>Evolution did this bro
>nooo you can't do mechanical motion with carbon
>>522591814
>>522591947carbon deez nuts
>>522591814I'm glad you've come to your senses, keep on.
>>522591814Correct, which is why there are thousands of variations of molecular motors
>An all powerful, knowing, and loving God designed this
evolution did THIS
>>522592141DId you know that jaguars or leopards can be blackn panthers.
>>522591814if it works, it works
>>522591985Christianity is fake and gay, i unironically believe in Gnosticism
not understanding evolution is flat earth tier
>>522592136The butthole smells and tastes good. You’re not a real man.
>>522592530They're into civil rights? Figures. Pussies.
>>522592739>>522592739you're a faggot
>big heavy light and space bending areas moving aroundwhat did god mean by this?
if god real then why do men have nipples hmmm?
>>522592625That's nice. Now face the wall.
>>522592844You’ve never had sex
>>522591814>rabbi Jeshua and his merry band of sandniggers are responsible for this!
>>522592667Big Bang is a hypothesis too and a retarded one at that
>>522591985And literal billions of people in this world unironically believe this shit.
>>522591985The Bronze Age Jews who came up with the story were retarded and didn't realize that insects can't breathe underwater, so they weren't on the ark.
>>522591814yes, you dumb fuck
>>522591985Slave ships could fit more than 3500 people despite being smaller than the TitanicI guess the Transatlantic Slave Trade must be a myth too
how come christfags on pol NEVER attack jews only non believers?
>>522593206>>522593267no one takes the story of noahs ark literally except for literal cultists
>>522591985So heres the thing, they ate the animals on the ark, thats why we dont have a bunch god made. Mostly the tasty ones.
>>522591985>completely made up numbers>in reality Noah's Ark only carried 1 pair of each KIND
>>522591814Yes its amazing that biological nano machines came into existence without any intelligence involvedThis is what atheists actually believe yesand that's why most of the rational world mock them
>>522591814I'm not Christian but anti-christians act like such faggots
>>522593326Attacking Atheism IS attacking jews thoughJust like when we attack CommunismIts all Jews
Evolution is an idea that had been tossed into the code of our world, directly into the NPCs to throw us off from understanding the origins of our world. They don't want to use know about the out of bounds. If we discover the spawn points in which humans, animals, and all life appear from, then we will soon discover that all our lives...are like a video game.We have all been programmed with the following tasks: Collect coins, save the princess, and beat the level. The video games within our world prepared us for this. Remember, the conception of the Atari was the beginning of the end. Life is like a video game, and you will never stop collecting coins. Save the princess. Beat the level.
>>522593529Jews call atheism a sin, its in the Noahide laws
>>522593188Evolution is different that the theory of evolution. Evolution itself is a fact. Even retarded young earth creationists will admit "microevolution" is a real observable thing. The theory of evolution is just the explanation of the process we see. Same thing with the germ theory of disease and atomic theory. Humans can observe germs attacking our cells and we can even observe atoms with an electron microscope, but these things are still considered theories.
>>522593326Christianity is a kike psyop
>>522593630You're never beating the level.
>>522593175>>522593326Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.The bible has always taught racism and anti-semitism.Anybody teaching otherwise, be it in support or in opposition, is preaching heresy.- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_XPYour ancestors, be they popes, saints, pastors or other members of the church have taught racism and anti-semitism.Your ancestors, be they conquistadors, cossacks, pilgrims or other soldiers of the church have practiced racism and anti-semitism.- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_NIChristianity is the definition of "right-wing" political ideology.Hitler himself, as well as the national-socialist movement, were blatantly Christian.- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_KAEven today there's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic.Feel free to reply to this post with others.- https://rentry.org/Deus_VultCommon glownigger attempts to silence the truth about the White man's religion:>"off-topic"This post is both politically incorrect as well as on-topic with this thread.And not only is the pope a monarch of a country, many White nations are still monarchies with no separation between church and state.>"automated spambot"The staff sees that I'm active in other threads.And I don't tend to reply to glowniggers, as they argue in bad faith anyway. >"spamming/flooding"This post is only posted once in this thread.And the requirement for "posting a duplicate reply" is to wait for 5 minutes.
>>522593450Who created god then moron?Infinite possibilies means anything can happen with infinite time. An exact clone of me somewhere in the universe has a harem of furry succubi and is fucking all of them. There are also infinite you's doing things like that to. also you came into existence without any intelligence involved, so why not a nanomachine?
>>522593529christcucks are all jews
>>522593723Saar
>>522593370You guys say this about every retarded story in the Bible, but Christianity is founded on these retarded stories. The Noahide laws are sacred. Jesus was sacrificed because of "original sin," which means Christians are supposed to believe in the retarded Adam and Eve story.
>>522593450>most of the rational worldOh no I'm being insulted by Pajeets and niggers. Oh and amerifats of course, but I repeat myself.
>>522593743>harem of furry succubi and is fucking all of themAtheists proving again they’re atheists only in fear of being judged for their degenerate sex practices and lives
>>522593758
>>522592394swag
>>522591814>an omnipotent deity needed to make things complex instead of simpleThis always seemed like an argument against creationism to me desu
>>522593848Cute that you left out Poland which is the only country on your continent that has a future
>Super Jew's daddy did this bro
>>522593881Christcucks and kikes are far more degenerate in their actions, they repent and then sin again
>>522591814>3D model>no links>scientistswhy are jews so bad at this psy-oppery?
>>522593928Why would an all powerful God make things that have to run forever on his God magic to function? The clockmaker idea is best.
>>522593881Answer the fucking question fag Who created god
>>522593965>Zero rebuttalAs expected.
>>522593319THIS GUY BELIEVES IN NOAH'S ARC! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! WHAT A FUCKING RUBE!
>>522594010Religion in general is a cope/hope and primarily used to create a perpetual invisible enemy while their real enemies take advantage of them.
>>522593767?I’m not a Christian but only a very small percentage of Indians are Christians, many more are Hindus, I’d expect them to be shilling for Vedanta or the teachings of Yoga (as in, yogic meditation, or the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, not yoga exercise and stretching classes), not Christianity.
>>522594030The picture is a flagellum, most likely. And it doesn't even operate like those christcuck videos show it, but rather it flails around in a somewhat proper direction. Creationists depict it as some mechanism instead of proteins clinging to each other in funny shapes.
>>522593326>picit's consistent in the sense that having convictions/faith is ok while not doing so is not.so what if some guy insults jesus? why does someone feel the need to defend a God? He can't handle the job himself? lame
>>522591814Evolution is an effect, not a cause, and consequently it does nothing. It's a product of other processes, and as such not responsible for this.
>>522593450No, the “blind watchmaker” story is the one that actually fits the evidence: incremental selection pressure over billions of years turns simple replicators into walking nano-factories. We’ve watched it happen in real time with bacteria evolving new enzymes and proteins in the lab.Saying “it looks designed therefore God” is just the argument from incredulity dressed up as insight. Theists are the ones insisting an invisible super-intelligence poofed everything into existence with no mechanism or evidence, then mock others for following where the data leads. That’s the real midwit cope.
>>522594177Pajeets like to latch onto Christianity to grift. They dont shill their own religion because it i doesn't pay off
>>522593450>biological nano machinesIt's just a few proteins. Stop trying to make it sound complex. It's a variation of several such structures with different functions.
>>522593965Poland’s “future” is 0.99 TFR, 400k net emigration since joining the EU, and a shrinking workforce so bad they’re now importing Filipinos and Nepalis by the hundreds of thousands while pretending it’s temporary. Same replacement script, just a few years behind Sweden. Clown cope.
>>522594336Everyone uses Christianity to grift. Christians are very gullible and they assume everyone who says they're a Christian is sincere. If someone validates their retarded belief, they support them no matter what. Even guys like Milo Yiannopoulos who spent most of his life getting his colon shredded by niggers.
>>522594149Because when the universe is just a test for the afterlife, nothing here really matters.
>>522594240>OY VEY ANON, I KNOW I'M A NATION SUBVERTING PARASITE BUT I BELIEVE IN GOD TOO GOYIM!your an absolute retarded buffoon
>>522594304Designed by random processes failing and dying a hundred trillion times before coincidentally yielding a working, self-sustaining result.>repeat a hundred trillion times over 1 billion yearsWow, a single celled organism!It's like the million monkey theorem - and not evolution either. Evolution is the fact they eventually produce some legible sentences, not the monkeys, their typewriters, or the fact they're typing.
>>522591814This shows all of the signs of being designed by a magical kike.
>>522594240God seems very petty or is always depicted as needing validation from his followers. when i was a kid opening the bible i expected to see god portrayed as either unfeeling or effortlessly loving, instead he just feels like all of mankind's insecurities projected onto a deity. I thought thats why people stopped believing pagan shit because the gods were inherently flawed and threw tantrums all the time. Like god literally tortures a man because he was dared by satan. That sounds like something a kid would do to impress jocks, like "hey kid i bet you wont throw a rock at that old guy" Wtf? I cannot worship a god that is easily ragebaited by a devil he created and refuses to remove for plot reasons.
>>522591814The existence of God doesn't contradict evolution. You don't have to take the Bible literally like a retard.
>>522591814That only seems impossible to you because you don't know how evolution works.I would bet my left nut you think it is just small incremental change, single point mutations accumulating over vast time. It is not. Unfortunatly most people, believers and atheists alike think they know how evolution works but actually don't.It's not your fault though, this is a case of lying by oversimplification. The way it is explained in school is simplified to the point of just being fales.In reality evolution is far closer to being: any functional units are mixed and matched untill you get larger, more complex functional units, which are then also all mixed and matched in turn. Large parts of the genome are reused, combined, "tested"...Also, people tend to think change is incremental. Like a new leg would form over millions of years starting from a bud and growing over generations. This is false. Once you have a developmental program for any orgna or part of a body, it can be duplicated or modified, some times with as little as a single mutation that changes expression or sensitivity of a hox gene.We can replicate this too by the way. If you have a system as complex as carbon chemistry, and you provide it with energy and if the system involves replication, variation and selection, the sytem will increase in complexity. Any constant increase in complexity over a long enough time scale would result in highly complex systems forming.But as i said before, it is not as crude as that. We have evolved to evolve better.
>>522594549I agree, but im just naming pajeets in particular. People who are low iq probably do not actually grift and believe that shit for real
>>522592625>i unironically believe in Gnosticismthen you also believe in noah's ark retard
>>522591814>he thinks molecules were reallol
>>522594967>he thinks molecules were realThey sure looked that way when the burgers broke two of your cities down to molecules.
>>522594571Except it matter more than anything. You are infinitely punished for thought crimes.
>>522591814Evolution is a paste-and-baling-wire process that comes up with half-assed solutions like pushing teeth through babies' gums and menstruation. Survival of the fittest is a technical term that covers a lot more close-enough-is-close-enough than actual design. Nothing on this Earth looks like it was designed by a perfect creator, while everything that lives has the hallmark of just-in-time solutions accumulating over generations.
>>522594883in order to take the bible metaphorically you would have to recognize it as a piece of fiction, which Christcucks dont want to admit.
>>522591814That's just a rendering. Not evolution did it but some human with help of a computer.
>>522591814It also did this.
>>522592394>Me carrying all my racist and antisemitic thoughts
>>522594967science doesn't know wtf is real, they keep changing their story every now and then. Physicists are now telling us the universe isn't real either but yet the non-existance of God is always a firm truth to them.They know absolutely nothingbut hell will take care of themAccept Jesus as your Lord and Savior as you will be free from the flames of perdition. A simple task, but the fedora's ego weighs them down like the heaviest stone.
>>522594571>a test>nothing here really mattersthis is your brain on religion
>>522595174>Physicists are now telling us the universe isn't real either but yet the non-existance of God is always a firm truth to themLying for Jesus is still lying.
>>522594858You should consider that monotheism is a rather recent invention. Nobody seriously believed there exists precisely one god until maybe 1900 years ago. The Hebrews weren't monotheists. Yahweh was simply the god of Israel, other people had other gods, and even that idea is no older than 2500 years, possibly barring some priestly schizo circles.
>>522592141nah pretty sure that was AI
>>522594967I thought asians were supposed to be smart.
How do we advance Humanity to the point where we can spread out among the stars?Easy. Round up all the creationists, flat earthers, moon hoaxers and evolution deniers and sterilize them.Do this for every generation at puberty.This is the humane solution.Stupid people will die out and finally Humanity can fulfill its destiny.
>>522595174You follow the evidence and there is no evidence of a Semitic genie who created the universe with a magic spell.
>>522591814OMG! Millions of years of natural selection, of which a human being can understand exactly zero of due to the limited lifespan of said organism, fucking trial and errored together some amazing shit! There is no way this happened! My Jew book doesn't mention it therefore it's not real. My Jew book literally just showed up in geologic time a motherfucking split second ago and it's absolutely right about everything. Or whatever dumb fucking book an idiot human wants to emphasize.
>>522592844> i bet you fuck girls, fag
God took dust and created Adam and breathed life into him. Whether that happened instantly or over 4 billion years it does not matter because it doe not affect your salvation
>>522595288Most of the people with that flag are weebs who have fake jobs "teaching English" in Japan.
>>522595174Scientists give updates. The more we advance the more we find out. Religion doesnt attempt to improve itself or revise. instead there are thousands of versions of christianity that cannot get facts straight either.
>>522595330>You follow the evidence and there is no evidence of a Semitic genie who created the universe with a magic spell.Wait till the christcucks learn about the history of Yahweh. He used to be the jews' Ares in their polytheist pantheon but they elevated him to main god and removed his father, wife and brothers (though forgot to remove some passages from the bible), just for the hope of winning battles.
>>522592136
>>522595405I thought Japan gatekept?
>>522595174And god explains what exactly? Did you ever look at a religion, you illiterate shill? Because they change their opinion every fortnight and can't agree on anything even when worshipping the same supposed god.As such science is a vastly superior religion, indescribably so because it's actually evidence based.
>>522591985I mean pre flood people were like 30 feet tall or something? So times those numbers by 6.
>>522595421They saw what the Egyptians did with Amun-Ra and didn't want to be outdone. They did the same thing with Jesus too. Every religion in the Roman Empire had some kind of suffering deity.
>>522592394>I'm a faggot and nobody can't stop me
>>522595174Yeshua sucks
>>522591814>Magic man in the sky did this bro
>>522594156>using the image of a demon for your reaction imageUh huh...
>>522594967>>522595288>I thought asians were supposed to be smart.It's a faggot english teacher, not ethnic Japanese
>>522591985If there were 50000 animals then provisions would last way more than 1 year lmao. If you are a jew then with 2M insects it would last millenniums.
>>522591814>this proves my retarded book is reali believe in a higher power, that of whites and powers unknown to us, nothing the likes of kike on a stick or a pedo sand nigger
>>522591985the kikes also claim they were living up to 200 years old and shit like that lmao
>refutes this entire thread>published in 1986Imagine getting btfo'd this hard lmao
>>522595163lmao
>>522595270that's evolution
>>522595329Better: Set an IQ cutoff for men (stringent) and women (lax), also screening for hereditary defects, and then let that relatively smaller group of fertile men impregnate all the females (compulsory, at least 3 or 4 times or so).Not that this is a cure-all, but it's a step in the right direction and by far the most humane possible solution to avoid human extinction.
>>522595715i guess im not an atheist then i believe this as well
>>522591814Yes.Problem?
>>522591814So the prophecy was true
>>522591814Yes? What do you think your bronze age circumcised rabbi did this? Fuck outta here.
>>522593743That... that is not how any of this works. I may be an atheist, and a scientist, i may not agree with creationist approach to how the world works, but i hate fags like you more than the creationists.>>522593817They are meant to be stories with a moral to learn. The bible is in essence moral philosophy told in a way that would make it more important than law. It is specifically designed to enforce morality using your own inate sense of it as a guide and a guilt trip. It is brilliant for its time. That doesn't make god real, but it does make the bible a brilliant piece of literature and moral philosophy, a social glue to hold communities, nations and a wider europe together.>>522594171Funnily enough religious urge and beliefe has massive evolutionary advantage. People fail to understand that our greatest advanatge as compared to other large mammals is heard/tribe size. Sure weapons are great, but we couldn't go past the stone age, and even with the best of weapons coldn't survive if we didn't build large societies. And before laws, before the romans, religion was the key to making any tribe larger than about 200-500 people (which is a natural size set by how many people you can reliably get to know and trust without a system for shared morals and cooperation). There is extensive literature on this.>>522594222Molecular dynamic simulations always make biology seem so ordered. Reality is far more chaotic, less efficient, and more... retarded. Most biological systems are a clusterfuck. If god exists, he writes spaghetti code.
>>522594737This. This is what i mean when i say people don't actually know what the FUCK they are talking about when it comes to evolution. It's not random, there are mechanisms for gene duplication, reduntant genes functional combination, mixing and matching, whole developmental programs copying, etc... RNA is a great first replicator it can function as both enzyme and data storage, and a strand as short as 250 can copy itselfe. And we see how all the mechanisms of better evolution emerge from there. It's not putting random nucleotides next to eachother and hoping to get a cell. Its putting functional parts next to functional parts to make new functions. >>522594883This on the other hand is completely correct. In general my experience is more than half of the scientists i know are non religious, but only by a bit. The head of the organic chem department at my alma mater is a devout catholic, and he is no stranger to evolution. I asked him once about the subject and he says he sees the beauty of god work in how evolution works. To each their own.
>>522596064lmao
>>522595116This. I wanna see real pictures. BTW did /pol/ know that pic related apparently can apparently be turned into a 3D model of a double helix.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_51
>>522592394I watched that gif longer than I should have
>>522591814We went from chemistry to biology because the the molecules wanted to become life in some sense. Atoms and molecules possess will.
>>522592394Where is he going?
>>522591814I'm real. I can make a video game character. But I can still play Spore, which simulates a video game character being created by evolution, or by intelligent design.God's real. God can make a thing. Or God can also make a thing via random generation to make it look like it developed from the world, or by making something that he creates but is still also made to look like it came out of a world governed by physical laws.
>>522596355You're telling me that humans wouldn't geniunely be curious enough to gather in large groups without religion?
>>522595025Top fucking kek!>>522595030An actually good answer? And from a canadian? What a strange day this is turning out to be...>>522595163Medium but stil pretty decent fucking kek!>>522595174>science doesn't know wtf is real, they keep changing their story every now and thenThat... that's kind of the point anon.>Physicists are now telling us the universe isn't realAs shit as modern physics is, no one says this. Not a single peer reviewed paper has ever said this. You are succeding at baiting me, because i really feel a strong urge to call you a niggerfaggot. Which you undoubtably are.>>522595194Also, a test for what? Shouldn't he know the outcome? Epicurean paradox and all that...
>>522593666Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESNI-FvFyQ
>>522593743>Infinite possibilies means anything can happen with infinite time.
>>522591814The appendix.Check and mate, pastanegro.
>>522596355but to justify religion based on evolutionary fitness is to make a kind of epistemic/doxastic consequentialist argument: to believe what benefits you. which is just straightforwardly wrong (in the objective sense of wrongness).and what is religion on that kind of argument anyway?
>>522592394Why does he do it?Does he do it for free?
Science and scripture are best friends. They support each other
>>522591814Evolution doesn't rule out belief in God. In fact, evolution can only be completed with divine intervention.
>>522593743Imagine using A theism to pretend you will ever lose your virginity in this lifetime all while raging at the god who decided you werent meant to reproduce. Truly mind broken by god lol you must be especially disgusting and degenerate to have no reedemable qualities in gods eyes. The further down the higgs rabbit hole scientists go the more they believe in god. The alternative is the last batch of humanity gets speghettified for eternity caught in the event horizon of a rogue black hole or burned up by the sun. So why are we ruining our current quality of life to "save" a doomed planet, if you only believe in science and not god we are all doomed the planet is doomed and the compassionate choice is to not dave the earth and pass the buck to the next generation so on and so fourth until doomsday.
>>522596599>It's not putting random nucleotides next to eachother and hoping to get a cell. Its putting functional parts next to functional parts to make new functions.Yes, although there's a lot of chance involved still, in those parts encountering each other in the right situations.Odds are "life" didn't evolve merely once. It went through the first steps many times but died, until eventually it set off a chain reaction - and that's all life is: a self- perpetuating chemical reaction.The only real question is: why would it want to perpetuate itself? In essence: the will to live must already be present in very basic forms, and may be another defining feature. Possibly it's simply a "coincidence", a consequence of the laws of chemistry:>react everything you can get your hands on In the context of the million monkey theorem this part, of combining already functional pieces, is when eventually they combine some of their legible sentences and the result makes sense.
>>522591814It only took a measly 1 billion years from single celled to multi-cellular life. I'm sure no amount of significant evolution happened during that time.
>>522591814Yeah who knew 1's and 0's could automatically gen a big titty goth chick with language commands.>1's and 0's actually did that bro
>>522591985It was bigger on the inside
>>522595174>flames of perditionfanfictionliterally
>>522597173The question there is why would you need a god to start this cosmic Spore game, especially if the game begins at virtually nothing, content wise. It would be very boring for the first half a billion years or so, if not longer.>existence is a shit game nobody would want to play from the beginningMaybe he increased the time multiplier? But that's also pointless since there's never any interaction required.The starting parameters, if they exist, are unknown to us much like god, so it's pointless to bank on beliefs, especially since by that logic god would also need to have a beginning, or be created.If god can "simply exist" or come from nothing so can the universe or existence itself.
>>522592394look at him go
>>522591814>>Evolution did this broman, it's just a theory in biology and a principle across other fields...it's man made fiction that correlates with some aspects of observable reality...it's not a religious dogma though treated as such by idiots in the scientific community
>>522595715I like this approach. Approuved.>>522596874Fun thing is, we actually can image this stuff now. A TEM is a fun machine. This is just one, but you can google flagella transmission electron microscope and see the internal structure and everything. >>522596992No, we did so because carbon chemistry has infinite posibilities, and when provided with energy, the activation threshold for reaction is overstepped and larger molecules form. It's a system of set parameters and infinite posibilities provided with energy and by extention a local reduction of entropy. Basically the sun burning increases entorpy over all but reduces entropy on earth to a lesser extent. >>522597180Sure they may trie, but without rules that apply to all and are sufficiently enforced, that wouldn't work. We have laws and law enforcement for that now, which works... to an extent. But the religious urge helps groups adhere to a common set of beliefes and rules which is a less sophisticated, but less learnt, more inate and simple form of laws. Speeds things up and works from the getgo.
>>522595330I am a witness. God is real.>>522598201 God is infinite infinity and nothing are never intersecting.
>>522598201Makes me realise just how pointless it is to wonder about the existence of existence. Of course it exists, and why it does or how it started is a pointless question.It's in fact reasonable to assume existence has always existed, because that's what it does, and isn't reliant on time exactly. Likely it also cannot end conclusively, but possibly take a different form, that would still be existence however.
>>522598484I don't have a problem with that, and even worshipping this "object" (for lack of a precise term) because it is indeed the creator, if it's simply existence or the entirety of being, or the "lawgiver", much like it's reasonable to worship the sun, that we have a lot to thank for, but neither of them will really do anything or react, or be of consequence beyond its inalterable habits: in essence human actions cannot affect them - although there's some theoretical chance of humans eventually affecting the sun in some form. It's far less remote than the "substrate of creation" - even though it is everywhere. The power to create is manifest in every single atomic particle, and possibly space itself, as a sort of zero-point energy, manifest in pair production, for instance.
>>522591985The flood story is a parable. The ark dimensions, the construction materials, etc, they're all symbolic. Stop reading the bible literally as if you have a 3rd grade reading level.Video explanation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B54Ofpf26Ek
>>522592625I'm not religious at all really, but gnosticism is by far the most interesting and logically coherent branch of christianity if you ask me. Christianity simply has no good answer to the epicurean paradox of evil. Gnosticism "solves" it by simply stating that the creator of this material universe, that we would perceive as god almighty, is in fact a misguided lesser divinity, or even an outright malicious lesser divinity. Pinning the creation of this flawed material existence, rife with limitless suffering and pain, creates a theology that is more logically consistent than one where the benevolent, all powerful, all loving god subjects us to the torture of material existence and punishes his creations for all eternity if they don't live up to his code of conduct.
>>522593723Christianity is an explicitly anti-racist ideologyThe new covenant with god is universal in the christian ideology. It explicitly extends to all of humanity. The justification that christians had for the destructive actions of conquistadors or crusaders or whatever is that they were fighting infidels who rejected the universal covenant of god, not that god had rejected the races of the infidels. There are no damned peoples in christianity, only damned individuals who reject the word of god. You literally cannot justify being racist and being a christian. I am not a christian.
>>522597394>epistemic/doxastic consequentialist argumentI know fuck all about philosophycal analysis (and i'm ESL), i have no idea what these words mean. I read some philosophy like a decade ago when i was an edgy teen (mostly nietzsche and spinoza), and that's about it. So please use plain english if you can, i too do my best to avoid biology jargon. But in the rare case that i DID understand you: i'm not making the argument religion is true because it is beneficial for us. I'm saying it is beneficial for us. Not true. I don't believe in any god.>>522597415Why does he do it?It is in his nature, and it is his job.Does he do it for free?No, he gets ATP for his troubles. Barely a living wage though, and when he can no longer work, he is mercilessly ubiquitinated and ground to mush in a proteosome.>>522597478They can, if you are not too arrogant about one or the other.>>522597558No, i'd say they are entirely separate. One is a working model on how, the other is one option for why. Neither is ceratine, and they try to answer different questions.
>>522599189Why would people even be damned for not believing the teachings of Christ in life? God could have tried harder and everybody would have believed,but in any case: I don't remember Jesus saying everybody who doesn't worship him as God is damned (whatever that even means).In fact he never told anyone to worship him. They only made that shit up after he was crucified.>inb4 misunderstood/out-of-context bible quotes
>>522593319>>522593188the big bang theory is not a hypothesis. the big bang THEORY is a well respected theory, unlike the fairytale story of noahs ark, which is considered extremely stupid by anyone with a functioning brain.
>>522596599This is a picture of my fat ass about to eat food
>>522598928>Stop reading the bible literally bro>just give it what ever meaning you want and argue about it with other Christians ad infinitum!
>>5225934051 pair of each kind in their local area where the ship was built! So cows, goats, sheeps etc...Not thousands of animals.
>>522591814Consciousness is emergent chemistry.There is nothing magical about it.
>>522597819>there's a lot of chance involved stillThis is 100% true. Initially. But there are exact mechanisms specifically for recombination of specific gene parts and functional units like inverted repeats. You have a shitton of redundant genes and a shitton of usefull functions to string together, but you do so randomly untill one works better than the currently active alternative.>The only real question is: why would it want to perpetuate itself? No. There is no "wanting to". As an open thermodynamic system we are provided externally with a local reduction in entropy. In laymans tearms, the sun makes chemistry go towards bigger molecules.All molecules have a halflife, all molecules forming from energy gained from the sun, will fall apart. Randomly others will form. The only kind of molecule you'll get more than a few of is the one that copies its self. The ones that dont, come and go. The ones that do, stay.>react everything you can get your hands onThis isn't random or a question of will. The reason for reaction is dependant on number of valance electrons, partial molecular charge, and bonding activation energy. This is described by the field of quantum chemistry and is well understood. Life can form from any sufficiently complex chemistry, which is ONLY carbon scaffold and heteroatom system in water as a solvent or silicone or silicon-oxigen scaffold in apolar cryosolvent or high concentration sulfiric acid solvent also with charged heteroatoms.In these situations self replicators can form, and if they do and survive, life will form. This is simply a result of the four fundamental forces. It is not a monkey and typewriters sitouation, this is a natural consequence of the laws of nature. One can argue for fine tuning or this being evidence of god, i don't believe it is, but that is where god could be found if he were hiding somewhere.Anyway Wachowius et al. 2017 is a great paper on abiogenezis as RNA replicators, which they made in a lab.
>>522597265>Also, a test for what? Shouldn't he know the outcome? He does>Epicurean paradox and all that...Your debunked meme is wrong because God doesn't need anything, yet that is a premise for one of the boxes. If God "tests" us it's to prove to US we failed, not HIMIt wouldn't seem very fair to you if you just popped into existence being burned in hell forever huh? You wouldn't know why you were there. God could have done that since he already knows that's where you'll end up. But he didn't because he wants you to see it's your own fault you end up in hell.
Neodarwinism is a failed theory. This is fairly uncontroversial in the scientific world and committed materialists are desperately trying to find workable alternatives. They are, however, not letting the public in on this state of the art. The simple fact is that nearly two centuries of hard data point in the opposite direction of Darwin's hypothesis. A few fatal examples:>abiogenesis is astronomically less plausible today because of our understanding of what is necessary for a single cell to arise. The more we learn about chemistry and microbiology the further the goalposts move away>the fossil record does not demonstrate slow progression of transitional forms and darwinists cannot reconcile the cambrian explosion, hence the rise of theories like 'punctuated equilibrium'>there was no theory of information in Darwin's time and we now know that genetic code is in fact an astoundingly information rich text book. Modern information theory only goes to show how utterly implausible a material origin of information is>natural selection and ramdom mutation does not have the creative power that would be necessary to support neodarwinism. It is in fact generally destructive of genetic information, or in some specific situations it is extremely limited in its scope of change upon bodyplans which contain coded mechanisms that protect against large scale changes and maintain stability over time
>>522597372apendix actually has uses though
>>522599809Although we have no clue how that came to be and what the exact circumstances were, we just see the expansion of (empty) space and CMB, and there are some inconsistencies and many other uncertainties, like the exact particle balance, or even wtf the majority of existence is, because it's "dark".Hopefully not niggers.
>>522599568I mean, that's obviously a good question, and one of the logical paradoxes of christian faith, but as I understand it, it's because god literally describes himself as jealous and petty in the old testament, and apparently just seethes with rage when people don't worship him correctly. The bible is pretty explicit on the punishments for idolatry, and choosing to worship another deity after being informed about the allegedly perfect and divine doctrine of christianity is without a doubt a strong form of idolatry.
>>522600119>In these situations self replicators can formSource: cope
>>522593206>people*cattle
They try to discredit you by calling you schizo, remove your agency by calling you hateful, delude your relevance by calling you racist.It's quite hilarious that they are enslaving themselves with their own safe spaces.
>>522600179If god is all powerful, then nothing can be my fault, because all of my actions are caused by god. Even if god grants people free will, he knows before we are even created if we would behave in a way that damns us to hell. Therefore, god creates the damned knowing full well they will burn for eternity for failing the tests he created for them, since god is supposed to be omnipotent. Doesn't seem like the actions of an all loving, all powerful, all good god, does it?
>>522600119But why then would it create the necessary environment to continue?Of course that is merely a kind of balance, with the crucial bit being outside energy input.. so maybe it's not that astounding after all. The atoms don't go away, and molecules don't necessarily go away either, in fact some processes in the body simply split an amino acid in two parts by enzyme action and then later recombine those "same" parts to recreate the original amino acid.>???It does seem pointless, but really is just a product of complex homeostasis and excess energy, that's required to split things (like deoxygenation) or create certain complex structures.
>>522598955This is what people did for all of recorded history untill the recent past when monotheism came about. And keep in mind, religion has probably been around a lot longer than recorded history, after all, homo spaines has existed for 200 000 years or so.I do prefer pantheons of gods, they are so much more human, so much more interesting, while still being excellent vehicles for moral teaching.But ideas have their own evolution and apparently a single and perfect god is a more powerfull idea, better to rally around. So it created more powerfull societies and so this way of thinking won out above the more human, more petty gods.>>522599833Your fat ass is around 500 microns in size then, because this is from under my microscope. Hang in there short king, i'm sure you'll find a sexy vorticella to get with.
>>522591985Noah's ark was a TARDIS.
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>>522600300>and one of the logical paradoxes of christian faithThere isn't a single logical paradox in the Christian faith. >it's because god literally describes himself as jealous and petty in the old testamentRighteous jealousy is justified. If your boss fails to give you your paycheck you will be jealous of the money he's keeping because it's rightfully yours. God is jealous of worship because it rightfully belongs to him and nobody else. Same thing. Fully justified. Very simple. And he never describes himself as petty, you're just pulling that out of your rectum>old testament, and apparently just seethes with rage when people don't worship him correctly. Nowhere in the Old Testament does God command anyone to worship him. Not even once. He only commands that you don't worship anything besides him. Big difference. This blows everyone's mind because it's such an ingrained assumption in everyone, but that assumption is rooted in absolutely nothing
>>522599921Wrong. You don't give it whatever meaning you want. All of the meanings of the symbols are laid out through the rest of the bible. It's amazing that for how many anti-Christians claim to have "read the bible multiple times" literally none of them have picked up on the symbolism.
>>522595030You must be the king of Reddit, congratulations.
>>522600804You and I think alikeI definitely prefer the idea of a pantheon of chaotic and inscrutable gods. Why did that volcano erupt and kill my entire family? IDK volcano god is mad who knows why? Why did my wife die in childbirth? IDK fertility goddess is mad who knows why?I find it much more coherent than monotheistic theology. Also, loved your post here >>522600119The idea of life originating as a chance arrangement of meta-stable molecules, and gradually forming into the complex and diverse array of what we perceive as life is deeply compelling to me, and also rather scary.
>>522591814>>522591947Before anyone says anything they might regret later, remember this is a computer generated image.
>>522600947>There isn't a single logical paradox in the Christian faith.lolThis is literally Muslim tier theology, but go off king
>>522595757Dawkins is a midwit, a proto redditor.
>>522600947>If your boss fails to give you your paycheck you will be jealous of the money he's keeping because it's rightfully yoursThat's sinful, unchristian behaviour however, you should simply turn the other cheek and let your boss, Dr Shekelberg, keep your next paycheck as well.That way you'll go into heaven after you died of starvation, the literal sky, the deity of which "God" is, like Zeus, and in addition possibly convince Dr Shekelberg of the superiority of your faith by making him more rich and yeah he'll totally respect your "moral integrity" and cuckoldry, stop keeping your paychecks, and convert to Christianity.
>>522599944>>522593405no, you don't get out of this that easily. the bible says it was a GLOBAL FLOOD that covered even the highest mountains.
>>522600179You are deliberately missing the point. Could god make a world without suffering? If for any reason he can't, he isn't all powerfull, if for any reason he won't he is not all good.Suffering exists, and everything is as god wants it to be so god wants us to suffer or can't stop it from happening so he is either not all powerfull or not good. Simple as. >>522600263This is actually true. But around 50% of your DNA is dead transposons, remnants of an evolutionary DNA war. That is pretty useless. Active and semiactive transposons are usefull though, to evolution. To the individual they are detrimental in the long tearm. TEs are fascinating like that. Shows that you are a vehicle for evolution and not the other way around. TEs are one of the key reasons you we age, but they also increase the rate and efficiency of evolution. >>522600330What? We can recreate old earth conditions in the lab and nucleotides and even chains of nucleotides form. A short chain of nucleotides is enough to replicate. The maximum chain leangth that naturally can form excedes the leangth of the natural replicators we have found. It then follows that life CAN start on it's own. This of course doesn't prouve that it DID happen that way, just that it COULD. And if we compare the probability of this or god doing it by hand, it is generally accepted that it probably just happened, and if god was involved it was probably more in the planning than the execution.>>522600662I'm not quite sure i understand what you are trying to say here. Could you elaborate or clarify a bit?
>>522598928Sounds like heresy you faggot, but enjoy hell I guess.
>>522591985Beliefs aside comparing a floating open space barn to a cruise ship full of useless decor to prove a point kinda falls flat if the space is what you’re trying to argue about
>>522600804>>522601154Well, your simply factually correct. That's where gods came from, let people understand the incomprehensible and maybe have someone to blame, beyond the cruelty of cold, random existence.And while over time religion deviated quite a bit from this, also becoming a system of government, tool for the ruler, or priestly castes, that was without doubt the origin, and the reason so many pantheons are alike.>people had the same inscrutable problems everywhere
>>522595174Nah they know what's going on, you're just not paying attention and latching on to every clickbait story that flashes on your little tard screen on confusing it settled science.
>>522600277>Hopefully not niggers.then one day space smiled at us and we knew why space was so emptyit would be nice to know but we don't
>>522600571>If god is all powerful, then nothing can be my fault, because all of my actions are caused by godNo. Your actions are caused by free will. >Even if god grants people free willHe already has>Therefore, god creates the damned knowing full well they will burn for eternity Doesn't change the fact you have the free will choice. . >Doesn't seem like the actions of an all loving, all powerful, all good god, does it?It does. You're choosing hell. God is just giving you what you choose. That doesn't make him unloving at all. It's like if someone gives you the option of $1 million dollars or being shot in the head, and you're crying that that person is a meanie. It's comical
>>522601503I sorta answered my own question, or elaborated on your answer.Originally I just meant to ask for clarification myself, but then the answer arrived prematurely.There is indeed no "will" to perpetuate life, and it's not solely the laws of chemistry either (a reaction running until it runs out of "material"), but a naturally arisen balance (in addition), that allows the reaction of life to continue, conditions permitting.A big part of evolution was the reaction "learning" or growing to balance itself. Not merely run one-sidedly, consume and consume, but also have a counter reaction, that replenishes the reaction material in equal measure, to prevent it from dying - and essentially that is why we require food and heat to live, and usually some free elements to absorb, like oxygen, because maintaining this balance requires energy input and some replenishing of material.It's actually perfectly obvious.
>>522601778Terrible to think that the dark (niggers) eventually overwhelming the light (white people and maybe asians) is part of the natural order. Looking at birth rates is worrying indeed.
>>522592625retard jew>>522594883in denial jew>>522595925pepe jew
>>522601795If I have free will, god cannot be all powerful
>>522601154>also rather scaryIn my intro to biochem class the prof pointed out something that kind of puts the world into perspective.Most abundant elements in the universe: Hydrogen, Helium (non reactive), Oxygen, Carbon, Neon (non reactive), Nitrogen...Most abundant elements in biology: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen...We are just made of whatever is around and reactive.That being said, i don't subscribe to the ide of "doesn't that make you feel small and insignificant?". Fuck no, it makes all this even more fascinating. I hate academia, i hate industry, it's all a shitshow. But the world is fascinating and i enjoy experiencing and exploring it.>I find it much more coherent than monotheistic theology.It was more human. More real. More understandable. We saw in the gods our onw faults and that was used to teach us how to deal with them. I don't know if i ever could believe in a god, but i do believe religion can and should have a strong presence in society as a force for good. And i would much prefer the old religions to the new monotheistic ones.
>>522601335>That's sinful, unchristian behaviourNo, it's not. Desiring something that belongs to you is not sinful. >>522601288>midwit can't refute a word I said>>522601503>The maximum chain leangth that naturally can form excedes the leangth of the natural replicators we have foundWe have not found any natural self replicators. You're literally dividing by zero kekAnything that replicates in nature is part of an insanely complex pre-existing system. It is thus not "self" replicating: it requires things external to the self. A robot would not be "self replicating" if it needs humans to upkeep a factory it uses to replicate.Likewise, a molecule would not "self replicating" if it needs a host to upkeep a cell (mini factory) to replicate>It then follows that life CAN start on it's ownSource: rectum>And if we compare the probability of this or god doing it by hand, it is generally accepted that it probably just happened, Source: even deeper in the rectum
>>522601327His books on evolution are top notch. Unfortunate how one bad book (the God Delusion) is now responsible for his entire reputation.
>>522593319The idea that people would buy people from the laziest race to work for them is pretty sus if we're being honest.
>>522601503>If for any reason he can't, he isn't all powerfull, if for any reason he won't he is not all good.your fatal assumption is that good is the absence of evilsimilarly, to be moral is not simply to follow lawsif we presume God is either incapable of or for whatever reason dislikes logical contradiction, then certain things are not compossiblefurther, evil can produce goodconsider a doctor distracted by a news report on a brutal murder;because of this, he commutes to work 30 seconds later than otherwise;this causes him to narrowly miss a fatal car crash which would otherwise kill him;he goes on to save 80 lives in his careernow did the evil of the brutal murder produce net good?it's unclear if the greatest possible good is compossible with absolute absence of evilmany Christians see the garden as lacking evil but an otherwise pointless existenceshould we live in eternal daycare or pursue knowledge and goodness in a universe where we have a purpose?if you want to read more, even if you disagree, then search "best of all possible worlds theodicy"
>>522591985Most of the bible events happened on OG earth, the one god created in 7 days. We don't live in that world anymore. When god switched to a belief without evidence form of salvation he remade the world to erase all evidence of his existence. This is why the earth looks older than 6000 years, it was retconned.
>>522602204>can't refute even a single word I saidConcession acceptedFree will does not invalidate God's omnipotence
DEATH TO JESUS CHRIST OF NAZAREENE.
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>>522593743Of course a massive furry piece of shit is an atheist, you're a fucking meme dude.
>>522591985That's the Olympic you pea brain. The Titanic was a hospital ship in WW2.
>>522602584how would it not? If god were all powerful, I would not have the power to defy him. It's a logical paradox. Oh wait, you're closer to a muslim than a thinking human being, so you're not even capable of rationality. Concession accepted. Free will does invalidate god's omnipotence.
>>522591985Before Christianity, Romans (and Pagans) believed wholeheartedly in Zeus and Thor and shit. Then came Christianity, and now Romans believe wholeheartedly in Noah's Arch and Abraham etc. As strong as the belief in Christianity is today, paganism was 2000 years ago
>>522602623>OF NAZAREENEThat's not how it's spelled you dumb jeet
>>522602521>it was retconnedThat's the part of your post that's unequivocally 100% true.They even had a government organ to handle this, and that's recorded in the historical record.It was called Anshei Knesset HaGedolah, or the Great Assembly>they wrote and rewrote the books to invent this supposedly ancient Hebrew faithBig factor in why literally nothing from the Old Testament actually happened.
>>522598955Gnostics still believe that there are allpowerful 'beings of light', "better dieties" to this "lesser God" and that we recieved a spark of light from those higher beings. However, this begs the question why those Gods let the demiurge keep doing his shit and torture us, why they don't step in and why they couldn't create a world without evil lesser deities in it that in turn can create us to torture us. And if they don't care, why give us the spark of light in the first place? If they want us to overcome suffering to reach Gnosis, rather than freeing us outright or creating a world without the demiurge in it in the first place, then this answer can be taken to justify the God of modern Christianity directly, cutting out the middle men and lesser deities and it would make as much sense.
>>522591814Game of Lifeplaygameoflife.comPlay John Conway’s Game of LifeIf you think complexity can not arise on its own...
>>522591814What's wrong with that idea? And in your mind this can't happen on its own without creator, but an even more complex creator can?
>>522602866My understanding is that there isn't a single all-powerful all-knowing deity in gnosticism, so the actions of the demiurge in creating the material reality could have been obfuscated from them, explaining why evil is allowed to exist even if there is a deity that itself is all-good.
>>522602736Not exactly. Religion, and adherence to it, was in effect compulsory, since it was a foundation of the culture. Still is in many areas of the world, and children were, and still are, indoctrinated from the cradle.That's not real faith but brainwashing. Real faith is something you have to consciously or spiritually arrive at by your own actions.
>>522602004Yeah, this is a great way of looking at it. In biology we define three things you need, an energy source, an electron donor, and a carbon source. You actually need other stuff, but that is kind of covered as byproducts of the electron donor and the carbon source. Pic related, but to give an example: plants are phot-litho-autotrophs, that is to say light is the energy source, electrons (and other stuff) come from inorganic material (the ground) and carbon source is inorganic (carbon dioxide).So you either feed off the sun and the ground or you feed off the things that feed off the sun and ground. And everything eventually falls apart (there are several different reasons for ageing and death, that is a massive clusterfuck of a question). So there will always be food and room for newer life. In the mean time everything alive is battling in one way or another over limited incoming energy and room. There are always 2 battles in paralel, the individuals "fighting " (this can mean anything from a literal tooth and claw fight, human war, or a plant growing taller than another in the same niche, or mimicry or bacteria vs immune system) and evolution in the form of evolutionary arms races.
>>522600895schizo meds in 3... 2... 1...
>>522602733>if god were all powerful, I would not have the power to defy himIncorrect. You only have that power because he gives it to you. It still belongs to him because he can take it away at any time. You don't have any real power if it can be taken away at any time. >It's a logical paradox.No, you're just really stupid>Free will does invalidate god's omnipotenceNo
>>522603031There are greater Gods, so called 'beings of light' who are more powerful than the demiurge, if not outright all-powerful.The question is, if their light equates to 'goodness', then why do they allow the demiurge to exist in the first place? And if they for whatever reason couldn't stop his coming into being then why, once he existed, didn't they restrain him from creating anything, let alone a world of torture? And if they couldn't restrain him, why, once they knew of his creation, didn't they destroy it and restrain him then rather than give us a spark of light that urges us to reach Gnosis to be reunited with those beings of light? Why keep the torture going but turn it into some kind of lesson for us? My thinking is, if those beings of light have a justification for evil then so does God. But I understand that you might see why the justification applies to the former but not the latter.
>>522603300>The almighty God gives you the power to give him the finger yet expects you to worship him for no discernable reason>then he might also randomly take that power away, irrespective of whether you were a saint or the greatest ungodly assholeOk but why? WTF is wrong with him?Sounds more like something that's a product of eating that darn fruit, which God explicitly forbade.>but eating the fruit already was a product of this power to defy the almighty creator literally standing in front of them a week after they were createdThe question remains. In fact it only adds further questions. Would it have been hard to put the tree somewhere else, out of reach?>it was a test except God actually wanted them to eat it because he knew they would>???I feel sorry for you.
>>522603406Well, they're not rude and kinda respect the demiurge. It's not like he's evil exactly, just misguided and arrogant, so they're like>not my problem
>>522602386>We have not found any natural self replicatorsWe have known stretches of RNA that in the presence of naturally forming nucleotides replicated. Strands of RNA short enough to form naturally under old earth conditions. I literally named the paper and posted the exact sequence of these selfe replicating stretches of RNA earlier in this thread. The source is literally up there, but i'll post it again in case you are slow in the head:Nucleic acids: function and potential for abiogenesis, Wachowius et al. 2017. They demonstrate RNA that could have formed under old earth conditions and can replicate.This is just one example, one paper. The literature on this is extensive, open up googlescholar, type abiogenezis, and start reading. You'll find all kinds of arguments from both sides. Have fun.>>522602481>your fatal assumption is that good is the absence of evilNo, what i'm saying is evil is evil and if a world could be created without suffering and a god choses not to do so, he is not good because he could have made a world without suffering and he didn't. And if he can't do a thing, regardless of the reason, he is not all powerfull. The idea of omnipotence is absurd to begin with, but it is a claim made. I'd much sooner believe in an imperfect god.
>>522591985Noah mogged those rich "people". Absolutely based.
>>522601509It's all backed by other scriptures in the bible. Even Jesus said his messaging was cryptic because the people at the time couldn't bear the true message.
>>522601503>You are deliberately missing the point. I debunked the meme. Who cares what the point was. >If for any reason he can't, he isn't all powerfull, if for any reason he won't he is not all good.The meme that tries to validate that false claim was just debunked. You're starting from scratch and making an empty claim at this point. >everything is as god wants it to beIncorrect>so god wants us to suffer Incorrect>or can't stop it from happeningIncorrect> so he is either not all powerfull or not good. Simple as. If all of your premises about God are incorrect guess what?Your conclusion about God is incorrect tooAll you did was lazily spell out the Epicurean "paradox" but as I already said, I defeated it. So I didn't miss the point at allIt's actually you who is missing the point: if the "paradox" is defeated, so is your pointless verbal rephrasing of it, because it's the same thing.
>>522603737say God is goodsay the greatest possible good is not compossible with absence of evilremember good is not the same as absence of evilthen why is God not allowed to create a universe with evil?
>>522603850>Your conclusion about God is incorrect tooSo he simply doesn't give any fucks about the suffering and is self-righteous and arrogant?You're worshiping the demiurge, buddy.
>>522603721>It's not like he's evil exactly, just misguided and arrogantSo creating an unfair world full of suffering isn't evil? Even if it isn't, what difference does it make for us who suffer? Is it worth it for us to suffer to give the demiurge a lesson and make him find the way away from misguidance? If creating a world of suffering isn't evil then this can be used to justify God. If our suffering can be used to teach anyone a lesson and bring them away from misguidance then this can be used to justify God, can't it?
>>522603961You literally can't have good without evil, not just because of a lack of definition.Just please.. stop the mortality thing, okay? It's clear enough there's no absolute, objective morality, also not merely because of different perspectives but paradoxical outcomes and such, yes.
>>522598955the Bible clearly states God creates good and evilit's not ambiguous at all
Personally i think gods exist outside reality and can only watch. They are remnants of the previous universe, the previous universe had different scientific laws, before it ended, they cannot enter this universe because their bodies arent compatible logically and they would cease to exist. Eventually gods will be born gorillion years in the future and create another universe, basically recycling everything. they probably exist on a higher plane, and maybe view use the same way we view something inanimate like a rock. They dont see us moving so they might not interact
>>522604009>creating an unfair world full of suffering isn't evil?No, it's not. He could simply be stupid and suck at this whole creation business, no?Can't say I agree with the "unfair" thing either, because fairness is practically impossible, as far as I can tell. Absolute fairness makes everything and everyone identical and prohibits a plethora of actions, both good and bad.>he gave that other beggar 1€ more, REEEEEBut without doubt it's full of suffering, which however, on some level, also is inevitable, so it's mainly a matter of quantity or severity, not suffering itself existing. People can make themselves suffer. Go, pinch your arm relatively hard. What do you expect the demiurge to do? Remove your hands?
>>522591814we will become godshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRJj-CrXgHk
>>522604107morality of evil is: thing harms a ton of peole either for no reason or for a benefit of the few
>>522604202So god is not all-good and all-loving then
>>522591814We are organic robots bruh made and created for God's mighty game >evolution by definition means evolving from a species that can no longer exist for whatever reason >we came from apes...yet apes still exist?>we are so incredibly different ethnically >we came from a monkey yoEvolution is a pile of steaming horseshit on a cold winters day. Total lie. We are all puppets & pawns
>>522603638>retard is arguing with itselfI didn't write any of that greentext Please quote something I said if you want to pretend I said something wrong (I didn't)>>522603737>>We have not found any natural self replicators>We have known . . . nucleotides replicatedSo we have not found any natural self replicators exactly as I saidYou just feel like they existed in the past and claim "WE HECKIN KNOW THEY DID TRUST ME!!!"Your claim "natural replicators we have found" remains incorrect. We have not found any natural self replicators>Strands of RNA short enough to form naturally under old earth conditionsNo laboratory is the same as supposed "old earth conditions"They literally use pure chemicals made in a lab that would never be found on earth in such pure quantitiesYou're falling for their propaganda like a puppet
>>522604453you could actually argue around that by simply statingHe still retains qualities of being all-good and all-lovingin that He ultimately destroys evil, which is what and all-goodall-loving entity would do you could object>but creating evil means you are not all-good, all-lovingbut the objection would simply be, it's necessary to create evil in order for their to be good
>>522592136wild looking clit on that beef dip
>>522604374Alright, let's say I agree that creating an unfair world full of suffering doesn't have to be malicious but could've instead been done out of incompetence. Then why, once discovered that his creation is full of suffering, didn't he destroy it or stop the suffering instead of keeping it going? Why didn't the beings of light destroy it or stop the suffering if this is an experiment gone wrong? If there's is any lesson to be learned by anyone, I believe, then the same answer can be given to the question why God would allow evil or suffering in his creation, cutting out the middlemen that Gnosticism inserts.
>>522591985>not realizing that the ARK was underground cities that grew humans in pods and released them 400 years ago
>>522604720yeah I first thought anon's point was why would God create someone with a massive clit like this rather than why'd God put the pooper so close to the puss.
>>522601394The bible then describes other tribes that survived.
>>522591814And even then, evolution can't fix stupidity. Not even God could.
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>>522592394cheeto
>>522601503To be clear, I'm not a christtard. But>The maximum chain leangth that naturally can form excedes the leangth of the natural replicators we have found. It then follows that life CAN start on it's ownI'm not sure if this is exactly right. Pretty sure the smallest replicators alive today are like ~300 nucleotides long, and the smallest theorised ones are at best ~100, no? I remember a paper by Eugene Koonin which also clarifies that even such an 100 nucleotides unit wouldn't properly function or propagate
>>522592394>man, fuck legs day
>>522598201Albert Bourla played irl spore with the goyim. They are the pigs he sterilized with Pfizer.
>>522591814that's a simplified model made by man
>>522604517Hope you realize we're just trying to get you to embarrass yourself even further.>mission accomplished>>522604733I assume he's simply incapable of learning. He just is as he is. Not really his fault either, and so the archons (or whoever it was) simply leave him alone with his silly toys. The only recourse they may have is destroying him and his creation, which they might be unwilling to do.I'm really no expert on gnosticism in any case.
>>522591814Evolution is fake and day. t. tenured professor at a top 5 university.
>>522605657Sounds like something out of Dune, but alas, a central part of my personal philosophy is that reality always is/was/will be worse than fiction or imagination.
>>522605906The archons are the minions of the demiurge, they're kinda equivalent to God's angels. So, if the beings of light, the greater deities that are supposed to be more powerful than the demiurge and are also supposed to be at the very least not evil, if they are either unwilling or incapable to stop this suffering and there's no lesson to be learned neither for the demiurge nor for his creation that he torments, then I don't see the point of those beings of light giving us a spark of light that we can use to reach Gnosis so we can be reunited with them. Why would I want to be reunited with them anyway if they don't want to, e.g. prevent an innocent child from getting leukemia, or if they couldn't do so even if they wanted? Seems pointless to search for Gnosis either way, if that's the case. I think my point is, any justification for why the beings of light act as they do can be used directly to justify God and any criticism that may be applied to them can also be used to critisize God, so I don't see a reason to believe in Gnosticism over common Christianity since, in my understanding, the former just creates a bunch of middlemen like the demiurge and his archons and such that ultimately don't help in solving any issues that one might have with Christianity.>I'm really no expert on gnosticism in any case.Thank you for entertaining this conversation with me anyway, it was quite pleasant.
>>522595288Those are atoms not molecules retard
but there is scientific evidence that the earth did experience a great flood
>>522591985Christians don't believe the ark story.
>>522592394If you had a hat that cool, you'd be flaunting too.
>>522591985If the logic to flood the earth was for the hybridization of the animals then they had genetic engineering back then and the ark would not have to be as big as you now think.
>>522591814>mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cellIt's more like a rotating millstone that grinds flour, except it's producing ATP energy
>>522592667>Okay, the use your fancy laboratory science to explain why the universe can support life>I... Uhhh. Chemistry. Um
>>522593267Insects fly above the water retard
>>522598466>No, we did so because carbon chemistry has infinite posibilitiesThat's another rehashed version of the monkey composing a Mozart symphony if given enough time fallacy. What they don't tell you is that the monkey goes extinct every time he hits the wrong chord. Evolution without direction is like believing in a self-cooling room without Maxwell's demon.
>>522604637So it's a schizophrenic tranny. Checks out.
>>522600952What's the symbolic meaning of jesus being a circumcised (on the 8th day) jewish rabbi shit skin who taught the Torah in synagogues?
>>522591985Genesis Creation and Early Manby Fr. Seraphim Rose
>>522591985That story is a Jewish adaptation of gilgamesh flood story A lot of the bible is simple history
>>522592394In reality this proces is 10000x faster. It literally moves like sonic at full speed.
>>522592394nigga got dat PIMP walk nawmsayn
>>522591814>A Jew did this bro..Somehow sounds better to godcels kekAlso nobody argues against intelligent design of universal laws that allowed these mechanisms to occur, but it's definitely not a Jew okay?
>>522599944Wow what a retard. Maybe read the book you are so in love with lil gup?
>>522608661>Also nobody argues against intelligent design of universal laws that allowed these mechanisms to occur, but it's definitely not a Jew okay?I'm sorry but I don't get what you're saying here. So the universal laws that govern our universe were intelligently designed but it wasn't a Jew who designed them?
>>522592394>kike walking around with the weight of his crimesit's still just a baby one too
>>522591814Yeah, evolution didn't do that, ya know, the thing that everyone can objectively observe for themselves just by grabbing a lab kit and watching things change over the course of just a day. Or just watch documentaries about all the countless experiments people have done just with breeding, or just look at the countless species that we know have evolved over time. I-it was a JEW THAT MADE ALL THIS! GO TO CHURCH!!!11!
>>522593666>Christianity is a kike psyopChristianity is a kike mental prison Fify
>>522592667Not a mathematician then?
>>522591985The story is symbolical and makes way more sense when you read the apocryphical books that the church curated out of the canonical Bible.It's really interesting too, because this Biblical 'god' is not the good guy in that story.
>>522592394What a fucking faggot
>>522593666>>522609018ah yes the infamous Jewish psyop which Jews spent 2000 years trying to eradicate on all four corners of the globe to this very day
>>522597149To the other side
>>522591814Why would God make us out of a shit load of hyper complex biological machines that are easily fucked up?Why not just make us out of magic fluff that doesn't bleed or shit or need to eat or get sick or degrade, etc?>durrrrr he needs you to suffer for reasonsFirst of all, then he's an asshole but 2nd, he could still make that a feature of existence without making us out of hyper complex bio machines anyhow. Evolution is real, cry about it.
>>522593319go buy another ticket to creation science theater 3000 you stupid philosemite lmao
>>522593370then no one is christian, jewish or muslim except for literal cultistyou dont get to cherry pick the torah
>>522593319no, no they didnt
>>522610348>Why would God make us out of a shit load of hyper complex biological machines that are easily fucked up?Maybe you should run for God next time it's up for vote, then you can re write reality how you see fit.
>>522594898>any functional units are mixed and matched untill you get larger, more complex functional unitsthe issue at hand is that they are smaller and need to get larger or more complex than they arethese are not "functional" units per themselvestake a look at the mouse trap example: - it takes 5 components to make it- none of these components are functional by itself- it's not a problem or small or large, it can be smaller or larger, it will work the same- you can't reduce the number of the components, 5 is minimum, it doesn't matter if you can add more to make it more complex- that means it's AT MINIMUM already, if you take out one of the 5 components, you don't get a less complex mouse trap, it's not a functional mouse trap anymore- if you copy 100 mouse traps and put them together you don't get a more complex bigger mouse trap, you just get 100 mouse traps. Imagine the mouse trap is a cell or a part of a body. It cannot come from evolution, it can't. It had to instantly appear as is. It's like the components themselves were aware of each other and what they do and decided to combine together to result a different system than they are. if you can't explain this for a high-schooler that means it's rubbish.
>>522592394Great John Lennon impersonation
>>522591985based noah. they don't make em like they used to. ice(((berg)))
>>522610528>haha, yea, I worship a jewish tribal war god who I admit makes no sense, what now, bitch??
>>522595146that nerve probably it "senses" the heartliterally all organs that were proposed only 20 years ago by pompous subjective atheist scientists and doctors that "have no purpose" all off them turned out to have a very good purpose. ALL of them. including the tip of your dick and the amygdala.
>>522610348Why admit you are an illiterate?
>>522611033?
I never see daily posts poking holes in judaism only posts targeting christians and muslims or promoting atheism nihilism etc.
>>522596599youd think we would evolve to regrow our teeth and not be in pain if we break one. ive been so miserable the last week.
>>522592141Sexpanther?
>>522591814>Evolution did this bro
>>522611885Whites aren't converting to Judaism.
>>522591985Animals can be stuffed together no problem. Ever seen a 3rd class (unreserved ticket coach) of Indian Railways?
>>522611885Yep, it's the seething jidf kikes
>bacteria>1 billion year passes>fish>1 billion year passes>fish with legs>1 billion year passes>monkeyI hecking love science
>>522593404>noah had the last trex steak
>>522595030>Survival of the fittestThis is natural selection, and it's just one of the mechanisms by which evolution can occur. Calling natural selection evolution is like calling "mix water and flour into a dough" the same thing as a bread.
If Christianity is fake why do institutions like CERN, Google and Apple all have religious references in their logo?
>>522591814It's evolution baby!
>>522604298hello.
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>>522602386based. you can't get something from nothing.
>>522603737Satan's control over earth is restricted by the will of God. The devil can do that which and only that which God allows him to do. Much as he clearly would have liked to, Satan was not permitted to lay a finger upon Job until God expressly gave His consent, and, despite his unique sufferings, Job never was completely destroyed, because God would not allow it (Job 1:1ff; 2:1ff; 42:12ff.). Satan's request to "sift [Peter and the disciples] like wheat" was denied in response to a prayer on their behalf by our Lord (Lk.22:31-32), and there are at least two New Testament cases of rebellious believers being "handed over to Satan", plainly indicating that the withdrawal of God's protection had to be sought by apostolic intercession before the devil could have free rein with them (1Cor.5:5; 1Tim.1:20; cf. Ps.78:49; 109:6).1/2
>>522603737Satan's rule over the world of mankind is instead exercised largely through human beings, by means of demonic influence and possession> Ephesians 2:2 calls Satan "the prince of the power of the air", and, "the spirit who is now working in the sons of disobedience". This is a description that squares with the discussion above: the devil's sphere of influence proceeds from the air around us rather than proceeding from a material and visible earthly presence. He and his followers are spirits and their influence on mankind is largely of a non-material nature (influencing and, occasionally through possession, compelling, but altogether invisible).> Ephesians 6:12 says that "our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but with . . . spirits of evil in the heavenly places". This passage likewise identifies the devil's realm of power and influence as off of the physical earth (though nonetheless powerfully influential).> 1st John 4:4 tells us that He who is in us "is greater than he (i.e., the devil) who is in the world". For Satan is in the world exercising great power, but he is not directly and physically administering planet earth.> 1st John 5:19 states that the "whole world is in him", i.e., under the devil's non-material influence rather than his corporeal control.> 2nd Corinthians 4:4 calls Satan the "god of this age", also emphasizing the non-material nature of his control. He is further said to have "blinded the eyes of unbelievers" indicating the means and method of his influence, not a physical compulsion generally, but a spiritual deception that induces human beings to turn away from the one, true God.2/2
>>522603737> Isaiah 45:5:>I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:> That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.> Isaiah 45:7:> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.> Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.> Isaiah 45:5-8God is in charge. >Proverbs 16:4:> The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.Once evil has served its purpose, it will be removed. But the good that comes from it will last forever.
>>522619364>>522619485so could god just appear in the sky at any moment and be like, "yo, its me, you dont need to choose me, but im here, and im irrefutable proof. yolo". and just leave? he could do that, right
