Americans think college is a scam.What caused this drastic shift?
College became a scam
>>522605334the cause?me. posting this repeatedly:They had just fully realized (a discovery that had been in the air, here and there, from the time of Nietzsche on) that the youth and the creative period of our culture was over, that old age and twilight had set in. Suddenly everyone felt this and many bluntly expressed this view; it was used to explain many of the alarming signs of the time: the dreary mechanization of life, the profound debasement of morality, the decline of faith among nations, the inauthenticity of art. The “music of decline” had sounded, as in that wonderful Chinese fable; like a thrumming bass on the organ its reverberations faded slowly out over decades; its throbbing could be heard in the corruption of the schools, periodicals, and universities, in melancholia and insanity among those artists and critics who could still be taken seriously; it raged as untrammeled and amateurish overproduction in all the arts. Various attitudes could be taken toward this enemy who had breached the walls and could no longer be exorcised. Some of the best tacitly acknowledged and stoically endured the bitter truth. Some attempted to deny its existence, and thanks to the shoddy thinking of some of the literary prophets of cultural doom, found a good many weak points in their thesis. Moreover, those who took exception to the aforementioned prophets could be sure of a hearing and influence among the bourgeoisie. For the allegation that the culture he had only yesterday been proud to possess was no longer alive, that the education and art he revered could no longer be regarded as genuine education and genuine art, seemed to the bourgeois as brazen and intolerable as the sudden inflations of currency and the revolutions which threatened his accumulated capital.
>>522605334the cost. good product at good price is good. good product at bad price is scam. plus it became a very mediocre product
>>522605334I'm literally part of two honors societies and had an above 3.5 GPA at two good universities, and I still think it was a huge use of time. I make very little relative to the amount of education I have.I have a close friend with a two year degree who just worked for the same company for years and he's making a healthy six figures (and not $100k even) without all of the ideological Frankfurt school dicksucking, and I'm almost as envious of that as I am his salary.
Another possible immunization against the general mood of doom was cynicism. People went dancing and dismissed all anxiety about the future as old-fashioned folly; people composed heady articles about the approaching end of art, science, and language. In that feuilleton world they had constructed of [pixels], people postulated the total capitulation of Mind, the bankruptcy of ideas, and pretended to be looking on with cynical calm or bacchantic rapture as not only art, culture, morality, and honesty, but also [Merka] and “the world” proceeded to their doom. Among the good there prevailed a quietly resigned gloom, among the wicked a malicious pessimism. The fact was that a breakdown of outmoded forms, and a degree of reshuffling both of the world and its morality by means of politics and war, had to take place before the culture itself became capable of real self-analysis and a new organization.
Anti-intellectualism (political opponents & religious groups).Lack of affordability due to rising prices, stagnant wages and low paying jobs (mainly because of corporations).Lack of state support. Resentment from those who are stuck in dead end jobs.
>>522605334it is a scam. imagine paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and wasting 4 years of your life just to get a piece of paper that says you graduated poli-science or some worthless shit and end up working in a factory where your team lead is some 20 year old with 2.5 years experience in the workforce, insurance, PTO, etc.
First, it wasn't a scam. Then it became a scam. It's very simple really. Colleges don't need to exist with the Internet now, not at all. People are free to study anything and all the greatest minds can collaborate 24/7. Sure we might need some publicly funded research institutes for particle physics or astronomy, but we don't need to keep the current college system going. It's become silly and it's a hotbed of extreme leftism. It's not affordable any more and it's half foreign students, who bring in huge money and thus have a lot of pull.No, higher education is no longer of service to the nation in its current form. If autists want to find a new species of worm, have at it. But it's silly to pay for it.
>>522605334>millions of people go to college>it’s gay daycare for people LARPing Animal House Van Wylder>get out>no jobs>bunch of fucking debtThey scammed a whole generation into this shit. It should be higher. Admitting you were conned is really difficult.
>LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION!!!!Have fun with more chinks and shitskins in the country, uneducated retardsTold you so
>>522605334The fact that about half of college degrees today are fucking worthless trash that don't advance things on a societal or people on a personal level whatsoever.
>>522605334I went to college for STEM then graduate training. I make 600k/yr and get 15 wks vacay.
>>522606552Even within the degrees that have some worth, they have watered down the content to a point where even a horse would graduate. That's where the obsession with "working experience" comes in.
>>522605334maybe it's because everyone knows now they're going to hire some foreigner instead of you who will work for 30% less
>>522605334The rise of bullshit degrees. The rise of people with actual good degrees not being able to get hired. The turning of the bachelor's degree into the equivalent of a high school degree in decades ago. The fact that costs have skyrocketed at the same time that the value of the degree has plummeted. General anti intellectualism ramping up. Honestly there are a bunch of answers as to why. You shouldn't just point the one thing and say this is the reason why.
>>522605334>qualifying and applying for university is an esoteric soulcrushing rat race for high performers while affirmative action admissions literally just fill a page with "BLACK LIVES MATTER">coerced into critical theory brainwashing that has nothing to do with your field of study>rising tuition is being stolen for admin, tenured professors, and sportsball>job market sucks and is filled with H1-B hires living off slave wages while sleeping in cabinet drawers like the Japanese guys in that episode of Seinfeld>difficult but formerly lucrative STEM professions being replaced with AI>even if you "make it", you're competing with tech/crypto bros and content creators for all the nouveau riche luxuries you dreamed of which just keep getting further out of reach for anyone who lives in the real world>real life normie activities are losing popularity and everyone is bottlenecking into the same terminally online bedrotting bullshit that any broke loser can do
>>522605334> Debt that largely can't be paid back> Saturation of overeducated employees decreasing income> AI can now do any work that can be done from a computer and knowledge that can be acquired from books and internet searches.
>>522605334Apparently the degrees only matter of if some chinese or indian diploma mill generate them.
>>522605662>Anti-intellectualismThere is none. That is simply new speak to describe those that will not accept marxist overlay over every subject.
>>522606415>Have fun with more chinks and shitskins in the countryRIght you fucks worship those people and their degrees count more than ours.
imagine paying 20k a semester to send your daughter to a live in a brothel, but instead of getting paid for her services she does it for free
>>522605334The explosion of the for-profit college sector, which were legitimately scams.>spam daytike television wiyh commercials and telemarket to recruit nogs, dumbass GI bill recepients>coach them to apply for govt loans>get paid by the government for every head in the door>75% drop out, doesn't matter>remaining graduates are unemployable and have the highest student loan default rates>collect 90% of their revenue from the state, more than most actual STATE schools
>>522605334Right wingers exponentially amplifying their propaganda
>>522610639And they're a majority leftists too. A great example of their failed policies that basically everyone complains about.
>>522605435This, when they started letting niggers in and passing them for equity reasons, that’s when college became bullshit.
>>522605334Uh college actually being a scam? Should be 100% “fuck college.”
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>>522610639>>522606181People with community college degrees and liberal arts majors from public colleges have higher average incomes tham those who don't. The objectively, statistically, LEAST market value comes from private for-profit colleges
>>522605334Student loans.
>>522610395This. Likewise when they accuse someone of being uneducated.
>>522610801To add, seeing people get out in debt and not being able to get a job or not making enough to make ends meet on top of this debt has made college look like a bad decision to young people.
>>522605334>What caused this drastic shift?Five to six figure loan debt and a job that pays the same if you never went to begin with. Combine that with COVID more or less wiping out the average college experience people received pre-2020 from a social perspective, what's the use?
>>522610698Leftists oppose for-profit and private schools, remember? It's largely conservatives (Betsy DeVos) that defend them. The Obama administration passed a rule requiring that a certain % of a school's graduates must actually go on to get a job in their field for the school to continue getting Pell grant gibs.Lobbyists threw a shitfit, all 12 ITT Tech campuses shut down overnight. Then the Trump admin repealed the requirement, so your tax dollars can continue funding diploma mills
>>522605435gender/ethnik studies degrees
>>522610966>Leftists oppose for-profit and private schools, So basically the left wants the government to control education, instead of the actual people involved.
>>522611424Sure, if the "actual people involved" are corporations who have figured out how to maximize profit while having little stake in the futures of their students.They get paid whether students pass or fail. And they're less accountable or restrained by govt regulation. That's the point. To swindle>boy this appliance company keeps selling exploding blenders, there should be a rule against that>-OH SO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED!?
>>522611424>Instead of the actual people involvedOut of the remaining unions conservatives haven't crushed under heel yet, they hate the teachers' unions the most.
>>522605334Probably because people keep having the same experience of going to college, working, then eventually realizing 90% of college courses were useless.If college leads to more money, it's not because of anything the college is teaching.
>>522605334>Americans think college is a scam.This mentality is sinking the average American IQ below China and the third worlders they import to fill classrooms. >What caused this drastic shift?The people in charge lied to the domestic population into making themselves stupid and gullible, while foreigners come here to study and become the intellectual elite while having no political power in their host country. It's an elaborate system of
Immigration destroyed the job market so college degrees became worthless. Used to be a college degree gave you a decent chance at a good paying job, now you are more likely to work the exact same kind of low-skilled part time job after earning your degree that you would've worked without it. Men, being heavily discriminated against by corporate HR departments, were impacted first. Job opportunities for men with college degrees all but evaporated with Covid-19, and now it makes more economic sense for a man to start work as soon as possible after high school rather than waste his time earning a degree which will afford him no consideration in the rat race for limited white collar specialist jobs.
>>522605334I live in the world. I meet people with college degrees and realize most of them are windowlicking imbeciles. The ones that aren't were smart before college and college did them no favors on that score. At some point, you look around at this veritable army of morons waving college degrees and you are forced to conclude that it's a total scam, at least at the face value of it being about "education." As a job getter, sure, I guess it works, but so do vocational schools, and luck too.
>>522611617The system worked fine before socialism. You paid a lot less, normal people could afford conpetitive private pricing. Education is the most left-wing institution in the U.S. and its funded by government handouts and downward trending results. That's why people prefer the rights solutions of competition and open market. It's just better for everyone.
>>522611617>They get paid whether students pass or fail.That is true even of state schools. And if the state tries to withhold funding from failing schools they simply lie and pass failing students to secure funding (see: no child left behind). The fact is America spends more on education than any other country. We spend more per student than any other country, and our school performance just gets worse and worse. As tax dollars spent increase, performance goes down.
>>522611842How is it left wing? It does absolutely nothing to help you compete in the labor market, ie class conflict.It's more a ponzi scheme, ever inflating degree requirements to support itself, of course they have no basis in reality.
>>522612029The majority of professors are left wing. They get paid by a socialism government party that they voted for to ponzi where to goal isn't to educate people, its to get government handouts. That's socialism in a nutshell, they don't have to try to improve, they just have to sucker people into taking the loans.
>>522605334Anyone who takes college seriously is a fool and ultra good goy. It's mainly used for weeding out the rambunctious, which is not something jews want.
>>522611842Literally when?
>>522612164You're describing private for-profit schools, whom get a greater % of their income from the government then actual state schools.Compare the balance sheets of Arizona State University to those of the Univerisity of Phoenix. Along with their student loan default rates. And get back to us
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Only worth it for specific fields.Medical, engineering, etc.Basicly anything they bring in h1bs for, otherwise it is just propaganda.Some classes are helpful if you want to learn a specific thing.Also degrees will only become less valuable as masses use ai to do all their homework. It no longer implies you even know what you have a degree in. So the value of the credentials is dropping fast.Education became a big business scam after the 2008 crash and it was noticed even when consumer spending was low everyone was going back to school and you could get tens of thousands per student, subsidized by government if they couldn't pay directly.
>>522605334>What caused this drastic shift?People being more successful getting a job out of high school than with a college degree.Been seeing it a lot.
