When a bolshevik jew is right he's right

>>522548499
I heckin love jews now.

It's weird how supposedly smart people often have the dumbest Twitter shit. Bill is a notorious grifter though who says literally whatever his billionaire paymaster wants. I don't understand how people do this. How much money would someone have to offer you to become a communist shill that says whatever Alex Soros tells you to say?

>>522548349
Say, isnt Bill Kristol a NeoCon War Criminal?

>>522548616
Your brain is literally mush.
>>522548744
Not to the extent that Trump is.

>>522548349
>REDEMPTION ARC
So they're ending multicult?
If not, no redemption sorry

>>522548349
Did he turn into a lampshade or a bar of soap?

>>522548349
>X screengrab
>kike
yes it's another tick in the box of how shit pol is now

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>faggots start praising one of the architects of all that they hate because irrational TDS is that much of a mental illness
/pol/ is lost to these demented retards.

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>>522548869
>Not to the extent that Trump is.
>Trump is a worse neocon than the guy who was the mastermind behind basically every war for Israel, every pro-Israel policy, every crackdown on antisemitism, and pretty much everything jewish in US government for the last four decades, and literally is the child of the guy who literally invented the term neoconservatism and carried on his legacy, because...um...ZION DON ZION DON ZION DON DON'T ARGUE MIGGER FELL FOR IT AGAIN MIGA MIGA MIGA

>>522549496
>>faggots start praising one of the architects of all that they hate
Bill Kristol was a bad influence over the country, yes. Trump is even worse. It's not rocket science.

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>Bill Kristol was a bad influence over the country, yes. Trump is even worse.
I'd ask you to explain how, but you won't, and we both know it. The assertion itself is so mind-bogglingly absurd that you're either trolling, or deranged. There is no third option.

>>522548349
Nothing can redeem a jew.

>>522548869
no u, u

>>522548616
>How much money would someone have to offer you
harvey weinstein ensured that only whores show up in movies

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>>522548349
>FUCK THAT KIKE TRUMP WE'RE WITH BILL KRISTOL NOW WOOOO

>>522549686
>>Trump is a worse neocon than the guy who was the mastermind behind basically every war for Israel
Calling Kristol the mastermind behind any foreign policy decision we've undertaken is laughably false. He was simply a relatively influential voice calling for interventionism in a sea of influential voices. The buck ultimately stops with Bush, Obama and Trump, all of whom got the country embroiled in conflicts themselves.
>every pro-Israel policy
No President is as pro-Israel as Trump.
>every crackdown on antisemitism
This is basically exclusive to the Trump administration.
>and pretty much everything jewish in US government for the last four decades
Again, no President is as pro-Jewish as Trump.

>>522549793
>I'd ask you to explain how
Okay, the wars in your chart (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, proxy war against Yemen by Saudi Arabia) were continued and expanded by Trump, as was the Ukraine War, Gaza Genocide and proxy-war via Israel against Lebanon inherited from Biden. Whereas Obama acknowledged the intervention against Gaddafi was his biggest regret, Trump celebrated Gaddafi's murder and stands by Obama's initial decision, Trump vetoed bipartisan Congressional legislation to end US support for Saudi's war against Yemen, he bragged that he didn't withdraw from Syria like he promised during the 2016 campaign because he was stealing the country's oil, and acknowledged the only reason he didn't murder Assad was because General Mattis told him not to, he attacked Biden from withdrawing from Afghanistan and has tweeted repeatedly he intends to restart the conflict if they don't surrender Bagram Air Base, he has personally attacked Iran twice under completely false pretenses, he restarted the war against Yemen in March of this year on completely false pretenses and he is gearing up for regime change against Venezuela on completely false pretenses. Consecutively, he pardoned many of the worst war criminals of these various wars, stopped reporting civilian casualties from drone strikes (which he massively expanded), bribed the Ecuadorian government to stop providing shelter for Julian Assange, which led to his wrongful imprisonment while seeking his extradition for exposing war crimes in Iraq, has overseen internationally illegal strikes on boats off the coast of Venezuela (also based on false pretenses) which include double striking survivors, clear violations of US law, international law and the Geneva Convention.

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>>522550419
>Calling Kristol the mastermind behind any foreign policy decision we've undertaken is laughably false.
lol, no, it isn't. He's one of the most well-known beltway hacks for the last few decades, as I noted.
>The buck ultimately stops with Bush, Obama and Trump, all of whom got the country embroiled in conflicts themselves.
Name a single war Trump started.
>No President is as pro-Israel as Trump.
Every President since the 1970s gave more money to Israel and started more wars for Israel than Trump.
>This is basically exclusive to the Trump administration.
What did Trump do to restrict American's rights to be antisemitic? Pass EOs for which not a single American has been affected? You can't even blame the Israeli boycott restrictions on government contractors on him because he had nothing to do with them.
>Again, no President is as pro-Jewish as Trump.
You haven't given a single example how or why, as I anticipated.

>>522550419
just keep hammering that talking point, bud

>>522549793
>>522550524
Oh yeah, he also pardoned Aviem Sella, something the neocons unanimously opposed, allowed his ambassador to Israel (who really is an ambassador for Israel) to meet with the man Sella worked with to conduct the largest case of espionage against our nation of all time, Jonathan Pollard, without reprisal, he's recognized Israel's illegal land grabs in Syria and Jerusalem, lifted sanctions and publicly supported Israel's illegal settler terrorists when they steal Palestinian land, ignored when they have killed Palestinian Americans and gone out of his way to remove actual anti-war Republicans from Congress. George W. Bush, despite his faults, never sought to run primaries against Ron Paul or Jimmy Duncan.

>>522548349
I see they want the word “criminals” to mean nothing, next.

>>522549720
>Enforcing basic border laws is bad
Post your hand brown.

this dude is usually so careful with his language. I don't blame him this admin is just awful for us all

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>>522548744
Yes, he is asking Trump for a job.

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>>522550524
>continued and expanded by Trump
He inherited them. He also ended Afghanistan and twice arranged ceasefires for Israel-Gaza which Israel broke. He hasn't started any new wars, which he was the first POTUS to do since Carter.
>celebrated, bragged, acknowledged, attacked Biden
All talk, not policy.
>personally attacked Iran
He bombed three empty buildings and killed one sandnigger. I think Grenada had more casualties.
>restarted war on Yemen
It never ended, so now you're just lying.
>gearing up
Just like we were going to War in Iran, right?
>pardoned worst war criminals of these wars
Like who? He pardons kike business criminals and rappers. I think you're taking that Honduran president and pretending it's a trend.
>bribed Ecuador
lol, lying again.
>strikes on Venezuelan boats
Drug cartels, cry me a river. This is your body of evidence that Trump is worse than Bill Kristol, who cheered on every single war the last few POTUSes engaged in that killed millions? What a joke.
>>522550817
>follows up by citing a pardon that neocons opposed
So how does that make him a worse neocon, dipshit?
>recognized
Don't care.
>supported Israels illegal settler terrorists
He opposed the annexation of the West Bank on multiple occasions, so you're just lying again.
>ignored
Oh fuck off.
>George W. Bush, despite his faults
He is directly responsible for the deaths of over a million people and the Patriot Act. You are without conscience.

>>522548349
TRVKE

>>522548349
A Jewish Zionist calling people ordinary, sex, or war criminals. Lol
There is no English translation for chutzpah because it is a Jewish trait.

>>522550760
>lol, no, it isn't
Yes it is, retard.
>He's one of the most well-known beltway hacks
Irrelevant. The wars would have started regardless of whether he was alive or not, and he had no role in planning or executing them.
>Name a single war Trump started.
No President since Bush has technically started a war. But considering you consider Obama's actions in Libya and Yemen wars, Trump did so in Iran and directly in Yemen, and is about to do so in Venezuela, on top of continuing every war he inherited.
>Every President since the 1970s gave more money to Israel and started more wars for Israel than Trump.
No they didn't. Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Clinton didn't start any wars in the Middle East period, the Gulf War was in defense of Kuwait, the Afghanistan War had nothing to do with Israel, while the Israel lobby and neocons wanted the Iraq war, they were completely against Bush helping install the Shiites to power instead of a US/Israeli puppet, though he's Sunni, a similar dynamic is happening with Julani in charge of Syria, who is certainly not Israel's preferred leader and why they're expanding their land grabs and bombing campaigns and despite not liking Gaddafi, Israel never viewed him as somebody who needed to be overthrown. The only actions genuinely done for Israel were killing Soleimani, joining Israel in their war against Iran (as Trump later admitted) and bombing campaign against Yemen earlier this year, all under Trump.
>What did Trump do to restrict American's rights to be antisemitic?
Directly withheld funding from universities who don't teach pro-Zionist propaganda, deported legal residents for criticizing Israel, massively expanded anti-BDS laws, including tying federal disaster aid to jurisdictions who explicitly denounce BDS.
>You haven't given a single example how or why
I actually have, you just don't have an argument because you're a moron.

>>522550889
Bush enforced border laws, you fucking idiot.

>>522551399
He said post your shit stain brown fingers and hands, poojeet.
And Bush was for 20 million Illegals getting Amnesty you fucking zoomer retarded midwit faggot.

/pol/ simping for Kristol is a new fucking low

>>522548349
OP is a literal kike.
Sage

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>No President since Bush has technically started a war.
Deranged and lying. Not worth another word. Bye shill.

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>>522548349
>>522548499
>>522548744
>>522549686
>>522550760

Add it to the list.


>Beltway hack
>Policy wonk
>grifter
>Bolshevik
>psychopath
>banker
>Hollywood producer
>journalist
>the media
>academic
>Neocon
>expert
>Big-nosed individual
>Trans woman
>BLM organizer
>Big government
>Sex offender
>Dancing Israeli
>Communist
>Holocaust survivor
>Porn star
>Lobbyist
>Auschwitz orchestra
>Cloud graffiti

>>522551684
He's an Obama shill. He will defend, justify, or twist everything Obama did in order to blame Trump for it. I recognize his bullshit.

>>522548349
Before Trump, he used to be somebody

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>>522551120
>He inherited them
Yeah, and continued and expanded them.
>He also ended Afghanistan
No he didn't, Biden did. Which Trump criticized him for and is threatening to restart the war due to Biden actually withdrawing.
>twice arranged ceasefires for Israel-Gaza which Israel broke
He allowed Israel to break the first agreement, his administration then deliberately lied and blamed Hamas and now Israel still kills roughly 20-50 Palestinians per day with impunity because Trump only cared about the Israeli POWs, not actually ending the conflict.
>He hasn't started any new wars
Using the Obama definition of a war, he has started wars against Iran and Yemen and is about to start one against Venezuela.
>All talk, not policy.
Nice deflection, faggot.
>He bombed three empty buildings
He committed an act of war against Iran for Israel. Just because they didn't respond by declaring war against us doesn't mean it wasn't.
>It never ended, so now you're just lying.
It did. Neither Yemen nor the US attacked each other in months before Trump's bombing campaign, again, centered on his false pretenses.
>Just like we were going to War in Iran
We did.
>Like who?
https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/trumps-war-pardons-are-sabotaging-the-military-justice-system
>lol, lying again.
It's not a lie, you moron. Moreno, the then president made various agreements with the likes of Pence and Grenell to remove his protections and they were rewarded for it.
>Drug cartels
No evidence. Trump actually did just pardon one though.
>This is your body of evidence that Trump is worse than Bill Kristol
No, it's also everything you respond to whataboutism to.
>who cheered on every single war
Which Trump continued.
>So how does that make him a worse neocon, dipshit?
Because the neocons didn't support traitors being pardoned, unlike Trump, you fucking idiot.
>Don't care.
I know you don't care he's owned by Israel, but it's a key reason why he's worse than the neocons.

I 100% get being a very anti-Trump small-C-conservative, since Trump is basically a socialist dictator. But Bill actually became a lefty he got TDS so bad.

>>522551120
>He opposed the annexation of the West Bank on multiple occasions, so you're just lying again.
No he isn't. He undid sanctions against West Bank settlers and refuses to condemn or do anything to stop them. He's just not in favor of them publicly annexing the West Bank so it makes it easier for him to "broker" normalization deals.
>Oh fuck off.
Not an argument, Jew.
>He is directly responsible for the deaths of over a million people
And Trump continued his wars, expanded drone strikes which mainly kill civilians and is threatening to restart them, nice deflection from the point, though.

>>He also ended Afghanistan
>No he didn't, Biden did.
Yup, it's this clown. Doesn't acknowledge anything Trump does and gives Biden and Obama credit for everything while blaming Trump for all they did. Have fun with him. I grew tired of his deranged gaslighting long ago. No surprise he's now tonguing the anus of the most prolific neocon wonk today.

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LOL and now he just claimed Trump continued Bush's wars, even though only one was still going when Trump got into office and that was the one Trump ended. That's how fucked in the head this shill is.

>>522552142
>, but it's a key reason why he's worse than the neocons.
The faggots who wanted replace the White vote with Hispanics is le based gois
kek
Fucking midwit.

>>522551366
>Reagan
What was Beirut bombing about again?
>Clinton didn't start any wars in the Middle East period
No, he just started a war on Serbia, a war on random Americans, and signed the Iraqi Liberation Act which laid the groundwork for OIF.

>>522551482
>poojeet
Actual poojeets love Trump because he's a zionist and thinks they're more talented than American workers.
>And Bush was for 20 million Illegals getting Amnesty you fucking zoomer retarded midwit faggot.
Trump is in favor of expanding H-1B Visas and other immigrant work programs and has stated he doesn't believe illegal farm, hospitality, construction, etc labor should be deported, granting de facto amnesty to the vast majority of them.
>>522551684
You're literally deranged. The one shibboleth left in the MIGA movement is worship of all things kikes.
>>522551738
It's not a lie. Nice concession though.
>>522551898
Not true at all. Obama deserves blame for the Libya debacle (which he has admitted regret over) and getting America involved in a mess in Syria and a proxy war on behalf of Saudi Arabia in Yemen. If it wasn't for Trump supporting and continuing all of these policies, you may have a point that Obama was especially bad.
>>522552305
Trump didn't end the Afghanistan War. He brokered a frame work for a full withdrawal that he pushed past his term and his subsequent comments indicate he had no intention on actually following through with it, unlike Biden. That is why he's threatening to restart the war.
>>522552391
He did continue both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, yes. Just because we entered a different phase of the Iraq War under Obama doesn't mean we aren't at war in Iraq and the reason the Afghanistan War ended is because President Joseph Biden fully withdrew in 2021, something Trump repeatedly has criticized him for, and is threatening to restart.

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>>522548349
>BILL KRISTOL REDEMPTION ARC A

The absolute state of the left. Imagine simping for war monger trash like Bill Kristol or Cheney.

>>522552611
Clinton wrecked Yugoslavia, too.

>>522552645
>Trump is in favor of expanding H-1B Visas and other immigrant work programs and has stated he doesn't believe illegal farm, hospitality, construction, etc labor should be deported, granting de facto amnesty to the vast majority of them.
>Duh look Trunbo will do the same as the Neocons see how much better they are
kek
Fucking midwit

>>522552671
Yeah, I mentioned Serbia (Kosovo is Serbia btw). But yeah, Yugoslavia was the priority for Willy since it was an opportunity for the Israeli Foreign Legion, aka NATO, to fuck up a major power that was against zionism and judeo-capitalism.

>>522549496
No you dont get it drumpf is controlled by israel so we all need to join up with communist jews and do their bidding
>>522552645
>Trump is in favor of expanding H-1B Visas and other immigrant work programs and has stated he doesn't believe illegal farm, hospitality, construction, etc labor should be deported, granting de facto amnesty to the vast majority of them.
When you look at what hes actually done, we've gotten net negative migration for the first time since the 60s and illegal border crossings are down to essentially nothing. Yeah he says retarded shit sometimes but thats just trump, look at what he actually does.

>>522548744
Yes, but Trumpism is too trashy for him. He feels the same way about Sarah Palin, who he mentored.

>>522548744
>War Criminal?
Who cares? Hes a jew who hates white people, thats what actually matters.

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>claims Trump restarted the Yemen War even though it never ended
>asserts that the Iraq War that ended in 2011 was somehow continued by Trump
See how he changes shit around in order to blame everything on Trump? Then he says "well Obama regretted Libya so give him a break bruh". Shameless.

>>522552470
Trump brags about expanding illegal immigration from brown countries because he doesn't believe American college students and workers are talented or smart enough and praised companies hiring illegal workers. So I'm not sure what point you're making.
>>522552611
>What was Beirut bombing about again?
Opposition to Reagan supporting Iraq, not Israel. Reagan was completely against Israel's invasion of Lebanon.
>No, he just started a war on Serbia
I know, tranny. It had nothing to do with Israel, which is what we are talking about.
>the Iraqi Liberation Act which laid the groundwork for OIF.
Even if Clinton or Gore launched the Iraq War, which would have been very unlikely, it wouldn't have been for Israel because Bush's war wasn't for Israel. So you're making another moot point.

>>522552850
>When you look at what hes actually done
Most of OP's complaints are about what Trump has said, if you hadn't noticed. That's when you know it's a shill.

>>522552929
>So I'm not sure what point you're making.
>this disingenuous faggot acts like it can't understand the neocons have been actively replacing white voters since Bush Sr and Reagan and he can go fuck his retarded midwit ass raw.

I got an idea, how about we defuse an exposed bipartisan jewish blackmail ring as a partisan thing? Get the focus off Epstein himself and pesky questions, just focus on "Pedo Trump".

It's genius, because the right wingers no longer care about being called racists or rapists. So what's left? Their last sacred cow, children. Two birds with one stone.

>>522552645
>Obama deserves blame for the Libya debacle (which he has admitted regret over) and getting America involved in a mess in Syria and a proxy war on behalf of Saudi Arabia in Yemen.
Obabo also started the current crisis in Ukraine, which is far worse than just about anything else he did. Nuland and her clique of kikes have brought us to the brink of WWIII. You are also forgetting all of the shit he did with Pakistan (AfPak strategy). No surprise though, Onigger's Pakistan idiocy was not widely covered, and is a major reason Pakistan moved closer to China.

>>522552656
Trump is a bigger warmonger than both of them.
>>522552743
>>Duh look Trunbo will do the same as the Neocons see how much better they are
The midwit is the one who thinks Trump is any better than them.
>>522552850
>When you look at what hes actually done, we've gotten net negative migration for the first time since the 60s and illegal border crossings are down to essentially nothing
Border crossings/immigration been declining since Biden banned asylum claims at the border last year. Beyond that, you can't trust any information coming from this White House, as they've been caught lying about deportation numbers multiple times. But even if net immigration is done, Trump's sweeping student visa and worker expansions have yet to go in effect.

>>522552929
>Opposition to Reagan supporting Iraq, not Israel. Reagan was completely against Israel's invasion of Lebanon.
According to who? American intervention in Lebanon was for Israel's sake, like everything else we do in that region. There is always a way Israel benefits when the US does something in the region.
>Yugoslavia/Serbia had nothing to do with Israel
Retard, look at who supplied many of the anti-Israel forces in the 60s and 70s. Yugoslavia severed all of its diplomatic ties with Israel after the 1967 war and remained an opponent until it was dismantled in 1992.
>Even if Clinton or Gore launched the Iraq War, which would have been very unlikely, it wouldn't have been for Israel because Bush's war wasn't for Israel.
Goalpost moving and pretending Iraq wasn't part of the seven nations strategy pushed by the neocons and zionists Not to mention that the post-Gulf War era was entirely focused on starving Iraq out with sanctions for the invasion the following decade. You are shit at your job, shill.

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>Bush's war destabilizing the most well-armed anti-Israel power in Israel's vicinity, which Netanyahu went before Congress urging them to start, wasn't a war for Israel
The absolute disingenuousness.

>>522548349
Kike Kristol is and always has been a massive Jewish faggot who should be tossed into an active volcano.
Fuck that neocon kike ratfucker.

>>522552893
>>claims Trump restarted the Yemen War even though it never ended
Again, it did end. Formally as part of the Gaza "ceasefire", but it had been months longer than that since the US and the Houthis had fired on each other. Trump restarted it on false pretenses in March in preparation for Israel to restart their genocide, which his administration lied about Hamas being the instigators.

>>522553377
>The midwit is the one who thinks Trump is any better than them.
>NO you are but what am i
Kek
A literal grade school tier midwit at that.

>>522552893
>>asserts that the Iraq War that ended in 2011 was somehow continued by Trump
Also, as I made clear, just because we're in a different phase of the Iraq War doesn't mean that we aren't there, retard.

>>522548349
I love PNAC getting fucked more than I like the Dems getting fucked.

God damn I love this timeline. Bring on the guillotine.

>Trump brags about expanding illegal immigration
There really is nothing you won't lie about.

>>522548499
Sit down. And listen

>Again, it did end. Formally
It has formally been ongoing since 2014. Your ability to make shit up with a straight face is sickening.

>>522552949
Nope. They're virtually all about his actions. To avoid this, you resort to deflections and whataboutisms because you don't have an argument.
>>522553006
Bush Sr and Reagan weren't neocons and Trump is in favor of replacing white voters too, as he doesn't believe they are talented or smart enough.
>>522553163
>Obabo also started the current crisis in Ukraine, which is far worse than just about anything else he did. Nuland and her clique of kikes have brought us to the brink of WWIII
It was Trump who made the decision to militarily support Ukraine against the separatists, not Obama. It was also Trump who withdrew from the INF and Open Skies Treaty and sanctioned the Nord Stream pipeline, all of which dramatically worsened relations with Russia, not Obama.
>You are also forgetting all of the shit he did with Pakistan (AfPak strategy).
Because we're discussing wars, not foreign policy decisions you dislike.

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>whataboutisms
Aaaand there we go, redditor confirmed.

>>522548349
bill kristol is the architect of american policy starting with 9/11

he's also a fucking kike

>Bush Sr and Reagan weren't neocons
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh wow

>>522550419
>Again, no President is as pro-Jewish as Trump.

they all were

>>522553981
>Bush Sr and Reagan weren't neocons
>This faggots can't show any daylight between their main policies and Neocons yet they're not Neocons since no one likes those anymore
kek
Sure you globalist faggots.

>>522553471
I guarantee this lil nigga came in here thinking we wouldn't remember this shit. 2 hours of king kike kvetching in front of Congress a few months before the start of OIF.

c-span.org/program/house-committee/israeli-perspective-on-conflict-with-iraq/125088
>>522553981
>It was Trump who made the decision to militarily support Ukraine against the separatists, not Obama.
I was unaware that Nuland and Co were serving in the Trump administration. You are correct though, Trump did continue the policy that was set in place by the 2014 coup.

youtube.com/shorts/hVE4eltDLbA

>AfPak was not a war
Hundreds of drone strikes, many of which killed civilians, doesn't count as a war now?

>>522553460
>According to who?
Literally everybody.
>American intervention in Lebanon was for Israel's sake
It wasn't. Reagan was completely opposed to Israel's actions in Lebanon.
https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ronald-reagan/white-house-diaries/diary-entry-08121982
>until it was dismantled in 1992
It was done to expand American influence, it had nothing to do with Israel. Sharon, who was the Foreign Minister at the time, criticized the bombing.
>Goalpost moving
It's not. We're specifically discussing wars for Israel.
>and pretending Iraq wasn't part of the seven nations strategy pushed by the neocons and zionists
I literally already acknowledged they lobbied for the Iraq War. However, it wasn't done for their interests considering Bush was content with collaborating with the pro-Iranian Shiites and allowing them to take power.
>Not to mention that the post-Gulf War era was entirely focused on starving Iraq out with sanctions for the invasion the following decade
Again, those sanctions were not for or because of Israel. Trump's actually are though.
https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2025-february-26/

>>522548869
>Not to the extent that Trump is
Prove it

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>>522553981
>Bush Sr and Reagan weren't neocons

>>522553471
Nobody is denying Netanyahu and the Israel lobby supported the Iraq War. It just wasn't fought for Israel, as if it were, Bush wouldn't have allowed the pro-Iranian Shiites to take over the country.
>>522553538
Alright, you're retarded.
>>522553672
>uses a typo to deflect from the reality that Trump brags about increasing legal immigration because he hates Americans
>>522553825
No it hasn't, you retard. The proxy war between Saudi and the Houthis Obama started and Trump expanded had been over before the Gaza Genocide and Biden's operation against the Houthis. Biden's operation ended formally as part of the ceasefire implemented shortly before he left office, but the two sides had not attacked each other longer than that. Trump started and massively expanded the war in preparation for Israel to return to its genocide in Gaza. You can't admit this because you are being paid.

>>522554355
>Literally everybody.
Why did the MNF go into Lebanon?
>It wasn't. Reagan was completely opposed to Israel's actions in Lebanon.
Yet Reagan still sent forces with the MNF. Why?
>It was done to expand American influence, it had nothing to do with Israel.
Do you get a thrill out of lying?
>I literally already acknowledged they lobbied for the Iraq War. However, it wasn't done for their interests considering Bush was content with collaborating with the pro-Iranian Shiites and allowing them to take power.
Nigger, we have two fucking hours of kike prime telling Congress why invading Iraq is in Israeli and US interests. Are you a bot or something?
>Again, those sanctions were not for or because of Israel.
The sanctions were part of a broader strategy to weaken Iraq. Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were (and still are) US/Israeli proxies. Ba'athist Iraq was on the chopping block since the end of the Iran-Iraq war. Need I remind you that Israel sent weapons to fucking Iran to use against Iraqi troops.

>>522554057
And Trump has expanded every bad thing he supported.
>>522554078
They objectively weren't.
>>522554132
Nope. Trump is sui generis in his subservience to the kikes. No other president recognized Israel's illegal land grabs, pardoned Israelis who committed espionage against us and had their ambassadors freely meet them for a reason.
>>522554242
They weren't. Words do have meaning. While many of the most prominent neocons served in the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations, they deliberately had less influence and were forced to act as realists. Bush 41 criticized his own son's presidency for being too reliant on the neoconservatives.
>>522554252
>I was unaware that Nuland and Co
They weren't responsible for the decision to military support the new government in Kiev, attempting to prevent Russia's energy collaboration with Europe and basically ending all cooperation with Russia, that was Trump in his first term. The Obama admin supported the framework of Minsk and didn't want tensions to get worse, which they knew could lead to a fullscale war, unlike Zion Don, who is retarded.
>Hundreds of drone strikes, many of which killed civilians
Obama inherited the drone campaign in Pakistan and Afghanistan from Bush.

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>You can't admit this because you are being paid.
Oooh, he's getting mad about being called out for his lies.

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>pardoned Israelis who committed espionage against us
Couldn't resist implying he pardoned Pollard, which he didn't, because you're such a shameless liar. You're having a melty.

>>522554655
>Bush wouldn't have allowed the pro-Iranian Shiites to take over the country.
Bush never had a choice and the Shias in Iraq were still loyal to Iraq as a state. Shias fought alongside Sunnis under Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. What happened was that the sectarian forces in Iraq were too difficult for coalition forces to subdue. The CIA than decided to go the proxy route and tried to kill two birds with one stone with ISIL. It didn't really work though because the Shia militias, SAA, Kurds (DIA/US .mil) and Russian airpower proved too much for the proxy and it was dismantled, with militants going to other Sunni groups.

I also recall, although I cannot find the file on my drive, that Libyan weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS fighters in Mosul. I remember the pics though.

>>522554402
>>522554413
It's not bait. They weren't neocons. Not every Republican is a neocon. The only ones who have led neoconservative administrations are Bush Jr and Trump.
read these posts
>>522550524
>>522550817

>Obama inherited the drone campaign in Pakistan and Afghanistan from Bush
Which he continued and expanded. Funny how you don't acknowledge this about Obama, but you leap to say it about Trump. You suck at hiding your agenda, shill.

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>>522550760
lying faggot

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>>522554655
>Trump brags about increasing legal immigration because he hates Americans
Trump has always bragged about increasing legal immigration, if you weren't a literal NPC bot stuck in a permanent loop you'd realize everybody else knew Trump married immigrants twice, and we all support legal immigration

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LOL it's the text-heavy facebook-tier TDS pic with false claims not backed up by the links next to the statements, made solely by a butthurt shill mad that simple aid numbers ruined his narrative. I'm sure OP appreciates it.

>>522555069
>They weren't responsible for the decision to military support the new government in Kiev
No, they just started the coup that precipitated all of the events that followed.
>attempting to prevent Russia's energy collaboration with Europe and basically ending all cooperation with Russia
Again, the events of Maidan set all of the events in motion. Everything that happened afterwards was the result of this. Biden also greenlit the destruction of NS1 and NS2.
>The Obama admin supported the framework of Minsk and didn't want tensions to get worse, which they knew could lead to a fullscale war
How noble of them. Is that why the kept shipping weapons and training kosher nazi militias then?
abc.net.au/news/2015-03-13/inside-the-mariupol-base-of-ukraines-azov-battalion/6306242
aljazeera.com/news/2015/4/18/russia-warns-over-arrival-of-us-paratroopers-in-ukraine
>Obama inherited the drone campaign in Pakistan and Afghanistan from Bush.
And expanded it.

>praises Obama again
It's all so tiresome.

>>522555234
Every single president since Carter has been an interventionist neocon. I'm not defending Trump btw.

>>522554831
>Why did the MNF go into Lebanon?
>Yet Reagan still sent forces with the MNF. Why?
Largely to prevent another massive Middle Eastern war. Again, the peacekeeping was largely in response to Israel's massacres.
>Do you get a thrill out of lying?
I'm not lying. And you can deflect all you want, but Israel opposed the bombing.
>Nigger, we have two fucking hours of kike prime telling Congress why invading Iraq is in Israeli and US interests
And nigger, I've never denied that. I've said it multiple times now.
>The sanctions were part of a broader strategy to weaken Iraq
Yes, but not for the sake of Israel.
>you that Israel sent weapons to fucking Iran to use against Iraqi troops
Yes, and America sent vastly more weapons to Iraq, which kind of disproves your entire theory.
>>522555175
Pollard and Sella worked in tandem. They were both convicted of espionage, you disingenuous liar.

>>522555532
>TDS
Trump shill said the Trump shill catchphrase.

>>522555183
>Bush never had a choice
This is insane cope. Bush could have imposed a puppet of his choice after Saddam. Instead, he deliberately wanted there to be a democratic pretext.
>>522555306
>Which he continued and expanded
Correct.
>Funny how you don't acknowledge this about Obama, but you leap to say it about Trump
I have never accused Trump of starting the Afghanistan, Iraq, Syrian or initial Yemeni-Saudi proxy war. Not properly understanding arguments or thinking there are contradictions where there aren't is a sign of a low IQ.

>>522555837
>Largely to prevent another massive Middle Eastern war.
Wrong. It was in response the assassination attempt on an Israeli ambassador, supposedly done by the PLO. Israel had a hand to play in the root causes of Lebanese civil war, and the resulting MDF.
>And you can deflect all you want, but Israel opposed the bombing.
Israel supported Christian militias that ended up causing the situation that led to the bombing though. This seems to be a common theme here.
>Yes, but not for the sake of Israel.
It was for the sake of Israel since Israel/US marked Saddam's Iraq for destruction since the end of the Iran-Iraq war.
>Yes, and America sent vastly more weapons to Iraq, which kind of disproves your entire theory.
In what way? The USSR was opposed to Israel yet sent weapons to Iraq. Iraq was simply more dangerous to Israel in the late 80s and 90s after the war than Iran was.

The Iran-Iraq war was engineered to keep both of Israel's enemies occupied while it consolidated power in its region.

>>522556116
>could have imposed a puppet
Bush could made himself king of Iraq. It wouldn't have mattered since the Iraqi government had very loose control of the country and coalition forces were being bullied daily by IEDs and Juba.

>>522555543
>No, they just started the coup that precipitated all of the events that followed.
The Obama administration supported the Minsk Agreements and not doing anything to escalate the conflict. It was Trump who decided to blow up the Obama-era status quo.
>Again, the events of Maidan set all of the events in motion
It was Trump's actions specifically. The war wouldn't have happened had Trump not gone out of his way to militarily support Ukraine and antagonize Russia.
>Biden also greenlit the destruction of NS1 and NS2.
This was after Russia invaded. Biden initially dropped Trump's sanctions.
>How noble of them. Is that why the kept shipping weapons and training kosher nazi militias then?
Obama did not send them weapons and the United States' and Ukraine's militaries trained together before 2014.
>And expanded it.
Correct. Are you ready to admit Trump expanded just about everything nefarious Obama and Bush did?

>>522556543
>The Obama administration supported the Minsk Agreements and not doing anything to escalate the conflict.
Retard, they were training and arming the forces that would later be used to fight. That was the entire purpose of Minsk. To buy time to rearm, prepare defensive lines in Donbass and train personnel up to a modern standard. There was never any intention by tptb to abide by Minsk. They were going to break it from day 1.
>It was Trump's actions specifically.
At this point you are just baiting to avoid having to confront reality. Trump was not president in 2014 and 2015.
>This was after Russia invaded.
>completely ignores why they invaded
>Obama did not send them weapons and the United States' and Ukraine's militaries trained together before 2014.
Obama sent them money which they used to buy said weapons via commercial aid programs. The "non-lethal" aid also included combat equipment like NVGs, body armor and other things that would be needed for combat.
>Correct. Are you ready to admit Trump expanded just about everything nefarious Obama and Bush did?
Sure, as long as you are willing to admit that every president since Carter has been a neocon, and that nothing Trump is doing is different than what the rest of them did.

>>522556245
>Wrong. It was in response the assassination attempt on an Israeli ambassador
It was in response to Israel's invasion and bombing campaign. The result was Israel having to agree to a ceasefire again.
>Israel supported Christian militias that ended up causing the situation that led to the bombing though
I'm talking about Clinton's bombings.
>It was for the sake of Israel since Israel/US marked Saddam's Iraq for destruction since the end of the Iran-Iraq war.
The US did that because of Kuwait. Saddam was still considered an ally before then.
>In what way?
If the US was seeking to carry out Israel's will, they would have supported Iran instead of Iraq. (Likewise not prevented their destruction in Lebanon) Despite Khomeini's rhetoric, Israel and Iran were relatively close before Rabin's about-face, which you seem to be aware of.
>>522556296
>Bush could made himself king of Iraq
Exactly my point. He deliberately didn't do anything like that because he wanted to establish a more democratic Iraq. Same with him supporting elections in Gaza. Him, his father and Reagan are not the Israel controlled puppets that Zion Don is.
>It wouldn't have mattered since the Iraqi government had very loose control of the country and coalition forces were being bullied daily by IEDs and Juba
Irrelevant. The Shiite government had all the same problems too.

>>522556940
>Retard, they were training
The "trainings" preceded the coup.
>and arming the forces
They weren't armed to fight.
>To buy time to rearm, prepare defensive lines in Donbass and train personnel up to a modern standard
Literally nobody expected a fullscale invasion by Russia at the end of Obama's term. Some of what you're saying is true, but applied to a scenario where the separatists and the neo-Ukrainian government flared up again. For the most part, hostilities stopped and each side withdrew to their respective lines before Trump decided to escalate it.
>At this point you are just baiting to avoid having to confront reality. Trump was not president in 2014 and 2015.
I'm well aware. And acknowledging Trump escalated the conflict massively is not baiting.
>>completely ignores why they invaded
They invaded in part because Trump massively worsened relations with Russia and escalated the conflict in the Donbass.
>Obama sent them money which they used to buy said weapons via commercial aid programs
This is just a silly argument. Ukraine having standard military equipment is completely different from the heavy types of weaponry Trump permitted them to use specifically in the Donbass.
>The "non-lethal" aid also included combat equipment like NVGs, body armor and other things that would be needed for combat.
Yeah, defensive equipment that can't kill anybody.
>Sure, as long as you are willing to admit that every president since Carter has been a neocon
Not true. Only George W. Bush and Trump had led neoconservative administrations.
>and that nothing Trump is doing is different than what the rest of them did.
I go through everything unique about him here
>>522550524
>>522550817

>>522548349
What is this gigakike scheming?

>>522548744
Yes, he and his kike ilk left the Republican party and conservatism in general because of Trump being anti-war. He's also a loxist who hates Whites.

>>522557036
>He deliberately didn't do anything like that because he wanted to establish a more democratic Iraq.
He didn't do that because he couldn't do anything with the title. The Iraqi government did not have a real power presence outside of major cities. The government needed to be as moderate as possible so as to not fracture the country, especially since the Iraq war was becoming deeply unpopular in the US and there was a global recession coming so their American backers were going to start drawing down.
>Irrelevant. The Shiite government had all the same problems too.
Wrong. The Shias had far greater control over most of urban and southern Iraq.
>The US did that because of Kuwait. Saddam was still considered an ally before then.
Kuwait and the fall of the USSR, which Saddam had depended on for weapons, trade, and political backing. Without this, Saddam was an easy target. Nonetheless, his decision to invade Kuwait was a retarded one and gave the coalition a reason to strike.
>If the US was seeking to carry out Israel's will, they would have supported Iran instead of Iraq. (Likewise not prevented their destruction in Lebanon) Despite Khomeini's rhetoric, Israel and Iran were relatively close before Rabin's about-face, which you seem to be aware of.
It was a "enemies of my enemies" situation. Iraq was closer, had the strike capabilities and could feasibly reach Israeli territory had it decided to go through Jordan. The scuds definitely made it to Israel though.
>I'm talking about Clinton's bombings.
Ah. Yes Sharon didn't like the bombings, but the expansion of NATO into the Balkans did remove Yugoslavia. I also don't put too much stock into what politicians say. All that matters is who benefits. Israel benefitted because NATO benefitted..

>>522557729
>The "trainings" preceded the coup.
The National Guard of Ukraine included Azov and similar groups, which only existed after the coup. They received training.
>they weren't armed to fight
They were given commercial sales of small arms, which is what was needed to carry out massacres of civilians. Ukraine had enough heavy equipment to where it did not need it until after combat losses later in the decade.
>Literally nobody expected a fullscale invasion by Russia at the end of Obama's term
Of course. They knew that it was coming though. The people in the intelligence community were already making plans and contingencies. Its how all of those defensive lines we see in Donbass today got built.
>They invaded in part because Trump massively worsened relations with Russia and escalated the conflict in the Donbass.
"In part" yes, but the 2014 coup basically made an invasion inevitable. The goal of Nuland and the others in the IC was to use Ukraine to weaken Russia to break Russia apart or force Putin from power. Its worth mentioning here that the IC doesn't change much from admin to admin. Its called a "deep state" for a reason after all.
>>This is just a silly argument. Ukraine having standard military equipment is completely different from the heavy types of weaponry Trump permitted them to use specifically in the Donbass.
Its not. The AFU had plenty of heavy equipment to use against the coal miners. The commercial sales were mostly small arms, most of which likely went to the kosher nazi militias and to replace the small arms losses of the garrisons in Luhansk and Donetsk. Heavy weapons weren't really a concern until later as I said previously.
>Yeah, defensive equipment that can't kill anybody.
No, but they make it easier to kill people. We can agree that NVGs make it easier to kill people, right?

>>522557729
>For the most part, hostilities stopped and each side withdrew to their respective lines before Trump decided to escalate it.
Also worth mentioning that hostilities never really ended. There were thousands of ceasefire violations.

>>522548349
>Redemption arc

What is the "redemption"? He's been a seething #NeverTrumper for ten fucking years now. Next you'll say Rick Wilson tweeting "DRUMPF" later today is "le redemption arc."