>check out czech twitter to see how well my czech skills are developing>it's czechs calling poles goy nigger-cattleDid I miss anything important?I've noticed a great uptick of poles flooding German comment section with genocidal bickering in the last few years that's been steadily turning the formerly positive image Germans had of them negative, but I didn't expect the czechs to be involved somehow.
from my experience everyone hates everyone else in Europe godforsaken place
>>522568061I think that might be a Russia-specific issue, buddy
>>522567876Czechs are more Germanic than Poles. During the Holy Roman Empire they even provided some Kaisers. The Kingdom of Böhmen was German by all means. And you can feel it today too. The Polish are Slavish blockheads. Nobody likes them. And their nationalistic stupidity oozes into catastrophe every 50 years when they get paranoid about the Germans, the Russians or themselves.
>>522568143>>522568273>>522567876deine oma and dein opa sind überall mit getrocknetem amerikanischen sperma bedeckt
>>522567876they aren't exactly wrong.also, when did germans have a positive image about poles? in 1400s bavaria?
>>522568273Eh, I'm sure they'll get over themselves eventually.>>522568338https://www.101soundboards.com/sounds/675881-dsp-quote-hello-jew
>>522568427hallo feiglinge
>>522567876Czech republic vs not gay Germany Wtf is it with people making up fake countries like what even is a poland?
>>522568338>>522568541>
>>522567876The Slavic ranking is 1. SloveniaDistant second 2. CzechiaThen everyone is is garbage Those are the only two nations that would be considered human beings by the west
>>522567876Look where the accounts were created, it's probably hindustan or rustardia. I highly doubt anyone cares about polaks at this moment of our retarded clownworld
>>522568273That's some pretty gay Turkish fanfiction John Sobieski the third from not gay Germany is way cooler than any nancy bohemian from the Czech republic.
>>522568143good grief kike you're on a roll today, ever consider spacing out your threads?
>>522568685Sobieski was a cross dresser bro
>>522567876that is just bants
>>522568061not me! I only hate judeo magyar cyganys and russians
>>522567876Lots of neets in poland perhaps.
>>522568650bosnia is all right, though.
Never met a hostile CzechOr a Pole being hostile to Czech
>>522568652Czeched it, it's czech.
>>522568650Slovenians are Austrians role-playing as Slavs
>>522568338noch immer obdachloss Dennis?
>>522568736Anon, be realistic. It's historically never been a particularly popular country.>>522568870Based but unlikely to be true.
>>522569046Kek, I haven't checked up on the since he was bullied off of /k/, does anybody have an update on the retard?
>>522569032actually slovaks role-playing as austrians
>>522568652>Look where the accounts were createdthe shills are adapting, they are proxying their account creation process. By all means, thats the jeet on the cheapest shared VPN available
>>522569175he lives in tent in woods
>>522568819Same here I'm the prettiest lass ever to come from Yugoslavia
>>522569175He went to live like a hermit away from the bullies if memory serves me correctly.
>>522569004Well to a degree they pretty much are goy-cattle but I think it's useful to have them push back against the nigger EU at this moment. I will still make fun of them for using road salt on their potato chips though>>522569133>Western civilization is SlavicLiterally a shitposter from here kek
>>522569175
>>522569449what the fuck is up with czechs roaming around drinking beer shirtless?
>>522569046>109kgDennis you fat fuck
>>522568143Go to Paris and order in a restaurant speaking German. Posts results here when your food arrives (protip: never)
Prague is the most beautiful city I have ever been to and I love it so much
>>522569616>Paris >GermanIdiot. If you want the local to understand you when ordering in Paris you need to know Swahili
>>522569527It's just a meme bro, nobody does that unless on vacation. And why do it on vacation? Because it feels good
>>522567876We like Poland, but the truth is, the same way US anons call every merchant a jew, in Czechia the stereotype of cunning merchant is tied to Poland, so they often play roles of tricksters and scrooges in our folklore. But they have cute girls, nice music (although Ewa Farna is ours!) and bigos is the best comfy food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu6UyzPdHA
>>522569760Are you a federal agent?
>>522569760when i stopped by a czech restaurant near the polish border the only customers were poles looking for a cheap meal and a table of 6 czechs drinking beer shirtless.
>>522569860>6 czechs drinking beer shirtless.Now I see the problem, you are angry it wasn't jeets or niggers, right ?
The Czech flag has the Polish flag inside it.
>>522568870Funniest shit i've read all week
>>522569961
>>522569813No but I probably should be getting paid for my shitting on mudslimes. I do it for free. Why do you ask? >>522569860That wasn't a restaurant, that was a pub. Most Czechs wouldn't do this in a restaurant with some class. Understandable if it's empty and they know the owner though
>>522570099
>>522568061Its the only reason Europe rose to greatness. Eternal rivalry
>>522570219Sounds like Poles are looking for their children in the wrong place lol
>>522569321How did he fuck up getting welfare money?>>522569260The account's 8 years old, man.>>522569445Sounds like something that'd get him killed.
>>522570219damn I got the second part but it got even better
>>522570122yeah, restaurant was the wrong word, but it's not exactly a pub either since the primary focus was on food. in poland they're called bar mleczny.
>>522569616>Frogs hate Germans because darkies in Frogland don't speak German????>>522569788>in Czechia the stereotype of cunning merchant is tied to Poland, so they often play roles of tricksters and scrooges in our folklore.I always disagreed with the notion that Poles are the negroes of Europe, they always seemed more semitic to me with their victimhood complex and that whole "Jesus of Europe" deal.
>>522570435>>522570535and in third west slavic language, sklep = tomb
>>522568273Czechia was a de-facto Germanic kingdom since the defeat of Hussite movement in mid 15th century, and arguably even longer, maybe since Ottokar II (who should have been one of the greatest HRE emperors of all time if not for fucking conniving jewry).It was only in mid-19th century when German speaking slavophiles basically conjured up Czech language and identity back from high middle age sources and tried to basically add 3rd nationality to A-H empire, somewhat successfully.There is basically no genetic or cultural difference between Bavarians, Czechs and lowland Austrians, except one of them happens to speak a Slavic language and endured half a century of Communism.Poles on the other hand are completely Slavic, and the greatest shoulder chip carriers in the hiustory of mankind. Their entire national identity is basically Russians and Germans keep bullying us, oh voe!
>>522570674yes, in Russian as well, šukat meaning fuck is interesting
>>522570556>bar mlecznyA milk bar? They serve milk? Kek
>>522570730>endured half a century of Communism.sponsored by you
>>522570783the name is retarded, but they are low cost/low quality restaurants that serve "home made" food.
>>522569788speaking of ads, here one about south slavshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0-TmW4WXf4
>>522570556>called bar mlecznyis jewish term, jews can eat/drink meat and milk at same time (they can after 6 or 8 hours apart, I don't remember) so they opened milk restaurants to be sure not to mix milk and meat
>>522567876Go to sleep, Ivan.
>>522570604Jesus gave his life for his friends and loved his enemies. Meanwhile Poland has never assisted even their Lithuanian counterpart, they went insofar as to even write the laws where polish soldiers were not forced to help lithuanians during their union. And needless to say they hate their enemies - all their neighbours even
>>522571172butthurt pidor
>>522571320Ah, the glorious naval invasion of England in 1807. Every Russian is taught in school about Cossacks charging redcoats at the white cliffs of Dover or the siege of London. This would hold if a third didn't deserve it, a third were actual invasions, a third didn't start it, and a few weren't just made up.
>>522570804Little known fact, while there was a plan in motion to help Gottwald coup Beneš (piss be upon him) and turn Czechia into a Soviet satellite in 1948, to the absolute bewilderment of KGB Czechs actually elected Gotwald and his commie-led national front to be a majority government in a fully democratic election. I bealieve Czechs are the only country in the world to have elected communists completely willingly to power and then also voted them out in a completely bloodless velvet revolution. What a curious nation.
>>522571681>deserve it
>>522571733So you're saying that t*rks, caucasians, and churkas didn't deserve it?
>>522571694>I bealieve Czechs are the only country in the world to have elected communists completely willingly to power and then also voted them out in a completely bloodless velvet revolution. What a curious nation.this is whyhttps://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnichovsk%C3%A1_dohoda>Mnichovská dohoda neboli mnichovská zrada či mnichovský diktát
>>522571694Dissolution of Czechoslovakia is also one of the only examples of self-determined partition of a country into two states without bloodshed
>twitterso, pajeet bots? czechs and poles love each other irl.
>>522568061Only Slavs are the subhumans.West Europeans are peacefull.No border beef, no ethnic hatred
czechs are based
>>522568061just look at history there's no way to love eachother, the european union is just cope
>>522570604we dont think we're victims we think you are a bastard that hurt yourself and everyone around you, like autistic sperg that just throws tantrumsyou gave power to jewsyou destroyed europe ngl youre the nigger of europe
>>522570881I guess we just call those places "jídelna". Some are comfy though, I know this one place where mostly manual job workers go and they have a great deal on a huge pile of kuřecí a vepřové řízky for half the price of mcdonalds menu.
>>522572182you government web site has an ukrainian section
>>522572053>West Europeans are peacefull.100 years war?30 years war?
>>522572053dude germs britbongs and frenchfrogs were at each others throats for centuries. sometimes spain joined the fight, too.
>>522572301because NATO is fake and gay and you fucked up our country with immigrants, faggot stfu
>>522572529you fucked up our country with immigrants
>>522572376>>522572421Pidorashkas, it's 2025what border conflicts do western European countries have?What western European country is threatening it's neighbours?
If you are Polish listen to how these people talk. The West rejects us we will never be "white enough". Never join white nationalist movements - you can ally with them, but remember they don't give a shit about you. Poland's destiny is with the Slavic world and we don't owe these nigger-infested shitholes anything.
>>522572716>what border do western European countries have?ftfy
>>522573106He mad.
>>522567876rusniggers on vpnisolate and deprive support
>>522573106>>what border do western European countries have?>ftfy
>>522573151it's like bragging we have no border conflicts with mongolia
>>522573207Slavs only understand the world un cave dweller terms.
>>522573355and europeans only see the world as a buffet, where they can plunder at willI take the simpleton over the devil
>>522568650thisonly Slovenia and Czechia are half decent Slavic countries (and that is because of Germanic admixture), rest is trash
>>522567876>twitter is real lifeLog off sometimes, nigger Your brain is fried.
>>522573467HWITE MAN DA DEVIL
>>522571149The funny thing is that I wasn't sure if the guy's POlish or Russian until I saw the background.
>>522568917Not even us?
>>522572278>we dont think we're victimCome on now. The Polish victimhood complex is the only one rivalling that of the jews.
>>522573602You should see the muslim, russian and south american victim complex.
>>522573602yeah you say that and then cry about muh 20 million germoids supposedly killed after war lmao
>>522573515You're not white lmaoyou live in Portugal
>>522573207https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-2zaOhYlAM
>>522573669I have seen it, you'd be surprised. The "Jesus of Europe" thing I mentioned wasn't a joke. They have issues with finding their own identity and casting themselves as (blasphemous) martyrs was one attempt.>>522573697Our media never mentions it, yours run your victimhood myths 24/7.E.g. pic related, lmao
>>522573588why should I hate you?
>>522573802HWITE MAN COME AND ROB POOR SLAVHWITE MAN VERY EVILWAKANDA FOREVER
Saying Europeans are devil spawn of Yakub.While Moscovia has 11 time zones.Peak Slave behaviour.
>>522573879>E.g. pic related, lmaomea culpa it was all this midget homo's policy
Poland sucks too much american cock.
>>522575019> czechu suck russian and german cock
>>522575067he is VPN pidor
>>522575019just to spite germansthey allied with russians we ally with america
>>522574951I don't even recognize that guy.>>522575112I can't see Serbia on the map.
>>522573522Well poland doesn't have any resources, dummy. Maybe if you count some coal.
>>522574951> german asslicker the true polish vermin
>>522573883>>522573588Thank you USA
>>522570752Пидopaш, y тeбя в языкe этoгo cлoвa нeт вooбщe
>>522567876rly? that's strange, Poles don't talk about Czechs at all other than the occasional "haha their language is so cute"
>>522568273>paranoidit would be paranoia if the threat was only imaginary xd
>>522575959>I can't see Serbia on the map.here, learn history Dennishttps://geacron.com/home-en/
>>522576296ja som zapadny slovan, albanci mi v zivote nic zleho nespravili
>>522567876We don't hate each other Poles and Czech/Slovaks are probably the chillest people to each other. Stop believing in a bullshit.
>>522576401sorry I forgot to take off my meme flag
>>522573588He is a NATO-integrated Slovak who's not namefagging on this board and hence can't be filtered and pollutes this board.
>>522568870It's like early GPT 3 trying to make fun of polish
>>522576740>He is a NATO-integrated Slovak who's not namefagging on this board and hence can't be filtered and pollutes this board.
>>522567876A french polish nigger lover + communist you see there
>>522571694Almost like racial homogeneity is more stronger than politics, as evolutionary science already knows for dozens of years.
>>522576385a вoт и ecть, кaк зaимcтвoвaниe>ШУКATЬ чтo, пoльcк. иcкaть, oтыcкивaть. Шyкaньe cp. дeйcтв. пo глaг. Шyкaючи чyжoгo, cвoe пpoтopил (пoгyбил). ШУКATЬ, шyкнyть pяз. шyшyкaть, шeптaть. Шyкни-кa eмy, чтoб мoлчaл! >https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/Spravochniki/tolkovyj-slovar-zhivogo-velikorusskogo-jazyka-v-i-dalja-bukva-sh/607
>>522568870This image mimics this old pussian glavset meme
>>522576385What's up with the flag bro?
>>522567876in the past few years czechs noticed they are getting poorer than usthats itsame thing with germs >>522568273they are just coping that their living standards are going down the shitter
>>522577204>jaiko spodivajko - kinder surprisestill funny
>>522576401>>522576719Are you saying Czechs are your poles?wtf>>522576533git bantered>>522576697I thought there might've been some recent event behind it since I wasn't aware of any animosity either.
>>522568338On behalf of the United States, Germans are superior people. Taller, stronger, better looking, their women are superior to ours, their history is more rich, more vast, and magnitudes less shameful objectively speaking.Americans have a primal fear of German males because we associate them with the Nazis and the Nazis with a mythological level enemy of hyper-efficiency and extreme fanaticism.Americans are afraid of an enemy who has no weakness, an enemy that can not be bargained with (Americans love to bargain), cannot be reasoned with, can not be fought or evaded.The fear a son feels for his wrathful father is the fear Americans feel of Germany.Americans legitimately believe Germany could take over the world if they tried enough times.American soldiers in Germany come back depressed due to being mogged. The American abroad handbook and regulations manual has a section for maintaining mental health when in Europe because European males are taller and European Soldiers in joint exercises will manhandle American midgets.Germany has more military bases in the U.S. than any other country - this is actually true btw.
>>522577331I am brown and plan to settle in Poland because of this post.
>>522576954It's just 23%.>>522577331>in the past few years czechs noticed they are getting poorer than usBullshit.Czechia stronk
>>522572794This isn’t true. Poles are seen as White.Poland might not be seen as a Western country but Poles are capable of assimilating to Western culture. It’s severe wignog spergery to claim Poles aren’t White.
>>522577496>I am brownwe know
>>522577603>>522572794Yankee anon is right, Poles are generally known to integrate pretty well, to the point where their children/grandchildren often don't even know they're of Polish descent.Like 2025 years ago they were known for stealing cars in Europe (because they did), but Zoomers won't even know that anymore. Similar to Indians, only their recent online behaviour has been fucking with their formerly good reputation.
>>522577562>Czechia stronklike 5 years ago, maybenow not so muchthey relied too much on your car industryand since you guys decided to execute your only cash cow, everyone else involved is suffering too
>>522577838>Like 2025 years ago
>>522577881They'll be fine, they've got enough of the Germanic spirit to pull through any crisis.>>52257790025*
>>522578073Do you think Poles were stealing German farming equipment 2025 years ago?
>>522578073>Germanic spirit to pull through any crisisso they are essentially fucked
>>522573106lol>>522577562>>522577838Westerners don’t care about sub-ethnicity, but they are very aware of certain stereotypes about Eastern Europeans - such as the car thief or the alcoholic who litters - and also of communities, in general, that refuse to assimilate into the broader society.
>>522578073?They'll be fine, they've got enough of the Germanic spirit to pull through any crisis.LMAO,LOOK AT CZECH LATEST VOTETHEY VOTED FOR SOME SOFT EUROSKEPIT, THEY ARE GONNA ELECT SOME CHUD SIMILAR TO ORBAN NEXT
>>522576603zaprawdę powiadam wam, słowacki to jedyny język który jest zrozumiały dla Polaków bez większego wysiłku
>>522568870polish sounds cooler
>>522573802Russia white kek.
>>522578815>after photo session poor dog
>>522577838but there's not much benefit to integration. Western europeans will take our women because of "white brotherhood" , that's all that's in it for a Pole to join white nationalist groups in the West and what you lose by becoming "White" is 1000 years of history, glory, sacrifice, basically your entire identity. a genetic dead end and loss for Poland , to end up with your children as mutts , donations of valuable biomass to decaying Western institutions
>>522578218Slavs only arrived in Europe in the 6th century AD, so probably not, but I wouldn't rule it out completely.>>522578326This is funny for polish historical reasons.>>522578475>>522578515I wasn't aware of the littering, but you'll have trouble finding a westerner who ever looked at any eastern European vote.>>522578879wtf mang
>>522579038Anon, you're in Canada.If you wouldn't be a complete loser you'd either be in Poland or wouldn't hold those opinions.
>>522579056>>522578218i wouldnt rule it out, as germans were just wood niggers stealing roman shit>>This is funny for polish historical reasons.it is precisely why they are fuckedwhat is their sperg out going to do?nobody will sponsor them after they get inevitably destroyed either
>>522569788kek, foreign corporate ads are breddy gud
>>522578815let's look at your fighters
>>522567876throwback to the Tucker - Putin interview when Tucker called out Putin about wanting to invade Poland. >implyingGod be with you poles
>>522579097i am actively planning to emigrate to Poland. there is no viable polish community in Canada, everyone assimilates too quickly and outmarries - dutch, british, italianseven those 2nd gen that stick within Polish ethnicity, their kids will no longer feel Polish at all except for as a LARP Slavs have the worst position in a country like canada - discriminated against by the state because you count as "White" and don't qualify for affirmative action, but not old money White enough to get easy entry into country clubs and bastions of elite privilege like investment banks not to mention all the indians flooding in which just turned this place into a colonial slave shithole for 80% of Canadians that are the working class
>>522579383fuck off we're full
>>522579472fuck off idiot I have land inheritances worth millions of zloty and full citizenship you can't stop me
>>522579383Welcome home Polack man
>>522577562Nah she's french and a huge commie retard on twitter
>>522579843thanks anon
>>522569526Love this guy
>>522579383do yourself a favor and if you come here then aim for warszawa or potentially the katowice area or wroclaw. the rest of the country sucks dick to live in for the most part.
I'm here just looking for some germanig mouth to cuddle with my penis head
>>522580264I've heard good things about katowice, but I'll probably go where the embedded systems/microcontroller jobs are Ożarów Mazowiecki for examplealso tempted to live in Gdansk or somewhere along the sea
I'm a Polish American (3rd Gen) Why do Polish people and Gov get so butthurt whenever you bring up Poland's short comings? It's always blame: "Russia" "Germany" "Communism" "Nazis" ect. But never blame Poland for it's own fuckups. Help me understand this?
>>522570224by that logic clan warfare would have advanced india to alien like civilization this has nothing to do with it, some people theorized it's organized sports - competition without blood feuds
>>522580609distraction before admitting they stole safavid fashion
to the mykola with a polish flag itt, go back to digging trenches you son of a pig
>>522580415except for maybe aviation, warszawa is the hotspot for most jobs in poland. the problem with gdansk is the location, you're fairly far from everything.i lived most of my life in the US and moved to poland a few years back to a smaller city (still top 20). it sucks in terms of buying anything. usually i need to drive out to warszawa/kraków for anything sensible. same with services, there's not much competition so prices are similar to large cities and wait times are long.
>>522580772>by that logic clan warfare would have advanced india to alien like civilizationindia was actually ruled by foreign empires usually - e.g. the Mughals or the British> organized sportsonly became popular in Europe in the early 1900scompetition certainly spurred European innovation, but the most important factor is Christianity and its tradition of a scholarly clerical class educated in universities. We can talk about the Academy at Athens etc but structured education as we know it originated in the Medieval Ages. the "hogwarts" aesthetic, that beautiful world of wizards and priests, is a creation of christianity interacting with folkish White people and their cultures
>>522580897Russians don't talk like that really. Russia overcame most of its issues. But Poland just seems to dwell in the past and doesn't do anything to make Poland better for Polish people. It seems like a very cowardly victim complex mentality.
>>522581016a job in gdansk would be to work in the shipping or maritime sectors - I'd love to work for Maersk or Unifeeder for example thanks for your advice, i know parts of small-town poland are underdeveloped but on the plus side it keeps niggers away and land is cheap and affordable ... i've heard horror stories about how expensive krakow or warsaw is as that's where all the jobs are. katowice was contrasted favourable because apartments are cheaper
>>522580609They do. It's just like most groups they prefer such conversations to be in house rather than "airing family laundry" outside.>>522578815Me in the middle
>>522581144Polish identity was forged around sarmatism. Tldr? Before discovering DNA identification, Poles used to think they were Iranian and thus their destiny was to rule over "inferior Slavs" just like the golden horde used to rule over "inferior Russians".This explains phenomenons like wearing zhupans, hunting fetish, winged horsemen, scimitars, inviting jusaists to rule their follwarks like Khazars, Lisowczycy (using genocide as war tactic) etcThen they found out about panslavinism movement and our common r1A heritage and since then they're confused - turns out they were part of the same "subhuman" tribe. Understandable, I hold no grunge against them. I'm even a little pole by blood myself (1/32 or something)
>>522581279>land is cheap and affordablehonestly, it depends. podkarpackie is a shithole but land is relatively expensive there because of backwards reasoning that you should never sell real estate. in essence, the land is worth shit, but there is no supply so the prices are high.śląsk is surprisingly reasonably priced and fairly well located. warszawa is expensive, but in terms of ease of finding a job or doing anything else it's pretty much unbeatable.kraków is not worth considering at all in my opinion. nearly as expensive as warszawa, yet has far less industry and far more tourists.
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>>522572681>this Russians did thisThat was Jews.
>>522582226actually they indeed are sarnatians (schytian tribe)
>>522583779>sarnatians*sarMatians
>>522583779>fingolians related to Rus>but not Russiansmental illness map
>>522584109kievan rus ≠ russiayou mongol rape baby!>Russia = Moscovia. Moscow itself is Mongol / Golden Horde creation.Before Mongols, in time of the Rus' state, it was inhabited by Finno-Ugric people called Meryans. Mongols utterly destroyed them and new people from what is now Ukraine moved in to the area, together with other refugees from steppe region (we would call them Tatars now but back then Cumans/Kipchaks and other Turkic people).This mix developed to Grand Duchy of Moscovia under Mongol reign. Mongols used this new proto-state as tax collector (pay or die) for all other neighboring regions. They killed and maimed everyone because they were poor and couldnt pay. Single biggest victim was Republic of Novgorod, largest European state at the time. City of Novgorod had population size of London or Paris at the time. Muscovites massacred them and annexed the country, now they pretend it was 'always Russia'.Eventually this Muscovite mafia state was powerful enough to fuck off the Mongols. Then Moscovia changed it's name to Russia.This is how Moscovia became to be. Completely non-European state located at Eastern Europe and hated by everyone for their deeds.
>>522584109>To fully grasp the deeper metapolitical significance of Ukraine's current struggle against Russia, we must look back to a pivotal confrontation that occurred in the 15th and 16th centuries between the Republic of Novgorod and Muscovy in northeastern Europe. Russia's obsession with Ukraine and its invasion cannot merely be attributed to territorial ambitions or the clash between democracy and dictatorship. This conflict runs deeper, symbolizing a clash of fundamentally different and mutually exclusive civilizational paths. It represents a struggle for the future of Eastern Europe, pitting Western Civilization, embodied by Ukraine, against the Asiatic brutality and primitivism represented by Russia. A historical parallel of this civilizational clash can be seen in the confrontation that transpired in the Middle Ages between the Republic of Novgorod and the Grand Duchy of Moscow. Russia's current aggression against Ukraine echoes the 15th-century conquest and destruction of Novgorod by Muscovy. By understanding this historical context and progression, therefore, we can gain valuable insights into today's events.>The forerunner of the future Russian state was the Grand Duchy of Moscow (Muscovy), which was a tributary and the vassal of the Mongol Golden Horde. Initially it was a small principality on the north-east periphery of the realm that once constituted the ancient Kyivan Rus’. However, starting from the 14th century through sly manipulation and prudent politics of its successive rulers who managed to earn the favour of the khans, it succeeded to mobilize the resources of the Golden Horde to its own advantage and thereby consolidate its power in the north-east by gradually absorbing neighboring Russian principalities.
>>522584491>Having built the autocracy and a strong army, the rulers of Muscovy envisioned themselves as the rightful rulers of all the lands that once constituted the Kyivan Rus’ and aspired to gather all those territories under their banner. Next, they set their eyes to the north-west, to the Republic of Novgorod.>Novgorod was the only north-eastern Slavic state that was not affected by the Mongol invasions in the Middle Ages, and in the 14-15th centuries it was the most prosperous polity in the north-east of Europe, with a highly sophisticated and skilled population that cherished their freedoms. Most importantly, its customs, its culture, and the mentality of the people drastically differed from those of Muscovy. The most glaring difference was in the system of government: whereas autocracy and despotism reigned in Muscovy, Novgorod was governed by a popular assembly – the “veche,” which was similar to the Norse “thing” or Swiss cantonal assembly. It took place on the central market square and was called upon by the ring of a large bell, the "veche bell", which carried a symbolic significance to Novgorodians and was a reminder to them of their rights and freedoms as citizens. Furthermore, separation of powers was also woven into the political structure of the Novgorod Republic. The Grand Prince, the Archbishop and the mayor (posadnik) shared the executive branch of the government. The latter two were elected by the veche.
>>522584522>Muscovy, in contrast was a despotic autocracy. Slavish servility towards rulers was the defining feature of Muscovites. Arbitrariness and wanton cruelty of the rulers or government officials was rampant and did not know any limits. Muscovy, although militarily strong, was poor and backwards. Its form of government and society in general were similar to, and were essentially the continuation of the Golden Horde.>Novgorod Republic had close relations with the Teutonic Order, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland. It traded extensively with the German cities of the Hanseatic League on the Baltic Sea. It was a sophisticated European polity in every sense and was oriented towards the West, ethnically, culturally and politically. It was the jewel of north-east Europe. Moreover, Novgorodians were acutely aware of their differences with Muscovites, of their spiritual, cultural and ethnic closeness to European Civilization, and that they were more civilized and prosperous than their rapacious neighbors to the east. They had a widespread saying to succinctly illustrate the point and remind themselves of this fact: Muscovites wear woven sandals (lapti), whereas we, Novgorodians, wear boots. In the same way that present-day Ukrainians have long been aware of their irreconcilable distinctness from present-day Russians, and that as opposed to the latter they belong to the Western Civilization, which they naturally lean towards.
>>522584553>In the 15th century Muscovy had continuously tried to bend Novgorod to its will. However Novgorod, for a long time, was successful in fending off Muscovy’s encroachments and managed to retain its sovereignty. The wealth of Novgorod and its freedoms aroused the rage and envy of Muscovites. Its independent foreign policy, close relations with western Europe was a thorn in the eye for Muscovy. Muscovites simply could not accept it that there could be another Slavic people nearby who are wealthier and more sophisticated than them. Centuries later the descendants of those Muscovites – i.e., present-day Russians, would feel the exact same about Ukrainians, which would be the true deeper reason behind their decision to invade Ukraine. >>511853965>With a paranoic suspicion that also defines Russians today, Muscovites considered Novgorodians “traitors” because they pursued their own diplomatic course and conducted close relations with Poland, Lithuania and the Teutonic Order. They even came to accuse them of having converted to Catholicism, having “sold” themselves to the “Latin king” and spearheading the “Latinist expansion” towards the lands of Rus’. In the exact same way that Russians currently accuse Ukrainians of having “sold” themselves to the West, and spearheading “NATO expansion” and “Western decadence” towards Russia. The parallels are indeed striking.
>>522584590>Obviously, Novgorodians had no intention of leaving Orthodox Christianity or spreading Catholicism further to the east towards Muscovy. This was all the product of the sick imagination of Muscovites. What Novgorodians strived for was to keep their customs and culture, that were essentially part of European Civilization, and hence different from, in fact antithetical, to those of Muscovy, and to pursue their relations with other European states as they saw fit. In a similar vein, Ukraine had no intention to threaten Russia or spearhead a NATO attack on Russian territory. Just like Novgorodians centuries earlier, all Ukrainians want is to build relations with the West, where they naturally belong and hence instinctively gravitate towards, without interference from Muscovite-Russians. And just like their accusations against Novgorodians in the 15th century, the current accusations leveled against Ukraine by the Muscovite-Russians simply reflect their deeper envy and ressentiment at the fact that there is another Slavic, Russian-speaking nation nearby that is more free and prosperous than they are, and chooses a superior civilizational path.>In essence then, the confrontation between Muscovy and Novgorod, just like the present-day confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, was first and foremost a metaphysical, conceptual one: its root cause was that Muscovy - an Asiatic, backwards and despotic autocracy - was envious and greedy of the riches and freedoms of its north-western neighbor - Novgorod Republic, who spiritually was part of European civilization. Therefore, at a certain point it became clear that Muscovy would not let it go and would resort to violence to solve its irreconcilable differences with Novgorod, whom it regarded as its nemesis.
>>522584645>It all came to a head in 1456. The Grand Prince of Moscow Vasiliy II conducted a sizeable military expedition against the great city-republic. The Muscovite army defeated the Novgorodian force and dictated the punitive Treaty of Yazhelbitsy. Novgorod was made to pay a large indemnity, was prohibited from making independent treaties with foreign governments and was to recognize the suzerainty of the Grand Prince of Moscow.>However, Novgorodians did not want to yield to the restrictive and punitive conditions of the settlement of 1456. In the following years a popular resistance emerged within the city that centered around Marfa Boretskaya, the widow of a former mayor. Among other things, the movement advocated for closer relations with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to restore the republic’s lost freedom of action. Also, Novgorodians were considering placing their archbishop under the jurisdiction of the metropolitan of Kyiv in place of the metropolitan of Moscow. Needless to say, Novgorod did not intend to threaten or attack Muscovy. Its striving for an alliance with Lithuania, who was culturally much closer to it than Muscovy, was purely for defensive purposes. However, vindictive and spiteful Muscovites could not accept this. As a result, Ivan III attacked Novgorod in 1471. Muscovites devastated the Novgorodian lands unleashing genocide with a wild frenzy and massacring people in the cruelest manner. Among other things, Muscovites cut the lips and noses of Novgorodian soldiers they had captured and sent them back to the city to sow terror.
>>522584682>The final blow came in the years 1477–78 when Novgorod was conquered and destroyed by Muscovy. The city was devastated and most of its inhabitants were massacred. The veche bell, that most precious symbol of Novgorod’s identity, was taken down and removed from the city. Its elites were sent into exile to Moscow or dispersed to remote corners of Muscovy to perish and never to return. Finally, in 1480 to suppress yet another rebellion, Ivan III undertook his final punitive expedition. In what would become another recurrrent pattern in future Muscovite/Russian conquests, the city of Novgorod was repopulated with settlers from other parts of Muscovy in order to dilute the share of its native population.>Thousands upon thousands were executed, many others were again sent to exile. Novgorod ceased to exist as an independent state. The prosperous city state that was spared from the Mongol invasion suffered destruction and genocide at the hands of Muscovites.
>>522584710>This however did not mark the end of anguish for the long-suffering, once free and prosperous city republic. The worst was yet to come and it was to experience the full brunt of Muscovite envy and hatred a century later, at the hands of Ivan IV The Terrible and his cruel henchmen.>In spite of the destruction and cleansing of its population by Ivan III, Novgorod still remained wealthy and even retained some of its unique institutional traditions. The natives who escaped genocide and their descendants kept the spirit of Novgorod alive. Moreover, in spite of the share of the native population having been significantly diminished, apparently its culture was so strong that the new settlers were thoroughly imbued by it leaving behind their old ways, a phenomenon that can be observed also in modern times.
>>522584740>Envious and paranoically suspicious Muscovites could not tolerate this. Once Ivan IV conclusively decided to destroy the remnants of Novgorod’s European identity, he showed no mercy. Any territory of the once great republic that the tsar passed through with his brutal and greedy henchmen (oprichniks) felt the blows of their rage. Selected victims were wantonly executed and the population terrorized. Finally, early in 1570 Ivan IV set up his sham court in Novgorod and launched his reign of terror that would become typical of Russian history going forward – a precursor analogous to what Central-Eastern Europe would later experience during the Red Terror of the 1920s and executions under Stalin in the 1930-40s, for example.>The oprichniks arrested many prominent residents of the city, like local nobles, chancery officials and wealthy merchants, and interrogated them under torture. After the interrogations they would execute them in conspiciously cruel ways, that would centuries later define the actions of NKVD – their spiritual descendants. Among other things, their hapless victims would be dragged to the Volkhov river and stuffed through holes in the ice. In most cases entire families, including little children, were killed after going through this ordeal together. During the sack of Novgorod, the oprichniks also directed their ire towards the ecclesiastical society, by arresting monks and plundering churches and monasteries. The oprichniks also had a free hand in dealing with the rest of the population, wherein they scoured Novgorod and the surrounding regions looting, raping and killing. What they couldn’t carry away, they destroyed.
>>522584807>The crushing victory of Muscovy against Novgorod sealed the fate of the future Russian state, and by extension the whole eastern Slavic realm, for many centuries to come. Moreover, the savagery and cruelty with which Muscovy undertook the genocide of Novgorod was an ominous portent of things to come in the following centuries up to the present day and set the behavioral pattern in its future conquests. Russian atrocities in Bucha, Izyum, Mariupol and other places in Ukraine, the brutal rapes, tortures, beheadings and castrations of Ukrainians at the hands of Russians are similar to those what hapless Novgorodians had to endure at the hands of Muscovites.>One could only imagine what future Russia would have looked like if Novgorod had prevailed in its confrontation with Muscovy or at least managed to preserve its independence. There could have emerged a Russian state on the east coast of Baltic stretching up to the north that would be something similar to Prussia or Scandinavian countries, albeit with Orthodox Christianity as its religion. But it wasn’t meant to be. The destruction of Novgorod by Muscovy was a traumatic event and a great civilizational tragedy for Eastern Europe. What Muscovites did to Novgorod was none other than ethnocide – killing a distinct nascent European ethnicity that was forming on the north-eastern expanses of Europe.
>>522584897>Today Ukraine represents for Russia what back then Novgorod represented for Muscovy. Today Ukraine is the jewel of the east Slavic realm. It represents a bright alternative, a European civilizational path for the whole post-Soviet, Russian-speaking space - a path that drastically differs from the gloom and destruction that civilizational backwater Russia tries to drag everyone into.>Ukraine’s great human capital – talented, energetic, free in spirit and oriented towards Europe, arouses the bitter envy of Russians, like back in the day Novgorodians aroused the envy of Muscovites. Russians see that Ukrainians are richer, more sophisticated and better off than themselves in every respect. This, and only this, explains the wild frenzy with which they rape, torture and murder Ukrainians, and are hellbent on erasing Ukrainian culture and identity, just like in the 15-16th centuries Muscovites were determined to erase Novgorod’s distinct European identity.
>>522584948>Moreover, Muscovites leveraged the vast resources of Eurasia to achieve their goal of subduing Novgorod. During Ivan III's reign, Muscovy was still paying tribute to the Golden Horde, which enabled it access to its extensive material and human resources for the war against Novgorod. A pivotal factor in Muscovy's victory, for instance, was the use of Tatar cavalry. Today, Russia – the successor of Muscovy, similarly exploits Eurasian resources in its war against Ukraine, as it predominantly conscripts people of Asian descent (such as Yakuts, Buryats, and Kalmyks). Additionally, Russia draws significant numbers of soldiers from across the Global South to bolster its forces. Furthermore, Russia's subservience to China, and Putin's recent overtures to Iranian mullahs and North Korea's Kim Jong Un for support in the Ukrainian invasion echo the historical subservience of Muscovy's princes to the khans of the Golden Horde. Just as Muscovy once utilized the Golden Horde's resources to its advantage to consolidate its power and to destroy Novgorod, contemporary Russia mirrors this strategy, seeking external aid all over Eurasia and the Global South - including but not limited to more than 10.000 North Korean soldiers currently fighting for Russia on the battlefield - to fuel its invasion of Ukraine.
>>522584999>Today’s sick and paranoid Russian propaganda narratives of “NATO expansion to the East” with Ukraine allegedly serving as its “spearhead”, the spread of “LGBT”, “Nazism”, “satanism” etc. are reminiscent of the Muscovite paranoia about Novgorod’s alleged conversion to Catholicism and spreading the “Catholic menace”. In the same way that Muscovy could not stand Novgorod having close relations with Poland, Lithuania and Teutonic Knights - its natural allies and civilizational counterparts, today Russia cannot accept Ukraine drifting towards Europe and the US, who are culturally much closer to it than Russia, and whose people are mentally closer to Ukrainians than Russians are. Like Novgorod’s striving for an alliance with the closely related Grand Duchy of Lithuania was purely for defensive purposes to protect itself from barbaric and rapacious Muscovy, today Ukraine strives for NATO membership, or at least close relations with the block, for the exact same reasons – i.e., to protect itself against Muscovy’s successor state, the barbaric and rapacious Russia, and thereby to realize its own civilizational destiny which belongs with the West. >The spirit of medieval Muscovy embodied in modern Russia must not be allowed to prevail again, against the spirit of Novgorod Republic represented today by modern Ukraine. Back in the day Novgorod’s European allies sadly were not strong enough, nor really willing to help Novgorod in its confrontation with Muscovy. Luckily, the West is much stronger now and more determined to help than it was back in the 15th century. And it must remain steadfast in its support, so that unlike Novgorod, Ukraine prevails in this civilizational confrontation with Muscovy-Russia, which will determine the fate of Eastern Europe, and in fact of all Europe, for many decades and centuries to come.
>>522585049>A potential Russian victory will destroy the glimmer of hope for the eastern Slavic realm embodied in Ukraine and will send it back to the age of darkness and gloom. Victory of Ukraine over Russia, in contrast, will herald a new age of prosperity, progress and cultural creativity for Eastern Europe. Ukraine has a real chance to accomplish a historical feat that was not meant for the great city-republic of Novgorod to achieve, namely bringing the eastern Slavic realm to European Civilization, where it truly belongs.>Moreover, to fully dismantle anti-European Russia, the liberation of its current north-western territories, formerly part of the Novgorod Republic, is essential. This is all the more crucial because the genesis of imperial Russia began with Muscovy's conquest of Novgorod – a pivotal historical moment that marked the rise of Muscovy to the detriment of all Europe. This event was both symbolic and traumatic. To heal this historical trauma and deliver a decisive blow to imperial Russia, the lands of historic Novgorod must be reclaimed from Muscovy and restored to European Civilization. Only then can the deep-seated wounds from Novgorod's destruction be healed, allowing the eastern Slavic realm to rediscover itself in a new, enlightened context under Ukrainian leadership.
>>522569788>Ewa FarnaNOPE, she's a proud Polish nationalist!https://youtu.be/B7sXl9UzOZ8
>>522581144nigger what the fuck are you talking about? history does cycles unless one learns from it, it's important to know who everyone really is and how assosiating with them ends up. russians don't think like us? big fucking woop: it's a different civilization, different culture, different race - why in the world would they think like us in the first place?>>522582226polish identity is 700 years older than sarmatism>Poles used to think they were Iranian and thus their destiny was to rule over "inferior Slavs" just like the golden horde used to rule over "inferior Russians"not even close to what it was
>>522579335>Putin interview when Tucker called out Putin about wanting to invade Poland.Where?
>>522567876can someone explain this phenomenon?
>>522585319you can take a steppenigger out of the steppe but you can't take the steppe out of a steppenigger
>>522582226>Before discovering DNA identification, Poles used to think they were Iranian and thus their destiny was to rule over "inferior Slavs"Nigger, Sarmatians were R1a.>In 2015, again Afanasiev et al. analyzed skeletons of various Sarmato-Alan and Saltovo-Mayaki culture Kurgan burials. The two Alan samples from the fourth to sixth century AD belonged to Y-DNA haplogroups G2a-P15 and R1a-Z94, while two of the three Sarmatian samples from the second to third century AD found to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup J1-M267, and one belonged to R1a. Three Saltovo-Mayaki samples from the eighth to ninth century AD turned out to have Y-DNA corresponding to haplogroups G, J2a-M410 and R1a-z94.[81]>A genetic study published in Nature in May 2018 examined the remains of twelve Sarmatians buried between 400 BC and 400 CE.[85] The five samples of Y-DNA extracted belonged to haplogroup R1a1, I2b, R (two samples), and R1.[86] >A genetic study published in Science Advances in October 2018 examined the remains of five Sarmatians buried between 55 AD and 320 AD. The three samples of Y-DNA extracted belonged to haplogroup R1a1a and R1b1a1a2 (two samples),>A genetic study published in Current Biology in July 2019 examined the remains of nine Sarmatians from the southern Ural Mountains and of a single Sarmatian from North Caucasus buried between 7th and 2nd century BC. The Uralic Sarmatians were found to be carrying the paternal haplogroups R1a1e-CTS1123, R1a-Z645 (two samples),https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians
>>522567876>>it's czechs calling poles goy nigger-cattleThey're not wrong. Worst part about living in Poland is the fucking polish people.Fun fact: When Germans coined the term "subhuman" they literally coined it to describe Poles
>>522585568>Sarmatians were R1aSo are kirgiz people. And?
>>522569212Haplomemes mean jack shit you fucking idiot. They don't even take female lineages into account at all so they are already missing 50% of the genome by just that. Post autosomal admixture if you have some argument.
>>522585741Do you even know what IRAN means, pleb?
>>522586037>>522585741
>>522586119>>522585741
>>522568338This image sums the german inferiority complex in the era of pax Americana. Germans quake in their boots as they drive by the various US installments and military bases on the autobahn which remind them that they are occupied and the concubine of America.As Americans begin to awaken to the Jewish menace in their ranks and to push for deportation and further subjugation of browns in their country, Germans cry about racism. Germans are mad that the rootin tooting cowboy clowns of America will achieve what the fanatical ubermensch never could, and they will do it all whilst keeping their boot on the neck of a broken and emasculated german people.
>>522580415>also tempted to live in Gdansk or somewhere along the seaInfrastructure is shit, roads are shit, everyday enfire city is in traffic jams, and retards from city council keep closing major roads to make room for bike lanes. If you want to visit the beach, there are no large or medium sized parking lots anywhere nearby (there are parking lots that can accommodate like 20 cars) and you'll spend 40-50 minutes trying to find a parking spot in some random alley, from which you'll have to walk 30 minutes (next to traffic jam) to the beach. If you want to go by taxi, you'll be sitting stuck in traffic anyway. Or take a tram that will be packed like a sardines can and sniff unwashed sweaty boomers
Wew some vpniggers perdak meltednot going to read that c&p btw>>522585161Polish national identity to be more precise. The average peasant identity "700 years ago" was christian and that's itIt's okay, at the same time ours larped as greek 3rd rome and wore silly bolyar hats, we overcame this aswell (by larping as dutch)
>>522576940baZed toth minority of Vojvodina
>>522585951>They don't even take female lineages into accountmitochondrial dna is too broad for any sort of scientific deduction based on it>>522586195>The average peasant identity "700 years ago" was christian and that's itkike nonsense: we've had documented ethnic conflicts with german immigrants as early as 13 century.
>>522582226>Polish identity was forged around sarmatismNo. Sarmatism was an inside joke that started when few aristocrats traveled to study in Italy and found on some old maps that the region was called Sarmatia.All aristocrats can tell you where their ancestors came from for generations and centuries into the past. Poles know where they came from.Saying Sarmatism shaped polish identity just says you're illiterate in history.
>>522586195We must reintroduce the żupan and kontusz drip.
Czech'em
>>522568995Tak panie! Dzien dobry :DdVšichni máme rádi Poláky <3 >>522569133Most likely russki or an idiot larper.>>522570730Mostly correct, except for the language part. Sure, there was a revival and modern Czech is pretty much based on 16th century grammar, but non-standardized dialects were widely used across the country. It's just that the ethnolinguistic identities were somewhat fuzzier back then (e.g. Mendel considered himself to be a German speaking Moravian)>>522576697Zdravíčko sousede!>>522567876>check out czech twitter to see how well my czech skills are developingDear neighbour, next time just pay us a visit. Have a beer or something. Czech twitter (as any other twitter) is an awful place, don't pay any attention to it.
>>522586432>mitochondrial dna is too broad for any sort of scientific deduction based on itI am aware but y-dna haploshits aren't good either hence why I told him to use autosomal DNA.
>>522586544Sarmatism as exclusively polish phenomenon of late medieval state ideology. Nobody says you rode from the steppes nowadays >>522586778I am also fond of pre-Petrine fashion.And I think smokings have to go. It can work but our world is just not ready for it
>>522587050>Tak panie! Dzien dobry :DdKurevsko nedobre novinky
>>522587468https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanais_Tablets
>>522587230>Nobody says you rode from the steppes nowadaysBecause Sarmatia aka Poland-Lithuania was destroyed in 1795 and the partitioners trashed the ideology by forced state propaganda.https://youtu.be/tLcpwwSRx24
>>522586778It objectively looks so much better than modern boring suits.
>>522587230>I am also fond of pre-Petrine fashion.>And I think smokings have to go.>It can work but our world is just not ready for itBASED!
>>522587652I kno rite.
>>522587468>>522587536>Scholars use this to indicate that early Croatians may have, at the time, been Sarmatians or a mixed tribe of Alans and Crimean Goths who became Slavicized in the ensuing centuries
>>522587663more attempts
>>522587720sadly everything is globohomo now
>>522587750that is turk motive
maybe like this for women
>>522587230>Sarmatism as exclusively polish phenomenon of late medieval state ideology.it was a renaissance orientalist aestetic
>>522587997It was far more than aesthetic, it was a philosophy basically. Or ideology if you want, your own pan does seem to agree with me here >>522587564
>>522588140it wasn't an ideology, it didn't have a political componenti'm pretty sure that anon is his own person
>>522588140
>>522587902Globohomo is GHAYYY
>lost my nation under swastika emblem again award >>522588340There, I disagree. As far as I understood it it was raison d'etre for the PLC, and disputes with ukrainians automatically arose out of it>>522588352
>>522587902not slavic
>fell for swaston again awardinoperable
>>522588473ruthenian gentry also adhered to this fadexistential reason for plc was to pool resources to be able to repel raids of turkic neighbors (muscovites and tatars) more effectively
Ahh, a successful thread.You're welcome, easterlings. I hope you had fun.
>>522588677>ruthenian gentry also adhered to this fadno they didn't orthodox were their separate thing which is why the PLC broke in half, poles just couldn't not treat them as 2nd class citizens, again because of sarmatism. A union with Hungary would be the better option and factually it even happened, although shortlived.>turkic neighbors (muscovites and tatars) Our Zar sent tatars to get rid of the livonian order which was the right thing to do, unless you like German rule over the baltics ofc. Doesn't make us turkic, or polish expansion into our rurikoid lands any more justified
>>522570730My family were German bohemians and as far as I can tell, it was a segregated society for the most part. Much like blacks and whites in southern us reconstruction. But I don't know, it's impossible to research these people without sifting through nazi and sudetenland slop the 20th century ruined so much history
>>522568650>he bases himself on what people who have 96 genders and import zillion niggers to replace them think of himback to the stable with you faggot
>>522567876>slavmonkeys killing each otherNOMOREBROTHERWARS
>>522589172yes they did, here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenian_nobilitycount the ones not wering a kontusz or a zupan>orthodoxno one fucking cared, gentry was a whole different club on it's own>why the PLC broke in halfnever happened>Doesn't make us turkicyour partial khazar ancestry and turko-mongol culture does tho>polish expansion into our rurikoid lands any more justifiedlithuanian prince mendog restored ruthenia, scions of rurik were all lithuanian gentry. who else but them had the claim to ruthenian lands?
>>522569133Poles are the niggers of Europe. They're also owned and run by kikes.They're the enemy of white race.
>>522585951So Slavs and Celts fucked Germanic women (since you're finding an issue with Slovenes not being painted as Germans?).What's the gotcha here, I don't get it.Y-DNA matters the most since it eliminates the stupid theories people like to peddle. The only people who hate DNA are the liars who want to undermine country through made up arguments.
>>522568061wrong information buddy. all my neighbouring countries are frens, no exceptions.
>>522567876>>522569133The guy in that post is a moravian nationalist schizo.I have nothing against Poles in general,the only ones i find annoying are those that can't shut the fuck up about Poland becoming a superpooper because Americans found out that they exist,literaly acting like jeets,not realizing that they will always remain a 2nd world slav shithole,but there's nothing wrong with that,i personally love it and i'm glad i was born here.
>>522571681Britain is not marked yellow on this map.You have the same victim complex which you accuse others of having.
>>522567876there are some niggers in every countryand by using a word nigger i dont mean just the color of skin but behaviour in generalpolish niggers, czech niggers, slovak niggers, american niggers, russian niggers, chinese niggersjust dont give a fuck and live your lifeniggers arent worth your attention
>>522590270>They're also owned and run by kikes.our pm is polish, our president is polishputin is half jew, mishustin is full jewhow about that, ivan?
>>522589923>no one fucking cared, gentry was a whole different club on it's ownYour own article said they were 2nd class until they converted, by then no longer being Russian>your partial khazar ancestrymy ancestors destroyed khazaria>turko-mongol culturewe fought vehemently to get rid of the Tatar yoke for hundreds of years. And our culture was shaoed by it, otherwise why fight yourself? makes no sense. You are denying Russian culture basically>Sons of Rurik were all Lithuanian That's the crux - they were not. They were either Yagellion, or Gedimin, Algirdas, or even Vasa idk. Their lack of rightful Rurik heritage (and partial lack of orthodoxy) inevitably lost them ability to unite all Rus. Such is history, better pay more attention next time
>>522568650elaboratewith the exception of serbs being insuffereable, i don't think we're much different from other slavs
>>522590974how about this, pawel?
>>522589172>orthodox were their separate thing which is why the PLC broke in half, poles just couldn't not treat them as 2nd class citizens,Dude Poland had freedom of religion due to the Warsaw Confederation and NO ONE (not even the king) could force anyone to convert, especially Ruthenian magnates like the Ostrogskis or Wiśniowieckis who were Orthodox.>again because of sarmatism.AGAIN, Ruthenians nobles were Sarmats too! Anyone who was loyal to and served the Crown and/or Litwa was a Pole/Litwin aka Sarmata.
>>522591188found jew!
>>522591227his article refutes you >>522589923it talks about 2nd rate citizens
>>522591013>being Russianno one involved was russian, it's a different people entirely>my ancestors destroyed khazariayour ancestor were a sad result of a mongol racial experiment involving people of former khazaria and their nothern finnic neighbours>You are denying Russian culture basicallyi am acknowledging it being turkic in origin>>522591188i am not blaming anyone, quite the opposite - i am pointing out how silly it is when russians of all the people start kvetching how others are run by jews
>>522590974>our pm is polish, our president is polishGood one!! How many kikes do you have around in your gov?>putin is half jew, Putin's not a jew. Not even a half a jew. And there's no such thing as "half a jew". You're either a jew or you're not. Look into who's considered a jew.>mishustin is full jewHad no idea who that was. Looked him up. Only his father was a jew which means he's not a jew.>how about that, ivan?Not an ivan. Never even met a russian for that matter you dumb negro.Fuck Poles. Traitors of the white race. Go suck on some more ZOG dick.
>>522591361it literally doesn't say that, read it again
>>522591563>Putin's not a jew>Only his father was a jew which means he's not a jew.are you raceblind, obfuscating for sake or argument or is it just your khazarian racial nature to lie?8k
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>>522573106kek, hate how i find this funny
>>522591506 You sound assmad.Why should we flood our own capital Sarkel if we were khazars? Why should we dismantle the golden horde in warfare (1380, conquest of Kazan and Astrachan) if they were our own? Probably insecurity because my ancestors created a world empire whilst yours didn't. Oh btw if you happened to read, you were dissing yourself, because I wrote itt i have polish blood. Some of yours escaped that peasant state and got a proper education ...>>522591573>The Ruthenian nobility, originally characterized as East Slavic-speaking and Eastern Orthodox,[1] found itself ruled by the expanding Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where it rose from second class status>from SECOND CLASSAs I said, proper reading skills and history knowledge is the basis. You should try getting it
>>522591013>Your own article said they were 2nd class until they converted,WTF are you talking about? Hetman Ostrogski was literally the main commander of the Lithuanian and Polish armies at Orsha where the Muscovite army was absolutely defeated. HE WAS AN ORTHODOX KNIAZ OF RURIKOWICZ BLOOD. If the Polish King/Lithuanian Grand Duke died, he would most likely have been elected as king/grand duke. Many of the most powerful Polish magnate nobles were literally of Ruthenian, Rurykowicz and Orthodox origins.https://youtu.be/NpJK-oDXBughttps://youtu.be/D7xOHHuVMeQhttps://youtu.be/mhwdKyjE-Y4
>>522592083>>The Ruthenian nobility, originally characterized as East Slavic-speaking and Eastern Orthodox,[1] found itself ruled by the expanding Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where it rose from second class status<to equal partners of the Lithuanian nobility.
>>522585090tldr turn off the vpn
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>>522591361You're an IDIOT. RUTHENIAN, ORTHODOX, RURIKOWICZ BLOODED KNIAZES were one of the most powerful with the most land in the Res Publica!>Some of the major Ruthenian noble families (all of which became polonized to a significant extent) included the Czartoryski, Sanguszko, Sapieha, Wiśniowiecki, Zasławski, Zbaraski and the Ostrogski family.[4]
>>522567876It is still better than Goymany>>522588451
>>522567876>I've noticed a great uptick of poles flooding German comment section with genocidal bickeringkeep in mind ruskies have dedicated units to sow discordPoles usually don't learn German. it's not an easy language for a slav to learn. So ask yourself a question, how come the people who bothered to learn it now use it for talking shit. >czechs calling poles goy nigger-cattlein what context?
>>522591786>are you raceblind, obfuscating for sake or argument or is it just your khazarian racial nature to lie?8kYou have no idea what you're talking about. Which part of Putin is a jew?>>522591926She was not you dumb slavnigger.https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grave_of_Vladimir_Putin%27s_parents.jpg
>>522592083>where it rose from second class status>it rose>from second class>roseLEARN HOW TO READ. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth PUT THEM ON EQUAL GROUND WITH POLISH AND LITHUANIAN NOBILITY THANKS TO THE UNION OF LUBLIN!https://youtu.be/s3Qf6MOWYtU
>>522590610>those that can't shut the fuck up about Poland becoming a superpooperI never met anyone like this. Usually Poles just complain about everything and Poland the most
>>522592182>Ostrogski>OF RURIKOWICZ BLOOD.Except that has never been confirmed. The origin of Ostrogski is unknown. > he would most likelyyet he wasn't which makes the entire discussion moot. We have attested Rurikoid branches living even to this day, yet the train already left. >>522592248yes, now read further. How did they become equal? By betraying their ancestral faith and language. Then they're not Russian anymore, but migrants.
>>522569602>184cm / 109kg It's really not that bad, isn't it?
>>522592083>Probably insecurity because my ancestors created a world empire whilst yours didn't.no they didn't, germans did on your ancestors' backs. russians gloating about russian empire is akin to indians about raj>Oh btw if you happened to read, you were dissing yourself, because I wrote itt i have polish blood.the thing is i don't really consider you any polish just because you claim to have 'some' polish blood. as far as i am considered you're all a bunch of mongrels because of forced race mixing policies in mongol empire and later in the 'russian' one.
>>522592615another one filtered by the written word. >Following the Polish–Lithuanian union of the 14th century, the Ruthenian nobles became increasingly Polonized, adopting the Polish language and religion (which increasingly meant converting from the Orthodox faith to Roman Catholicism).[>Polonized, adopting the Polish language and religion doesn't sound like orthodoxy to me. Literally the next sentence...
>>522570730ruskie about Poland are like an incel, who's mad at a woman who supposedly dumped them, even though the woman never even considered the incel to be a potential mate. Get over yourself, loser.
>>522592499>it's not an easy language for a slav to learn.other than their outlandish perception of articles it's super easy
>>522592710>The origin of Ostrogski is unknown.Nigga, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAT THE KNIAZ TITLES??? Most of Lithuanian magnate szlachta had Rurikowicz blood because 90% of old Rus used to be within the Grand Duchy of Litthuania, your backwards Mongol Golden Horde spiritual successor stat called Muscovy was the easternmost rouge state outside of old Rus. Most of old Rus, including its kniaz Rurkiwociz boyars were in LITHUANIA and were intermarrying with Lithuanian szlachta like the Radziwiłłs etc., then later with Polish noble families like the Potocki's etc.
>>522592835Ivan IV wasn't german, neither was Peter IBoth the zardom and empire were created by ethnic russians, of orthodox faith and russian language.You are attested assmad, and your massive insecurity is showing. So boring.
>>522592912I meant in general, my retarded, autistic compatriot. Just because it was easy for you, doesn't mean it's easy. Poles have issues with learning english, yet alone german. They both have similar grammar, but german isn't useful. So who would learn it and talk shit on german social media. Use your brain for once.
>>522592710>ancestral faithHold on Igor, I can agree the Polak is talking shit but all the Slavs abandoned their ancestral faith to become Orthodox Christians or Catholics. The fact Western and Eastern governments still suppress the Rodnovery movement/faith and affiliated groups is evidence enough that native Slavic culture is still being erased.
>>522592991>KNIAZ TITLES???imposters wouldn't be the first timehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dmitry_IThe direct line was through st Nevski until Ivan IV who introduced elections of Zars because the time of feudalism came to an end
>>522592710>Then they're not Russian anymorethey never were russian in the first place. 'russian' is what (turkic) muscovite invaders called themselves after slaughtering novogrodians. a similar thing happened in anatolia where newly arrived turks crated sultanate of rome named after slaughtered greeks.the muscovite khagan who crowned himself ceasar of all ruthernia btw had a policy of murdering off ruthenian boyars and replacing them with his own tribesmenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina
>>522592842>the Ruthenian nobles became increasingly Polonized, adopting the Polish language and religion (which increasingly meant converting from the Orthodox faith to Roman Catholicism).[OUT OF THEIR OWN DECISION, Polish culture was very popular, heck, POLISH WAS EVEN SPOKEN AT MOSCOW BOYAR COURTS IN THE 17TH CENTURY BECAUSE IT WAS SEEN AS BEEING MORE "CULTURAL" AMONGST THE RUSSIAN BOYARS. Polish was the lingua franca of Eastern Europe in the 17th century, just like English is the dominant language in the world today, Polish was the dominant language and culture in the 17th century in this part of Europe. No one could force a fucking Rurikowicz kniaz in Poland nor in Lithuania to forcefully adopt the Polish language or Catholic religion, they had even larger private armies than the Polish king, if they chose Polish culture, it was out of their own free will.
>>522593102By the respective time they were already 400+ years christian. Orthodoxy became the ancestral faith, you're baptised shortly after birth
>>522593340>were second class citizens>had to be polonized just to rise to equal ranks>this was voluntarily and a sign of tolerance>mental gymnastics after only 2 sentences put away your clown costume
>>522593001ivan iv was a turkic bastard adopted by an infertile, infirm man born of a syphilic whore who;s had aforementioned man's family murdered off to secure her son's inheritance
>>522592673Yeah,i guess these types usually just dwell online just like the indians.I've actualy went to that post the OP was reffering to and it was quite stupid,as he was one of those guys who larps as germanic,i don't understand this delusional gloating from any side,slavic infighting is just stupid we will always be 2nd world and none of this larping online will change that,it's sad that some people can't accept this reality.
>>522593102>Rodnovery movemenit's a gay fucking larp
>>522593678You're a jestersee >>522593663You're seething at a person long dead after 500 years, who your own ancestors nearly elected as their king.
>>522593695when 1st world turns itself into 3rd world, who's the 1st world then?
>>522593382as a sidenote:church of ruthenia recognized holy see as part of union of lublin, lives of to this very day as ukrainian greek catholic church. russian orthodoxy is but another muscovite larp
>>522593241>impostersYou're a FUCKING IDIOT. Lithuania freed MOST OF RUS TERRITORIES from the Mongols. Most of Old Rus including kniaz nobles were IN LITHUANIA, NOT MUSCOVY! You uneducated stupid Rusmongol fuck.
>>522594018>This is what you'd like to believe Yet Andrew visited future Russia not future Poland
>>522593849>You're a jesterplease explain how does a medieval ruler not sire any children - not even bastards untill the ripe age of 50>>522594217>future Russiafuture russia would be suzdal vladimir or moscowhell maybe even karakorum
>>522594216Bad manners are a sign of low intellect. Unlike the south, the north east of Rus including Novgorod under Nevski never were occupied to begin with. His line became our future Zars
>>522593663>>were second class citizensThey were NOT, after Union of Lublin Ruthenian boyars got EXACT SAME RIGHTS AS POLISH NOBILITY! All nobility in the Res Publica was EQUAL, that was the whole point of the Commonwealth which held it together. https://youtu.be/ibu-XGHUWYY
>>522594417Don't be mad no apostle ever visited Poland. At least your people got to become pope - after 2000 years:-}
>>522572278>you gave power to jewspic related was totally us ofc. but you are right that we also didn't help you guys remove the jews at all. after all, the camps were Polish
>>522594489so equal that it had constant peasant or cossack uprisings, until it broke apart in civil war
>>522594455You're Rusmongol inheritors of the Mongol Golden Horde. Lithuania was the TRUE successor of Rus, just by share territory and size of its Ruthenian/Rurykowicz nobility (larger than in Muscovy).https://youtu.be/DHo1WGy-LuI
>>522594792>>522594455
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>>522594715>pale of settlement.now guess where all those jews were resettled from and by whomspoiler: their native volga, decree of resettlement 1792 catherine the great
>>522594001We'll have to wait for 50 more years and see,it's stupid to laugh at the west right now and gloat about having 90+% white countries,it can easily happen to us too.
>>522580415Kraków and Wrocław are Embedded hotspots, but Warsaw should be fine too. Just keep in mind everything is at least 1,5x as expensive in Warsaw as the rest of the country, so a 15k job in places like Poznań will be about as good as 20k in Warsaw.
>>522594792>Lithuaniawas never part of Rus and had nothing to do with ourstiny inconvenient detail And you're another fool who never read that Ivan IV was a CANDIDATE for becoming POLISH king. Your own ancestors chose to put him as possible leader. You're spitting on your ancestors
>>522594891>>522594455https://youtu.be/MEjhB5_Te4A
>>522594982I don't gloat. I'm very aware and afraid of the same going to happen in Poland. Especially since retards vote in EU plants to steer the country.
>>522594982also I didn't say we'll become better. just the west will become worse
