Why do the leaders of countries have too much pride to do what is in the mutual benefit of all parties? If China and Taiwan simply accepted each other's legitimacy, and that they have been seperate nations for going on 100 years, they could begin to work more closely together and this would be a MASSIVE benefit to both of them. Taiwan would benefit from increased trade with a neighbor that is close to them and culturally the same as them, and they would no longer have the looming threat of the second most powerful military in the world invading them. For China, it would be a huge economic and strategic gain to not be at odds with the country that produces all of the highest tech computer chips in the world. If anything, I think a strong partnership between China and Taiwan is something the west fears and I wouldn't be surprised in glowniggers are out in force in China to make sure that tensions do not decrease. It would also be a huge soft power victory for China to demonstrate that, unlike the US, it is absolutely not a warmongerer that goes and invades other places for no reason. It would be hard to keep up the pretense that China is somehow a world villain without their constant threats of invading Taiwan.Of course, if China did invade Taiwan, it's very possible that ASML would just stop shipping chip making machines to their FABs, but surely there is enough knowledge in Taiwan by now that if they partnered with China, they would be able to become more independant in this field, maybe even create a new standard for chips that throws off the western dominance over them.But no, they'd rather just bark at each other for decades until they have a fruitless brother war that will destroy both countries and make them no better than putlerniggers and zeleskike drones.
>>522567585Niggers.
because asians have this retarded concept of saving face rather than getting shit doneone post answers your question, bong. They refuse to accept shame for something they've done and will go to any lengths to avoid even percieved shame. They're mentally retarded.
>>522567585Kinda ironic coming from the UK given the situation in Ulster
Taipei isn't recognized as a country by the UN or your own country
>>522567585>If China and Taiwan simply accepted each other's legitimacyThe rest of the world would be happy if China quit being a belligerent sandy little butt hole, but the Chinese lack the capacity. The west would have no need to "box them in" if the Chinese followed international law. The Chinese are too proud to follow anyone's laws but their own.
>>522567585imagine your country being taken over by violent communist that purge you culture and education, and your government forced in exile in fucking Lerwickyou'd think they would let go their claim on the british isles
>>522567585Luckily chinks have a ridiculous culture of saving face so that'll never happen
>>522567837The ROC is recognized as a country by everyone on this planet with a brain. It meets every metric and is by all standards and means a country, even if it's not officially recognized. Taiwan has relations with most other countries, and the only reason they're not official relations is the PRC will throw a fucking tantrum. Try and take it, and see who recognizes it as a country.
>>522567808People in Britain (the island) don't give two shits about Northern Ireland and would gladly give it to the Irish, but the residents themselves have no desire to do so save want to remain part of the UK so we're stuck with them.
>>522567840You're about to start another war muttoid goblin
>>522567918No bitch nobody recognizes taipei as a country except some shitty pacific islands
>>522568013blow your brains out chinkoidi rape women on your mainland and hand cops red enevelopes to make them go awaykill yourself
>>522567958>>522568013>WEEAWOOtry and take it pussy, you won't. Memeflag you are from Israel or Pakistan which is it?
>>522568079Your country doesn't recognize taipei as a country muttoid abomination
>>522568163Sure it does. You're stupid if you think otherwise.
>>522568220No bitch your country has no official relationships with taipei muttoid fuck
>>522567585Throughout the last century, ROC consistently militarily threatened PRC, suppressed it internationally, and clamored for “Counterattack the mainland”.Now the tables have turned, and they’ve started advocating for peaceful coexistence.Is there such a bargain in the world?
>>522568320You should understand the nuances of we consider China to be one country with Taiwan as a part of it, we don't much care if one country has two governments, or even if the CCP ceases to function and the RoC governs the entirety of China, buttmad chink. "No official relations" we have unofficial relations with them, it's just so hard to appease your retarded CCP government anymore and keep them from attacking their neighbors, even a sovereign country like Taiwan. Taiwan is a de facto state regardless of what China thinks, and if the PRC tries to attack Taiwan the PRC is going to get nuked over it.
>>522568334The only peace going forward is for your retarded government to acknowledge Taiwan's sovereignty.
>>522568512Your vocal defecation doesn't matter bitch. The USA and the UN don't officially recognize taipei as a country. Cry about it.
>>522567585Naive. China cant accept Taiwan since Taiwan exists solely to be bomb on China`s side to create a constant source of instability. Similarly how west used Ukraine. Taiwan would long be a peaceful part of China, even retaining most of its independency if not for west.
>>522568637unofficially we do, and it does matter. Otherwise, the PRC wouldn't be threatening Taiwan every day. It obviously matters. We sell them weapons just like we would any sovereign country that is an ally of ours. We don't sell the PRC weapons. Get mad, Wumao, I hope we nuke your backwoods shithole city.
>>522568592Your cuck government doesn't dare to establish diplomatic relations with ROC, and even helps us replace them in the UNSC lmao.
>>522568756We already have them lmao. Our leaders go to Taiwan all the time. The Chinese get hemorrhoids over it but the CCP doesn't do anything about it because they'll get nuked. QQ wumao
>>522568730>"in all but official recognition I am a country" Kek taipei is the tranny of countries. Kinda fit with that shithole that worships westernoid mutts.
>>522568921>Dis is a China finar warning, no not come our Taiwan we war you! no come here no wercome here! Chinese all pee sitting down, no balls to get in the way.
>>522568320Based Paraguay.
>>522568730Then why havent you recognized taipei as a country yet bitch? Can you explain that?
>>522567747Extremely accurate. I'd say there's also a trust issue since they're belligerent neighbors with an history but money can fix that easily, they're saving face
>>522569066Because the Chinese are stupid enough to believe us when we say we adhere to one china. Yes, but one China under the RoC's leadership, with all the CCP niggers in mass graves.
>>522567585Why would China have to accept anything? Taiwan is theirs, they are not surrendering anything, especially not for western kvetching.
>>522567840>The rest of the world would be happy if China quit being a belligerent sandy little butt hole, but the Chinese lack the capacity.Says a country that bombed Iran, armed Ukraine and is planning to invade Venezuela.Look Amerifat, you need to hang yourself today.The world will be much better without your fat ass.
>>522569160You're gonna seethe impotently when taipei reunites with china peacefully. No actually your country probably won't even exist anymore when that hapoens. Enjoy niggers fucking your women mutt.
>>522567918>every metricGive me one metric which proves Taipei is a country and does not also prove that the US Confederate was a separate country.
>>522567747You say that about jeets too. Let's be honest, cucked Whites are the only ones with no honor culture.It's why you are slowly dying.
>>522569303>eternal buttmad Spaniard or VPN chink nigger, who knows>>522569362Peacefully isn't going to happen. No Taiwanese alive is stupid enough to think the Chicoms will treat them well.
>>522567585In China, there is a ridiculous idea that whoever destroys the previous dynasty becomes the new legitimate dynasty.
>>522569414>self governance>the CCP has never once for a single minute of its existence ever controlled itThere you go. It's a country you retarded chink.
>>522569414>>522569362Based chink!China will probably be the only great power left after muttland collapse.Hope you don't end up trying to become the new America.
>>522568845I've noticed that mutts always lives in their own delusional world.You don't have Great Firewall, but your delusion acts as one.>Name one US president who visited ROC after US established diplomatic relations with PRC>Name one US consulate located in ROCDon't tell me you can't kek.
the falun glowniggers seething at china as usual, kek.
>>522569531I wouldn't bank on American collapse. We'll expend our nuclear arsenal in China's direction before that happens. The only thing left in China will be ash and 1.4 billion Chinese will be in hell.
>>522569515>doesn't know his own history
>>522569580>We'll expend our nuclear arsenal in China's direction before that happens.You won't have the centralized government needed to do so.In the same the USSR didn't nuke Europe and muttland while it collapsed.
Westerners have no idea how Asians think. The Chinese rule thinking in the next 500 years, most Western democracies only think in 4 year terms. Western nations suffer from political alzheimer.
>>522569414The US Confederacy WAS a separate country, and then the Union invaded them and brought them to heel. The PRC has never controlled Taiwan, and if it wants to it should wrap up its civil war in the same fashion. Until it does, Taiwan is a politically autonomous sovereign country.
>>522569598>the confederate states were a breakaway province>Taiwan has NEVER belonged to the PRCBig difference there you retarded Chink.
>>522569647>was a separate countryIt was not. The only difference is that China will not kill its own people for reunification.>>522569682>breakaway provinceTaipei is also a breakaway province. The guy who founded Taipei claimed all of China till his death, so it's still a civil war.
>>522567585You gonna warm Xi's heart with a cool island song?
>>522569811it's not a breakaway province, it's a sovereign country. Unless you also support Taipei's ability to claim the rest of China. The CCP views the RoC as a threat to its legitimacy, because it still exists. But the RoC just wants to exist separately. They don't want reunification, none of them do. There will not be peaceful reunification.
>>522569682>Taiwan has NEVER belonged to the PRCgoogle says, taiwan was created 1912a newer entity than (confederadcy 1861-1865)
>>522569892>Unless you also support Taipei's ability to claim the rest of ChinaI do. That's why I understand that the issue is internal to China.>CCP views the RoC as a threat to its legitimacyHuh? CCP views the RoC as separatists and nothing more.>There will not be peaceful reunification.There will be.
>>522569066Taipei is a city you stupid nigger, Taiwan is the country. Stupid ass memeflaggot nigger.
>>522569963There will not be peaceful reunification because most Taiwanese don't want to be governed by the PRC. It doesn't matter what you think because 23 million Taiwanese are willing to die to resist assimilation, and Americans will be happy to help them fight you. When you lose 20 million Chinese to take an island, and realize your government will sacrifice 20 million of your men to save face while your opponent will fight to not become slaves like you are.
>>522567585The same reason why the U.K went to war for the Falklands, and the Thirteen colonies
All commies are illegit monkeys.
>>522570077> 23 million Taiwanese are willing to die to resist assimilationLmao. 500k may be willing to die. 13 million will flee to other countries. Half of the women will start an onlyfan, and 13 million will simply accept in silence and carry on with their lives.
>>522567585I honestly don't give a fuck what happens to TaiwanNew fabs are being built overseas. Once that's done if China (Continental Chinamen) want to take over Taiwan (Island Chinamen) then let them have it. I don't want die in Chinese missile attacks because the Japanese government is cucking to America and falling on their sword so America tech companies can ensure line continues to go up.Fuck them both.
>>522567585Taiwan's got it's 'sllicon shield'.It's still the top Chip provider on the planet: EU, America relies on it for cutting edge chips.SouthKorea 'getting in on the action' is a bigger risk to Taiwan. If South Korea makes more efficient chips, 'western powers' would be less eager to protect Taiwan.
>>522570077>most Taiwanese don't want to be governed by the PRCThat doesn't matter. What matters is what the government wants. Same as how Americans don't want to help Israel but America still does.Are you still under the delusion that democracy means people's will? Lol.They also have a virtual 2 party system there. Lai's ratings are piss poor and KMT will win in national elections. Maybe not the next immediate elections but with how the DPP handles internal affairs, it's inevitable.
>>522569811>It was not.>taxes collected did not go to the Union>decoupled economy>independent (& outright belligerent) government>independent (& outright belligerent) military>the Union had no ability to enforce a monopoly of violence on the territories until after the end of the warIt simply was, sorry memeflag.>The only difference is that China will not kill its own people for reunification.Really? How was the Sui dynasty established? What was the Song dynasty up to during the Five Dynasties and ten Kingdoms period? What did Zhu Yuanzhang do at the Battle of Lake Poyang? Who did he fight afterwards to establish the Ming dynasty? How did the PRC take control of the mainland away from the KMT? These were all bloodless consolidations of power?
>>522570282Even the KMT won't reunify. The only way to take Taiwan is war.
>>522570236Stop trying to measure other nations with your degenerate standards favela dweller.
>>522570564>Even the KMT won't reunifyCheck who the new KMT leader is and her past comments.
>>522567585Blame the existence of America.See what happened when Russia accepted the sovereignty of Ukraine and actually had very positive relations with them for decades.Number One rule in geopolitics is: If you dont control a territory, that territory will become your enemy 100% down the line. Rival powers will weaponize your neighbors against you and do everything in their power to politicalyl capture them and turn them into an aircraft carrier or meat-shield targeting you.
>>522570675>For the KMT, "China" refers to the Republic of China, which it still formally considers the legitimate government of all of China.>The KMT accepts the "1992 Consensus," an unofficial understanding that there is "one China" but allows both sides to have their own interpretation of what that means.>its official stance is to maintain thestatus quo and only accepts the concept of "reunification" if it occurs under the Republic of China framework and a democratic system.You're not getting a peaceful reunification, no matter how much you think you are.
>>522570594That's why I want to leave and go back to China, I have to share my nationality with these animals. I could've been a Chinese boy, and now I am here. There's a reason why I hate immigration, it causes such things.
>>522570819Why would you choose to be a slave?
>>522570810Like I said, check who the new leader is.
>>522570954it doesn't matter, one person cannot make reunification happen. There are no keys to the island of Taiwan she can hand over. You might as well float a referendum and ask the people of Taiwan if they want to be the 51st US state, and that'll go over just as well.
>>522570077That's a fucking delusion lmaoSee what happened to all those "brave" hongkong roaches who swore to die standing in the face of CCP oppression.A few fled to the UK, the rest stayed put and some even went to the mainland for career purposes.Taiwanese, who have been colonized by so many powers, are the last ones to resist and die standing when the next power comes to take them over. The Japanese, the Dutch, the Ming and Qing, all ruled that place at one point and all the brave people who resisted are extinguished from the genepool, with only the submissive alive and having off-spring.
>>522570858If I'm going to be a slave, I should at least deserve dignity. China's civilization dates back thousands of years, my family barely has a century here. Fuck this.
>>522571173There is no comparison between Hong Kong and Taiwan. Taiwan is a sovereign country with a standalone military whose sole purpose is to train to resist the PLA's eventual attempts at invading their island. Taiwan considers itself a sovereign country.
>>522570077>because most Taiwanese don't want to be governed by the PRC.The kuomintang is literally the largest legislative block in the taiwanese parliament. The democratic progressive party only rules because they have a razor thin edge via a coalition with a third party.Coincidentally, the kuomintang started growing massively after they changed their stance to pro-unification.
>>522571413they're going to treat you like a favela nigger not a Chinese.
>>522571435the KMT does not have a pro-unification stance, more than 80% outright reject reunification and over 50% support independence.
>>522571523it's more like 90% and 60% now. The only ones who want reunification are fifth column niggers from the mainland and these all need to be expelled.
>>522570810That’s the old party line. They changed it after the 2016 elections.
>>522571173Taiwan has zero fighting capacity in the year 2025. Their soldiers are demoralized, their officers kill themselves (just recently another Taiwan Marine Corps officer ACKed), their sentries sleep on the job even whilst protecting vital assets such as Patriot batteries, their procurement is retarded (got scammed paying 1M a pop for non-functional Anduril trash that embarrassed itself during US army trials) and their readiness is laughable as admitted by their own general staff.This island has only ONE strategy: US/Japan comes over to die for them.If either of them cucks out, which they guaranteed will, Taiwan will surrender. You dont know them. I know them. I lived there for 3 years during my studies and even witnessed that NED-funded Sunflower revolution that brought down Ma Yingjiu.
>>522571600They did not, they support it only under 1992 framework conditions which the Chinese outright reject. Therefore, it is imposssible to implement reunification, because the KMT wants to maintain their democratic form of governance, and the people of Taiwan saw what happened in Hong Kong. Expect war before reunification, and a lot of dead mainlanders.
>>522571452My skin color is nowhere near to being dark and I'm not even treated like a Brazilian here, that indicates that I have nothing in common with Brazil or the Brazilian people. Thanks still. Even if discrimination happens, who cares? Hurts less than waking up close to people you don't like with a language you hate.
>>522571523>the KMT does not have a pro-unification stanceYes they do. The only caveat is that they want it to happen under the ideological framework set by Sun Yat Sen. Which really isn’t an issue because the CCP also simp for him and Mao called him his teacher many times in his writings.>>522571593How come the KMT only grew after they became outwardly pro-reunification? This makes no sense.
>>522571925You weren't born and raised in China, you didn't go to school in China, they will always treat you like an outsider. You didn't have to cheat in tests and get in the best university, you'll be a 9/6 factory drone who gets his bank account frozen if he doesn't suck the official communist party dick and if you complain at all about anything expect to get police station'd and sent to a re-education center where they'll either reform you or harvest your organs. I wish i was joking
>>522571954After what happened in Hong Kong, 90% of Taiwanese outright reject reunification and almost 60% support straight independence. The only explanation is the Taiwanese elections aren't secure or people aren't voting.
>>522572166You need to get on with the times. I know US MSM isnt showing this, but HK topic is already old news and the ROC public has rejected further pro-independence moves.Which is why Pro-Chinese politicians won and the recall vote failed two times, with not a single pro-chinese legislator being removed.
>>522572092I know this is an odd thing to you, but most don't see any issue with this. Chinese people tend to follow confucianist culture. Most people are okay with all these things if it means stability and not having to go through multiple warlords states like in the past. Even in nations like Japan for example, you have the same party winning over and over again. All due to confucianism.If it means not being close to people I have no relation, then I'm okay with it.Besides, the Chinese people made their national flag. Many proposals. Zeng Liansong won. What about Brazil? They maintained the same national flags of oligarchs and land owners from the past empire, only replacing the coat of arms. Ridiculous.
>>522572378My parents are not from Brazil, but I was born here, and lived here all my life. You may not like but its literally "problema seu". If you dont like it, you will suffer. Others will not suffer. Only you.
>>522571954>he only caveat is that they want it to happen under the ideological framework set by Sun Yat Sen. Which really isn’t an issue because the CCP also simp for him and Mao called him his teacher many times in his writings.Are you retarded?That's a huge caveat. It doesn't matter how much Mao may have praised Sun Yat Sen,, the PRC does not operate under the ideological framework of Sun Yat Sen. Hence the fact the two countries have had separate governments all this time.
>>522567585>second most powerful military in the world>chinamy sides. how the fuck did you come to that conclusion? turkey could beat china
>>522572891turkey cant produce a single screw, just like you.
>>522572166>After what happened in Hong Kong,What? Everyone just returning to their lives?
>>522569428>100million arabs makes a still irrelevant shithole
