Victoria Lee from Hawaii, for example, ultimately ended her own life at age 18 back in 2022https://youtu.be/bgHtzifCrRwShe came from a highly skilled family of fighters, and was a sibling to 2 other champions who were masters in their field. The pressure of being a top performer ended up being too much and she ended it all at a young age. With that being said, what can be done to help gifted kids/younger adults from suffering this way?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Lee>On September 30, 2020, at the age of 16, Lee signed a contract to fight in the Atomweight division of the ONE Championship, becoming its youngest fighterIf you’ve ever met a person who was a prodigy, what was your impression of them and how did they ultimately turn out?
>>522602555that was probably from CTE
Another example from the US is Julian Newman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_NewmanHe was propelled to basketball stardom before the age of 12. He trained rigorously under his father and began beating much older people than himself as a 11 year old child in games. >His father trained him rigorously from a young age, with Newman reportedly making 100 free throws, 200 floaters, and 200 jump shots each day at practiceUltimately this didn’t hold up when he reached adulthood. His fame basically vanished and he was forgotten He went from averaging an insane amount of points per game as a child to barely managing 5 in college His downfall is a big story that has lots of videos in its own righthttps://youtu.be/NvMVJcDVKyg
>stop being such an asian try hard
On the Academic side of things, we also have William James Sidis who attended Harvard university at age 11https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James_Sidis>Enrolled at Harvard University at age 11, he delivered a widely publicized lecture on four-dimensional geometry at age 12 and graduated cum laude in 1914 at 16He was regarded as one of the smartest people in existence, but he burned out early in life. He withdrew from society and would often attribute his suffering from being a child prodigy
>>522603079>Despite his early academic success, Sidis deliberately withdrew from public attention following his imprisonment during the First Red Scare and spent the remainder of his life working in anonymity while pursuing private scholarly interests. His extensive writings under various pseudonyms covered topics ranging from cosmology and mathematics to Native American history and urban transportation systems. His unsuccessful privacy lawsuit against The New Yorker magazine in the 1930s established important precedents in American privacy law. Sidis has become, in the words of historian Ann Hulbert, "a cautionary tale in every debate about gifted children," representing both the potential and perils of exceptional intellectual precocityHe died at age 46
>>522602555>Family of fightersSo a violent home.
>>522602555>If you’ve ever met a person who was a prodigy, what was your impression of them and how did they ultimately turn out?I know of 4. 3 turned out just fine because they were raised in good stable families. The fourth was a complete lunatic with anger management issues because he was homeschooled in a cabin in the mountains for 11 years. He was also abused by his parents He was a mathematical genius and electronic engineer. But because of his damaged psyche and declining mental health he never achieved his full potential. Last I heard he went full Walter White pre-cancer diagnosis and is a mathematics college professor. A debunked genius. Oh he's also gay.
The of course there’s Ted, lots of anons here love this dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_KaczynskiHe was also known as the UnabomberHe was also a child prodigy. He had a tested iq of 167 and skipped various grades. He attended Harvard university at age 16 pursuing mathematics. He would ultimately gain a PhD in the field. He became a professor at UC Berkeley at age 25. He ultimately became disillusioned with modern society and lived in a remote cabin before carrying out his bombings. His most famous work was a manifesto titled “Industrial Society and Its Future”Link to it here: https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/Industrial%20Society%20and%20Its%20Future.pdfThis is not an endorsement of his manifesto btw, this post is not a supportive one towards him either. I have linked this so people can understand his insights and point of view
>>522602690You might have a pointHer living sister who is also a fighting legend also tried to commit suicide as well. No reason was given, but based on what little we know, CTE may likely be the cause. Since it can cause depression or other unpredictable maladies on a persons brain
As someone with an extraordinarily-high IQ who was not only neglected as a child but also raised in a country with zero programs for gifted children in the 1980's, I'd like to be able to empathize with these and other children, but can really only find two words of advice for them these days.Suck shit.
>>522603585Sorry to hear that
>>522603646Eat shit.
>>522603703>tfw not a child geniusDodged
>>522603508I will endorse his manifesto, to a point. He accurately predicted much of what's going on right now.The takeaway, however, isn't "we must tear down the system." Thats what most people assume.The takeaway *should be* that collapse is inevitable, and the more we do to reduce our reliance on the system, the easier it will be to survive that collapse. I further propose we must create our own societies moving forward to replace the collapsing paradigm.That said, I highly suggest anyone read his book. His insights on modern social behavior (especially in regards to leftism) are on the nose, as well as his assertions about human psychology and how a sense of purpose and agency in ones own life are inherently neccesary for happiness.
>>522603993He passed back in 2023What was your reaction?
>>522603583>but based on what little we know, CTE may likely be the cause.god youre stupid.
>>522603993>The takeaway, however, isn't "we must tear down the system."oh but it was, and he literally tried.
>>522604361Not reallyThey haven’t revealed anything, it’s the most likely cause
>>522602555Gross mystery meat gook
>>522604436She was half Korean half Chinese
I wonder why people let their kids get into contact sports these days.Like we know it'll result in some brain damage at a minimum and probably cte for people who train a lot
>>522603585Ime as a high IQ White guy from a lower middle class family and no real support I can say it sucks being on this end of it too, likely as bad as being pressured. Flip high pressure stress for despair basically.>>522602555Young people don't handle stress or despair well, too much of either during developmental stage will fuck them up somehow. Despair will make the resentful and angry at society, over pressuring will cause them to withdraw and become fearful.
>>522604521Boxing won't at young ages since children can't hit hard enough to cause damage, wrestling might I guess if you get suplexed on your brain box like a n00b.Football I can see not allowing, but that's such a cultural thing in places like the South that it's almost worth the potential damage if you're really good at it as it may pay off more than you could dream.
>>522604521Some parents suck
>>522602555>a dynasty of female fighterswtf are females doing fighting as a sport?
>>522603703
>>522604821The son of that family fights too, to be fairThey just put all their eggs in that basket for all of their kids
>>522604521Because they're 85 IQ mongoloids
>>522604270I felt like he is at peace no matter your beliefs he stood for what he thought was right until end one of the smartest men to live
>>522602555People who kill themselves are cringe and burn in hell.
>>522602812He was too short against reasonably quick opposition that also had size. I don't think it was his skills. He was just too small.
>>522605323The counter argument to that is that there were 5’7 or even 5’3 guys who went pro in basketball, so it wasn’t entirely his height. Spud Webb for example won a slam dunk contest at 5’7
>>522605443Right, he had an explosive vertical jump. He could probably score some points in traffic too. Newman just got stuffed against decent tall people, could never get to the rim.Maybe some better coaching at high school level would have helped. He had learned all he could from his father, who wasn't even in the NBA. Compare to Stef Curry whose father was an NBA star and could train him better, fix his shot mechanics, etc.
>>522605862Yeah, his dad should’ve planned this out better since he was the one that kinda made this all happenSurprised that there were no Euro or even Chinese or African leagues that wanted himHis dad is Jewish too- he could’ve even gone pro in Israel
>>522605940“He” as in JulianI doubt his dad even played ball ever
>>522602555>If you’ve ever met a person who was a prodigy, what was your impression of them and how did they ultimately turn out?Met an exceptional visual artist, great at painting and sculpting, who choose a "real" career at college rather than study arts under government money that was thrown at him. College chewed him out because it was badly taught (was on the same course with him, retarded scheduling and homeworks) his mother who was the one who raised him died young and his family ignored him because he was failing college.Ended up dropping out and working menial jobs, although very efficiently, and actively avoids making art or doing any kind of doodling, he just doomscrolls and goons in his free time. People way inferior to him ended up making money because they were gay and had gay connections or were simply more disciplined and had richfag connections.To be recognized in Mexico you need connections from family or be quite charismatic to make them from scratch, skill is secondary. There's some exceptions but they were supported by top-tier private sponsors/patrons.
>>522605443Spud Webb won because he was a manlet, not in spite of it.
>>522606023How? His height is a disadvantage
>>522602555My son was a goalkeeper prodigy in soccer. We were talking to college scouts at 8 yrs old. Long story short by 12 we quit the sport all together, shit got crazy and all the people we starting dealing with saw my son as nothing but wins or $ signs. The pressure to perform just became way too much. He never wanted to do anything but play soccer and have fun with his friends. That he happened to be stupidly good at it ended up being a curse and burning him out. We tried to keep him sheltered from it but even his hometown community club started expecting him to always win them games and pushing the team into more and more competitive leagues, not bc the team was ready for it but bc my son could keep them in games long enough to pull out some wins. The kid was finally just done with it but he still wanted to play and have fun so he tried to switch to a field player and got punished for it so we just quit. He may go back to the sport someday but for now what might have been is looking like the way it’s gonna end.
>>522606165I’m glad you focused more on his well being than his skills in the sport He will thank you for that in the future
>>522606165Put him in Hockey, less pressure but his position is just as crucial.Best goalkeepers ever usually fared just as good in that sport.
>>522606091His dunks weren't impressive, he only won because he was a manlet who could dunk. Even if he was 6' those dunks wouldn't have beaten Dominique Wilkins
>>522606340Oh, I can see that angleFor a sec I was like “bro that makes zero sense lol”
>>522602555I went to a pretty well off high school and saw so much of this. "Gifted" kids would go through some accelerated classes/skip some and be years younger than their classmates and start college at 15. Their parents think they're setting them up for success but guess what's more important than being a bit ahead of people your age in math? Having a fucking childhood. 99% of them become burnouts after the structure of school is removed from their life and they realize being good at taking tests isn't actually going to get them anywhere in the real world. Even if I had a genius of a kid I would still insist they stay in classes with people their age and make friends and be fucking normal because that's waaaay more important for their development.
>>522606165Well competitive soccer or anything competitive is pressure and winning-is-everything and if you're good, dollar signs start to come into it. But that's success in any field, not just sports.Maybe if your son realizes that, he'll give it another try.I have no athletic skill, zero, and I am short which is bad especially for a goalie. But I am a good goalkeeper because I know where to stand. I see the play developing and stand in the right place. In casual games I could pretty much shut down anyone except the guy who used to play for the Colombia national team, he got by me, he was a nice guy about it though.
>>522606447That kind of happened with my dadHe was a valedictorian at a big high school in the 80s and ended up getting multiple masters, he could’ve gotten a PhD but decided to focus on his familyHe did all that because his dad (my grandpa) was kind of a nerd who thought looking academic and learned was more important that practical shit in life. Obviously that won’t be repeated
>>522603585Damn, you're kind of a bitch anon.
>>522606221Thanks anon. It was an extremely hard decision but it was ultimately left up to him. The saddest thing is his mother and I saw it coming from the time he was like 7. We were very guarded about all of it and talked to all of his coaches. Getting him field time was a huge priority for not only us but his private goalkeeper trainer as well. The egos in youth sports just couldn’t control themselves. The wins were always more important than my child’s love of the sport. If you don’t know it’s an extremely physical position and if played correctly there’s a ton of contact. Especially at the younger ages. We knew that he wasn’t going to take a beating from the time he was 6 and still be worth a damn by the time he was 18. But coaches don’t give a fuck. The kid loved training that’s what made him good. But the coaches just couldn’t understand the child’s mental well being and the pressure alone of being keeper but being an elite that everyone is expecting to be a stone wall, having teammates yell at you for letting 1 goal in out of 10 shots, parents not understanding a thing about the position. When little Timmy misses a completely open shot, no one blames the loss on him, they just say nice try Timmy you’ll get em next time. When the goal keeper screws up everyone cringes. No one knows that the 10 saves that he made look easy and routine took years of practice to do. 522606264We’re in FL we’re surfing now and hes doing pretty good. No competitions no training just fun in the water a couple times a week.
>>522604270The world lost a great mind. It's a sad thing that he didn't get his ideas out in a more productive way. He could have done great things for humanity.>>522604401And he later expressed remorse for his actions. He admitted he was wrong. What he tried, failed.Again, the system is collapsing without our help. Those who control it are overplaying their hands and revealing who they are to the common man - villains. Do you want the common man to view you as a hero, or a villain?The system has a monopoly on violence and is more than happy to prove it. Just ask the people at Waco. And like them, the system will attempt to paint you as bad person after they kill you.This struggle must be won by ideas, and our convictions. This is a spiritual war, not just a physical one. That does not mean to be pacifists. But it may be helpful to be the side manifesting peace, stability, and order moving forward. Many people would like an alternative to what the old system had to offer.
>>522603585My IQ is generally adequate for my purposes, but all our schools had was acceleration, which is really all you need. Once you learn your grade level material in say math, what should you learn next?(1) some time wasting "enrichment" stuff designed to make sure you don't learn the next thing in the normal sequence yet, taught by some babysitter assigned to the "gifted" pullout who hates you because you are brighter than he or she ever was, or(2) the next thing in the normal sequence.Obviously (2) is preferable, the sequence is what it is for a reason. So accelerate and then if you are still in high school and have used up the relevant offerings, you can often do dual enrollment at a local college, getting real college courses taught by PhD trained faculty. All this costs your local school nothing.
>>522606467He knows what he walked away from. We had long discussions about it. The kids mental health was more important. Maybe I should’ve started him a little older but I think the time commitment really started wearing on him. We cut things down little by little but his coaches turning their backs on him was kind of the lest straw for all of us. Money and fame aren’t everything anon.
>>522606447Based Little Man Tate knower
