Did Russia really win the war in Ukraine? Seems kind of of a cheap victory just to only get Donetsk.
>>522614675The war is not over
>>522614675Why would they only get donetsk? they have a lot more than that currently
>>522614675they liberated the eastern provinces like they intended to from day 1, the "war" has been over for almost 3 years, and throwing every last Ukie goyim at the Russian lines is not going to change that
>>522614729>>522614740Well, that's the agreement they made with Ukraine for peace. They get the whole of the Donetsk region, and the rest of the frontline stays the same.
>>522614675They'll never join nato. Imagine if Mexico made an alliance with North korea
They quadrupled their border with NATO, expended their Soviet stockpiles, gutted their consumer economy and further worsened their already bad demographics. Shit is also going to get really fucking weird when you have hundreds of thousands of physically / mentally maimed combat vets wandering around Russia in the aftermath.
>>522614811>that's the agreement they madeWhen?>rest of the frontline stays the sameWhat does this mean, exactly?
>>522614807Russia does not fully occupy a single one of the 4 Oblasts they set as war goals at the start of the conflict.
>>522614888They've currently taken an area like the size of Florida. That's not a small amount of territory my any measure.
>>522614675OTAN has not taken that territory. That map is bait. The potential ascencion of the Ukraine into the OTAN was one of the reasons Putler took that clay first. He beat the neocons to the punch, simple as.
>>522614675Russia's winning, all the talk lately is about Ukraine collapsing at some point in the near future. If you look back at WWI and WWII you see that there is often a long ass stalemate, then one side just plum runs out of men / gear / etc. and there is a steamroller effect after that. Will Ukraine be able to last the winter? Winter is coming.
>>522614675it's why they want Ukraine to be Neutral otherwise like your map shows, they get assfucked.
>>522614888>Russia does not fully occupy a single one of the 4 Oblasts they set as war goals at the start of the conflict.ok, pilpul doesn't work on me but if this is your counter to what I said then so be it
>>522615112Russia's only "concern" about NATO is that they might protect the border countries they want to invade
>>522614807then why did they lose all their vdv trying to capture hostomel and kyiv
>>522614675They're obviously failing to achieve their original strategic goals. Is it really losing? No. But it sure is an embarrassing performance for a "super power" lmao.
>>522615112the only ascencion you going to feel is claudia shinebaum's strap on into your butthole amigo
>>522614675if Putin wasn't a cuck he'd force Ukraine into an unconditional surrender, alas we're looking at a north korea south korea tier outcome.
>>522614675If the war keeps going like it is, eventually russia will win but will lose millions of people and their country will be an order of magnitude more shit than it already is.
>>522614964flordia?that is like one average sized suburb in the mid sized city here
what's a million dead when you're Russia?
>>522614811>and the rest of the frontline stays the samenoor, you knowno piss, suits us
