>muh snail>muh 3 daysNot the point, retard. The goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian military. Can you prove that this isn't happening? The Russians aren't going to advance as long as there is some active meatgrinder the Ukrainians are happy to keep throwing troops into. Advancing and completely capturing the meatgrinder means it can no longer be a meatgrinder. Ideally, you want to keep these meatgrinders going as long as possible until the enemy is thoroughly destroyed, and then only advance when it reaches the point where they decide they're no longer willing to die for that one.
>>522548364Trust the plan.
I'm sure the Russians drinking from a puddle and anxiously scanning the sky in the freezing Novermber weather are so happy that Putin chose a 4 year attritional meatgrind to a quick decisive victory.
>>522548364but explain without sounding mad why it is ok for russians to die to destroy ukraine millitary.???
This falls apart when you have frequent videos of Russians performing human wave assaults on unironic ali express golf carts. A country also does not start unretiring vehicles that were taken out of service half a century ago, and are now elaborate deathtraps, for fun.
>>522548531>performing human wave assaults on unironic ali express golf cartsThey blow up the same as million dollar tanks in the drone age. Armor is obsolete, ESPECIALLY when the value of the lives of the dudes inside are worth nothing to begin with. Why protect your troops at all even? There's always more meat.
>>522548531Any honest observer would notice there are plenty of videos of Ukraine getting blown out too. It's still a war.
>>522548364lol fuck karl. he just fought his own kind his entire life. the germans have always historically been extremely okay about being conquered by their own kind. confederated or whatevs, call it what you will. they have usually fought one or two battles and then capitulated when things have started going south. it wasn't until ww1 and ww2 that the germs truly found out what total war really means. and yes, i know, what about the thirty years war n stuff? yeayeayea, i play europa universalis just like the rest of you, fuck off. the thirty years' war was an extreme historical anomality. no one could have predicted that that greasy little fuck martin luther would have come along and fucked everything up like that...
Two Zionists committing genocide of Slavs, premeditated in 1994.
>>522548702drones are proof that the entire internet is all fake now. in the 90's, there were a ton of websites where you could easily learn how to make your own explosives and ied's and shit, but now? nowhere to be found. anywhere. not even on the spooooopy "darkweb". if the internet was still wild n free like a slutty teenager on spring break, a ton of websites would have detailed youtube videos on how to make your own drone bombs and even make it explode with the push of a button.
>>522548364>The goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian military.*of Ukrainian society
>>522548364>4 years later>RUSSIA IS WINNINGembarrassing.
>>522549799
Twenty years from now Russia will begin planning its siege of Kiev and there will still be people here copemaxing that it’s going well for Russia.
>>522548702No they do not blow up the same. There are plenty of videos of drones hitting APCs/Tanks on both sides, where the vehicle isn't disabled or the crew is at least able to bail. Every one of those Chinese golfcart / ATV videos results in a scrapheap with everyone riding in/on the vehicle dead or maimed. >>522548791No doubt Ukraine is suffering serious losses as well. Like you said, it's still a war between to relative peer nations. I just think the OP is trying to push an agenda that does not align with reality.
>>522549944>if you halve the population of your enemy you loseOkie
>>522549700post the instructions then>here are plenty of videos of drones hitting APCs/Tanks on both sides, where the vehicle isn't disabled or the crew is at least able to bail. post them then
>>522548364Russia has said since the beginning the war won't stop until all their objectives are met. If you're winning a war you don't decide to negotiate to end it and give your enemy everything they want. Instead you fight until all your objectives are met since your enemy refuses to meet them for you.
>>522550061Why is Russia negotiating then instead of doing as you say?
>>522550060You are literally posting a video of an abandoned vehicle that was previous mobility killed by a drone / mine, but not outright destroyed. It's possible this particular vehicle was hit multiple times before they were finally able to penetrate the armor, and probably hit the ammo rack, given the turret toss. An unarmored golf cart is immediately a fireball with no survivors if it takes one of those hits.
>>522550125Didn’t Russia offer peace in March 2022 which Ukraine refused? Terms were the same as now
>>522548364>actual rushian shill thread
>>522550192How do you know that?>>522550218Did they? Post sauce.
522550254>spoonfeed meDesperate to get some (you)s, are we?https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/talks-could-have-ended-war-ukraineUkraine chose its path and got to find out in real time
>>522548423Russia didn't exist in 1986, it was the soviet union
>>522550392no, it's just that when some memeflag shitskin makes a claim, I ask how they know that
>>522550254Because you can see that the tank is de-tracked on one side at the start of the video, and the scattered debris / back of the tank being fucked up also implies it was hit by something before this was taken. I don't think you appreciate or understand how much of a difference being able to survive one or two hits like this is for crew survival. I also believe the tank in that video is a T-72, which is notorious for poor compartmentalization between the crew and ammo rack. As a result, turret tossing is EXTREMELY common with this model. A drone fucking one up after multiple hits is not some sort of smoking gun that armor is obsolete. There's a reason why the US, China, and pretty much every other big military player is still producing and improving armored vehicles. If you want to act like you know better than all of these nations, that's your prerogative. I certainly know that if I was given the choice of some sort of tank or a golf cart that doesn't even go that much faster, that I'd choose the tank.
>>522548364>Putin is playing Chess while the West is playing CheckersThen he's fucking shit at Chess.
522550466>I crave for yous!!! submit to my cope folder contents!!!Ermak status? Neo nazi Ukraine status?
>>522550476tl;dr
>>522548364nook ooooook oooook
>>522550591You asked for an explanation, I provided one. It's not my problem reading 2 paragraphs worth of text is apparently seen as a chore by you. But, I am glad you revealed that you're one of those types.
>>522548423>russia-1986-2025.pngPeru was never great.
>>522548364There's almost nothing anyone can do about the Ukraine situation. The established forces in the US are heavily invested in keeping it going, for obvious reasons. They've wanted to fight Russia like this since right after World War II, and they're not getting another chance like they have right now. They probably should have had better messaging from the beginning, and not made it clear that they literally do not care about Ukraine and are just using this to hurt Russia. Somehow hurting Russia is in the US interest - this has never been clearly explained to the public, but that's okay, don't think too much about that. Trump doesn't seem to actually care that much about getting it resolved, we're not boots on the ground so nobody really cares. It's also not as bad as Gaza, where everyone sees the carnage and just wants that to be over. I'm guessing Trump also doesn't want to look weak to Russia. And the Ukrainians (debatably) are still willing to fight, so it's not even worth the political fight here to actually resolve the conflict. It might end up being fought out in the field without any thought given to if Ukraine can actually "win" in a meaningful sense.The US also doesn't even really have a real diplomatic corps. This is a country that spent 20 years of Military and intelligence power trying to identify and network out rag-heads with AKs. There simply is no real US diplomatic corps that could actually work to resolve a problem like the Ukraine war, maybe it's set up like that on purpose, maybe not.
>>522550711>You asked for an explanation, I provided oneI know but I didn't read it as I said.
>>522548522>why it is ok for russians to dieFor the individual soldiers that die, their friends and family, its not okay. But for every one Russian soldier that dies, almost 40 Ukrainian soldiers were killed. For Russia as a whole this is a huge bargain.
522550846>I want to argue without arguing >because I’m here just to spam my victorious retreat contentsErmak status? Neo nazi Ukraine status?
>>522548452He voted for this
>>522548364>interrupting your enemy while they're replacing their population with dipshitsYeah, playing yatzee for sure
>>522549986>Every one of those Chinese golfcart / ATV videos results in a scrapheap with everyone riding in/on the vehicle dead or maimed.Except for those who bail out. And that's the advantage of those things, because you actually can bail out if you notice a drone is incoming. Both sides have also modified cars by removing the doors for this exact same reason.
>>522550777He is technically right.
>>522550891what a fucking nigger lmao
>>522551206I don't see a lot of successful bailouts in those videos. They're still going like 30-40 miles per hour. Jumping off one of those things with 40-60 pounds of gear is probably going to result in broken bones, and you're fucked if it happens to be anything used for walking / running. You're right that it happens, but I still think using those vehicles is a desperation play.
>>522550844>Somehow hurting Russia is in the US interestRussia and China are the only peer rivals the US has. Theres a number of other countries which are hostile to the US, like Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. but only Russia and China are what could be considered "Great Powers". Or at least close to it.If you're ultimate objective is to create a "New World Order" with your clique in control of the entire globe, then its necessary to confront and defeat all rival governments which stand in your war.China is assisting Russia, by helping them weather the sanctions and so on, because China knows that if Russia were defeated, collapsed, and got ZOGified, then they would be next.
>>522548423You're brown.
>>522550891One side is focused on PR and gorespam (Ukraine and NATO), the other side is focused on winning as your graph clearly demonstrates. I am not even a Russia or Putin fanboy, I was just able to recognize this is a lost war for Ukraine back in Feb 2022 and huge waste of time and strategic resources for us. But I guess acknowledging reality makes me a fanboy or apologist of the other side.
>>522550192Doesnt the RPG round create spalling of the armor which shreds the crew and passengers. They always seem to go for the back gate of the APCs
>>522551500Think without bias for one minute. If Russia had a 40:1 KDR ratio, they would have destroyed the ENTIRE Ukrainian military like 5 times over, assuming an extremely generous Russian casualty figure. This is not compatible with reality, where Russia has failed to occupy more than 1% of Ukraine since their initial gains in 2022. It is not compatible with reality, where Russia went from occupying ~40% of Ukraine to ~20% at the start of conflict.
>>522551347>and you're fuckedNot as fucked as you are if a drone hits you. Seems like better odds to me. Plus a lot of this terrain is off roads, in fields and such with a lot of mud. But yeah, a paved road would be bad.
>>522551500They dont care about Ukrainians they just like dead Russians they admit it freely. Ukraine could have surrendered last year and they would consider it a win because they got all that gore saved to "troll" people with like its a competition
Trump has been humiliated by Putin all year. Trump must really want his hands on those ukrainian resources, so much so he's willing to pull his trousers down for it
>>522551416>Russia and China are the only peer rivals the US hasI understand this, to an extent. I do wonder then, why did we ship our entire manufacturing base to China? I guess you could say we did that before we knew that they could actually be a peer competitor. From my perspective, Russia is a third rate regional power with a nuclear arsenal. China has a billion people with an IQ a standard deviation above the US, and we never did a single thing to hinder their progress. The amount of materiel and political resources we used against Russia makes zero sense to me in this context.
>>522551631I think they go for the back because the armor is thinner there. You're only going to get the shrapnel spalling if it successfully penetrates into the crew / passenger compartment. Don't get me wrong, armored vehicles are still very vulnerable to cheapass drones, but the fact they can take a hit or two before bursting into treats is a life or death difference for the people inside.
>>522548364Putin is a moron.He thought he would get a quick victory (which in fairness if worked would have made him seem genius), but what has Russia gained in 4 years.Sacrifice the best of your young male population when your birthrates are already below replacement.Fall further behind China and US when there is an AI race going on that will redefine the future of warfare.Lose Syria, lose Finland and Sweden to NATO. Lose influence in Azerbaijan and Armenia to Trump.Turn your favorite son in USSR into an enemy who will hate you forever.When Putin finally dies, Russia is going to implode.
>>522551647Because it changed from manouver to positional warfare. Large formations of troops and vehicles got wiped even before drones got so numerous and advanced , now its suicide. They have to build drone nets over the roads just to get supplies to the front line in civillian cars. The only thing keeping Ukraine alive is drones and their best drone unit. No one else wants to fight this war
>>522551500>huge waste of time and strategic resources for us.Trump seems to have recognized this, which is why he's cut support and tried to get the sides to negotiate. But Zelensky (a jewish comedian puppet and not an actual Ukrainian) and the (((European Union))) won't have it. If anything EU countries might start sending their own country's troops into this quagmire. Ukraine's pool of manpower is about shot.
>>522551780The Three Gorges Dam is also going to spontaneously combust in two weeks.
>>522551141He really did so idk what else you could really say about it?Despite Russian propaganda or otherwise he really did vote for it.Not only did he vote for it but signed up for it.If you had the choice to shit post from home or get blown up by a drone which would you choose?It ain't even a real war.
>>522551647>Russia has failed to occupy more than 1%You completely missed the point made in OP. You still don't get it, or else you refuse to get it.
>>522551750Which it does. Thats what rpgs are designed to do. Thats why they cover their vehicles with branches and random mad max shit cause they value not being hit at all vs having reactive armor working (i assume the former interferes with tbe latter?)
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>>522551780>Lose Syria Who’s gonna tell him? Also nice recognition of verbal tenses, yandex translator appreciator
>>522548364>Ackshually Russia wants to kill off its most promising youth for tiny chunks of landRetard
Putin is playing Hungry Hungry Hippos, and the west is playing Don't Wake Daddy!
>>522551811>Their best drone unitThat would have been destroyed down to the last man 5 times over if your figures were correct, but somehow they're just constantly in action, and stopping the entire Russian military according to you? Russia took over the entirety of Crimea and some of the separatist regions in like 2 weeks with little to losses. You cannot convince me that only occupying 1% of Ukraine in almost 4 years of WW1 tier attrition warfare is all according to keikaku for Russia.
>>522551982>for tiny chunks of landAnother retard who completely missed the point made in OP.
>>522549905The entire front is like 20 miles deep, that ground was routinely covered in a day in ww2 in literally the same area of Europe. Tanks only seem obsolete because nato and Russia have been pumping every cent into their air forces and this conflict is fought over an area the size of hitlers microdick.
>>522552035>only occupyingNot the point. Do you win a boxing match by controlling the ring? No. You win by knocking your opponent out.
>>522551864Yes, this is all 5D chess by Russia and bashing their heads in with large scale offensive actions to takeover bombed out cities like Povrosk and Bahkmut is definitely to their advantage. Because we all know that the attacker enjoys an advantage when attacking entrenched lines of defense and minefields headon.
>>522548531Why would you want to be in a steel coffin that is far more susceptible to drones than an aliexpress golf cart?
>>522551647I don't think it's 40 to 1 KDR for Russia, maybe 5-10 Ukrainians realistically for every 1 Russian. This doesn't take into account unrecoverable injuries, MIAs, desertion etc. Ukraine has had several mobilizations though and these weren't steady KDRs throughout the whole conflict, hence why Ukraine is still around. But that exchange of bodies graph does illustrate this point in a general sort of way. It doesn't matter though. Even if Ukraine and Russia were 1:1 on the casualty exchanges, Ukraine still loses. The massive factors in Russia's favor are its military industrial power and ability to escalate on its border far better than we are able to. The Russians are massively out-producing not only Ukraine but all of NATO in ammunition and equipment. They've also demolished much of Ukraine's artillery and, even more importantly, air defenses. When the war started, this was a one-way stream in Russia's favor, now it's a one-way flood in their favor. Anyone with even a bit of common sense and understanding of military history could tell where this would end up back in 2022. Too many of our stupid leaders in the West though were euphoric about this war, and now they are more anxious than euphoric. Understandably so.
>>522548364Akchually the point is the destruction of the Russian military and war making capacity. After 4 years of war the Russian has lost 1 million soldiers including all of their trained ones, their entire stock of armored vehicles, all of their missile reserve, taken serious losses to the fleet and air forces, and their commodities trade is being crippled by daily drone strikes. Meanwhile NATO has lost nothing. This is one of the most lopsided actions in the history of the planet
>>522551908>>522551942Lots of the vehicles in play can shrug off RPG rounds, especially if they hit at a bad angle. The ERA and shit you're talking about is for beeifer munitions like TOW missiles and Javelins.
>>522552120People win all the time off points. Floyd mayweather is like 60-0 worth 2 billion and I don’t think he has ever knocked anyone out ever.
>>522552120Two more weeks until mass wave attacks on fortified positions with no air support delivers the "knock out" blow. What a clown you are.
>>522551459since when were monkeys on the internet?
>>522552078Tanks are obsolete because you see them coming 20 miles away and they're dead 2 miles later >>522552182>air defenses I dont know about that, the Russians seem too scared to use their airforce for anything but firing off fabs from their own side of the line
>>522548364The Russians are attempting to advance, and the meatgrinder is Ukraine killing them at a 14:1 ratio.
>>522552241I see. So why don't the ukrainians use them either.
>>522552309Quick math tells me Russia does not have 14x more people than Ukraine. Bad news for russnigeria
>>522552182>Too many of our stupid leaders in the West though were euphoric about this war, and now they are more anxious than euphoric.And the problem is that fiasco that was retreat from Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson made butthurt belters high on their own farts.Though it was a necessary course of action it made an image of victory over Russia in the belter heads.>We just need to escalate a little more and it will happen again!!!
>>522552241>522552120>>522552241Ain't no tank withstanding an artillary shell from a C-130And unless that tank has SAMs it's fucked.
>>522552182The body exchange graph means nothing when Ukraine has been doing defense in depth for a while now. Russia is advancing, albeit it very slowly, it's not surprising they'd be able to recover more bodies. Russia has also been doing additional conscription waves and recruitment drives, so I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think a country 1/3rd of its size engaging in similar actions is. As far as Russian production goes, they better be outproducing NATO, because they're spending 40% of their annual budget on the war effort, and a ton of consumer factories have been retooled for military production. This is the same country that also has to buy shells from North Korea now, and the same country with a MOD responsible for fan favorites like "Embezzle all of the money we were supposed to use to produce 2,000 T14 Armatas by 2020. Oops we only have 50 in 2025". This war is going to go down as the Soviet-Afghan War 2.0
>>522552360Ukrainians do use ERA and even makeshift cages on their vehicles? Am I misunderstanding what you're asking? By the way, would you care to take off the memeflag?
>>522552526There are tons of blueprints for victory over Russia. Crimean war, Russo Japanese war, ww1, Cold War. Defeating Russia is a common occurrence don’t act like it’s unreasonable.
>>522552553I don't think anyone said ERA was going to stop a 105mm shell from an AC-130, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>522552298>I dont know about that, the Russians seem too scared to use their airforce for anything but firing off fabs from their own side of the lineWell, this isn't controversial though. Even the biased DC think tank, the Institute for the Study of War, has been showing the steady attrition of Ukraine's air defenses, month by month. And it's only getting worse.
>>522552035you're really misjudging the objectives and imposing your own arbitrarily. We have seen time and time again that Russia isn't just clinging onto land, they're willing to give it up, if it provides an advantage. And while territory seems to be the major motivational drive for ukraine, at least publicly, it is not so for russia, hence why the majority of peace proposals let Ukraine keep everything except Crimea. Crimea is an entirely different story strategically though.From what we can actively see, it's Ukraine that suffers mass shortages of just about everything, but especially infantry men.
>>522552647In all those cases there was a big (often the biggest at the time) industrial power behind the troops. Nor the Ukraine, neither EU are one.Now only direct involvement from US, China and, (maybe Turkey w/ US support) could shift the course of this shitshow.
>>522552298Your a fucking retardTanks are used like heavy cavalry was used in ancient warfare. They were still doing cavalry charges in the napoleonic era.
>>522552964Exactly there is a clear path. USA stops fucking around (trump probably won’t do this) or EU gets serious and re-arms(currently happening in earnest) EU funding of Ukrainian drone production is more than enough to sustain the war for 2 more years by which time EU countries will be churning out massive war materiel while the Russian economy continues to contact
>>522552957>Majority of peace proposal let Ukraine keep everything but CrimeaNo? At least not any of the ones actually being seriously considered by Russia, who wants Crimea along with Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson. What we have seen time and time again is that Russia is willing to engage in costly human wave attacks with outdated or jury-rigged equipment. The reason why the pictures of those blown out Bradleys and Leopards in a minefield were spammed so much in 2023. It's one of the only times we've seen Ukraine do a headon attack like that, whereas Russia does them all the fucking time, to the point they need to start refurbing tanks and APCs from the 1950s to make up for the losses.
>>522552579>Russia is advancing, albeit it very slowly, it's not surprising they'd be able to recover more bodies. Russia has also been doing additional conscription waves and recruitment drives, so I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think a country 1/3rd of its size engaging in similar actions is.The graph shows disparate exchanges of bodies even when Ukraine advanced in Kursk. >Russia has also been doing additional conscription waves and recruitment drivesNowhere near as many as Ukraine. And one nation is struggling with recruitment and gang pressing civilians off the street and the other isn't. It is obvious. >This war is going to go down as the Soviet-Afghan War 2.0Wishful thinking. But let's talk again in about a year and see where everyone stands.
cavalry charges were a significant feature of the Napoleonic Wars, used by both heavy and light cavalry for roles like breaking enemy lines, pursuing defeated troops, and reconnaissance. While often devastating against broken or unprepared infantry, charges were less effective against well-formed infantry squares or solid bayonet lines. There you go. Tanks smashing into fortified lines is suicide, but in the right situations they are extremely deadly. You fucking zoomers never played StarCraft. There is a counter to everything you cat just spam one unit, tell it to attack and call it a day.
>>522553160I don’t believe the causality numbers in this war are all. I don’t think Russia has lost more than 20,000 lives and the human wave attacks you see are prisoners and shit.The dirty dirty secret of the Vietnam war was that the draft lottery accounted for a very small percentage of draftees. The vast majority of people were sent by draft boards who were basically old vets and community leaders that used Vietnam as a garbage disposal to get rid of societal filth.
>>522553212>Ukraine advanced in Kursk And then promptly left a few months later. You really think they were prioritizing recovering dead Russians when they decided to do a risky offensive maneuver? Bragging about not having the same manpower concerns as a country 1/3rd your size is not the flex you think it is. Russia would not be doing shit like the wagner penal brigades in Bahkmut, or trading economic concessions for North Korean soldiers, if everything was as hunkydory as you claim. This is the same country led by a literal glowie that lied through their teeth in the leadup to the war saying they had no plans to invade and it was all US fearmongering. This is the same government that said the Moskva returned to port under its own power, when it was actually sent to the bottom of the Black Sea. You'll have to forgive me if I take their reporting on conscription / recruitment with a grain of salt. But yes, lets see what happens in a year.
>>522552182Mate for the west this has been a blessing, Russia gets a black eye and all nato loses is old equipment. For the ukies is sucks hard but they ain’t in nato. Trump like a retard is fucking this gift horse up tho
>>522548364>The goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian military.is losing most of the russian military also part of the plan?
>>522553408If you don't think Russia hasn't lost substantially more people than 20k after almost 4 years of near-peer conflict, I don't know what to tell you.
>>522551500There’s currently 50k more confirmed dead Russian. Are you sure Russia is focused on winning and not dying?
>>522553154>EU gets serious and re-arms (currently happening in earnest)It's been almost four years>no 5% GDP spending>no shell production>no drone production>no anti-drone air defense productionIt will be another four years for EU, at the very least, before their MIC becomes an issue for Russia.Here's, for example, a new modification of Pantsir, presented last year. It can be deployed as a static defense tower.
>18 posts of pure /k/opehohols lost
>>522553490The thing is one big advantage for Russia is that the average Russian soldier is a drain on resources in peace time so it’s actually a boon to the state when they die. It would be like if the us army recruited from jails and section 8
>>522553531You most likely got playedI’ve already said I’m not entirely sure but based on reactions from Putin and Russia in general it just doesn’t seem at all like they are losing many people. The only people you get that reaction from are cia retards wannabe cia retards and the alt media.Mass media lies constantly but you can decipher important things. They focus 1000x more time on trumps latest social media post than on a conflict that if the reported numbers are correct would be one of the bloodiest in history
>>522553408> all. I don’t think Russia has lost more than 20,000 livesThere are known 161000 obituaries of Russian soldiers, eight times more than your supposed maximum. You’re a moron
>>522553749The us military is like 1 million active soldiers bro for comparison I have a very hard time believing those numbers
This is the cias racist war above all else. They need to pander to online retards that they are fighting the good fight and getting rid of millions of Slavs.
>>5225517491. China has numbers on the West. In a conflict with China, we strongly need our technological edge and allies to pull off a victory. It's sadly like we're the Germans in WW2 with superior tech and they're the Soviets with massive human wave potential. Keep in mind they're building like a gajillion naval ships every fucking year.2. Dems have always secretly loved China, the same way they secretly loved the USSR back in the 80s. So if it's a long game play that benefits China, they support it.3. Here is where OP is right - Russia kicks off a meat grinder. This ultimately starts requiring occasional high tech equipment and assets to conduct strategic strikes against Russia since Russia has the number advantage. Without these strategic strikes, it's a steamroll. And that makes Euro "allies" shit and piss their pants.4. This meat grinder slowly strains the supply of high tech munitions and supplies, along with straining the treasury.5. Let's give the Israel-Hamas conflict a worthy mention, since we fucking pay for their Iron Dome bullshit.6. Had this kept going on and on, eventually the West would have reached a critical inflection point regarding stockpiles. We simply don't have the manufacturing capability to rapidly produce on demand right now, where as Russians are full blown wartime economy.7. Glance at 1. With our stockpiles not at optimal deterrence numbers because of the meat grinder, China is much more open to make a move. And it could be something much bigger than Taiwain.tl;dr the whole thing sets the stage long term so if we had to fight China they could more easily zerg rush us
>>522553084Which requires speed and the element of surprise to avoid being picked off by weapons that kill tanks effectively and cheaply. That element of surprise is gone, the battlefield is like an RTS with fog of war turned off. Infantry cant even use vehicles to get to assault or defensive positions withih 4 or 5 miles of the contact line, they have to dismount and walk the rest of the way to have any chance of sneaking past the drone wall. Kino armored offensives and tank duels are over for now
>>522553811There are more dead in supposed “gorespam” you’re complaining than your supposed maximum. Maybe that’s why you’re complaining about it
>>522553937Ok zoomie
>>522553627EU only decided to commit this year, after realizing trump was a retard. How many of those panties are operational? Is the pantie a good system? It seems at best it causes debris from shoot downs to set everything it protects on fire. Doesn’t seem we should be worried about it
>>522553154Theres no shortage of drones, theres a shortage of men
>>522553960Putin is actually a competent leader unlike most of his western counterparts. This is a stupid war that they only started because, of his own admission, they were bored. If Russia retreated today they would lose very little except pride. This is not the type of bear trap war that there is no easy exit from.
>522553408Absolute retardation you can see more than 20k dead ziggers from /dzg/ posting alone. This is why goreleaf is necessary. This is why zigger cries that posting TZD is cruelty and reveling in death fall flat. Posting dead ziggers is required to disprove these shill narratives that Russia is militarily competent and taking no losses.
>>522553687We are solving our drug epidemic. Unironically.Fags that distribute to end customer get caught, get 10+ years behind bars.Then they get offered a contract, a lot of them agree to it and are sent to storm troops.>>522553969Somehow Biden would've stopped them from having no trained personnel and combat-ready equipment?
>>522554038Not really. Ukraine is a nation of 40 million people. At current casualty rates they can fight for the next 20 years. Soft cucks raised in comfort really under estimate what a nation can take when survival is on the line
>>522553969>committed only nowyes yes, full power 9000 any day nowlmaoyou’re casually confusing the lack of capability for the lack of will
Do you guys understand how absolutely catastrophic losing 250,000 soldiers is to a modern army? All you get to confirm that info are tik tok videos and cia funded studies.Russia is not behaving at all like a country that lost 250,000 soldiers. I know they are callous to their own people, but there would be some sort of objective proof beyond meme studies.
>>522552639Tanks and APCs. It seems mostly dudes gunning it down the road to their positions past other burned down wrecks in pickups or cars with the doors removed so they'll have a split second more time to bail out before the FPV lying in ambush hits them
>>522554114Are you retarded? Until 2025 EU believes USA would resource their security needs because that has been the status quo since literally 1942, it has nothing to do with Biden. Trump made it clear USA was giving up its position of leadership and would do nothing, hence the start of crash re armament
>>522553937Nah, they're over for nations that can't secure air superiority, which neither Russia or Ukraine has been capable doing so far. >>522553742It is one of the bloodiest conflicts in history, you fucking retard. Weapons have never been as potent as they are today, modern warfare is scary. There are so many things that can kill you before you even know you're dead.
>>522554114> We are solving our drug epidemic. Unironically. Fags that distribute to end customer get caught, get 10+ years behind bars.All commanders in your army are peddling overpriced drugs to soldiers to steal their wages. Your drug, HIV, hepatitis epidemic are only getting worse
>>522554168>At current casualty rates they can fight for the next 20 years. Soft cucks raised in comfort really under estimate what a nation can take when survival is on the linethe year was 2015, hohols have started to suspect something be afootthey say there’s a lot of divisions between USA and Russia right now, and they might be rightme, though? i try to focus on what unites us, not divides usand it seems that both countries support the THD imperative to the last hohol!
>>522554177So are you saying the largest industrial bloc in the world doesn’t have capability or are you arguing no will? My argument is no will until February 2025 and now they have will
>>522554068>Competent leader>Starts a war for no other reason than "he was bored" Do you even read what you're typing?
>>522553960>ukraine says it’s 12000000 ruzzianz>nafo says it’s 50000>but judging by the gorespam it’s 30000000Moral victories, one after another
>>522554226Again, EU has it's own MIC that is yet to replace even a fraction of domestic equipment sent to the Ukraine.I would assume that all European armies lack enough AA to cover their most critical infrastructure (fuel, power, water supply, key government offices).
>>522554387For country with no losses there quite a lot of piles of corpses of their dead
>>522554310>So are you saying the largest industrial bloc in the world doesn’t have capabilityyes, this is exactly what im saying fun note: it took Best Korea two weeks to churn out 1.5mil 155mm shells for basically food and guzzoline it took eu(rope) a year and a half to just admit to falling short of their 1.5mil 155mm shells pledge, nevermind actually fulfilling it
>>522554253Nnonono o no noMy Slav extermination cia bed time stories are REALThe cia would never lie to me ever
>>522553160Ukraine did plenty of mass attacks, usually with half-trained teroboron mobiks.Meanwhile every field source confirms that Russia switched to small unit infiltration tactic since 2023.
>>522554303>pls remember USA and puccia are good friends!Yeah we ain’t gonna forget the Cold War you disengenous faggot. You tried to destroy us and we ain’t gonna let that go faggot.
>>522554310>the largest industrial bloc in the world doesn’t have capability>he says as German industry has been quietly shipped to America and China, leaving Europe unable to produce even a million shells in a yearPeak irony with these shills
They’re all dying and I’ll get a Russian gf and then Stacy will notice me for sure
>>522554445>pls remember USA and puccia are good friends!kek read the room, faglord
>>522551500>>522548364Using the same categories as the US census, Russia is:3% native4.9% Asian0.1% other92% whiteremember America's youth is 47% whiteRussia also has: -TWICE the size of the US (and keeps growing each day)-Almost no public debt. -Very few Jews nowadays (they used to have many, but not anymore)-Much more conservative values-More nukes-Hypersonic missilesand they are actually capable of building high speed trains (they are doing it at the moment).Meanwhile Americans are indebted, fucking OBESE AND UGLY, full of niggers, full of feminazis and Jews, etc.In the long term I see Russia has a much better future than the US, and Americans know it
>>522554420That’s what Russia’s been hinting at but Ukraine still officially has only 43000 dead
>>522554427There’s 3800 confirmed Russian tank losses
>>522553627>Here is one demo model, Russia MIC very strong, бpaт Remember when Russia was supposed to have 2000+ T14 Armatas and 250+ SU-57s with another 300 on the way by now? What? They only have like 20 of each? The company selected for the T14 stole all the money and the Govt had to nationalize them and effectively scrap the entire project, you say? Hmmm.
>>522554427>expect extreme fafo bitch squealing at this post
>>522554445>You tried to destroy usNot really. Ukraine has been hyped as the most potent economy in the Eastern Europe by the time USSR dissolved
>>522554421That’s will not capability. It just takes some will to devote part of the 19 trillion EU gdp to building weapons to rectify which has now happened. The EU absolutely has the resources. The funny part is when it really kicks in orange nigger will be evicted and a non compromised president will resume supply so it will be a twofer
>>522554219Ukrainians use tanks and APCs all the time though? There's new footage of Bradleys doing shit like every week. Is there a reason why you completely avoided my request to remove your memeflag? You know, the thing that only a shill would refuse to take off because it might hurt whatever narrative they're here to push as some sort of neutral party.
>>522554491Ukraine 40k dead, half of the country in rubble Russia 20k dead 15k of those were prisoners and troublemakers CIA desperately doing damage control to cover up spending trillions to kill 5,000 soldiers
>>522554522>a donkey armed with a washing machine is enough to scatter 400000 Ukrainian soldiers into the wildDonkeys aren’t even high tech mind you
>>522554562>That’s will not capabilitygoto1 >>522554177
>>522548364The US still has every advantage and military strength. It's not even a discussion
>>522554562>coulda woulda shouldaAnother theoretical victory for Ukraine, that’s a swift strike
>>522554470My brother in Christ a country that wants to make money doesn’t produce weapons, they are inherently non productive. You only make weapons if you need them to survive. Which Germany now does. Choosing not to make weapons because it’s not profitable doesn’t mean you can’t
>>522548364He's play chess but he's really fucking bad at it.
>>522554424The CIA has infiltrated Russia so thoroughly that they fabricated 160,000 soldier obituaries and nobody noticed? It's really interesting how your super skeptical of anything Western, while you believe Russian narratives without question. It's like... It's like you're doing a sloppy job.
>>522554551WTF does that have to do with your decades long project to infiltrate and subvert our society from the inside and aim nuclear missiles at us from the outside? You are our enemy and have proven that over and over. No one will ever believe or trust you
>>522548364Russia is winning.The Ukraine is losing.Z
Ukraine's military is smaller but far more advanced than Russia. Russia does not have air superiority on their own borders. So yes, it is easy to "prove".
>>522554682>a country that wants to make money doesn’t produce weapons>therefore I deny shady MIC embezzlement stuff the entirety of the world had at least once participated in Eglin is a shade of its former self
>>522554682>im super rich i swears!>$100 in savings>were super industrious and powerful we swears >have no stocks you see where this is going?
>>522554672Rearmament is happening right now. Cope and seethe?
Russia has 1.5 million active troops but they’ve lost 1 million or so my dad works at Nintendo and sayd the numbers are real
>>522554775>our enemyBy what accounts? Ukraine had enormous funding from the USSR cash printing machine, omitting the cultural stuff and industrial development
>>522554651russia has more nukes.just a fact of life.it's been htat way for decades.take the loser pill.>they're also more powerful, faster and they have underwater supercavitating ones too.
>>522554730Zelenski is a Jewish comedian and literal retard Putin is ex kgb and a billionaire
>>522554427>Memeflag posts years worth of losses that amount to ~50 vehicles See >>522554502 and please take off the memeflag. Continuing to post in this thread with a meme-flag is tacit admission that you are a shill. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>522554804>>522554810Oh lord I didn’t realize explained basic capitalism would cause such seethe. Yeah if you don’t live in a corrupt kleptocracy your society generally wants to minimize resources put into weapons. Weapons intended outcome are they themselves are destroyed in the process of destroying something else, so there is never a return on investment or growth expected. Sad that ziggers don’t have this understanding
>>522554814>germ industry got royally fucked >the rest of Europe can’t poop out a batch of shells some malnourished nork dwarves did in a fortnight >but NOW… the THUNDER is COMING… the TIDES are TURNING… AAAANY SECOND NOW…The whole world will rise up and save Ukraine etc
>>522549700i was using a ballistic shooting app about 5 years ago while long range shooting. just needed to get a setting for my first shot then i'd use my eyes. can't find that app anymore.
>>522554608Jesus Christ, you zigger memeflags keep coming out of the woodworks. VPN issues or something? Please take off your memeflag. Refusal to do so is admission to being a shill. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>522554862What does Ukraine having been a part of the ussr have to do with the ussr spending decades trying to destroy the USA? You are a disengenous faggot constantly trying to change topics because you know you are wrong
>>522554814>nowah, now i get your logic >>522554168you weren’t ready then, but you swear you ready for the fight now, and all that hohols need to do to pull this “tall start” of yours is hang on a little bit longerpeak lol, nobody is going to wait for your lacking industry to pick up the pace on its own timing
>>522554909>Europe fails to produce the simplest of goods to satisfy Ukrainian shell demands neither it bothers to address more serious issues, having their industry in a huge downfall after the cheap Russian CBH flow got snipped >somehow Russia is to blame Damn ziggers and their cleptocracy
>>522554878>Dickriding a literal glowieYou couldn't show you were a tourist shill more easily if you tried
>>522554909>im behind because im capitalist pls understand and wait patientlyahahahahahahhahahahahghghghngl, had a good laugh irl
>>522554938>>522554953Might be the same guy btw
>>522554956Please develop a coherent argument. You are not responding to anything and seem to just be regurgitating kremlin shill points
If you guys are following this so closely how many planes has Ukraine shot down serious question I’m interested
Pootin is gay, that's why he's never seen in public with a womanRUSSIA IS A FAGGOT EMPIRE
>>522554938>Ukraine gets fucked by a stick and a stone>cost efficiency ratio is through the roofThat’s not a compliment to Ukraine, have a (you) for that
>>522555035Samefag "no u" accusations might work better if you took off the shill-badge memeflag. But you didn't. Sad!
>>522548364Cope.
>>522555109Please take off the meme-flag so we can figure out if you have dead vatnik cousins or not.
>>522555043this is my berry coherent argument you keep mentioning how (your claim) your MIC is picking up the pace now, which is obviously the straw you grasp for when arguing about lacking wectern supplies to hyhyls, which makes your desire to press hohols into further fighting totally understandable, as it would’ve proven, that you’re capable of sufficient production lateryou aren’t and it wouldn’t have
>>522555043>capitalism is good because it strangles Ukraine, dripfeeding it weapons on purpose You son of a bitch I’m in
>>522554909> there is never a return on investment or growth expectedReally?There is no return on investment on sea ports and natural resource mines?Congrats, that's the dumbest cope I've heard this month.
>>522548364So Russia destroys its own military in exchange for a buffer state's military being destroyed while the west's militaries are fine?
>>522555017>behindEurope produces basic and things like toilets and bread loaves and fuel which are alien to the zigger…they aren’t behind lmao
>>522555144>denounce your anonymity on an anonymous imageboardOnce you stop abusing cheap Chinese llms for fulfilling the 2000 ppd mark
>>522555227no shells thopity
>>522555227>give Ukraine toilets to fight the horde off>act surprised when it fails I’m picking a liking for this guy, should’ve really started with MIC you know
>>522548423>>522548452>>522548522>>522548531>>522549799>>522549944>>522549986>>522550222>>522550490>>522551982Western retards don't understand how to win wars. They only think in terms of map painting, with giant strikes into cities that take a few weeks of combat, which results in most of the enerny getting away and the need to have a huge occupation army that gets hit with terror attacks over decades which erodes morale at horne and ultimately ends with the last remnants running horne with their tails tucked between their legs. Russia didn't just want Ukrainian territory, they wanted to solve the Ukrainian problem, and the way to solve it was to annihilate the Ukrainian people. Kill their men at the front, terrorize the wornen into fleeing the country, eradicate their industry with bombing strikes. This is how you win a war now. This is how you ensure peace for at least 3 generations on your border. Westerners cant conceive of that because they're stupid, sheftered, and delusional.
>>522555148USA supplied Ukraine pretty well even when Biden the cuck wanted to be deescalatory. We could supply Ukraine to a degree that Russia would be pushed back but neither administration wanted to. The weapons and production certainly exist here. Once it became apparent trump wouldn’t even do the bare minimum Europe decided it had to pick it up, which will take 2-3 years to really take effect. Europe giving Ukraine money , with the EU functionally has unlimited of compared to Russia, will prop up Ukraine in the interim. I dunno why this is hard to understand
>>522555245You'd think I just asked you to graverob one of your dead cousins with how adamant you are to turnoff the designated "I am here to shill" feature.
>>522555199There absolutely is an investment on ports and mines. Buying a tank doesn’t develop a port or a mine tho lmao are you stupid?
>>522555370So it’s just 3 more years for Ukraine to finally turn the tides?
>>522555370>pretty well>Biden the cuck wanted to be deescalatoryim sorry i cant anymore
>>522555403Now give me the instructions on welding a golden toilet
no shitwhy bother explaining, some people refuse to get it.
>>522555300Circular argument cuck. You can’t argue that I’m wrong that Europe only decided to re arm in 2025 by claiming that useful economic products pre 2025 weren’t weapons. You really aren’t smart
>>522555441A shill such as yourself would have AI slop on the mind all the time. The flag saar, please do the needful and remove it.
>>522548364Most people still have never heard of attritional warfare. Russians excel at it, beat Napoleon and Hitler with it. They withdraw to extend the enemies supply lines and only fight large battles where the enemy is at a disadvantage. Pokrovsk is another classic case, the supply lines to the city are littered with vehicles and Ukraine keeps sending them. Ukraine can't afford to lose the regional hub because it will become Russia's hub for launching offensives. So Russia is taking advantage of Ukrainian desparation to maximise casualties and supply losses. America isn't supplying aid anymore, Europe isn't taking up the slack, money is getting so tight top officials are facing corruption charges. Russia may win by political means, Zelensky's replacement with a weaker man. Attritional war aims for systemic collapse of the enemy by any and all means, rather than purely military victories. The irony is that many thought Russia would be the ones facing systemic collapse, but instead Ukraine is the one looking shaky.
>>522548364>destruction of nafo forcesRussia knows its fighting nato. New it after the first day of the SMO, and why it can't retreat or stop, because if it does, nato will use that 'victory' as justification for more provocation. And it's obvious from the state of political and economic affairs in every nato member, Russia is winning.
Russia has lost like 8 su35s a handful of su34s and one bomber yet somehow also 1 million soldiers out of an active force of 1.5 million Perfectly consistent numbers nothing to see here.
>>522555410Just 3 more years and Russia will achieve its goals of stopping nato expansion (Sweden Finland lol) demilitarizing Ukraine (military is 5x bigger lol) denazifying Ukraine (is this code for replacing zelensky? He has more unity than ever before) independence for Donetsk and luhansk (annexed by Russia and men sent off to die) yeah call me when Russia is anywhere near its goals lmao
>>522555573>Russia is defeating NATO by throwing their young men into a meat grinder against a non-NATO nation while imploding their consumer economy to fund the war effortYou're retarded, but at least you're not using a memeflag.
>>522555501>jumping from MIC to consumer grade industries >getting surprised at being told the ABCs of economics The only resource with no value whatsoever here are Ukrainians
>>522555637>derpThere isn’t a war economy and a consumer economy. There is only one economy. You spend on guns instead of butter and it always tells. Sorry this cucks you
>>522555637
>>522555590>He's just making shit up now to damage control for the mafioso glowie he idolizes
>>522555537>Ukraine can't afford to lose the regional hub because it will become Russia's hub for launching offensives.LOLLILOLOLOLOLLLtypical German fish out of water in Eastern Europe. Western Europeans think they fight a war in Eastern Europe like back home. There are no “hubs” or whatever the fuck. All the roads are mud and it’s a shitty flat plain that stretches endlessly. Losing cities is meaningless because they hold no geographical importance and you can just drive around and ignore them. There was no real reason for the Germans to conquer Stalingrad other than the name and the general location next to oil. Napoleon knew this because he decided to just go home after conquering Moscow because he knew it was a pointless purely symbolic victory. Look at who controlled that area historically: The Cossacks and mongols. You get a highly mobile aggressive force and you just go wherever. Holding ground in Asia is like holding ground at sea.
>>522555628>sweden finland NATO playground since 1994https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_Peace>military is 5x bigger lolExplains the nuked population pyramid and 400000 deserters then>He has more unity than ever beforeNow we’re speaking pure comedy. It all went downhill from the mighty eu mic to this
>>522555775What’s a 9+10
>>522548364>The Russians aren't going to advance as long as there is some active meatgrinder the Ukrainians are happy to keep throwing troops into.yeah30.11.2025Tanks — 11386 (+5)Armored fighting vehicle — 23672 (+14)Artillery systems — 34740 (+7)MLRS — 1552 (+2)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1253Planes — 430Helicopters — 347UAV — 85851 (+508)Cruise missiles — 4024 (+29)Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 68512 (+49)Special equipment — 4010Military personnel — aprx. 1172860 people (+1160)
>>522555952Ukraine military was 200k pre invasion and now is a million. Shrimple as. NATO was 30 nations and is now 32. Shrimple as.Even ethnic Russians in Ukraine hate Russia now, shrimple as.
>>522548364>witzThe trick is to annihilate your enemy with his army intact so you can incorporate it and sent it to destroy Poland.
>>522556330>no GayTO for hyhyls >demilitarisationwhoops, thanks for playing be sure to ramp up your production faster next timeor dont, you’re capitalist after all, i read its absolutely normal having lagging production when you’re capitalist
>>522551500You are retarded. The Russian side is focused on microscopic gains at the cost of innumerable casualties. The gore footage comes after the massive Russian losses not before it you retard
>>522548364Putin is playing wat (the card game) and trump is eating glue.
>>522556455Who says no NATO? What demilitarization? Are you coping lmao
>>522556541>who says no NATOwe do>demilitarisationyes>you’re coping >t Boris Johnson, circa early 2022
>>522554303Kind of true, like I said its a weird war because there's no pressure on the civillian population. Soldiers dont have the excuse that their wives and children are suffering at home because they're taken care of in Europe. Money and food isn't a problem. There's air raids and power outages but people still go to work, school, restaurants while brutal slaughter continues on the front. The Germans gave up in ww1 before an enemy soldier stepped foot on german clay because they were afraid of mutiny at the front and a revolution back home. The government seems remarkably insulated from this at least it seems so But also no one wants to fight, especially the western ukrainians who hate the people in those territories anyway. Someonee else should fight. But all the hardcore types with the SS tattos and the patriot volunteers are long gone if they didnt get into a safe position. People are being vanned and remarkably sometimes interfering and assaulting the recruiters. Men are hiding at home. Everything is heaped on the shoulders of middle aged men resigned to their fate - maybe thats why this system still works, some young hot blooded types might do something drastic.
>>522556601do you have the numbers on how many nato troops russia has killed?russia has maybe 50k losses, so i guess nato has lost about that many too, right?
>>522556479>innumerableThey're very small. Much more people die from food poisoning or cold
>>522555631>nafo troon thinks people believe (((her))) garbageNo one with an iq over 80 thinks Ukraine is fighting Russia on its own. Ukraine getting a $trillion in military and financial aid since the war started, and getting endless nafo aid since 2012 (including but absolutely not limited to Canadian military training azov battalions before 2014, and up to 2022, and where Canadian soldiers are still fighting and dying to this day), means Russia is fighting NATO.And winning. With 1/10th the man power expended, and less than 1/10th the budget.Cope more. I'm sure we can expect more video footage of war crimes from nafo now.Fucking retards, but what can you expect from people who think cutting your dick off makes you a woman.
>>522556541The winning side of the conflict says no NATO and military neutrality.You don't know what demilitarization means? Check the army size limits imposed on countries like Germany, Austria and Hungary after WW1. Hungary got uppity first and got put down like a rabid dog by Romania. Germany got uppity after and got put down like a rabid dog by the Russians.
>>522556330>ethnicAnyone can be Russian. There's no "ethnic".
>>522556115>Military personnel —Below 200k. Most of them are volunteers.
>>522556601No one in nato care what a zigger thinks. Our alliance was specifically formed to oppose you. Demilitarization was a complete failure the UAF is far larger stronger and more resilient than before
>>522555590Because they only use them for long range FABS from the russian border and shooting down other missiles and drones . Similar to the ukrainians. Airpower loses to AA and no one wants to lose their expensive planes and pilots
>>522556330Sweden and Finland were nato playground since 1994. Shrimple as. Ukraine has to kidnap people to force them into army. Shrimple as.Ethnic Ukrainian refugees, which are estimated to be around 23 million in numbers, aren’t planning to return, shrimple as. What’s up with the EU MIC that will save Ukraine doc? Maybe even a NATO membership for Ukraine y’know
>>522556663>more than a million people die from the cold or food poisoning in RussiaAhahahahahahahahaha the ABSOLUTE STATE
>>522556735>he actually played into the nato membership lineI’m starting to suspect a fellow Kremlin FSB shill camaraderie here
>>522555085There's a vid of him with 2 escorts in a hotel room but no one cared and people were more interested in who put the hidden camera there and why
>>522548364Who's to say the West allows the takeover of Ukraine by Russia? NATO forces roll tanks over the border of "Ukraine" and add the landmass to Poland which is a NATO member. Poland becomes the recipient of all Ukrainian aid going forward, along with actual NATO troops, and Putin seethes and shits himself and then dies of old age. Ukraine is gone, Russia gets their shithole states, and who knows what happens after Putin dies? Maybe Poland makes a land grab and kicks all of the Russians out of former Ukr territory?
>>522556675Lmao Russia literally surrendered to Germany. Did you memory hole that? Did you delude yourself into thinking there was an army limit on Ukraine (there isn’t just in case ur retarded) oh and Russia lost the moment they turned tail and fled Kyiv
>>522556878>Russia lost the moment it succeeded to drag Ukraine into the war of attrition Anon, I swear to God
>>522556784Okay so any country that has a military relationship with nato is nato? Boy you really are fucked including your precious CSTO you literally admitted to being cucked by your own boys kek. Gonna need a source on over half of Ukraine being refugees lmao sounds like some TASS bullshit. Your copes are getting more and more desperate. Russia played its hand and went bust now you are just throwing money away lmao
>>522554598I prefer to have discussions based on the content of the post and not give other people the easy low effort out of doing ad hom attacks on the posters flag which always gives burgers a distinct advantage. You'll have to take my word for it that im not Russian or Ukrainian
>>522556941Swear what? Miring Russia into a years long war of attrition is somehow bad for NATO? Are ya retarded son?
>>522556988Don’t be a flaggot then. You will never be taken seriously as a meme flaggot
>>522556978I’ll spoonfeed you the googleable stats once you redpill us on the hidden potential of EU MIC that fails to show up for the fourth year in a row
>>522555537>Ukraine is the one who keeps sending themTrying to argue that all the destroyed Russian vehicles are actually Ukrainian now?Explain how many logistic hubs Russia has in Bakhmut?Oh right none because there's no buildings left intact to use for logistics.
>>522557103>I’ll provide historical data once you provide data from the futureBiggest shill award
>>522557055I dont care, my flag is irrelevant to my opinions on tanks. It seems the more anonymous the board is the more anons especially americans are desperate to glean any info at all on others so they can default to flag bashing etc which they always do always.
>>522557235It’s not tho. Your masters orders are very relevant to what you are posting
>>522548364>Putin is playing ChessHe still can't figure out how to move anything but pawns and he's lost most of his other pieces already30.11.2025Tanks — 11386 (+5)Armored fighting vehicle — 23672 (+14)Artillery systems — 34740 (+7)MLRS — 1552 (+2)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1253Planes — 430Helicopters — 347UAV — 85851 (+508)Cruise missiles — 4024 (+29)Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 68512 (+49)Special equipment — 4010Military personnel — aprx. 1172860 people (+1160)
>>522552182Ukraine never had 5 Ukrainians for every 1 Russian soldier since 2023
>>522556878>LmaoConvincing. Didn't read the rest of your tranny cope.
>>522557021We went from having multi-million dollar drone killing missiles to having an entire assembly of the cheapest drone killers money can buy. They work well too, we got the Ukrainians to test them for us for free. Russia's spending billions in gold bullion buying Iranian drones and factory equipment, and now we're killing them with missiles that cost half as much. The Russians have underage schoolgirls assembling their shaheds and we have Jamarcus from the temp agency doing it for slightly less money.
>>522557308>reported by AFU>AFU inflates at least 10 times their numbers to keep goy money flowing in Zlenensky's pocketsMust be real.
>>522557335I suspect you live off kremlin cope
>>522557335>RomaniaGypsy coming in hot every time.
>>522548364>Can you prove that this isn't happening?>Can you prove a negative?
>>522557371More real than the kremlin shit you spew
>522557335Imagine the seethe require to not only write but submit this post lmao.
>>522555354You clearly don’t understand war if you think annihilating armies is how they are won
>>522557412>I suspectAnd I know you're the jeet with Irish flag that spams /pol/. What now?>>522557416>nigmerica>can't save the Ukraine from rapeYou must feel quite impotent seeing how Trump tries to get his ass out of this debacle because Russia already won.
>>522557534A jeet is it? I thought they were all getting turned to mud in the russian army?
>>522557464>according to a fucking jeet infesting IrelandBeliebabble.
>>522553588There's 150k confirmed with names by now
>>522557582>I thought>thoughtBig words for a primate with the smallest brain cavities on the planet and IQ lower than niggers.
>>522557308You expect me to believe that in a war where tank engagements involve only 3 tanks at a time at most, Russia somehow blew through 11k of them?
>>522557642Isn’t it 12000000 per AFU
>>522557642500k Ukrainian deserters according to Ukrainian officials.Of course many are written off as deserters / AWOL so their families won't receive a dime, but I wonder how many of these 500k will participate in the invasion of Poland after they switched sides. I think 100k is a legitimate number.
>>522557685It's 12 billion actually.
Russhits always say >to the last ukrainianthey don't understand with that mindset it will also be>to the last russians
>>522557165Didn’t you base your assessments on the current EU MIC capabilities? Economic forecasting is a thing you know
>>522557787Did you see those people getting vanned on the streets of Moscow and being pushed into the trenches without training?Me neither.
>>522557304You might find this hard to believe but you're not important enough to your master for someone else to pay an anon to argue with you or convince you of anything on a Sri Lankan bread leavening image board
>>522557831At some point you will run out of people who you can pay to fight your wars, and then you will switch to vanning them
>>522557905For Russian men laying their lives for their Motherland is a privilege and honor.NAFO's real problem was not understanding its enemy.
>>522557837>n-n-no you I wear my flag with pride. Instead of making non sensical arguments just have pride in yours. Hiding it only makes you get discarded without consideration
>>522557534What do we care about Ukraine? Americans just wanted to kill Russians. Ukraine was happy to use our weapons to kill and maim a bunch of slavniggers on our behalf. Money well spent. We figured out how to do it cheaper, because a Russian man's life isn't worth all that much.
>>522558012That's what they tell their peasants to fight their imperial wars. But if you look at it closely you will see it's not worth it all, at least if you value human life. They sacrificed nearly 500k people and suffered 700k casualties on top of that just to get what? 10% of Ukraine? It's a fucking joke. Russians don't even respect themselves and you expect me to respect them?
>>522554481Chill down, Ahmed>TWICE the size of the US (and keeps growing each day) About 1/4 in populated surface >-Almost no public debt. Homeless people have often no debt. Debt is a sign that someone trusted you to pay back at some point. >-Very few Jews nowadays (they used to have many, but not anymore) All of them controlling strategic companies. Plus, Shelomov. >-Much more conservative values Explain AIDS >-More nukes With no upkeep. They spend less on that than the UK, France or China, which have ~300 warheads each. >-Hypersonic missilesALBMs >and they are actually capable of building high speed trains (they are doing it at the moment). Assembling parts from China doesn't count >Meanwhile Americans are indebted, fucking OBESE AND UGLY, full of niggers, full of feminazis and Jews, etc. Same in Spain, you better go back to trad based Marrakech >In the long term I see Russia has a much better future than the US, and Americans know itOr Russia, you can move to russia
>>522557730>participate in the invasion of PolandWatch my sides split into orbit. Does Russia have a death wish? NATO will get involved and it doesn't matter if you have 20 million Chinese "volunteers" backing your push into Europe, it's going to be more for the meat grinder.
>>522557582Indians vs Philippinos who wins
>>522558066This. We both get what we want. The thing alliances are made of. Ziggers cannot into allies so they wouldn’t know
>>522548364>if I lose 1 million and the enemy 0, I winOk retard-saar.
>>522558121I tried bringing this subject on /chug/ of how shitty their alliance with China and Iran is shit compared to Ukrainian-Western alliance, and they all coped by saying alliances don't exist in the real world lmao
>>522558066>What do we care about Ukraine?Mask off, Ukraine under the bus.>Money well spent.You mean embezzled by Zelensky and his acolytes.>>522558101>if you value human lifeLife is short and full of shit. The glory of Russia is eternal.>They sacrificed nearly 500k people and suffered 700k casualtiesSmall losses, they lost about 20 million in WW2 and still won.>10% of Ukraine?It's less than that. Maximum 5%.
>>522558113>NATO will get involvedBiden said that NATO and US will defend Ukraine as if it's part of NATO.You already proved your fighting capacity.
>>522549905>Compared to the worst attrition war in human history, the Russians are actually doing okay!Now compare it to what happened when the Wehrmacht invaded Ukraine. Or if you can’t stop sucking Russian cock for even a second, when the red army took Ukraine back.
>>522558242We sent Ukraine weapons, not just money. Also, those are Euros, we use real money. We send Ukraine weapons, Russia no longer has a functioning air force. Russia's S-300 and S-400 were destroyed easily. We got to watch while we got more return than Christian Children's fund. They'd only send us a picture of a starving African child, we got videos of dying slavniggers. I'm amused.
>>522558265Poland is a member of NATO, gypsy.
>>5225582973 totally different types of wars. No military not even the US would do any better, its not iraq
>>522550844>They've wanted to fight Russia like this since right after World War II,The US pivotted from russia bad to china bad 20 years ago. Russia were butthurt becasue nobody gave a shit about them anymore, were happy to trade with them so so demonstrated their strength with a 3 day special operation.
>>522558363>We sent Ukraine weapons, not just moneyYeah, I saw those Javelins on the black market getting sold to terrorist groups and drug cartels.Not to mention that Russians literally bought your weapons from corrupt Ukrainian officers then analyzed the components, strengths and weaknesses of your systems.>we got videos of dying slavniggers.I thought Russians are Mongols. You were amused by videos of dying Ukrainians?
>>522558112If the west wasn't afraid of Russian nukes they wouldn't baby step aid to Ukraine from bulletproof vests and medkits
>>522558036>I wear my flag with prideHow new are you to this board and its culture, mykola?
>>522556859Umm, that's Trump, always has been. Nice gaslighting and reimagining of the world there, (((kike))).We can't possibly hate you enough.
>>522558405Yeah, but they are slavniggers too and next on the chopping block for your personal entertainment and amusement.NATO can't do shit. If you could do something you would've put boots on the ground and would've sent more equipment to Ukraine but you didn't.NATO is as strong as Israel's Iron Dome against Iranian missiles.
>>522555370PHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAADavid the retard on /pol everyone
>>522551416>Russia and China are the only peer rivals the US hasRussia is not a peer rival, they are about as much of a rival as north korea.China is potentially superior to the US.
How many more years of this war until shills just can't cope anymore? 2? 3? The beating of a dirt-poor next-door neighbor is starting to take longer than the entire WW1
>>522558516The weakness of the javelin is it costs too much money. Russia and China already got Javelins from Afghanistan so it's not like Russia had any interest in these ones. No, the Russians are slavniggers. The Chinese are mongols.
>>522556878What in the holy Fuck are you delusional trans retards being fed in the bot farm these days? Russia surrendered to Germany? Not in the last 100 years you fucking troon. Jesus, it's getting bad.A person can't tell if they're dealing with a mentality I'll subhuman, or a program written by a mentally ill subhuman. Cleansing fire when?
>>522558590Why waste money or human lives? We got to weaken Russia for a few billion dollars. LMAOWe spent billions, the Russians spent hundreds of billions and lost most of their tanks and useful aircraft. They even lost the Moskva, LMAO and a submarine. You couldn't ask for a better result.
>>522557308You're as Irish as a fucking kike, which, if you were Irish, you'd know are mutually exclusive.Pogroms when?
>>522558579Its just prostitutes who cares. Rich and powerful men just wanna take care of business sometimes without being honeytrapped
>>522558621>China is potentially superior to the US.Only on paper. In reality, Chinese are unused to war, and America fights wars against numerically superior opponents every time. If a China-USA war escalates into attrition, the Chinese will lose.
>>522548364>take as much time in a war as possible, wasting many resources in a grinder rather than quickly concluding itSun Tzu
>>522558654Javelins were sold to drug cartels and terrorists, Russians captured many weapon caches containing Javelins and nobody said it's something out of the ordinary.The cruise missiles were of interest and Russians got their hands on them intact from Ukrainian officers. They showed the disassembly and components of intact ordinance which was clearly bought from Ukrainians.Also burnt Abraps displayed in the Red Square with dead nigger inside still smelling.
>>522558036And how many posts have you made complaining about the state of your country? Face it you still have that genetic consumerist boomer sense of superiority over other countries because you have bigger cars and richer billionaires no matter how bad things get. You're like a battered wife who fights the cops when they show up to the noise complaint
>>522558775Javelins are only useful against armor, and what do cartels need them for? They require expensive maintenance and have to be refurbished periodically. What are they going to do with a javelin, blow up a Mexican armored troop carrier?
>>522548364Its Hegseth and Trump were lucky they havent invaded us in a russian doll trojan horse style.>top comes off the Trump statue>drones erupt like locusts.>Tchaikovsky starts playing
>>522558857I'll ask my friends from the Cartels and let you know what they need them for.Meanwhile let's focus more on the fact that your proxy fucked you over from day 1, lied about the enemy death toll and destroyed equipment, embezzled your money, sold your equipment on the black market to terrorists and drug cartels then they didn't even say thank you.
>>522558857Militants were using ATGMs to snipe Syrian troops during the war all the time. Not very cost efficient but there it is
>>522551982They're sending literal convict volunteers in dude
>>522558968It's like Akmed with his RPG-7, and he's pointing it at a hostage's head. The fuck do you need that for Akmed?Javelins are very expensive to produce and were cold war attrition weapons anyways, we've since developed much cheaper methods for dealing with enemy armor. The Ukrainians were just clearing out old inventory for us, and now we have things like Coyote drones and VAMPIRE which are a fraction of the cost of a javelin
>>522559412>we've since developed much cheaper methods for dealing with enemy armor.Like what
>>522559412Americans can't fight. Simple as. Even poorly equipped forest boys railed your ass. Just stop and think about it.
>>522559495You're retarded if you honestly think this, our K/D ratio in Vietnam was overwhelmingly in our favor. We killed millions of them, they killed 50k of us. Think about it memeflag
>>522557532>You clearly don’t understand war if you think annihilating armies is how they are won
>>522559412You may have thought I was conversing with you but my posts were for other Anons to read.Now that the thread reached bump limit and is heading to page 10 I lost interest.
>>522559660They can copy whatever they want, it's just why though?Javelins were meant to defeat old T-72s and stuff like that with a good cost for performance.We developed rockets in the $35k range that can M-kill a T-72 while being fired from a pickup truck.
>>522558526It only takes one to work to turn a city into the average Russian town. Nobody wants that.
