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>>522556603Ape like populations.
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>>522556603Shia Sunni Kurd conflicts
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>>522557409they are both based around the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, there isn't much other available water sources in the desert. Iraq's border stops at the Zagros Mountains in Iran. Its southern border stops at Kuwait's coastal claim with a small part for sea access where the Euphrates and Tigris rivers end at Basra. Syria's border goes from Lake Tiberias near Damascus, curves around Mount Druze then a line to the Euphrates river, another line to the Tigris River where it ends at a tripoint. Turkey's southern border is the Turquoise Coast then a mostly straight line through the Southern Anatolian region to the Zagros Mountains which also forms Syria's northern border.the borders are based on geographical features rather than ethnicities although they often coincide with each other.
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>>522559632Shias emanate from Persia, in Iraq ending at the Euphrates River where Baghdad is. they also curved through Turkey's eastern anatolian region as Alevis into Syria's Latakia coast then down into Lebanon.Sunnis emanate from Arabia, mostly Egypt as nomadic beouins before the Suez Canal and Israel cut them off. Syria and Egypt tried being the same country for a short time replicating the old caliphate unity the whole region used to have.Kurds also emanate from Persia settled in the Zagros Mountain range. A substantial proportion of them were Christian, Jews and Pagans (Yazidis) hence their split from Arabs and Iranians but not anymore.
>>522556603That region of the world is inherently fucked because of the environment favoring certain personality types that are not compatible with stability. Their next big war is going to be a water war btw and it's going to result in mind-boggling amounts of casualties.
>>522559863>but not anymore.Are they dead or converted now? or did they become secular? what happened to them?
>>522559863There is a strong possibility Yazidis were simply just Zoroastrians (fire worshippers) and kept the religion hence their seclusion but both are pretty much extinct now. Yazid was the Sunni Ummayad Caliph who killed Husain ibn Ali, Muhammed's grandson and the Shia figure who caused the Shia-Sunni divide, so identifying themselves Yazidis would separate them from Shias who tried to eliminate old pagan Zoroastrian practices and assimilate them into Shi'ism. Doubtful whether this would give them favour with Sunnis instead as they were still isolated, so its main function as simply to separate themselves from Iran leading to them being exiled in Iraq and Syria.
>>522560056Jewish Kurds were all airlifted to IsraelYazidi Kurds were almost all killed by ISIS. Tere weren't that many to start with even by the start of Syria's civil war. They were more relevant in the 19th century when most of our knowledge and texts about them came from.Christian Kurds are like Christian Arabs, elusive with nobody knowing where they are but we know they're around because of their churches. Probably Lebanon, Armenia, and the west.
>>522556603It's weird that all of those problems began with the involvement of the jews. How long have the Ottomans held that region under relative stability?
>>522560388during the Ottoman reign airplanes didn't exist. This was also the factor that led to them losing WW1, they didn't know how to handle being attacked from the air. This keeps happening with muslims (ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran)
>>522559920Syria is the Levant and Iraq is Mesopotamia (in Arabic, Bald al-Rafidun, "Land of the two Tributaries", or rivers, the Euphrates and Tigris). Althrough the Euphrates also goes through Syria its centre is around Damascus and the Levantine coast. Majority of both countries is plain desert which is why they're so big.Meospotamia is the name of the region but the old pre-Islamic kingdom there was called Babylon centred around its capital of the same name, also called Babel meaning Door of God (Bab-El). Its current day location corresponds to Baghdad which has a similar name but from old Persian, Bagh (God or Garden) Dad (given). Baghdad being one of the few fertile areas in the region due to its location on the Euphrates River but its precarious surroundings always giving it a sense of inevitable collapse as mentioned in the Bible and Talmud. Curiously Damascus also has a similar etymological meaning as Baghdad, the Syriac name meaning "Fertile land" but without the implicit biblical collapse narrative although it does have as islamic one being the location of Jesus's re-appearance and a final refuge for Muslims at the end of time in hadith. Christians expect Iraq to collapse whereas Muslims expect Syria to collapse.
>>522561174*Baghdad is on the Tigris River, not the Euphrates. Easy to confuse the two because that's what Mesopotamia means.
>>522561174Syria and Iraq's border are defined by their meeting points at the Euphrates and Tigris river which Syria's ending at a corner tripoint between the three countries (Syria, Iraq and Turkey). They can't be one country because Iran has claims to Iraq so it would give them claims to Syria and the Levantine coast and then to Europe and Egypt too leading to a renewed Abbasid, Fatimid or Sassanid Caliphate. Persia has ruled Egypt before so Syria and Iraq being separate protects Egypt as if Israel didn't already do that already.
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>>522556603Cuz they wanted to be white and got what they deserved—fucked by the white devil. Go white, get the blight
>>522561535Syria's foundation as a modern republic started with them forming a union with newly founded Egypt as the United Arab Republic (1958 - 1971). This solidified Syria's separateness from the also newly founded Iraq republic after they overthrew their newly installed Hashemite monarchy. The failure of the Yom Kippur against Israel by all the Arab nations and them obtaining nuclear weapons led to the collapse of the United Arab Republic union and further split up their nations into deeper isolation leading to the reigns of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Bashar al-Assad in Syria, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, the coup in Iran, Turkey stayed out of it as a NATO member so they have had a relatively stable democracy the whole time although some periods of their own conflicts with the Grey Wolf Republicans and PKK that also later spilled into Syria and Iraq.
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>>522556603Have you not seen the history of Islam? Their had civil wars since 656.
>>522556603Brits drawing arbitrary lines on a map fucked up the whole middle east.
>>522562282Have you not seen the history of Christianity? Their had civil wars since 1AD.
>>522562432Before the lines ere drawn and Arabs given their own state, they were ruled by Turks. This will happen again if you get rid of the lines. Or Iranians will rule them. Arabs go back to 700 AD because of the Quran for the perfect time they ruled everything, but it's not practical or even really based on reality. I have explained why the lines were chosen.Iran has claims to Iraq and would have claims to Syria to the Levant coast if the borders were removed. ISIS did remove them based on messianic fundamentalist interpretations and what happened? Immediately replaced by Persian (Shia) overlords. There is a constant play between Shias and Sunnis which is why they're both still Muslims.
>>522562686Syria also just overthrew their Shia overlords (ISIS won?) and what happened? Turkish help and overlords. Syria is Turkish, Iraq is Persian. Still different countries.
>>522556603This clip may explain a lot:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gpxD5jyAc
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>>522556603Without some whites dressed up as arab-fags ruling them, they have no capacity for civilization. Too busy dreaming about Big Zutt Cock.
>>522562686Drawing lines is fine, but you should have considered ethnic makeups instead doing what looks pretty on a map.
>>522559609>>522559632the eastern region of Jordan bordering Iraq is called the Badia Region, specifically North Badia. this was created as a buffer between Syria and Saudi Arabia. Jordan as a Hashemite monarchy (and previously Iraq) were meant to be play a go-between all the different factions in the region.
>>522564411it's not ust ethnicity in that region, there is the Shia Sunni religions. Shias and Sunnis are often the same ethnicity but still refuse to be listen to the other for theological reasons, that was the Syrian civil war. different languages too, they literally can't understand each other. Kurdistan as a state would have no sea access or even any trade partners and it would be contested between Turks and Arabs. Arabs who complain about borders also really hate talking about Turkey or Iran, their brains 404.
>>522562148as can be seen by satellite, the Badia region is simply the Jordanian desert. the border line also corresponds to the vague elevated mountainous regions, though they can't really be called mountains, just highlands so Jordanian Highlands.
>>522564895Petra is carved into the rocks in the Jordanian Highlands
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>>522564762Turkey would also not surrender any Anatolian territory which as I've explained is the Turqouise Coast then a straight to the Zagros Mountains which also makes up Syria and Iraq's northern border. that was already drawn by Turkey and where most of the conflict still lies (eg. Aleppo). blaming Brits for the southern border which is actually the most peaceful (with Saudi Arabia and Jordan) is lazy.
>>522562512Christianity had not even formed yet in 1AD, idiot. Jesus would habe been 6 years old, idiot. His ministry didn’t start until he was 30, idiot.
>>522565133after the civil war, Kurds have established an ethnic border at the Euphrates river. forgetting Turkey, would Syria give up eastern part of their country to Kurds for "ethnic cohesion"? fuck no, they like the drawn borders.
>>522556603having too much (easy to get) oil at peak industrial revolution, the saudis were down to play ball since they were just desert bandits and not nations
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>>522556603to answer the initial question>first coups: replace Caliphate Turkish rule with Arab monarchies>second coups: replace monarchies with socialist republic in line with communismthird coups: islamist-liberal youth revolts either organic or imposed>fourth coups: islamists overthrown and replace with ethnic block democracies, sometimes with new pseudo-borders drawn
>>522556603so Israel can get an easy pathway to greater Israel. they cannot allow a competent stable country to stand on its feet
