Why haven't we been back? Its been 5 decades...
>>522571240Because we never went
>>522571240why haven't we got a supersonic commercial passenger airplane, it's been over two decades.
>>522571240>nobody told him, lol
We got there? D
>>522571240unsustainableprobably still is without lots of automation and roboticssame thing will happen with mars
Imagine going anywhere with that tinfoil tincan with crooked panels all over it. looks worse than a college building project
>>522571240For what? In the 90's they discussed building a base out of modular capsules like the iss. Then someone smart realized any experiments you can conduct would be the same on the surface as they are on the space station. Look at all the billions being poured into Antarctic science stations. Even that is more worthwhile
>>522571240Until we need millions of tons of steel in space, the moon will be just a tourist destination at best
>>522571240They found something.IYKYK
>>522571240>Why haven't we been back?For what?
the video clips look so fake. almost like they are miniatures with too unrealistic motion
>>522571240The jews
There’s nothing there. There’s no reason to go back
>>522571240Because you decided protecting Israel from justified retribution and babysitting the third world is more important.
>>522571240Fake , gay and homosexual
>>522571240Space is>>522575481
>>522571240Don Pettit, American astronaut, claims nasa destroyed the technology to go to the moonhttps://old.bitchute.com/video/l3HIDPjzMqFk/
>>522571240America used to be white.
>>522571240>(((NADA)))
>>522571240the water tasted funny
>>522571240can't go back somewhere you've never been
>>522575520Why did you use a space (‘ ‘) before the comma (‘,’)?
>>522575611Real eyesRealizeReal lies
>>522575676Meant for >>522575481
>>522571330Retard
>>522571240Space hobo shack thread?
>>522575198More golf and dune buggy rides.
>>522571240We brought back rocks. So we could remember the days we spent moon camping.
>>522571240Just give welfare for anyone who lives there and there will be 3 million niggers before you can say y'all'dn't've
>>522575611Why can't these retards just stop posting
>>522571240Because they probably lied about it like with everything else...
Moon landing was faked by Jews.The world is flat.
>>522571240Nobody is going to the moon before every jew is dropped into an active volcano.
>>522576555because they are retards. its in their nature.
>>522576295Want to buy some rocks from the moon?
Sorry, gotta feed niggers instead of going to space
>>522576915What do you get when you feed a nigger? More niggers who need to be fed!
>>522575676It's called the , "rapist comma" , because it rapes your niggers , ass
>>522575676>>522577056Space is fake and gay!Black budget ! It's globohomo propaganda!
>>522571240We have been back. The moon is covered in secret antennas. There were a bunch of photos of the moon on the NASA site with areas that were scrubbed over but they forgot to grey out the shadows. The antennas could be a hoax. But I wonder what foreign adversaries would gain by educating the American public that we are more capable than what is publicly known. Better for them to let us despair in ignorance. And if our government acknowledges the program then they will have to allow for more public/government scrutiny. And if it's a lie then it brings hope to more gullible paranoid types such as myself. Also, why should I trust some Jewish movie director when he claims he helped to fake the moon landing? His race and his job exist to lie. Are there any Jews that were publicly involved with the moon landing?
>>522577435Space is gay? Does it have AIDS? Idiot
>>522576644Says the kike
>>522577973>they forgot to grey out the shadowslol. always the retarded duality of NASA running elaborate hoaxes over decades while at the same time being unbelievably incompetent. this is the kind of stupid thinking you have to engage in when you believe yourself to be the amazing nooticer who thinks he's spotting the troooof.lmao
>>522578275he's a gyspy. they still think that electricity is of the devil and make hand signs at power poles to ward off the evil when they pass them.
>>522575718Polly want a cracker
>>522571341In the future you won't have clean streets and 24/7 water and electricity either, the achievements of the XX century will sound like fairy tales.
>>522571341You ever hear of the Concord? Moron
>>522576769My memories of catching my first moontrout while moon camping with my step-dad Steve are worth more than that, Anon.You Dutch are notorious drug addicts anyway. I will not trust you in business.
>>522578615He might be moronic, but you are profoundly retarded.
>>522576769>>522578664>checks flagArctic Dutch at that.The worst sort of dutchman.
>>522578559possibly yeah>>522578615you ever remember when it was taken out of service?>>522578746why moronic?
Moon is garbage anyway, and so is MarsNow imagine if Venus had actually been a huge jungle planet with dinos and shit like believed before the 60s....imagine how kino it would have been...
>>522571341We can no longer aspire and afford feats of engineering like that because we have to prop up girl bosses and babysit niggers and other turd worlders. It’s over anon.
>>522579077seems that way. i read about some small private companies working on come kind of commercial supersonic aircraft but theres not beyond test models last time i looked.
>>522576555>>522576739why did you guys take a job all day to insult flath earthers/ moon debunkers/antivaxxers?
>>522571330fpbp
>>522579810wish i did get paid like the flat earth shills surely must.
>>522575824We don't sign our posts here
>>522578664Fine, I'll just snort my moon rocks myself then, see if I care.
>>522571240The ayyys there would probe the astronauts anus if they ever dare to go without asking permission.
>>522583359you say that like its a bad thing.
>>522575718I don't know why flerfers don't make an experiment of a playground merry-go-round like 1 in the pic and just make serveral of increasing ly-larger sizes to see what the effect is when you spin them at the same speed. Would be easy enough to do with not too much money.
>>522575897These videos are incredibly gay. In real life you wouldn't be dicking around like that and risk puncturing the suit.
>>522576644>JewsOne of those is true. The other is retarded. And you're a kike.
>>522584428The videos are sped up, so it looks like they're risking more dmg to the suits than they actuall are.
>>522584428the suits were tough as fuck. it was mostly the risk of helmet and backpack damage, but it was all designed to take a fair bit of abuse.
Easy post farming thread on/pol, respect for good sliding, agent
>>522571240Nothing to gain from it until we can significantly increase the payload. The LEM was basically a superleggera landing craft. The whole point was more proving we could get their and back. The experiments performed there were pretty basic at best. Anything we could do up until Starship could be done much cheaper and safer with a drone.
>>522571240If you think man has landed on the moon give your head a check. The amount of radiation leaving earth would have killed them, and to think the moon is +130°c in day and -150°c at night. Filmed it all...(LOL) with technology that they magically lost...then made is back to earth through immense radiation with intact film...(LOL) The space race was designed to fool the soviet union into just that a race to build build build amd they fell for it spening billions on an impossible mission which ultimately bankrupted themYou have to be a fool to look at all the evidence them still think humans where on the moon.
>>522571240Only Nixon goes to China
>>522571240
>>522585084I know man hasnt landed on the moon. I also know the radiation belt is a jew lie.
>>522571240WE never wentI mean holy hell look at all the early attempts at space travel by both the US and USSRThey constantly ended in disaster and you think we went to the moon just like thatWE tried to go the moon but it wasn't happening fast enough to win the space war so finally the CIA with help from Kubrick and other Hollywood people made the best possible fake moon landing.Even now we don't go to space for the most part.Notice all lunar and martian landers never have actual audio-video? Its always still frames. Its all fake shit.
>>522579213If you are referring to Hermeus their prototype quarterhorse is attempting sustainable hypersonic flight using a hybrid conventionally fueled engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeus
>>522585301They hate space exploration because they know we would want to leave them behind.
>>522585193Gotta lie to flerf
>>522585289So under this conspiracy, what's up with the moon lander? Was it remote controlled? Like in your version of the story, men launch in a capsule to the moon on a huge rocket, orbit the moon, deploy a lander, the lander rockets back up (maybe it docks, maybe it flies away), and then the men on the capsule keep the secret their whole lives. Is that about the size of it? That the moon missions weren't faked but the actual landing part was?
>>522585289True except I don't get the obsession with Kubrick. Nothing about the sheer scale and quality of the simulations in their training studios (which were perfectly legit and at first intended for training only, not scamming anyone) is officially contested, we know that they had training footage that was so good it was indistinguishable from what a real attempt would look like. Genuinely all they had to do was put a "live" stamp on test footage and their work was done. It's why I despise all the retards who pretend it would have been difficult to fake anything, regardless of if it was real or not (it wasn't), all they had to do was repeat their full scale test for the 15th time and pretend that it was real.
>>522585444I don't think they had AI in the 60's did they? The site i was on checks if it's fake or modified not AI generated.
Turn this into a schizo thread. Are there lands beyond the ice wall like Atlantis
>>522585084>The amount of radiation leaving earth would have killed them, and to think the moon is +130°c in day and -150°c at night.you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about so you. its obvious.>>522585302that looks like a military application. im talking about commercial passenger service like Concorde
>>522585473Anon:>We never wentYou: >in your version of the story, men launch in a capsule to the moon on a huge rocketWhy are you acting retarded?
>>522585594Brother, AI has existed for tens of years. They only released it to the public 5 years ago
>>522585473>That the moon missions weren't faked but the actual landing part was?Following onto that, he's claiming the Kubrick and the CIA faked it on a setWho built the set?Where did the materials come from?Who delivered the materials?Who paid for the materials and where are the bills?Not a single delivery guy has said "Yeah I drove a truck to the middle of the desert, it was crazy"Not a single accountant said "Why did we get paid $1m when I can't find a record of any services rendered?"Not a single person asked "What does this military base need with 20 tons of grey sand?"That's where all these retard conspiracy theories fall apart - the sheer scale of such a thing, and the fact that not a single link in that chain of logistics has blown the whistle
>>522585084>the moon is +130°c in day and -150°c at nightThe extreme temperature ranges that retards like you cite only apply when the Moon has been in full sunlight (or full darkness) for 14 days.The Apollo missions all landed near the terminator line, so that it was basically early "morning" on the MoonThat led to temperatures nowhere near the extremes of full-day or full-night, and were actually closer to 50-0F for most of their time on the surface (July 20-21st in this chart of Apollo 11)Also, there's the issue of heat transferHeat can only transfer via convection, conduction, or radiation (air movement, touch, or photons)There's no air on the Moon, so zero convectionVery little parts of the lander or the astronauts were touching the surface, so very little heat would transfer that wayRadiation is the only real way that heat would transfer, hence all the white suits and reflective coating on the LEM
Completely civilian startup. That's just the shape it pretty much has to be to function. Also it's just a proof of concept prototype to test the new type of hybrid engine and materials, avionics, etc... It's not even manned.
>>522571240Space exploration is fake.Secret societies already took over every head of gov, military, science, education, etc.Japan's fake one from April 2023 looks like the back of a Sega CD game box.Bring in India and China because the higher populations fall for it easier.I can't wait to see people fall for the fake UFO and alien contact. Military mason "whistleblowers" approved lmfao
>>522585856It's fake nevertheless
>>522585865And here the nigger shill conveniently makes shit up in his mind disregarding the fact I already btfoed his retardedness. All they had to do was use simulation footage from the simulation sets that already existed, send fake but expected telemetry as they had done in dozens of tests, and that's IT. Anyone pretending as if faking the moon landing would be hard is a certified shill.
>>522586153It's why Elon has never ever mentioned wanting to go to the moon. Someone asked and Elon said>That's boring! Already been done! BORINGThat means he knows it's impossible
>>522585193>>522585594Gotta lie to flerf
Centre for Informed AmericaDave McGowanWagging the MoondoggieYou're welcome, fagets
>>522586271>we used google so there would be no bias
>>522586374>Flerf retard avoids the questions and just posts another meme imageEvery single time
>>522571330Worth a watch: https://luogocomune.net/americanmoon
>>522586374>All they had to do was use simulation footage from the simulation sets that already existedAnalysis of the regolith kicked up by the rover shows that it was done in a near vacuum and with gravity 1/6th of the Earth's gravityIt was a vacuum because the size of the particles did not affect their trajectory (as it would if air resistance existed)It was 1/6th of the gravity because the distances are known and the acceleration of an object in freefall is independent of the object's massThis has nothing to do with the framerate of the footage, so "slow mo camera" is not a valid criticismFilm manipulation of this caliber did not exist in the 1970sThat footage is impossible to have been faked on the Earthhttps://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/proof-we-landed-moon-dust/Also https://youtu.be/fMHLvoWZfqQ?t=5270
>>522571240>Why haven't we been back? Its been 5 decades...I see "been black"I must be tired, but that's a good question; imagine if it had been a black astronaut instead.
>>522585001Look at that retarded bullshit.
>>522586695>That footage is impossible to have been faked on the EarthkekSoThey had the technology to get people safely to the fucking moon and back, but they couldn't fake some film footage.RiiightI'm not even a flat earther, but the moon landing shit is so fake and gay it makes the 911 cover story sound plausible.
>>522586531I'm not a flerf, but you're shilling so you make shit up.>>522586640I know, I've seen it 3 times already.>>522587021This. Again, anyone who denies that it could be faked is deeply ignorant or a shill. Ask fucking chatGPT about the simulations and it will readily admit that dozens of full scale tests were done that were indistinguishable from the real thing. Every single picture and video we have is consistent with a simulation set, because it was, simple as. Genuinely all you need to do is show simulation footage, send fake telemetry data from any of the dozens of previous tests, and get a few people to lie. Come on shills, tell me with a straight face picrel shows heroes returning from one of the greatest historical events in History and not men who were forced to lie and feel like shit as evidenced by their all leaving NASA in the following year, avoiding the media and falling into sects and alcoholism.
>>522587021>They had the technology to get people safely to the fucking moon and back, but they couldn't fake some film footageCorrectThe physics of the dust is not possible to have been faked on EarthDo you have anything to say that isn't just baseless speculation and incredulity?>moon landing shit is so fake and gay it makes the 911 cover story sound plausibleOh nevermind, you're deep in the conspiratard black holeI sincerely hope you find you way out someday
>>522587483They are 3 military men who just got out of a 21 day quarantine giving facts at a press conferenceHere they are just after returning - joyful and proud.Also, you are a cherry-picking faggot for showing only this one clip of them looking somberThere was plenty of laughing and joking throughout the press conference>Laughing at the sped-up footage of them setting up TV (23:18)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=1398>More laughing at sped-up footage (25:12)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=1512>Michael Collins admitting that he wasn't sure it was going to be a happy ending, eliciting smiles (39:49)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=2389>Was ever a time they were spellbound (47:42)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=2862>What were your feelings, did you think you were on Earth? (48:55)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=2935>How will you restore normalcy in your life after this? (1:03:40)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=3820>We plead guilty to enjoying ourselves (1:09:02)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=4142>Admitting they played music for the guy in Mission Control (1:23:01)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=4221
>>522587565Barely 1 minute to whip out the worthless copypasta and ignore the fact you got btgo, kek, shills are so shit at their job.
>>522587642>No arguments or response to the presented facts that directly counter the conspitard's statementI accept your concession
>>522587642>complaining about pastanigger really? >>522571330have you no self awareness at all?
>>522571330Film surviving in space is one that even the most die hard shills have never addressed.
>>522587986>Film surviving in space is one that even the most die hard shills have never addressed.What exactly is your claim?That film cannot survive a vacuum?That film will be fucked up by radiation?That film doesn't exist?Be specific
>>522587986and is that exposure in any way comparable to the actual conditions during the flight?
>>522578988The dinosaurs live above the venusian clouds
>>522587021Did you know that in 237 AD, the Roman Empire, under leadership of Emperor Maximinus Thrax, commissioned an expedition that managed to successfully land Solarnauts on the surface of the Sun? Yes, it's true! After landing, the brave Solarnauts played golf and drove around in dune buggies. It sounds unbelievable but it actually, really 100% happened. While there are SunLanding Denialists that claim it never occurred or was a myth in an attempt to discredit the Emperor, to date no historian or expert in all of human history has ever been able to debunk or disprove that the Sun Landing occured. Pretty cool, huh?
>>522571240Can't.
>>522571240What for?
>>522571240The soundstage where it was filmed shut down and was razed in the 1980s.
>>522588737Why are flerfs unable to comprehend scale or 3 dimensions?
>>522587483That image is so vaginal it belongs on IG.
>>522588857its a prerequisite for anyone wishing to enter the cult
>>522588888>That image is so vaginal it belongs on IG.Quints of truth, holy shit
Because Kubrick is dead.
>>522587986I mean if they can radiation shield the crew, I don't see why they'd have trouble radiation shielding a camera.
>>522585084> +130°c in day and -150°c at nightThe moon has no atmosphere, our normal intuition on temperature does not apply.
>>522588888Checked. You can tell they're ashamed because they were supposed to be the first men on the moon and instead they have to go to the public and lie about. Then they were all booted and they brought in professional liars for the next time.
>>522588982>radiation shieldingRadiation is also not some spooky "it will instakill you" type of thingMost of the solar radiation is alpha and beta particles, the former is blocked by a piece of paper and the latter blocked by aluminum a few millimeters thick And guess what the Apollo film was contained in
>>522588982They didn't shield the crew. Their excuse is that their exposure during the trip through the Van Allen radiation belt was brief enough not to effect them. It would still effect film though. That's why they told you not to put your camera through the x-ray machine at the airport.
>>522571330/thread
>>522588829What about the spacecraft themselves?
>>522571240The moon isn't black.
>>522589366>That's why they told you not to put your camera through the x-ray machine at the airport.What is the energy of the X-ray machine at the airport?How does that compare to the energy of an X-ray from solar radiation?What amount of material will block the energy from a solar X-ray?
>>522571240They lost the nazi engineers.
>>522589366>They didn't shield the crew.and right there is how you know this moonhoax faggot hasn't a single clue what he's talking about.> x-ray machine at the airport.and what do you know about that? is it even remotely comparable?
>>522589542Who said anything about solar radiation?
>>522589766>Flerf ignores questions because they are devastating to their argument and asks another question for more engagementI accept your concession
>>522589582Yet somehow delicate film can survive this.
>>522589822You changed the subject because you knew you had no argument. Look up what the Van Allen radiation belt is before opening your stupid fucking mouth.
>>522571240Space is bull shit
>>522571240It's not exactly Vegas.
>>522590006ok. how about you try to get some actual numbers about this instead of staying in the zone of uncertainty where you can waffle on about shit you dont understand?what kind of dose does that baggage scanner expose things to? how does that compare to a chest xray? was the film directly exposed of was it always inside something else? come on. make a case.
>>522571240Go to a place. To see what's thereThere's fuckall there. It's not complicated. It was mainly about promoting the space race and getting that egg off our face after Russian cosmonauts beat us.
>>522590627Stay coping, jeet.
>>522590939its ok to not know. its not ok to keep want to stay that way and just keep calling things fake that you have no clue about.
>>522575718Now go drive in a car Tell me what happens to you
>>522591109>keeps saying I have no clue>has yet to present any sort of argument whatsoeverYet I'm the schizo....
>>522590006>delicate filmtell me more about the film too. notice how in the pic above it said that the film was ISO200? thats a faster (reacts to light/radiation quicker) than the film used during apollo. i think the fastest was ISO160, slowest maybe 80. they chose slower film in part so that what radiation exposure there was wouldn't show up much if at all.
>>522571330The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They can not leave this enclosed plane alive.
>>522591109I'm constantly amazed at how a person can have the entirety of human knowledge at their literal fingertips through the InternetAnd yet they consciously choose to remain ignorant by putting zero effort to gain that knowledgeIt's quite sad
>>522591244you're making the claims about the film and the radiation. it up to you to make your case, not to fling shit and see how you can get to dance to your retarded little tune.
>>522591275The surface tension of water makes it want to minimize contact with the airIn microgravity, that means forming into a sphere, or in this case into the cylinder and minimizing the exposure to airIt is not gravity holding it in the bottom, it is surface tensionThis video was from a class session they were giving to grade school students, who had the same objects in their classroomThe students floated the ping pong ball on the water, then the astronauts showed how they could push it down and it would stay thereThen they pulled it off the (velcro'd) surface and spun it around, again showing they are in microgravity.https://youtu.be/0qEzdxLls5k
>>522591255>to keep want to stayI don't argue with jeets. Learn the language if you're going to live here.
>>522591279most of these moonhoaxies are just trolling i think. the real ones that look into this stuff at all just ignore whatever they dont want to think about because it threatens their preferred belief.
>>522571240'We' won a stupid dick size competition because the Soviet Union successfully bluffed with its half-assed stunts. 'We' need an expensive goal with stupid justifications.
We have been to the moonThere is no way the amount of evidence would stack up over 50 years and still holdFrom laser ranging of the reflectors, 3rd party from different countries, that are enemies etcIts too much for any one to take control ofthat said, we are definitely not getting the full story
>>522591348>if i pick out typos i winyou're really scraping the bottom of your shill tactics barrel now aren't you
>>522591307You can leave now. I accept your apology.
>>522571341because america land of regulations, created some heckin great regulations to control faster than sound travel over america. we all know that america is fond of regulations and the regulations were neccesary to protect peoples eardrums from a sonic boom(which at 45k ft is a lot less than a car backfiring) and not just a pathetic bit of protectionism because Concorde was created by yuropoors. in 2025 thankfully american eardrums have evolved enough, so that faster than sound travel can be allowed over america, luckily just in time for the first american supersonic jet liner. isn't that nice?
>>522591318You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJK1gLHbOxA&t=1136s
>>522571330Anyone who brings up the van allen belts can be safely dismissed as a troll.
>>522586640>Buy my DVD!
>>522591453Baggage X-ray machine, not passenger X-ray machineYou have never left your mother's basement, have you?
>>522591512oof. Try again, moonie.
>>522586374AgreePeople like to act as if it's some insane feat to match expected data within reasonable tolerances It's not hard at all. I can simulate complicated magnetic field behaviour on my laptop, I can make something in a computer that tells me how a piece of metal behaves when I run electricity through it on free software. The military to consumer pipeline is more or less in line with this (50 years or so ahead of us) They would do preliminary calculations by hand/mechanical calculator back then, but they had computers primarily built by mathematicians for mathematical use, with billions of dollars. They could easily fake telemetry.
>Flerf uses AI Google results that are constantly mixing up sources and just repeating the same garbage over and overIt's all so tiresome
>>522591453are you really posting stupid AI shit instead of trying to learn about things properly? look up the model of scanner for a start. ive just read a short paper on rad exposure from these things. see pic rel. they mention that scanner used in your pic above. it all depends on how long the scan was, how far away the emitter is from the film, was the film 'naked' and so on and so on.
>>522587746You've posted nothing but disingenuous bait while they patiently responded this whole threadDo you really think this is a gotcha? You look retarded and glow like all fuck
>>522591853Yes and film going through an airport scanner with less than 10 seconds of exposure will ruin it. The astronauts had 1-2 chest x-ray levels of exposure for several hours. Yet film is somehow intact. It's common sense, Ranjeet.
>>522571240What's up there?> rocksThat's it?> yesokspace nerds are so gay for rocks
>>522591400That's more or less true They don't want to have to reconfigure because anything not shitshovelled into their faces is illegitimate and they don't like uncertainty. People shilling any idea with 100% certainty is mentally retarded. The only certainty we have is purely observed. Anything else is wankery.
>>522591993>Yes and film going through an airport scanner with less than 10 seconds of exposure will ruin it.what kind of radiation? what kind of energy, flux etc? what was the film in, how far away from the emitter. come on, stop waffling.>The astronauts had 1-2 chest x-ray levels of exposure for several hoursno they didn't. that was the approximate exposure for the entire mission...not constantly getting exposed to chest xray radiation for hours on end.
>>522591858>they patiently responded
>>522591486Why because you watched a youtuber >DEBOOOOOONK It with condescension and insults and claims that the van Allen belt is like totally cool and solved?
>>522592205>>522591400Ironic. It's you who's beliefs feel threatened. Keep drinking the kool-aid, saar.
FYI:0.10 mSv = Chest X-ray0.0001 mSv = Airport Baggage Scanner, threshold for ruining high ISO film0.10 mSv = threshold for ruining low ISO film0.30-0.50 mSv = Estimated Astronaut Exposure traveling through radiation belts (with shielding)0.50-1.80 mSv = Additional exposure per 24 hours outside the belts from solar wind (with shielding)11.4 mSv = the estimated amount of radiation that the astronauts on Apollo missions received for the entire trip
>the van Allen belt is like totally cool and solvedWell it isVan Allen himself confirmed it
>>522592221You reek of mossad shitposter
>>522592329not at all. you've provided not a single thing to threaten anything at all, especially my belief that you are a retard.
>>522571330
>>522585856LLMs are as new as OpenAI. People were working on AI like Richard Stallman in the university circles and by Ralph Abraham in the MPP. But modern LLMs rely on GPU compute power, LLMs like we know it did not precede 3D gaming.
>>522592356Van Allen never went to the moon, He's a mathematician.He has no more certainty than you do, and why would an academic publicly support any conspiratorial thinking. Furthermore, you didn't post anything of value. >claims that the landing was hoaxed >I hereby sign this letter regarding an old website I see what you're implying but I'm saying it is meaningless.Even if they landed on the moon, the footage the public saw of it is fake.
>>522591675>They could easily fake telemetry.They already did, those are called tests. The big lie is to pretend that it would take inventing something new to lie when absolutely not, making tests is normal, having a simulation set is normal, all they needed to add was a few key people lying and that's it. They could very easily fake the moon landing, that is a fact, the only question is did they, and all the evidence points to yes with some proving that yes, like the responses arriving too quickly for supposed transmissions between the moon and Earth, on the original officially completely non-tampered audios.
>>522592411That's why you're so defensive about your precious moonhoax. Because you aren't threatened at all.Btw,>to keep want to stayis not a typo. That's you not knowing how to speak English properly.
>>522575897>>522584428kek, they're having a gay old time alright
>>522592717maybe im just annoyed at morons spouting off garbage and never feeling that they have to actually make a reasonable case using any data etc. yeah, its that.
>>522578805good save
>>522592717>is not a typo. That's you not knowing how to speak English properly.it was because i had two ways of saying the same thing in mind and, being a little tired, didn't notice that id included a word from the other option. you know this. everyones done it. you're just a troll or a shill that wants to keep getting (you)s. you might not get too many more from me.
>>522591275Fuck off kike
>>522571240>Why haven't we been back? Its been 5 decades...you lost the german blueprints, faggot. it was v-2 rocket technology and schwob brains/talent that landed on the moon.regardless, that's rightful jeet/chink clay these days.
>>522592814Tyfys, watching flerfers backpedal away from specifics is a hobby of mine. There's a guy on /x/ that's a lot of fun too.
>>522578988Those dinos are all on Mars but a few kilometres below the crust, trust.
>>522571240Our society decided it was more important to devote the vast technological and scientific resources of our nation to devising new ways to fry chicken and get fucked up.
>>522592974are you the anon thats been going back and forth about parallax etc? i just jumped into that discussion too
>>522592814You would think the most important event in mankind's evolution (now 70 years old) would be meticulously publicised and lauded over, taught to aspiring scientists and children and -But no. We deleted it all. Sorry I think we taped Janet Jackson's nipple over it?
>>522592974>everyone is a flat earther Nice try mossad retard
>>522592925I'm white. I proofread before I post because I respect the system of communication. Have a good night, saar. Don't forget to redeem.
Van Allen radiation had been measured several times prior to mission, Explorer 4 etcFilm used was of the shelf because they could test it in the lab due the the data they hadRadiation was minimal due to flight path, a fraction of a CT scanLunar Laser Ranging data has been consistent for 50 years and is a widely studied field that involves precise data that gets processed over many 3rd parties, institutions and is used in lunar modeling, any discrepancy is highlighted and investigated by pretty much every observatory group on the planetWe have been there, was the footage fake is another story, my opinion, they had to do it on return during quarantine and thats why they looked so bummed
>>522593093Those shills always bring at least one flat earther impersonator with them in coordinated shilling raids.
>>522593054They TiVo'd episodes of ALF over the moon landing tapes. Oops, my bad!
>>522575604That looks like a fucking kike
>>522571240we are going to mars, anon
>>522593054no, they didn't. all the data is there in the reports and was used at the time by the respective groups.>>522593161>they had to do it on return during quarantinethey were in that same building the entire time. and theres nothing wrong with the film or photographic evidence anyway.
>>522593017That's because all the dinosaurs on Titan kept dying and turning into methane oceans.
>>522593358not saying there is but they definitely looked bummed about something
>>522578428If the moon landing were real there would be a scientific lab on the moon, like we do on Antarctica. They're no infrastructure on the moon because we never went there. Simple as.
>>522571330I just don’t think it’s that hard to hit the moon with a ballistic missile
>>522571240Aliens told us not to or they'd destroy us. They don't want us expanding out into the galaxy and becoming an interstellar civilization.
>>522593546what is this belief based on, anon?
>>522593493>they definitely looked bummed about somethingIf you ignore all the times they were laughing and joking, yeah, I guess>Laughing at the sped-up footage of them setting up TV (23:18)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=1398>More laughing at sped-up footage (25:12)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=1512>Michael Collins admitting that he wasn't sure it was going to be a happy ending, eliciting smiles (39:49)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=2389>Was ever a time they were spellbound (47:42)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=2862>What were your feelings, did you think you were on Earth? (48:55)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=2935>How will you restore normalcy in your life after this? (1:03:40)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=3820>We plead guilty to enjoying ourselves (1:09:02)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=4142>Admitting they played music for the guy in Mission Control (1:23:01)https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=4221
>>522593520there are 8 laser reflectors used by all the main observatories for Laser Lunar Ranging
>>522593493maybe having been locked up doing mission debriefs and medical shit for weeks on end instead of going home to their families had something to do with it. and maybe they just weren't much for being on camera and stuff that day, i dont know. they seemed to warm up as things went along.
>>522593520thats a very silly argument. theres no base at the bottom of the mariana trench but people have been there too. see what i mean?
>>522593620>>522593646Again, not saying its fake footage but I am 100% sure there was more going on behind the scenes, which of course there would be, just from a national security perspective, it was during the cold war
China published unmanned lunar photos, they don't show falloff at all.
>>522571240Extremely expensive and basically worthless. You can justify the first flight but repeating it makes no sense at all. Perhaps the Chinese will do this because they have a lot of spare cash and it will be a good way to declare the end of US dominance.
>>522571240White men landed on the moon and there's nothing your shitskin ass can do about it LMAO
>it's easier to go to the Moon than fake the moonlandings, trust me>t.the only alleged moonlanders to ever existYou know something is fake and gay when you hear these retarded catchprases being thrown around.
>>522586695You can't tell the size of the particles from the footage.
>>522593646So you admit they're acting strange for men who supposedly walked on the moon and were giving a press conference about their experience?Did you watch the whole video? Do you notice how they always pause and speak very carefully and deliberately? How they cast their eyes downward and press the lips together? How they glance at each other before answering a question? You have to be pretty unaware to not see that something is clearly very wrong. Or a liar.
>>522593816>just from a national security perspective, it was during the cold waroh i agree with that for sure. you can bet there were certain things and certain areas that they were told to avoid talking much about. it could have given an informed russian listener some tips on how to do stuff or whatever. i think thats what that statement analyst might have been picking up on when he took a listen to some of the things Armstrong said. But then again, im not really sold on the way he bases his entire opinion on how many personal pronouns someone 'should' use all the time. its a it of a stretch.
>>522571240It's physically impossible to return to a place you have never been to, Einstein proved this.
>>522594131>So you admitnope, not at all actually. i think they were behaving in a way thats perfectly understandable given what they'd been doing the previous weeks.>blah blah blahi think they want to make sure to give out accurate information.
>>522594060China also published close-ups of the surface texture and they don't look anything like what they're "supposed to"
>>522575718Fucking glownigger
>>522590627If we understood how to get to the moon then it would have a population. We never went
>>522594060>You can't tell the size of the particles from the footage.You don't have toAll you have to do is see that there is no variation in the arcs of the blue data points that would correspond to different sizesIn short, if it was in atmosphere, the trajectories would be spread out and not follow a nice parabolic arc like thisIt does follow a parabolic arc, meaning the size has no effect on the trajectoryBut here's the paper in case you want to use it in your own research paper showing how they did something wronghttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/258606632_Ballistic_motion_of_dust_particles_in_the_Lunar_Roving_Vehicle_dust_trails
>>522593604The prime directive
>>522571341>most of the replies thinking the Concorde was designed and made in AmericaJesus the US education system is a joke. Also the reason it was discontinued was because it can only land in two airports and before it retired was flying empty because the seats cost more than a first class ticket in every other plane. There's no reason to fly in an overpriced coach seat only to get there two hours earlier.
>>522594363restating a silly argument doesn't increase its truth value.
>>522571330FPBP, literally what I thought as I entered the thread.
>>522593635Lasers bounce off the moon naturally.
>>522571240We were trespassing, and the inhabitants told us to fuck off and never come back.
>>522577435whoah we went faster than the sun and shit?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyiQKcMJjOo&list=RDGZNQyapOowc&index=2
>>522594536>There's no reason to fly in an overpriced coach seat only to get there two hours earlier.enough people thought so for it to be in service for 20 years. it was great and people loved it.
>>522594264That's a different sound stage though, of course the "regolith" would be different. The Chinese stuff would be highly toxic as well but there would be no PPE for the stooges. It saves on "traffic accidents" and other coincidences.
>>522594665but with far less accuracy and return strength.
>>522594479star trek isnt real actually
>>522594264>China also published close-ups of the surface texture and they don't look anything like what they're "supposed to"That image is from Yutu-2, a Chinese rover that landed on the far side of the MoonAll Apollo missions all landed on the near side of the MoonAgain, all of this is a simple 2-minute Google search away, but you refuse to do even the most cursory of examinationWhy not?Why do you immediately jump to incorrect conclusions?
>>522594789pretty sure its a troll. he's stating stuff which is deliberately deceptive. only imperial storm troopers are so precise.
>>522594744>star trek isnt real actuallyI'm disappointed you didn't use this time to post the meme
>>522594665kekare you fucking seriouswe are talking about the same basic physics as shining a light in clear air compared to fog
>>522571240You don't have nazis to steal credit from anymore
>>522594744Why doesn't elon make replicators?
>>522571240Conservatives are very dumb.
>>522594685By 2003 with the introduction of lie flat seats there's really no reason for 5k one way tickets when back in 2003 a business class costs 1k and first costs 2.5k. Also after 9/11 Amerifats took all of the fun out of flying.
>>522595065it was a great way to travel and companies could afford it. dont be such a sour puss. concorde was cool.
>>522594789Do you realize that all of your arguments are just appeals to authority? Do you just believe every single thing the government tells you? Especially post covid, that's cringe as fuck.You know that's the exact opposite of science right? Somebody who is exercising skepticism and scrutiny over an authoritarian narrative is more scientifically minded than you are. What you're actually doing is dogma. Your belief system is faith-based not science-based and you don't even realize it. SAD! Many such cases.
>>522595142all your arguments are just 'nuh uh' expressions of incredulity.
>>522586374So are you saying that the people in Mission Control thought it was real and were getting fed fake telemetry data?
>>522595129I never said it wasn't, it's a halo product. It just wasn't profitable for BA and AF.
>>522595142Says the guy who ingested horse paste because his masters told him to.
>>522595232Yes, as they had experienced dozens of times in tests. Their job was to monitor telemetry and if it went off course for any reason try to help guide the rocket back on its course or towards Earth. Since everything went according to plan (because the mission wasn't real in the first place), all they did was clench their cheeks looking at the expected data coming in and praying it stays that way.
>>522595218>"Try to make a conspiratard make a firm claim" challenge>Difficulty: impossibleOnce you see their tactics, that's all you will see when you engage with them
>>522595218Do you have an actual response to the accusation that your arguments are entirely appeals to authority? Or are your principals such that "no U" is a valid form of reasoning?Is your position actually defensible? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that evidence seems to be lacking especially in the category of credibility. Almost all your evidence comes from the US government that is known to be one of the least credible organizations on the face of the planet. Yet that is who you're trusting to verify this absolutely absurd narrative that we flew to the moon in the 60s and played golf. The null hypothesis is that it didn't happen, the burden of proof is on YOU.
The lost tech part was pretty tragic thoughThe Vietnam war put paid to most of it, when budget restrictions started, they started losing supply chains 65-70 and then Apollo 13 pretty much done for the whole thingProbably due to the budget restrictions and trying to cut cornersThe Vietnam war wasn't worth it, talk about a wrong turn
>>522571240Well, either we have secret space flights and are already colonizing planets, or we’re regressing both socially and intellectually.
Evidence>Almost 16,000 images scanned at 1800 DPIhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/>Dozens of hours of videohttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a11/video11.htmlhttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a12/video12.htmlhttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a14/video14.htmlhttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a15/video15.htmlhttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a16/video16.htmlhttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a17/video17.html>Hundreds of pounds of moon rockshttps://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/samples/
>>522595360Great argument! Truly you must be one of the top minds of Reddit.
>>522595238i think BA made it profitable eventually. but yeah, it was an expensive thing.
Reminder that 90% of people who thinks the Moon landing was fake are brown.
>>522595433This plus some of the evidence proves that what we're shown is entirely fake. Impossibly short response times, moon dust acting in impossible ways, proofs of wires, the flag moving when every astronaut had been inside the module for 15 minutes already...
>>522595433>Is your position actually defensible?of course it is. im still waiting for someone to actually make a case to support their claims about radiation and the film. still hasnt happened.
>>522595649>some of the evidence proves that what we're shown is entirely fakePlease produce this evidence
>>522571640so who put the landing module on the moon you silly little hat ? It was found even recently by a chinese moon mission.Only a Saturn V could have put that there,. because of its mass. At this point, since moonhoaxers are forced to accept that Saturn V was real and was able to bring that gigantic mass to the moon, in what thing don't they believe exactly ? In the human component of it ? That was 5% of the challenge, max. Moonhoaxers are an endangered species.
>>522588857You can be 100% certain they flat earth is a glow op and the purpose of the glow op is related to moon landings because online discussions about the moon landing have a 100% incidence of flat earthers hijacking the thread. This is obviously impossible given how rare flat earth beliefs are, and even if they were not rare, you would still by chance expect at least one moon landing thread somewhere on the entire internet to exist that doesn’t also have flat earthers in it.
>>522595649>Impossibly short response timesthere are none. sometimes an astro would reply to something said previously just after the next question came through, or sometimes there was like an echo or something on the feed, but there really isn't anything like you're saying. >wiresno, there isn't. there was a fairly long flexible metal antenna sticking up out of the life support backpack and sometimes it caught the light. thats all
>>522595777Trips of truth
>>522595680I cited it in the same post you fucking Actually Indian shill.
>>522595656Do you acknowledge that almost all of your evidence comes from the US government?Do you consider that to be a credible source? Do you think it's reasonable for other people to not trust the US government?
>>522595793these guys get so full up with all these silly little points from watching too many moonhoax videos on youtube. they very rarely want to slow down and examine each point in detail though, because that spoils the propaganda effect they were exposed to. they will watch things like american moon straight through without ever pausing to check out any of the shit that gets said.
>>522595811If by "cited" you mean "made a bunch of unsubstantiated, vague, and incorrect claims" then yeah, I guess you "cited" your evidenceBut in reality, people who "cite" things actually provide evidence or a link and not just making claims, all of which have been refuted already
>>522595960It's really easy to explain people are skeptical of the US government how hard is that to understand?You believe the US government, they don't believe the US government. That's it. Of the two, they are way more rational than you are.
>>522595686>Recent images of the Apollo moon landing sites have been captured by multiple space agencies, with the most detailed views coming from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). >The LRO has provided the sharpest images ever taken from space of the Apollo 12, 14, and 17 landing sites, revealing astronaut paths, the Lunar Module descent stages, and other equipment left behindgood luck moonhoaxers. Those.foundings are the smoking gun that the Saturn V was real and was capable of sending that gigantic mass to the moon. If you say it was unmanned, you are making it even more science fictional, which further destroys your argument. There is no way out for you.Just give up and capitulate, mkey ?
>>522595894well, since Apollo was a program run by a US agency thats to be expected. there are however many confirmations of what that agency has claimed and provided by way of physical evidence (lunar rock samples for example have been analyzed by people all over the world for many decades now).,> Do you think it's reasonable for other people to not trust the US government?i think its reasonable to look at each thing in and of itself and see if it stands. that all by itself protects you from any falsity that might exist.
>>522595960That's why they only communicate in memesThe meme is the perfect indoctrination toolYou pose a question, then before the brain can answer, your meme gives them the answerIt short-circuits critical thinking and the brain is therefore more apt to accept the given answer instead of looking into it themselvesThen they switch to a different meme, overwhelming the targetIt's why you can MD5 Archive search any single one of their images in this thread and find dozens of examples of them posting it
>>522596106Do you acknowledge the US government has extreme credibility issues?
>>522596083try focusing on the things themselves instead of existing in this silly state of 'all things are fake if the government says it'. its retarded. im the one saying that you definitely should check things out.
>>522596093Other countries have verified the Apollo landings too, including China, who would love nothing more than to disprove an American achievement>India's Chandrayaan2 Orbiter (pic related)https://www.backyardastronomyguy.com/apollo-isro>Japanese SELENE orbiter scans the surface for 3D topograpy, and the results match Apollo 15 photoshttps://global.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080520_kaguya_e.html>The scientists also spotted traces of the previous Apollo mission in the images, said Yan Jun, chief application scientist for China's lunar exploration project.https://english.cas.cn/newsroom/archive/china_archive/cn2012/201202/t20120207_81106.shtml
>>522596170i think its a seriously retarded generalization and it doesn't actually matter, because you can check out the stuff they say, and should do so anyway. skepticism is built in.
>>522595967Watch American Moon if you want the details you faggot, but you won't, because that 7 year old documentary destroyed your shit, and even though you and your jeet friends are here every single day to shill, you somehow don't have time to write anything to debunk their observations. Fuck you faggot, kill yourself, you are spiritually jewish and physically subhuman.
>>522596282no, it destroyed nothing apart from the credibility of the people who made it. its total retard bait, and you fell for it.
>>522596183I'm asking if you acknowledge or do you deny that the US government has extreme credibility issues?Do you acknowledge that the US government engages in disinformation and propaganda campaigns?It's funny that even though these are basically rhetorical questions for any intelligent person that you still refuse to answer them.
>>522596282>I cannot provide evidence for my claims because I just repeat what I heard in a Youtube videoI accept your concession
>>522596256Why do you feel the need to answer the question in bad faith instead of directly just admitting that the US government has severe credibility issues?
>>522596371Watch the documentary, retard
>>522596106there is much more proof than that:>The Indian Space Research Organisation's (ISRO) Chandrayaan-2 orbiter captured images of the Apollo 11 Lunar Module Eagle descent stage at Tranquility Base in April 2021>The Chandrayaan-2 orbiter also captured images of the Apollo 12 landing site in the Ocean of Storms, near the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.it's jover for moonhoaxers
>>522595142You’re a literal retard
>>522596221Much easier to fake those things than to actually send people to the moon and back
>>522596452>Watch the documentary, retardI haveAnd then I looked into the claims that it made, found them all to be incorrect or misinterpretations of the truth, and realized that I wasted 3 hours of my life
>>522596468Great argument, but answer the question.
>>522595420What about the communications with the space ship? They’d have a whole team for that and I imagine part of it would be aiming the antenna at the spaceship
>>522596452Can you provide one single specific point from that "documentary" that you believe is the most solid proof? Give as much details as possible.
That quote is taken out of context by moon landing deniers and is easily refutedThe question being asked was "When you looked up at the sky, could you actually see the stars in the solar corona in spite of the glare?"https://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=3889The key phrase is "IN THE SOLAR CORONA"As they transited behind the moon they tried to capture an eclipse-style photo of the corona, pic related (AS11-42-6179)The answer was first from Armstrong who spoke about being on the surface, and then he said>I don't recall, during the period of time that we were photographing the solar corona, what stars we could seeTo which Collins added "I don't remember seeing any" again in reference to the time they were taking the photoshttps://youtu.be/Yz6nzutr7RU?t=3956The answer was very clearly about a specific point in time, when they were photographing the corona
>>522596503Would you agree that the US government has severe credibility issues? If you are supposedly such an objective thinker you should be able to answer this question instead of dodging it.
The lunar rover on Apollo 15, 16 and 17 all had a remotely-operable TV cameraThe astronauts were instructed to park the rover a certain distance away and the commands were relayed from Mission ControlBecause of time lag, the motion was preplanned ahead of time and issued 2 seconds ahead of the countdownOn Apollo 15 the tilt mechanism malfunctionedOn Apollo 16 the rover was parked too close, so the planned controls did not keep the ascent stage centeredThey got it (mostly) right on Apollo 17All 3 videos are found herehttps://youtu.be/fLlt9ZdCAfU?t=64Further sourceshttps://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N38K1VM/https://www.redsharknews.com/technology-computing/item/2742-how-nasa-captured-lunar-lift-offhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMHLvoWZfqQ&t=280s
>>522596282There are 8 Lunar Laser Reflection arrays on the moon, placed by different nationsThese are used to constantly measure distances using precise lasers and receivers by the top observatories across the globe, that data is then used by every astronomical department at some levelThis data has been extremely consistent for 50 years and in that time has been through countless hands and models (thousands, probably tens of thousands)Its literally impossible to fake
>>522596617>Would you agree that the US government has severe credibility issuesResponse 1: In general, no, they do not have serious credibility issues>HURR I KNEW YOU WERE A SHILLResponse 2: Yes, they have credibility issues>HURR THERE YOU ADMIT THEY DIDN'T GO TO THE MOONThere's no winning with you, so why bother?
The "lost technology" is because the parts used are no longer manufactured and the skilled crafstman are also goneThe guidance computer was a bunch of wires running through magnetic rings for fuck's sakeThe You can't ask Ford to make a '76 Ford Mustang that will match the materials and processes used back in '76That's what he meant.Most of the facilities that were used to hold the Saturn V were repurposed for the Space Shuttle, so they are no longer appropriateBut we can make better rockets, which we've already seen with Artemis Ihttps://youtu.be/2XmxDea3JhE?t=475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMHLvoWZfqQ&t=7512s
>>522596542You’re a literal retard
3 of the 4 landing legs had 5-foot long probes to detect contact with the ground, pic relatedWhen they detected contact, the astronauts cut the thrustThere is clearly dust being blown away as they are landing and the thrust is activehttps://youtu.be/xc1SzgGhMKc?t=1050Also, there is no atmosphere on the moon, so there is no "cloud" of dustIt just moves out and to the sides but never loops up into the airhttps://youtu.be/HKL_ThQQ_VA?t=106
>>522596452They'll never do, they're genuinely just obsessed shills trying to maintain a 50 year old myth alive. They had 7 YEARS and nobody in the entire establishment with infinite billions of dollars and free time has produced even an attempt at refuting any part of the documentary. >>522596558That's an extremely specific detail, I can't answer.>>522596650Already debunked by American Moon, those laser reflections were officially done multiple times in the early 60s by the Soviets AND the US. So either unmanned space crafts somehow managed to get to the moon, or that reflection is just a natural particularity of the moon and they're just gaslighting us. In any case, no it did not come from humans setting foot there, that is an undeniable and uncontested fact.
>>522596331the apollo program is a monumental proof of white supremacy so the US would have never promoted it if it wasn't true. Being a complete anti-white jewish organization today, I am surprised it hasn't already mobilized for feeding the hoax theory itself.
>>522596697Are you trying to frame your responses to win an argument or do you actually have a real and sincere position on the topic? Can you not just plainly answer the question?
>>522571240The food was lousy. And the natives are refusing to pay the taxes we imposed, so fuck 'em.
>>522596831You’re a literal retard
>>522596331>>522596435>that you still refuse to answer them.i am answering them, just not how you want me to because im not playing your silly game. even saying 'the US government' is a nonsensical statement because its such a massively broad category. For example, i dont think that the US government meteorological agency has extreme credibility issues when it comes to their online forecast products, and there are many such examples more.So its not a simple yes/no question, and the fact that you think it is doesn't bode well for your accuracy of thought.I dont really see how NASA has extreme credibility issues, though im sure you will be happy to post up lots of silly videos that you think prove the space station is also fake.
>>522596791blah blah blah. You still can't explain this without the reality of a working Saturn V:>The Indian Space Research Organisation's (ISRO) Chandrayaan-2 orbiter captured images of the Apollo 11 Lunar Module Eagle descent stage at Tranquility Base in April 2021>The Chandrayaan-2 orbiter also captured images of the Apollo 12 landing site in the Ocean of Storms, near the Surveyor 3 spacecraft.It's jover, wypipo went to the moon. Live with it.
>>522596568The lighting on many of the photos that were allegedly shot on the moon are off. You have noticeable spotlights and studio lighting that just wouldn't happen on the moon with natural sunlight. One of the photos even has an astronaut clearly in the shadow of the lunar lander brighter lighted than the surface on the moon to the sides that is directly sunlit. An impossibility without a strong second light source.
>>522596791nobody denies that unmanned vehicles places the russian retros, but the US had no such program. and yes, the laser does indeed return from the bare lunar surface. its just a lot less useful for real accuracy. see >>522594740
>>522596791>those laser reflections were officially done multiple times in the early 60s by the Soviets AND the USLiterally done half of every month for 50 years>or that reflection is just a natural particularity of the moonIts covered in dust, basic physics tells you that it would not be able to reflect a focused beam of light, thats why headlights are less effective in fog
>>522596968Okay forget about NASA for a second you've answered a question I didn't ask, but now I'll make a note of your position that you believe NASA has an extreme amount of credibility.Let's go back to the previous question which is do you think the US government has severe credibility issues? (Note NASA is a US agency but it is not the US government)
>>522596791Wouldn’t a lot of people involved have realized in the run up that they weren’t capable of doing it? Like they would be failing tests or whatever, how could the project have kept moving forward if it was failing mission necessary things in the lead up period? Wouldn’t everyone be like well this doesn’t make sense, we failed to do this thing and now we’re just moving forward anyways even though we literally don’t know how to do this necessary thing?
>>522597068>The lighting on many of the photos that were allegedly shot on the moon are offGreat!Show me a photo that you claim has these irregularities, preferably using a high quality source like https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/Please note that the astronaut suits, the LEM itself, and the lunar rover (on later missions) will reflect light and cause "fill" into otherwise shadowed areasAlso note that terrain can make shadows seem to change direction, as in pic related
>>522597068>without a strong second light source.there would be double shadows all the time. but there aren't
>>522597068>The lighting on many of the photos that were allegedly shot on the moon are offhow was the lightning in the images of Chandrayaan-2 orbiter that saw the landers of apollo 11 and apollo 12con the moon, champ ?
>>522597068>One of the photos even has an astronaut clearly in the shadow of the lunar lander brighter lighted than the surface on the moon to the sides that is directly sunlitThanks for making a specific claim!Show me that picture, please!Again, here is a source you can use to find ithttps://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/
>>522571330>> modern NASA: "Van Allen belts are dangerous, we must solve this"Where/when did they say that?
>>522597159>that you believe NASA has an extreme amount of credibility.well, i didn't say exactly that did i. but i dont see any reason to believe that it has extreme credibility issues, which is what you asked.>do you think the US government has severe credibility issues? im really not sure what you're not understanding about this. its a stupidly generalized question that isn't yes/no. how can you not see this? im sure you will think that im being evasive for whatever dastardly reason you want to assume, but the fact is that its just a bad question. it lacks focus and usefulness in the extreme.your question has extreme credibility issues
>>522597276will you stop talking about the 1969 pics and start talking about the 2021 pics of the Chandrayaan-2 orbiter ? They represent the smoking gun the Saturn V was real and was able to do the job. No recovery from that by the moonhoaxers.
>>522597068I guess you don't understand what the word "specific" means. What one specific photo has something "off" about it, and what about it is off? Again, be specific. Low IQ incel copeposting is not being specific.
>>522597349>Where/when did they say that?It is a line taken out of context by conspiratards when an engineer was talking about the electronics on ArtemisHere is the claim, additional information, and then the person himself discussing exactly what he meant and why the mission he was discussing was not a human mission profilehttps://youtu.be/fMHLvoWZfqQ?t=3781
>>522597349its from an interview with the guy who was designing the nav system for the Orion capsule, and it took place long before the thing ever made a test flight. He was talking about protecting the nav computer electronics from the effect of particle radiation, modern micro circuits being more sensitive that the apollo AGC stuff, because if the nav computer fucks up, it could lead to endangering the crew.he wasnt talking about rad exposure to the crew. that wasn't his department.
>>522597349Stop asking to be spoonfed. Watch the fucking documentary, and if you're too lazy for that, just go search for that extremely famous interview. Stop that disingenuous nigger leftist tactic of constantly asking for muh sources for EVERYTHING just to tire out your opponent.>>522597177They did, which is why many higher-ups of the project left it in 67 after the catastrophic burning alive of 3 astronauts. Those who stayed, first off they needed their salaries, and second of all they were high on years upon years of country-wide propaganda and the need to not be humiliated and fail at the promise made by the beloved JFK that it would happen "before the end of the decade".
>>522597383Well, I mean it's even worse if you can't acknowledge the simple fact that they definitely have severe credibility issues. Don't think that you would find one in a thousand people that could disagree with such a statement so I don't know why you're resisting it so fiercely except that you think it has a negative effect on your personal belief system.You could just say, yes they have huge credibility issues, and join the 99.99% of people on planet Earth who know this and can acknowledge it easily without dancing around it.
>>522597202>>522597213>>522597264>>522597276>>522597482Just watch the documentary you helpless little babies, do you need to be spoonfed everything? This one is at about the 3h mark. https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?si=ynRFYUUOqn-uRmNa
>>522575897Jesus, they sent the teletubbies to the moon.
>>522597504>50pbtidThe most seething to protect your fragile moon-believies. I've n'ar seen such cope. You are literally 1/6th of the posts in here.
>>522597573>Watch this 4 hour long schizo rambling videoNo, most of us have better use of our time. It's funny how you have all the time in the world because you don't have a job or friends, and don't understand that the rest of the population has better things to do with their time.
>>522597573>extremely famous interview.lol. famous for being completely misconstrued by people who want to hear things they want to hear.>>522597616> they definitely have severe credibility issues. who is 'they'? why cant you be any more specific than the entire US governmental system? its ridiculous.
>>522596791>So either unmanned space crafts somehow managed to get to the moononly a Saturn V was able to bring that mass on the moon. So the 'somehow' is called Saturn V, which represented 95% of the challenge of going to the moon. bringing men with it was the other 5%.You are saying that you doubt about the 5% of the apollo program.
>>522597715Scared it'll change your mind?
>>522597573>Stop asking to be spoonfed.No, M. Frog, I was demanding justification for something that didn't seem right, and it wasn't right?
>>522597667watched. its stupid and full of lies and half truths. >>522597703>noooo dont reply to our bullshitlol.
>>522597772Where are the lies? Where are the half truths?
>>522587986It's called lead lol.
>>522597766Why would nonsensical schizo rants change my mind? Try to make one specific concise argument instead of "watch this 4 hour long schizo video". This is why you are still a basement-dwelling virgin neet at age 28.
>>522597772>everybody is muh trolls>feeds trollsWho's the retard here?
>>522597859pick a 'question' (im just asking questions bro) and we'll see
>>522597667They'll never do it, somehow they have time to argue for dozens of hours on those threads but not a single evening to spend watching the documentary about something they're supposedly so passionate about. Or they pathetically lie like this jeet "I-I could totally debunk it yeah... but uh... it's too easy yeah that's it it's too easy so I won't do it ha!" 7 Y E A R S and they still haven't produced a single response.
>>522596221>who would love nothing moreThat's pure speculation on your behalf.
>>522597766No, have seen enough of these debunkings. Despite your amazement that certain parts of it were relatively easy, that's the wonder of outer space. Newton's laws can really work their magic there in some ways. Astrophysics is the easiest physics. And we had the math for the relativistic corrections already for 40 years by then.
>>522597931spend not an evening but 5 minutes looking at this:https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/when-chandrayaan-2-found-neil-armstrongs-apollo-lander-on-the-moon-2517826-2024-03-21that invalidates anything any moonhoaxer can say.
>>522597888I made a specific point you jerk.>>522597927Why do all of those pictures look so fake? Second question, how did they get those reputable photographers to say on camera that they think those photos look fake?
>>522597667Light scatters off of the regolith, and reflects onto the astronautLight scatters off of the astronaut's suit, quite aggressively in fact, and acts as a fill lightSimulations using ray tracing shows that this is exactly the amount of light exposure you would expect in this situationhttps://youtu.be/O9y_AVYMEUs?t=191
>>522597724The judiciary, the executive branch and the legislative branch. Pretty easy. I see that you're still just dodging the question. The fact that you don't understand or can't answer the question says a lot about where your principles are.>What is 2 + 2 ?>Well that depends on what you mean by 2 and you know + doesn't always mean the same thing to all people>Really depends on what the definition of the word is is...This is what you sound like. People can see right through you and you expect people to take your position seriously when you can't answer a simple question? It's an anonymous message board in a thread that will be deleted in 30 minutes and you can't answer a simple question.
>>522598011>saaaar look at our moon lander saaaaarkek
>>522597889im certain its me.>>522597888its a well made movie in terms of production values and i think thats a lot of why people fall for it. the content is just the same old recycled moonhoax crap thats been answered for reasonable people the whole time.the problem is that guys watch it but never seem to get past it into learning something about the program itself. they go no farther than the little snippets it gives them on each little subject and so cant effectively judge if what theyve been told is accurate or not.
>>522597931>not a single evening to spend watching the documentaryHow about years learning physics and engineering?
>>522598039>I made a specific point you jerk.No you didn'tYou just said "Watch this horrible documentary that I watched and bought without a shred of critical thinking"Oh, I guess you did say "This picture doesn't look how I think it should look" without any further critical thinking as well
is this a bot thread ? the real arguments don't get replies.
>>522597931The reason why is because to them, even though in their own mind they believe it is scientific and objective, in reality it is a religion to them. They believe it entirely based on faith handed down to them from anointed persons just like any other type of scripture.
>>522598046That's been debunked in the very documentary I'm referencing. Just watch it, dude, instead of bringing up points it has already addressed
>>522598039>Why do all of those pictures look so fake?which one?>how did they get those reputable photographers to say on camera that they think those photos look fake?they showed them altered images. ie. they lied.https://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/2014/07/532-how-come-famous-photographers-claim.html
>>522598039Your "specific point" was "watch this long nonsensical schizo rant". You can't even put down in writing a single logical argument.
>>522598152I told you about the astronaut in the shadow who's lit as much as the ground in direct sunlight. No amount of refracted light on any suit can make that plausible, you need a mirror or a second light source. I made this point already but I've made it extra clear for you now.
>>522598170No, I can spot physics bullshit a mile away. It is very hard to say a sentence correctly if you don't know what you are talking about, let alone hours and hours of explanation.That's part of why I respect Musk, who also coincidentally is succeeding in space travel. Because when he talks about technical things, he makes no idiotic mistakes. It might be true or false, but it's not idiotic, and few people can achieve that level.
>>522598057>I see that you're still just dodging the question.you're seeing what you want to see. im just trying to narrow it down so that something meaningful can be said in reply to you. some peopll in government had credibility issues. some dont really. see what im getting at? your broad 'they all have extreme credibility issues' line is worthless. its not helpful at all.
>>522598270>If I just repeat my incorrect claim over and over, that makes it real because I want it to be real
>>522598170I don't believe they even care about that, they're just shills. They argue like shills. Actually stupid or wrong people cannot endure staying on free speech platforms, it's too painful for them, if they stay for so long they are paid to do so.
>>522598209>>522598209>which one?e.g. the one I posted. Do you have alzheimers or are you playing stupid on purpose?>they showed them altered images. ie. they lied.Proof that. Those photographers are able to look up the real images, have they ever retracted what they've said in the documentary? I have heard nothing.
>>522598101idiot, I have posted an indian source for not relaying only on NASA sources. NASA provided recent orbiter pics of practically all the apollo landing sites:https://www.planetary.org/articles/2019
>>522598270which photo is that? sometimes they were looking at images which had the exposure pushed for publication in the media. the contrast is often quite different in the original. wouuld need to see the one you mean.
>>522598338That's you. That's nasa.
>No uThat, and personal incredulity, is all the conspiratards have
>>522598172You'll never change their mind. It's a waste of time. Moon-believies are a cult. If they were to question their own beliefs they'd crumble. They don't have the inner-fortitude to accept that their world-view might be wrong. $100 says they all got the vaccine too.
>>522598375>india sooper pooper saaar, india can into space!!!sure thing buddy>>522598392They have all the photos directly from nasas website. Why would nasa doctor those photos??
>>522598370oh no, sorry. didn't see your first post with the pic. yeah, so what you're seeing as an altered image. they pushed the exposure on Aldrin so that he stood out more. the original, if you care to find it, is different. but yeah, there was a quite a bit of light being reflected from the ground and from armstrongs suit (the material, beta cloth, reflects about 90% of all light hitting it). thats why theres light there in the first place.
>>522598370>Those photographers are able to look up the real images, have they ever retracted what they've said in the documentary? I have heard nothing.maybe they never bothered to check. like most people who watched the movie.
>>522598392what was the exposure of these images that orbiters have taken of all the apollo landing sites, champ ? https://www.planetary.org/articles/2019https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/when-chandrayaan-2-found-neil-armstrongs-apollo-lander-on-the-moon-2517826-2024-03-21
>>522598537So NASA altered the photos for publicity but didn't tell anyone until it got pointed out that they look super fake? What a way to strengthen their credibility.
>>522598504>They have all the photos directly from nasas website. Why would nasa doctor those photos??yu have to make sure you're looking at an unaltered original scan. i can tell you for sure that the one you posted of aldrin has had the exposure altered in processing because iv looked up the raw scan before. he's a lot less bright in that.
>>522598566I checked, what they show looks like what's on NASAs database.
>>522598537Here is the original image, which has clearly been touched up in the one the Kraut showedAlso, there's likely some optical illusion going on here because the Apollo suits were almost pure white, while the regolith is greySo the color is different, but they seem to be the same, so our eyes assume they are the same thing
>>522598504I see that you deny space faring itself. That means you need mental treatment. Sad.
>>522598310Yet you won't answer it. Intellectual cowardice. Why should anybody listen to your position or your point of view on anything if you can't answer simple questions? Why are you standing in defense of the US government's credibility so fiercely? So do you believe everything they tell you or do you just pick and choose what you want to believe and throw away the other parts? Do you think that there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq? Do you think that covid vaccines work? Do you think that Oswald killed jfk?
>>522598641So where are those unaltered scans? And why did NASA didn't disclose originally that their photos were altered? Why should I believe that those "unaltered scans" weren't altered after the fact to look more believable?
>>522598633its just whats done sometimes. the originals are all online so you can check. you see the thing is that while you learn that some of the famous photos have been tinkered with a bit to make them look better for publishing and think ' AH HA, ive discovered their deceptions!!1", most people just understand that you obviously want the iconic images to 'pop' so that everyone sees them at their best. most photos are fine tuned in post processing to some extent, even if its just cropping to get a better composition.
