Based trump supporter black man says this is bad!!! https://x.com/MajToure999/status/1994167852727730319
Fuck niggers
Nice.
>>522541673Why does make the shills seethe so much?
>>522541673He believes in a space jew. Of course he's a statist
>>522541673I 100% agree with him and if you don't you are NOT a nationalist and you are NOT based. Statism is the way forward.
Why don't lolbergs just lead with how they want to fuck children and abolish roads? That's less off-putting than the "individualist" talmudry.
>>522544310They like freedom you aussie faggotGo jump in a kangaroos pouch or something
>>522541673OP is literally braindead.
>>522541673Can someone give me a fair summary of what this guy actually believes? Other than pointing out the malignant impact of organized Jewery and anti non white immigration (both good stances) there seems to be no consistency.
>>522548086.Nothing said about being Christian. I don't believe him. You are the jew.
>>522548460He's just Pat Buchanan, you know.
>>522548338You golems don't have and have never had freedom.
>>522541673This unironically true for once. Any lolbert nonsense only makes sense if you are in a highly competent white ethnostate
>>522541673They don't realize we had this argument ten years ago and they lost. I think this particular nigger was in prison lmao
>>522548532>You are the jewOMG NO PLEASE TAKE IT BACK. Low iq faggot
That's a very slippery slope
>>522541673Why does he sound like some 90iq spic trying to regurgitate some half remembered info-graphic summary of a book he never read?Evola talks about the concept of the individual vs the concept of the person. McLuhan talks about the concept of the individual as a product of Gutenberg technology.On a side note I think there is a great deal of overlap between someone like Evola and McLuhan in certain areas when describing the world pre-electric age but post-tradition but I have not done enough thinking on the topic to really say anything of value.anyways my point is he has nothing insightful to say why do people listen to him
>>522541673Yall it's only natural that a nigger wants to live in stateless anarchy. If we looks at his continent of origin it becomes clear that for the nigger that is a natural state which he would never leave unless forced to stop selling his fellows and practicing cannibalism at gunpoint.
>>522541673He's right. Multiculturalism necessarily undermines social trust and cohesion, which requires more authoritarian measures to address. You can have a high trust society that enables more individualism and liberty, or you can have multiculturalism. You can't have both.
lets listen some more>authority comes from the gunand this guy is a catholic?A catholic should say authority comes from God and that force or power =! authority or right to ruleagain this guy is muddled in this thinkingi would be too if i tried to talk off the cuff instead of writing and rewriting but i am not a host of a show trying to influence so many people.
>even a bad order is better than disorderso why are you complaining about the current regime? the current regime despite all its issues does impose a type of orderits actually amazing the amount of order we have given how many parts from around the world are being forced togetherhe should be praising the current regime if all he cares about is order. you can still get fast food and watch your goy vision, what an amazing world we live in
NF is a statist, this is the problem with all "neo-nazis" "white supremacists" whatever they call themselvesthey do not believe in the American constitutional republic (and for their illiterate mentally defective fantasy hyperborea to come true, it's required that it be overthrown <--that would never happen anyway but shows what fucking industrial grade Brainlets they are)Maj Toure is based. And correc
>>522548675>in prisonHe was and is a greater defendant of the 2nd Amendment than (You) NF or any other 40-IQ /pol/ user
>>522548460>>522548564NF is a Midwit. He's videogamelarpstreamer.That means he doesn't know anything. Admits openly (see the recent TC interview) that he came from normie Republican politics, that's how he "evolved"He's a fucking Brainlet that (supposedly) has billions of online followers primarily men under age 30. Which says a lot about both NF and zoomlets
>>522549205America is a degenerate, culturaless, muttified shithole. Im loyal to my people and bloodline, not some flag that represents some disgusting failed frakenstein experiment. Im tired of the Left having a monopoly on hating the US, the Right has 100x more reason to hate this disgusting abomination of a country far more than the Left does. This country is where culture, race and high intellect go to die.
>>522549205Go back and read what the founders wrote. They explicitly said the system they created would not work under current conditions. Such a system only works if the population of the country is largely homogeneous, both in terms of culture, language, etc, but also in terms of the values and ideals inculcated in them from birth. They also have to love their country and want it to succeed. When (by some estimates) 10% or more of the population isn't even here legally and another 20-30% hates the country, and then on top of that a significant portion do not share in the country's culture, you can't have a system of government by the people. It will never work.
>>522549335>America is a degenerate, culturaless[sic], muttified shitholeWhat will (You) do about that.>'i-i hate my own country abomination reeeee-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHsee picrel
>>522548600Do I need to share the genesis cognitohazard again? You fucking mindcontrolled golem. Your religion is just lies told to children to protect their sanity from the evil of their parents. Your people ate bird shit in the desert.
>>522549423>'hate muh country'See post below (You)rs. Do something <----*as the glowniggers say(You) are an irrelvant 40-IQ *PIECE OF FILTH*.
>>522541673Did people think he was Libertarian or something all this time? The idea that we're going back to a small government is a fantasy at this point
>>522549484I didn't say I hate my country. I said many of the people living here hate it.You can't even read, so you have no business calling other people stupid.
>>522548460He literally showed up to alt-right discussion by denouncing the concept of the white ethnostate on the basis that proponents of a white ethnostate did not need to be conservative with it as all that mattered was the white ethnostate and that all disagreements over the politics of the white ethnostate could be resolved later. From the start he is just being a subversive dickhead disagreeing for no reason.
>>522549495>going back to a small governmentIt's not a "muh libertarrrrrrriaAAAAAAAN" v. __________ ideological circle jerk.This is where (all the zoomelets that follow NF and most people online discussing 'politics') you get it totally wrong.If ? you reside in the United States of America and have U.S. citizenship,nobody gives a *fuck* what you think about politics or 'how things ought to be'It is a *constitutional republic*.Correct, the founders never intended to have a centralized ruling national government.Powers and authority of governance, were to be distributed among the states.Stop thinking in 'muh ideology' terms.Look at what the system definitionally _is_(or, be part of the globalists that are demolishing it brick by brick)
>>522549550>'y-you can't read'Do you love this country?it's a yes or no answer>many of the peopleThey can leave. rfn
>>522548564Poor Pat Buchanan was genuinely just an isolationist who frowned on colonizing Palestine. He doesn't deserve to have this nose-picker labeled as his successor. >>522548460He founded the America First Political Action Committee. I have no clue if they have actual political agendas there and stances on more nuanced issues, but that would be the place to look.I'm sure Fuentes has given plenty of random talking points of various issues over the years, but any search engine is too polluted to really investigate. It's not like he's a normie candidate is on OnTheIssues for his tax policy.Mostly it's just the usual far right drivel. Don't get me wrong, I think democracy is a failure too; I just think Fuentes is a good example of why.
>>522549664>isolationistNon-interventionist.>'genuinely'Back to plebbit with your 'unironically' buttbuddies, Brainlet.
Nick is unironically finally becoming based."individualism", "democracy", "human rights", and "liberty" has only given us>gay pride parades>ssri's>atheism>trannies>pornography>feminism>mass migration>white guilt>fentanyl addicts>jewish control of our governments.
Fuentes himself should get out. And/or be deported
>>522549662I love this country and I'd love if all the people who hate it would leave, but they're not going to because they want to destroy this country.You should try not being retarded sometime, it would be a new experience for you.
>>522549495I don't know what normalfags think but if Nick is going to talk about things like order or the individual he actually needs to talk about these terms and what they mean.You can't just say I don't believe in the individual and the most important function of the state is order without going into a great amount of detail. The idiots that watch his stream have not read any primary sources, i doubt he has either, and just project what they think he means. This makes for good viewership numbers but little else. If he cared about the people who watched him beyond being a source of revenue he would not do them such a disservice.
>>522541673CALM DOWN GOYSWE NEED A STATEAREN'T YOU FEELING SLEEPY? I'M FEELING SLEEPY.LET'S TAKE A NAP GOY- Nick 'Gay Spic' Fuentes
>>522548460>Can someone give me a fair summary of what this guy actually believes?Whatever his jewish handlers tell him to peddle this week.
>>522549737advocates for Authoritarian State (to be implemented in America) do not love this country>would leaveIs James Comey going to leave?how about John BrennanJames ClapperHillary Clinton?Mark Kellythese ^people (globalists, with millions of normies in tow) hate America the identical same way Fuentes does: They want the system fundamentally alteredRemove them.
>>522548338There's nothing your faggot ass would do differently if the state were abolished, except maybe get killed by niggers more quickly.
>>522549976Read what I wrote here >>522548838We can have the system we have now if we have a homogeneous, high trust society, but we don't have that right now. If we continue with the system we currently have, the people you're complaining about will continue to have power, and the rest of us will not be able to do anything meaningful to stop them. They have massive backing both financially and structurally, and no grassroots movement will overpower them democratically.In other words, you can have the country you want, but if you let things continue as they are you will lose it forever.
>>522541673Leaving aside his race, guys a bit of an idiot ain't he. We've seen what happens with radical individualism. It brings us to this point none of us like the world as they currently is allowing people to make their own choices completely without any consideration of the good of society leads to the world we have now. Sure you could reproduce and benefit the body politic and your race. But no do what's good for you. That means killing it, and going out to jump on the cock carousel? Then go ahead live your best life.Radical individualism with no concern for the good of society causes this world that we have now. It is fair to say that it has failed, so we must go a different way. If that means collectivism, so be it
>>522550255>"people you're complaining about"__I'm__ not 'complaining' (You) are: Read your own words—>muh no meaningful opposition>w-we don't have that>y-you will lose it forever****(You)**** are the whining complainer not meI'm not at all concerned about the form of government of my country which I strongly believe in and advocate for (as does OP picrel Maj Toure)anklebiters like (You) and NF are the clueless ones, milling about in 'muh ideology' , 'w-which way from here' culture wars et cetera
>>522550269>memeflag 'm-muh rayyyce'
Here is the other "muh ideology, hurr durr" distraction baitthread (a copypasta perennnial) of the evening : >>522537645
He's right.
>>522541673i agree with all of that though. the reason /pol/ shifted so heavily from libertarian to national socialism is because of this realization. we CAN NOT have the libertarian government until we have an all white civilization again. libertarianism will never achieve that. it comes further down the road after other goals are achieved first
>>522541673If the past century or so has proven anything, it is that liberalism is dead.
>>522548460
>>522548460>Can someone give me a fair summary of what this guy actually believes?depends where we're at in the cycle right now
>>522550537The one swamped in ideology between the two of us is you.I'm not a fan of Nick Fuentes, but you make him look like Plato.
>>522548409>'literally'>>522548610>'unironically'
>>522551074>6 pbtid muh ideology(You) have Zero idea of what you're posting about. Don't even know what 'ideology' is or means.Read and comprehend my posts upthread (or, do not idgaf)and see the picrel immediately below (You)rs, zoomlette
>>522548460He used to reiterate his beliefs every so often in his earlier shows.>wants a White majority country>wants racial laws to preserve the White majorityBy White majority he said 95% White or higher>jews and other non-Whites are banned from political office>America should be an empire using its power to preserve the White race globally>America should dominate the world>people in general should be Christian if not Catholic>America’s future must reconnect with its Roman and Nordic roots as a pan-European empire>>522549205>NOOO MUH HECKIN FREEDOMSif our freedom comes at the cost of our existence as a distinct people then chain me up to the monument of our race.“Freedom” as understood by the modern atomized liberal is not even freedom at all but stands on the shoulders of a security state suppressing the dominant group that the inferior groups are “free” to abuse the superior group.
>>522541673fuck niggers
>>522551194>muh freedomNot what I posted at all. It's (OP topic) about the advocacy of a centralized Authoritarian State which is antithesis opposite of what America was founded on.>'muh rayyyyyyce'Sucker : >>522550584(You) fell for the globalist investment bank ploygo ahead: *Overthrow* you stupid 40-IQ brainlet Dumb Fuck
>>522541673all of those things are based and true. the problem isn't statism, it's social progressivism, namely jews writing the laws so that niggers can get away with murder literally. a nationalist right wing authoritarian state > your gay libertarian fantasy.
>>522544310>>522541673I can smell the brown on these posts. Look at the grammar, sit there and tell me you can't smell it. It's fucking atrocious!
>>522548460just watch a few of his shows, there are too many shills and brainlets on /pol/ to give you "a fair summary" about him. nick is one of the most lied about people on the internet.
>>522549629The founders DID intend to have a centralized government, they didn’t know how to make it work and settled on a Constitutional Democratic Republic to try and imitate what worked about Greece and Rome who were themselves a patchwork of independent mini-states loosely related by ethnicity and culture.It is an anomaly the kingdom of England formed out of what should have been a bunch of Saxon and Welsh statelets. The Americans could not recapitulate this event in English history and so went for the Delian/Peloponnesian/Latin League system.Our history isn’t democracy or republicanism, these are stepping stones.Maybe the ideal race ISNT free. Did you ever consider that?Maybe freedom isn’t the end stage of mankind?>at least he died freeThis is cute to put on a grave stone until you see it lined up in the millions with age of death: 19Freedom isn’t worth dying over. We are slaves to vice, slaves to love, slaves to fate and hunger, to the body, and the state of mind.If we are to be yoked let the yoke be of our own fashioning and adjusted to what we can bear.Otherwise our freedom itself will become many yokes of vice of which we have no control over.
Here's another example (straight from NF's own mouth):look at the segment in his recent TC interview. Or for that matter the 7/11/2025 interview with Candace which (contrary to the groyplets comment-brigade on the rumble upload) was highly fair-&-balance, allowed NF to speak his piece and tell his own story, journey at length.In the TC interview, Carlson asked him "how did the Trump dinner meeting go?" Expanding on >>522549330 ('came from normie Republican politics') he says that sitting at the table with Trump and Ye, NF lauded Trump personally and said that 'you inspired us to get into politics, that something could be done' and also gently critiqued Trump for 'letting off of the gas pedal' on attacking the enemies of the administration, that what he 'voted for' was the Beast Mode: he wants a strongman. That's what NF desires and intends to achieve in politics, a strongman leader that blowtorches the opposition. This is the NF mentality and 'political philosophy' <---he's a brainlet with a big mouth (by his own admission)
>>522541673These people are braindead. How are you planning to defeat jewish power with individualism?
You don’t have to believe in the State. But it isn’t going anywhere and has been a bedrock component of civilization since the beginning of recorded history at the very least.
>>522541673It's not that the state is good. It's that states are necessary. Or at least, have become necessary.I don't entirely agree with Fuentes' framing, but I agree with his conclusion. Fuentes is making the same argument as the founders of this country."If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - Alexander Hamilton"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district — all studied and appreciated as they merit — are the principal support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty. Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin FranklinOnly "good" people can be free."Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke
>>522548564>He's just Pat Buchanan, you know.Everyone who isn't retarded is Pat Buchanan.
>>522552455>conclusion>same argument as the foundersCorrect,but that was only one (one separate strand) of the 'arguments' that founded the country.There were other parallel and more significant ones. Together they all make up the political philosophy that underpins the American republic and its institutions along with founding documents such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights
>>522549664>Poor Pat Buchanan was genuinely just an isolationist who frowned on colonizing Palestine. He doesn't deserve to have this nose-picker labeled as his successor.No he wasn't. Pat Buchanan was essentially a Christian crusader who spent his entire life trying to save Christendom from kikes. He spent 90% of his time bitching about the fall of Europe and dissecting how it all went wrong.
>>522552629>that was only one (one separate strand) of the 'arguments' that founded the country.The founding fathers generally-speaking fell on two extremes. Thomas Jefferson on one side and Alexander Hamilton on the other. Everyone else was somewhere in the middle. But they all believed the exact same thing as it relates to virtue and liberty. The primary difference between them was their opinion of human-nature.Thomas Jefferson had a more positive opinion of human-nature. Alexander Hamilton had an extremely negative view of human-nature. John Adams was closer to Alexander Hamilton. Benjamin Franklin was closer to Thomas Jefferson. John Jay was a centrist conservative. More of an Edmund Burke character.In any case, this is why Thomas Jefferson spent so much time trying to make people "good". He believed the root of immorality came from dependence. And that if we could only become independent(see Yeoman Farmer), then people would have no reason to behave poorly(since they would have everything they need). It's also why he hated cities, and banks, and corporations.Alexander Hamilton was a banker who lived in New York where corruption and criminality was rife and didn't believe "independence" as Thomas Jefferson viewed it was practical because it invited weakness. An industrial country would have to become like Europe. And as Jefferson wrote, "When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r161cLYzuDIThe reason I mention all of this is the point out that ultimately, Thomas Jefferson lost and Alexander Hamilton "won". Thomas Jefferson even hated the rewriting of his Declaration of Independence. Believing the committee had butchered it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notJuFGXQ9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcWaCsvpikQThomas Jefferson would hate literally everything about modern America. Although he took a much more Machiavellian/Hobbesian position later in life.
>>522553326>the Jefferson-Hamilton dichotomyYes and these points are well taken (and have been observed/discussed/debated/analyzed in depth by many others for two centuries).There's a lot more to the founding principles and political philosophy from what we now know as America emerged (in addition to a bunch of other historical events and paths since the early 1800s timeframe), which could fill dozens of thread topics for a year on 4chan>'literally'Sorry but it degraded (You)r upload Namefag. Good try otherwise
>>522541673>spic begs to be whiteChecks out.
>>522541673whoa he used triple laughing emoji. got him good!
>>522552629>>522553326This industrial/city problem was also understood by Hitler. Blood and Soil is fundamentally the Romanticization of the farmer. The farmer was considered virtuous and tied to the land. The ideal citizen and a natural patriot. Whereas cities were filled with rootless cosmopolitans who weren't tied to anything. The realm of Jews.In large part, the aim of Hitler was to keep the benefits of industry without its evils.
The state says ritual baby penis mutilation must be legal and socially accepted to keep the kikes happy and the ship stable so the mutilations must continue. What are you a filthy individualist?
>>522549495The black guy is fake libertarian and also a sex offender. I’m really surprised the sex offender stuff didn’t end him. Pretty sure he has some violent crimes (non sexual) on his rap sheet as well.
>>522541673You can always tell someone is mentally insane when they use words like “collectivist” casually as if they not only expect you to know or care what that means, but they also expect you to have a specific reaction to that word.
>>522553514All I mean to say is, if you listen to Fuentes talk, he's saying that "order" is collapsing because "the state" has lost legitimacy.In short, he's saying that the legitimacy of the state needs to be restored or things are going to get really, really bad.From an anarchist/libertarian position, the delegitimization of the state is a good thing because it might lead to its abolition.I would agree with that position if it were possible. The problem is, it's not. Which is why I said I don't agree with Fuentes' framing but I agree with his conclusion.With that said. I remember when I first started getting into politics back in 2008'ish. One of the first videos I remember watching was about types of government. It had five categories. Monarchy, Oligarchy, Republic, Democracy, and Anarchy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZPZOpFLHVEI don't necessarily agree with the video, but I do agree with its conclusion about anarchy. Regardless of how well-meaning some anarchists are, or even how right some of their arguments are. Anarchy's only role in the real world is subversion. It merely opens the door for conquest.Which begs the question, why has the state become illegitimate and what can be done to restore it?
>>522541673Wrong. >Lesbensraum failed >manifest destiny succeeded The white race expands under freedom and contracts under tyranny, this is why the Jesuits push tyrannical ideas within the far right because they know that we will beat this system if we simply have less restrictions in our ability to do so. The job of the Jesuits is to ALWAYS control the antisemitic 80-100 year cycle and then hand power back to the Jews when the cycle is over. That is the purpose of the Jesuits and why it exists: To temporarily control antisemitism when it arises and then hand power back to the Jews
>>522554284>he's saying that "order" is collapsing because "the state" has lost legitimacy.he also said that the legitimacy of the state comes from the barrel of a gun and the state has shown that it can deploy force easily when it wants too. the current state is in no danger of not being able to use force to ensure it can rulehe does not have a coherent opinion. he is like a mirror for his audience that project what they want to see
>>522554379Lebensraum***
>>522554384>he also said that the legitimacy of the state comes from the barrel of a gunNo he didn't. He said we need order, and that order requires authority, and that authority is force.Then he added that authority also requires legitimacy, and to have legitimacy, the people have to believe in the authority of the state. But if liberty undermines the legitimacy of the state, then it leads to disorder and the breakdown of authority.
>>522554379You're retarded.
>>522554600>were does authority precede from>gunsthat is what he said, faggotand then he said, and legitimacybut that comes after violence and the threat of force
>>522554600Here's where the trust in the infalialiable "authority" of the state over the bodies of it's citizens led your country.
>>522554384(as posted upthread) NF is a Midwit by his own admission. He came from normie Republican politics <--spent five minutes explaining this to TC, and didn't go to college. He blabs into a laptopcam just like any other videogamegamblerstreamer and just like them has millions of zoomlet followers. Zero intellectual underpinning or base for any word out of his mouth (let alone that he's speaking on matters of politics and culture)Grab bag just like most of what is on the post-2008 internet, designed and contoured for below-80-IQ consumption>'yea yea McLuhan hit the nail on the head, so did Hitler, check out Ye'brainlet thriftstore might-as-well-be-AI-generated subslop
>>522554281>'I-I'm a brainlet, /pol/'
>>522554865>that is what he saidAuthority precedes guns, and legitimacy precedes authority. Retard.What he is actually complaining about is state legitimacy. My guess is that he explains why "liberty"(see open-borders/degeneracy/etc) is undermining state legitimacy elsewhere but it wasn't clipped.
>>522555026>Authority precedes guns, and legitimacy precedes authority. Retard.that is not what he said>What he is actually complaining about is state legitimacy. >what he is actuallyand there you go trying to read into what he said and trying to make it mean more than what it is.he is not well read enough to have the discussion he is trying to have
>>522554688Systems of freedom and capitalism lead to us conquering anglosphere (even England was developed by Roman investment and Republican ideals with democratic systems in place). Anglosphere, the most powerful entity to ever exist is fully based and developed on freedom. Even in the Middle Ages, England was less restrictive than most places and had a culture within the people of supporting liberty and rebelling when things got too restrictive
>>522554892I don't even like this country, and I hate Jews. I'm not here to defend America. I'm only here to explain how the real world works to retarded lolberts.>>522555074>that is not what he saidHere is what he said..."The problem with Libertarianism is that liberty is not the highest political virtue. The highest political virtue is order. That is the greatest ordering principle. That is the greatest governing principle. Order. Order comes first. Liberty comes second. And order has to be maintained by a powerful state. Order has to be maintained by authority. And where does authority precede from? Force. Guns. Overwhelming force. Power that comes out of the end of a rifle. And legitimacy. The people have to believe in the authority of the state. And if these things are being undermined by freedom, by liberty, then you don't get liberty."Yes, authority is maintained by force. No one doubts that. But it requires legitimacy. Which is what Fuentes is actually bitching about.
>>522555194>Systems of freedom and capitalism lead to us conquering anglosphereNo it did not, retard. The Western Hemisphere was not conquered by freedom. North America was not conquered by freedom. Manifest Destiny was not freedom. What conquered everything was guns and money.The actual reason America conquered this continent was because there was no one to stop us. And most of this was done when half of America still had slavery. The idea that freedom had anything to do with anything is fucking retarded. Literally kys.
>>522541673Nick is a little weird gay closeted homosexual and a flaming faggot
>>522555271What he said is nonsensical gibberish.As a catholic he should believe that authority comes from God. The right to rule comes from the divine and the ruler has a duty to god to care for those under him.For a liberal the right to rule, the authority to rule, comes from the consent of the governmentFurthermore liberty is not an ordering principle, it may be a political virtue for libertarians but is a political virtue and ordering principle the same thing?and that is where i am going to stop because its nonsense not worth trying to comprehend.
>>522541673He's only repeating what the ancient greeks already figured out. They said that democracy can only function in a homogeneous society.Otherwise an authoritarian state is needed to maintain control over multiple ethnicity under a single authority.
>>522548460A neo-nazi basically. He tries to fancy himself as different, but he isn't
>>522555507>As a catholic he should believe that authority comes from God.No, he should believe legitimacy comes from god. And with legitimacy comes authority. And with authority comes order(see Divine Right of Kings/Romans 13).As for the rest of what you said, you're missing the fucking point. Which is that regardless of all the talk about liberty, government is the antithesis of liberty. You cannot be governed and be free. "Liberty" is at best a political weapon used to seize power via subversion. The idea that a bunch of slave-owners fought for your freedom is patently absurd.Please read pic-related.
>>522555815>No, he should believe legitimacy comes from god. And with legitimacy comes authority.thanks for proving my pointhe can't speak clearly and order his thoughts, neither can i but i don't go on a huge show and tell people what to think. i just argue online with idiots.
>>522555507As for "the consent of the governed". This has never been true, and never will be true. The only reason "democracy" works is because it gives the appearance of legitimacy to the state(and thus justifies its acts, and makes it impossible to resist). The fundamental problem though is that states have "national interests" which they must pursue, regardless of public-opinion. Thus freedom only exists to the extent that public-opinion can be manufactured either by the state or its apparatuses(media). The moment public-opinion opposes the national interests, the people will cease to be free.The reason America can larp as a free country is purely because it lives in total security in the western hemisphere. The state is constantly going against the people, and we do nothing. Why? Because the only time states are overthrown is with foreign support. But America's Navy dominates the seas, and our media dominates everything else.
>>522541673And don't forget, Nick is too scared to talk about Bozrah...https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/
>>522541673Things will never change until the intelligence agencies, underground military-industrial-complex lairs and defense contractor facilities are stormed and the glowniggers and parasites who work there are executed and the data they collect is leaked to the public so that the rest of these government assets, zogbots, mercenaries, glorified jannies and authority figures can be hunted down and exterminated.
>>522556128anon I don't disagree with what you are saying but that is besides the point. My issue is not with you or your analysisMy issue is with Nick and his failings as a thought leader. He has nothing to offer. He makes no insightful analysis and he can not communicate clearly.Furthermore my inability to embody these things does not mean I can't recognize their deficit in others.Nick has a great deal of rhetoric at his disposal but little logic and that makes him a dangerous person to his followers who have even less logic at their disposal.He is a compromised figure and whoever follows him will do so to their detriment.
>>522555965My overarching point is this, the world is ruled by power. States are power. Without them you will be powerless.As Bakunin said, "States must devour lest it be devoured, conquer lest it be conquered, enslave lest it be enslaved."You can read John Mearsheimer to get the same basic argument(The Tragedy of Great Power Politics).In any case, I believe the American government is illegitimate. Not because of any political principle(even if I use it in my arguments). No, the real reason I think the American government is illegitimate is because I hate it. Just like everyone else.I was listening to Scott Horton the other day. He was being interviewed by some libertarian types. There was a part of the video that stood out to me because it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. I think you would enjoy it.https://youtu.be/ZAqQRfvcW9g?t=5903
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>>522556737>Scott Hortonfor reference is a gatekeeping defender of the official 9/11 narrative in New York City, openly ridicules that the skyscrapers imploded. Also claims that bin Laden/associates were "engineers" (<---totally false) that "knew what they were doing" to strike NYCHorton is good on the 20th century MidEast history analysis, globalist wars and some libertarian topics but not to be trusted on the topic of 9/11
>>522541673>NICK FUENTES SAYSstopped reading there
>>522556737>As Bakunin said, "States must devour lest it be devoured, conquer lest it be conquered, enslave lest it be enslaved."yes power centralizes. at the beginning of a system(after the collapse of a previous system) you will have multiple and weak competing systems of power.eventually you get to a point that the only competing systems left are things like the family or the church. they too are attacked and devoured.the ideal for the state would be nothing but itself and atomized individuals, the only relationship being one between one individual or another and the state. in such a system the state would have all the power and any single individual none>In any case, I believe the American government is illegitimate. Not because of any political principle(even if I use it in my arguments). No, the real reason I think the American government is illegitimate is because I hate it. Just like everyone else.yes, any given elite will have a formula and that the formula must have some level of acceptance by those who are being ruled.As an example those that lived under a King who ruled by divine right believed in such a system. When the people no longer believed a counter elite developed and deployed a new system.>You can read John Mearsheimer to get the same basic argumentHe is on my list, most of my readings in the area of geopolitics have been under Kissinger but Kissinger has been on the back burner because I am reading more McLuhan at the moment along with a bit of fiction, The Club Dumas
>>522556871Basado.>>522556930YOU MISSED, TRANNY
>>522557047>yes power centralizes. at the beginning of a system(after the collapse of a previous system) you will have multiple and weak competing systems of power.Systems collapse when the Barbarians come together to defeat an empire. But are themselves too divided and/or illegitimate to create a new one.>the ideal for the state would be nothing but itself and atomized individuals, the only relationship being one between one individual or another and the state. in such a system the state would have all the power and any single individual noneCorrect. State power is in large part derived from dependency. This was discussed by G. Edward Griffin in "More deadly than war". You'll actually like this video if you haven't already seen it and have time to listen to it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4vTHwvioZ4>yes, any given elite will have a formula and that the formula must have some level of acceptance by those who are being ruled. As an example those that lived under a King who ruled by divine right believed in such a system. When the people no longer believed a counter elite developed and deployed a new system.This reminds me of Hans-Hermann Hoppe's "From Aristocracy to Monarchy to Democracy".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyIzrllDV4EIn any case, the point I was making, and I think Fuentes is trying to make as well. A government which everyone despises will cease to have legitimacy. Democracy or not. I think what Fuentes is hinting at is the need to make the government more legitimate. And not in that, give it more authority kind of way. But make it a government people actually like. Because as we're going, at some point things are going to break. And that won't actually be good for any of us.
>>522557047>>522557360Basically, he wants a social and political revolution without Civil War and millions of deaths.Although I'm not really sure if that's possible at this point.
>>522557360>Systems collapse when the Barbarians come together to defeat an empire. But are themselves too divided and/or illegitimate to create a new one.Once you get to the point of empire, once you reach a certain size and technological complexity I think that external threats become a non issue for the most part. The Barbarians do come together and work to defeat the empire but that is more like vultures come to feast on a corpse. They are not the direct cause of death.> I think Fuentes is trying to make as well.maybe but if he is and he is genuine he needs to learn to formulate this thoughts into words and speak in a way that is clear and that his audience understands. His audience is young and they are not well read and if you want to introduce them to these concepts it needs to be a proper introduction.Otherwise you get people who think they kind of understand and then go to thanksgiving dinner and start spouting half remembered stuff that Nick says and that never ends well.This does not even take into account issues like Jan 6 and him being a possible asset of the current regime.>Because as we're going, at some point things are going to break. And that won't actually be good for any of us.agreed but neither is false hope. people need a cold shower not a pep talk
>>522541673>"Individualism only makes sense in a white, Christian, patriarchal society."100% correct
>>522557715>The Barbarians do come together and work to defeat the empire but that is more like vultures come to feast on a corpse. They are not the direct cause of death.I somewhat agree that empires are weakened from within by poor management. But they MUST be brought down from the outside. The American Empire is definitely struggling under bad management, but it's only the rise of China, BRICS, Russia, Iran, and their alliances that can destroy it.>he needs to learn to formulate this thoughts into words and speak in a way that is clear and that his audience understands.I'd have to listen to the full video to know for sure what he said and meant. I have a tendency to give Fuentes a pass because he mostly thinks like me.
>>522548460>Catholicism>White identity>American nationalism (America First)
>>522553688Why would an individualist lolbert society restrict dick cutting? It's dey culture.
>>522555800He isn't a national socialist. This place has actual national socialists so calling someone a neo-nazi isn't an insult, rather it is something someone needs to earn.
