should have their own means both materially and in terms of social organization.
>>522550731>post a fantasy imageA photo of a leaf is 100000x more interesting than that image. You can call this bait if it makes you feel better.
>>522550692>what do you mean we?
>>522550696>i feel like you're kind of triggeredI'm just tired. Lawyers, doctors, CEOs, and bankers are every bit as self-absorbed, psychotic, and two-faced as the worst theater kids I've known, and I'm sick of people whom I usually consider my ideological brethren pretending that acting/entertainment is a worthless cesspit that exclusively attracts scum and villainy
>>522550863We can make pro-White media. And we should. And maybe if we do, we'll realize that it wasn't the conservative ethnostates that have dominated the world, it's the melting pots, almost by definition. Jews might dominate in media right now, but we feed them the food they eat to survive. >White ethnostates: *exist*>Majority of people break their back for 15 hours a day and risk their lives in wars against other White ethnostatesEmpire building is an entirely different affair. Colonization is necessary, and leads to race mixing. And even if you literally obliterate all non-Whites and bleach their children after 10 or 20 generations, given enough time, the Whites near the equator will differentiate in terms of their physiognomy, and cultures will be different, based on the different ecosystems, local dialects will develop, and turn into different languages. And after enough time has passed, all the Whites in all the different places of the world will be different enough that they will start fighting with each other again. So I'm afraid the White ethnostate utopia that is shilled by the Loomy nutty here doesn't even make sense on paper.
>>522540570>>522551117>>522550696On that note, I'm going to bed. This thread was the best I've seen in a while and I'm glad I could partake in it. Wish you all the best
>>522540570>wall of text>left can't memeaside from that, the problem was that they were cynics producing non-stop slopyes, they could have finished (polished) their works and also their ideas, but they didn'tthe average nazi art works which you describe>the hackneyed (and crappily done) paintings with themes of the Knight, the Dragon, and the Damsel in Distresswhich were at least properly finished, nurtured their creator and audience more than some shit smeared on the canvas... so the opposite of what you are saying>prevent you from expanding your minds, and seeing what new avenues can be discovered withing Artthat was what the shit-smearers were doing, after they got bored of innovation (French/Russian stage of cubism, early Expressionism etc.) and became degenerates>ensnare your minds in the Dark Agesis that a bad thing? the so-called Dark Ages were the glory days of mankindyou are not a clown, because clowns actually have skill... you are a stinking non-white repulsive roastie, and so are all your "friends"
>>522548022>>522547137>>522546406>>522545720>>522542956>>522543488>>522549137>uhh, let me just redefine some words, sweaty>wall of text>left can't memeyawnI hope these are ChatGPT, or you're just having meth psychosis, otherwise next stop is either suicide or the hospital
>>522551372I'll let you have the last word, memeflag, because I need to floss my teeth. You should do the same. It's been a few years for you, hasn't it.
>>522551372Makes me think of hippies doing stupid interpretive dance. I was watching that Spaceship Earth documentary about Biosphere 2. They were bankrolled by this hippie that fell for one dudes hippie shit, and when it all collapsed Steve Banon of all people stepped in and ran them off the property.
>>522551548it's what happens when you get lost in words and their meaning and you become synonymous with your thinking; jews are very exposed to that, as they were probably the original culture that revolved around textyet if you google jewish art, it's all shit, and reminded me of the image the schizo posted here >>522550461really makes you THINK lol
>>522551372>>522551168
>>522551659>>522551168>fellow white people, I'll tell you what we must doyawnit's obvious that you lost your cushy job brainwashing people under 100 IQ whom you made to feel smart with loong texts and five dollar words... and now you're growling for validation, like a dog without a master
>>522551719ok mossad
>>522551719Tell your people to stop circumcising your children and drinking their blood, then we'll talk.
>>522551726>no ugrovel on some other websiteyou're done here
>>522549742my dad's stroke of brilliance was to snatch them away mostly 1/2 to 3/4 done, thus faux "unfinished and enigmatic masterpiece".
>>522540570In "Teorema," Pasolini hints at one of the reasons behind some of these artists, such as Pollock. This is not the case with Picasso, however.btw Abstract art: made by an incompetent, sold by an unscrupulous person, bought by an imbecile.
>>522551859>>522550461
>>522540570>After Altamiera everything else is decadence>t. Picasso
>>522551806your dad is basedyou can't imagine the amount of artwork (not art-art but design stuff) I've seen that looked great as half-finished but turned out resembling some cheap chinese-painted kitsch in the end
>>522551859>Abstract art: made by an incompetentdepends, it would take you a lot of time to make something as good as pollock didyou have to have a good sensory apparatus in order to verify your own work>bought by an imbecile.you are viewing art as something high and mighty but in reality it's just what people put on their walls because they like to look at it from time to timeno need to get all schizo about it, or you'll end up like OP
>>522552286I have AIDS
>>522549418>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Beltracchicheck this out toohttps://news.artnet.com/art-world/are-these-lost-malevich-masterpieces-or-190-million-fakes-2680753schizos always complain about money laundering without knowing what that means... meanwhile Jewish dentists are "finding" works worth tens of millions under the mattress of their wife's grandma
>>522552188>Werner Herzog voice intensifies
>>522552704I've actually considered dabbling in art forgeries. It's not painting, it's very niche.
>>522552937yeah more like restoration
>>522552937What a waste of life
>>522552937I'll take working at MacDonalds over that
>>522553142>>522553166I've never done it but I'm confident there are some antiques that I could replicate and pass off. It's not so much money that I'm pretty sure I could do it.
>>522553207Deceiving people is denegerent.
>>522540570you can expand your mind and also think it's the jews. also it's asking a lot for people to simultaneously use this centerpiece as a rallying cry to get rid of said thing from society, and yet leave the glaring reminder of that thing there. Yes they can use the giant dildo as a rallying cry to stop dildo production, but it still requires people address the one in the town center first if we all agree it offends sensibilities and everyone will see it including those that shouldn't
> Could it be could it be could it beNo. I'm sorry but the answer to your questions is no.
>>522540570> wall of texttl;dr your ramblings but on the subject matter, everything is jeet sweat-shop-quality and shite and fake and gay now, so based on that logic, modern art is obviously becoming shit-tier tooAnd it's quite pathetic you feel the need to compare it to muh nazi art, retard, nobody here ever says nazi art was categorically good, so fuck off back to you-know-where
>>522553697homo
>>522540570It’s become a way to launder money and anyone who doesn’t know that is a retard
>>522553768>I just bought this painting for $50 million lol!>Ok where'd you get the 50 millDebunked
I think new stuff is great, but also at some point, it has to invoke interest or be genuinely amusing. "OMG YOUR A RETARD WHOI DOPESN"T UNDERSTAND HARDCORE SEX VIOLENCE MURDE KILL ART" is a copout used by people who have small imaginations and the art to match, but unfortunately, too many people out there have a small brain.
>>522552485mazel tov!
>>522540570I don't know. You could try ripping then throwing you balls into a meat grinder.
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>>522540570Or perhaps the Emperor is in fact naked and modern artists are just pretentious faggots that love the smell of their own farts. Listening to them ascribing some deep meaning and intention to their "art" is like the McDonalds clerk explaining how the BigMac is actually haute cuisine.
>>522540570Don't be a pseud? You're the one assuming that a person's tastes and opinions to an image label them as inferior to yourself.
>>522546700>>522548767both picasso and dali were immensely talented.but both become more greedy artists as they aged. especially picasso.make no mistake he did not like most of the shit he was painting. but whatever he scribbled like a doodle in 5 minutes were valued and sold for a fortune so he just turned into a doodle machine.picrel is what picasso painted when he was fucking 15 man. the talent was there, there is no question about it.
>>522543130She looks like she fucks human men.
>>522541196>playing dress up and dancing around like a faggot is culturethe kikes have poisoned your mind
>>522540570No, but this isn’t true art because true art is an expression of the soul and will.This form here is a sign of disharmony in the soul. So while it may represent the soul, it represents a soul of disorder and thus ugliness is expressed, confusion, but these are truly rare people and it sees like it’s being disruptive for its own sake, therefore it has a Supra-rational imposition over the artistic impulse.It is trying to be something rather than flowing.Ergo it’s not art, not based on the evidence.
>>522540570This is true, but to attract the attention of the masses as a leader, your message must be both loud and accessible, resonating with the baseline collective intelligence. It just turns out that American collective intelligence is somewhere around uneducated nigger level and this is soul crushing.
>>522540570An artist isn't necessarily good or talented. The green buttplug is not a show of skill. If you want to critique modern society, do it. These are just charlatans taking advantage of bad tastes and evil people without stopping to acknowledge why any of it is happening. Pretending it's some kind of meritocracy is retarded.
>>522540570is this picture an abstract jew?>the rubbing hands>the nose>the hat on top>the slight slouch
you'll realize why once you do it yourself. a lot of these, picasso especially, conquered realism early on, which makes them want to do more stylistic stuff with that knowledge or even absurdist and surreal. the thing is, they went the mile before. a lot of surrealists don't put the effort in to learn every aspect of art there is. they are not artists, they are gamblers, gambling on success or fame. to change the game you have to play the game
