How does stealing Ukraine's territory help Russia in any meaningful way?Russia's narrative is that they are fighting an "existential threat" but that is obviously nonsense. Finland joined NATO during the war and they share a large land border with Russia. NATO missiles are now being stored within 500km of St Petersburg.Some might claim it's to steal Ukraine's natural gas deposits, but Russia lacks the technology in place to adequately exploit it. Not to mention they are severely lacking in funding right now having spent most of their savings on war supplies. They would basically be relying on massive-scale investment from China and India, but what reason would they have to do this? They already get more than enough supply from Russia as it is. Not to mention sanctions make the job significantly more difficult.So what exactly is the endgame? Russia isn't going to be anywhere near as rich after the war as they were 5 years ago, and with the European market becoming increasingly disconnected, it will be impossible to reach those levels again. On top of that, with so little investment coming in and all of the soldiers returning to the civilian sector, Russia is almost certain to experience stagflation. Whatever land their steal from the Ukrainians will not be able to prevent this. They will likely have to start another war to keep the wartime economy running. I know a lot of people like to say America "doesn't need Europe", but Russia sort of does if they want a strong economy. This is one of the reasons they have been seething at Europe so much.No low-IQ third-worlders or obvious VPNs answering please.
>>523250067It's not about wealth at all. Russia just want cooperation from the west. It could've been prevented through diplomatic actions rather than military interventions.
>>523250067The goal is control of the entire black sea coastline.Ukraine is just the first step.The only "nice" thing about that is that they might actually change Istanbul back to it's real name if they ever make it that far.
>>523250212So what you're saying is that they are completely delusional?
>>523250067Europe is hardly considered by anyone now as a strategic ally. May be Ukraine or Albanian are the only exceptions, but they only care about the potential subsidies and investments, because EU money are the easiest to steal, but they don't really conciser already tough competition there from Romania and Bulgaria and all the baltics.
putin's a dumb woman who believes in star signs and dreams or some shit
two more weeks and ruzzia will collapse sisters
>>523250293I didn't expect that this needed to be said.
>>523250478>if we just deflect then we don’t have to face the reality
>>523250478So nothing much will change? As Russia tend to excist in a perpetual collapse of varying degree.
>>523250067To be clear, Russia isn't about "stealing Ukraine's territory", and that's not what this war was about in the first place. The war was started by the US in 2013 with the intent of cutting off Russia from its Black Sea fleet in order to stop Russia from supporting Assad. Obama demanded that Ukraine choose sides and Ukraine didn't want to so the State Department/CIA did a color revolution to get Yanukovich out of office and replace him with a fake and gay puppet.The war in 2022 was about Biden's escalation to that end because Assad was still in power and Genie Energy couldn't have that. Russia just wants their Black Sea port.
>kills off every single russian man >Imports subservient hindu and niggers instead>Is forced to take millions of chink incels who might otherwise destabilise chinaHow do you not see this?
What's the difference between stealing and conquering territory
>>523250569THEY DIDNT EVEN NEED THOSE WAGIES YOU CHUD!
>>523250067>why is Russia not accepting American invasionsCool VPN Amerrimutt
>>523250605>same old rt propagandaSo John Smith from Washington Oblast, why are Russia so determined to steal Donbas? If they cared so deeply about the Black Sea, then perhaps they should be committing most of their soldiers and artillery to regions that actually span across the black sea.And again, the question still remains: what economical benefit does stealing Ukraine's coastline serve? It doesn't prevent Europe from accessing the Black Sea, and it doesn't magically force Europe to start trading with them again. Assad has already been ousted and is now living in Russia.
>>523250067Putin made a firm decision - the native Russian male population is no good. They are drunkards, thieves and they are lazy. What's more they were starting to admire Western Democratic societies. The solution was to send the native Russian scum to the meat grinder and replace them with sober hard working immigrants who won't develop a political conscience.
>>523250792>this post>memeflag
>>523250067why are russians still killing each other
>>523250605>The war was started by the US in 2013 with the intent of cutting off Russia from its Black Sea fleetAre all American are as retarded as Trump?
>>523250067i regret to inform you that this thread did not save the ukranny and it did not save the rapidly collapsing liberal kike global order
>>523250067>Some might claim it's to steal Ukraine's natural gas deposits, but Russia lacks the technology in place to adequately exploit it. Its like you delusional tranny faggots just post nonsense while you dialate. Russia just built the largest fastest gas pipeline on earth to Shanghi that supplies 300 million homes. They are the leaders in the gas industry
Trump is maneuvering to get out of NATO so you Euroniggers better make nice with your neighbors before daddy takes the T-bird away.
>>523250810>What's more they were starting to admire Western Democratic societiesnobody admires your suicide cult, your faggot regime is ending and every sodomite nigger worshiping liberast will be hanged from the neck until dead
>>523250067War is the ultimate distraction, better than tiktok. Maybe he's afraid to lose power and didn't want people to revolt against him? So he found an imaginary common enemy for them to fight together. Maybe russians are that stupid.
>>523250794Ask the people who lived there who risked everything to suceed from the mosr corrupt country on earth, tranny faggot shill.All trade to the interior of Russia sails past Crimea, a blockade would destroy thier economy. They were NEVER giving Sevestipol up, which was NATOs goal.
>>523251061>doesn't answer the question>screeches "tranny"Yep you're a moron alright Igor.
>>523250067>How does stealing Ukraine's territory help Russia in any meaningful way?it doesn't in a rational wayit's a huge waste of money simply to not lose face
>>523250067Russia lost: Syria, Finland (and any opportunity to ever take Finland back) to NATO, the Balkan states, Bulgarian relations, was humiliated in Iran, had to resort to begging concessions from the Norks and Chinese
>>523250067It gives them access around the Middle East and they need a path to steal all of Sudan's gold from the UAE who is also stealing it. They need this gold to make a bank to rival the Federal reserve, but China or the EU is probably going to invade them and take it.Meanwhile I am going to be working at Mcdonalds for 30 bucks an hour.
>>523250067Russia and Europe had pretty good relations pre "special operation" - they no longer saw them as a threat. Russia did not like the idea of France and Germany, which have bigger economies than Russia, seeing Russia as a peer. They chimped out, France and Germany said fine they will win in 3 days then we will go back to normal. Russia proved their military might in the Ukraine and are now having to double down for their domestic audience and to try and save face on the international stage.
>>523250947It's actually remarkable how stupid you are anon. Do you think Russia magically spawned that money?Oil infrastructure requires investment, and a pipeline going into China is obviously going to be driven by chinese investment. What reason do China have to commit to any kind of large-scale investment into stolen Ukraine deposits?Do you think because Russia's economy literally depends on gas an oil that they can magically create infrastructure very quickly? After spending most of their liquid reserves on disposable assets?Wait>screeches trannyForget I even bothered asking, you are clearly a complete moron.
>>523250794>RT propaganda>You are a Russian BotFuck you too, NAFO. Ukraine cut off the water to Crimea in 2022. The Donbas are the land-bridge between Russia and Crimea with which Russia can have a secure line of communication to the port. Everything and anything else was a feint that you fell for like Hitler fell for the impending invasion of Pas de Calais. Maybe you should study geography and War instead of tranny porn?
>>523250067A riddle for you all...
>>523250949You do realize this is literally impossible without congressional support, right?Do you not understand how your own country works? Or are you another third worlder on a VPN?
>>523251061>They were NEVER giving Sevestipol up, which was NATOs goal.NATO gave them crimea in 2014, it has been uncontested ever since.
>>523250934Damn, send in more pressganged 50 year olds to uphold trans rights in Slovyansk.
>>523250208>constantly attacking border countries because we want cooperationlmao only a retard would believe this
To embarrass NATO. Why? Because it's there.
>>523251268>still screeching about trannies
>>523251313The war in Ukraine is a diplomatic failure. It's what happens when countries can't cooperate.
>>523251359NATO countries have been spending less than .8% GDP on the war.Russia has been spending 5%+, on top of burning through more than 60% of their long-term accumulated savings.
>>523251403The failure was Russian intelligence that feed Putin comfortable lie that the people their loved him and would welcome his dictatorship
>>523251276>literally impossibleNo it isn't. Congress Ratifies Treaties, they don't write them or enforce them, nor can they compel the commander in chief to do a foreign policy.>>523251286>uncontestedhttps://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/597910-how-a-ukrainian-dam-played-a-key-role-in-tensions-with/
>>523250212>The goal is control of the entire black sea coastline.If rf captures Odessa , Ukraine is done.The moment RF goes anywherennear Odessa thr entire NATO forces from EU will in Ukraine.They know it. So they will never even try it.Half of Herson is on the right bank of dneper river.Bexause of the ultimate incompetence of RF army they withdrew to the left banknof thr river leaving herson city, half of it.Now think how many hundrets of thousands in lives will cost them to try to force the river and go on the other side of it.RF hopes to get peace in which ukr will be forced by EU and USA to give them all the regions they have not captured entirely .https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJablGMg3
>>523250691https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJablGMg3
>>523251364Oh, did you stop being one already, Sarah?
>>523250067Southern Ukraine is important for Chinas Silk road. It will be the "link" that will oversee trade from the different poles of the multipolar order. Its the "Heavenly Jerusalem project" by Igor Berkut
>>523251514>Shortly after Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, Ukraine built a concrete dam cutting off 85 percent of the peninsula’s water supply. So one of Moscow’s first strategic moves after invading the country was to blow it up.Are Russia crying because they didnt get given free water? Did they try saying thanks and asking nicely?
>>523251514Crimea doesn't have a natural water flow into in. Now that the damn on the dnipero is blown, all the channels going to Crimea are dry. Special operation to get water to Crimea has been a total failure.
>>523251135Finland has never ever really been a part of Russia. It was never integrated as a territory. If we are just speaking historically Finland was more integrated with Sweden than it ever was with the Russian Empire. What happened was Finland was Finland was granted nominal autonomy, and a parliament. We might even argue that it was a limited form of constitutional monarchy. It's true that we share some cultural things with Russians, but we also share a lot with the Nordics. One of the distinct things that we share with the Nordics is our legal traditions are entirely Nordic, and the biggest difference is religion. We're protestant. Russians are Orthodox. So that's 2-0 already. The last Czars tried to integrate Finland, but at that point the monarchy in Russia was already incredibly unpopular, and WW1 happened. As a result of that Finland never had to fight to become independent, but had to fight to stay independent.
>>523250934>liberal kike global orderIt is an american order.And it is the end of history!
>>523251615>Given free waterYou mean supplied with water and free access to the port in accordance with the agreement signed in 2009?Britain is the great evil in the world and fuck you all.
>>523251904>Total FailureAnd yet you haven't been able to recapture any of the land they took in 2022 and the dam was destroyed and you have no hope of victory.
>>523251904Here is a faggot bragging about enviornmental terrorism.Its the globohomo plan to starve the worlds population
>>523250067>Finland and Sweden joined NATOBoth Sweden and Finland joined NATO, despite the, failed, turkish shenanigan attempting to block them.Be honest and accurate, dude.
>>523252260> agreement signed in 2009Annexing Crimea and claiming it is now Russia in 2014 invalidated the 2009 agreement.Russia also stopped paying the rent they promised in 2009.
>>523250067Russia REALLY likes their bread so their hitting europe right in the bread basketOr an old man is legacy building off the misery of his own people. Relatable.
>>523250067nato missiles are a big fart joke, whole world saw it so colonies started to rebelnato except USA has no real air defencerussia became 4th economy during the warlebensreaum is always good, might is right and so on lol
>>523251240>magically create infrastructure very quicklyIt was a 10 year construction project to build the pipeline to Russia. You are just a troon shill with no point.Also Russia has a record setting gold reserve right now.
>>523252260>Britain is the great evil in the world and fuck you all.
>>523251286In 2017 McCain adressed ukrainian troops and said the USA will support you to take back Crimea.You are like the rest of the nafo faggots here talking outnof your ass
>>523252365No, it didn't.
>>523252526You seem confused.
>>523250067It doesn't. They wanted Ukraine to a vassal state like belarus. That would have helped russia. Some ruined borderland land and an eternal enemy was not the plan.
>>523252527Don't forget ladybug Lindsay ;)https://youtu.be/6RaCgYMAjEY
>>523251615>Are Russia crying because they didnt get given free waterYou tranny faggots just keep lying and talking out of your ass. Russia spent 15 years building that canal and Crimea lost 500,000 acres of farmland when water was cut off. It was Russia's Panama Canal and a huge source of pride as an engineering marvel.
>>523252411>still crying "troon"Still a complete and utter idiot.>It was a 10 year construction project to build the pipeline to Russia. And where was the money coming from, idiot? Do you not have even the faintest idea of economic logistics? Clearly you're one of those morons who thinks Russia is all-powerful and can create anything they want, anywhere, quickly.>Also Russia has a record setting gold reserve right now.Which is being invested heavily in disposable assets. When you buy drones/missiles/ammunition and it gets used, that is money/gold going into the black hole. They do not get that money back, nor do they have the means to make it back.But alas, you're a delusional moron.
>tldr
>>523252683>You tranny faggots just keep lying and talking out of your ass
>>523252655Amy Klobuchar was there also. The 3 most powerful senators. Then Trump shut them down and globohomo seethed.
>>523252794>Amy Klobuchar was there also. The 3 most powerful senators.Ask me how I know you're a russian idiot.
>>523252706>where did money come fromWhats your point faggotYes construction needs investmentDid you just learn that?Stupid pinko commie faggot
>>523252889>russian idiot can't answer the question
>>523252829Its funny when you faggots have no arguements so your discord channel talking point flow chart says "call them a russian now".Next call me brownStupid tranny faggot shill
>>523252829Amerifag here. He aint one of us yo. I can tell by some of the pixels.
>>523253006Argument for what? You being too stupid to explain where Russia is going to get the money to supposedly exploit their stolen gas deposits?It's not my problem you can't answer these simple questions, Igor.
>>523252933You dont have a question tranny faggotYou are just spewing nonsence because I destroyed you talking point of Russia not being able to produce gas
Russia is strategically fucked if Ukraine joins NATO due to the geography of the region being mostly open, flat plains after the Carpathian mountains. The mountains form a natural choke point that makes Russia's long borders more defencible. I expect the war will continue, despite the cost, until Ukraine is pacified as this is an existential crisis for Russia until it is resolved.
>>523253062So you are saying Russia has no way to get gas out of deposits Really faggot?
>>523250067Google the war map and then google Ukraine wheat map. Final big push is to Odesa to link with transnitria, which is presumably what they're saving their air assets for. The wheat grown here will be used to feed Africa in exchange for rare earths that will allow them to build infinity drones for the euro theater. When they go to war with Europe, Europe will struggle with anti-air as Kyiv does, and Gerans will be used generally around the battlefield instead of in waves on cities. You can call this Vatnik fanfic, but Eurofags absolutely are in no state to do any meaningful amount of drone defense, and their plan for drone defense is right now basically just a fantasy wishlist with their mystery 'drone wall'.
>>523253125I'm saying they are not going to be able to attract investment and they have a crippled economy, Igor. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out, but you're a delusional russian idiot.
>>523253072He's right you know. Russia doesn't have the money to rebuilt the ruins of donbas much less build out mineral extraction processes there. All thats stuff would normally come from westewrn investment but thats not gonna happen.
>>523252309Why are you saying "you" retard, I'm not part of that war. I'm just eating popcorn watching the Russians get blown up for dirt
>>523253072>m-my mother russia can do anything! we have unlimited money! we are the masters of gas and oil production! we will create all the infrastructure we need by ourselves!
>>523253085The mother of all insurgencies isn't gonna make russia more defensible. Stop listening to peter zion. He's an idiot.
>>523250605ThisVictoria nuland is the architect of this whole conflict
>>523253196>>523253199You are two faggots on discord spewing nonsence. Russia is the 2nd largest gas producer on EARTH. Cope and seethe.
>>523253125If the USSR never touched the alleged vast resources then how is russia gonna do it?
>>523253272>still no argument>still no data to prove russia can build the infrastructure without investmentStill a complete and utter idiot, Igor :)
>>5232532633 billion people on earth have joined BRICS, faggot shill, pretty sure they have money
Well you're analysing this as if the whole plan was to take that strip of land in the southeast.No, the initial plan was to occupy the whole Ukraine and subordinate it to Moscow. Turn it into a Belarus under occupation. They really thought the Russian army was so superior they could do it with a blitzkrieg. Then it all failed miserably and they got stuck in this way. And then Putin was forced to redefine the goals as something much more modest he could still present as a victory of sorts and use whatever reasons to justify it.But strategically it's an own goal.They failed to stop NATO expansion to Russia's borders.They failed to occupy and control Ukraine.And instead of having a puppet government in Kiev, now Ukraine will get integrated in the EU in some form.So overall Russia spent its whole fortune on just a strip of land at the sea and they will advertise that as a massive victory with incredible significance. When it's more like a cope for a failure to complete the original plan.
>>523253272And most of that was paid for by europeans. That investment is over.
>>523253320So then explain how they are the 2nd largest gas producer on the planet if they cant get it out of the ground.FaggotGlobohomo shills everywhere today
>>523253351Brics is what exactly?
>>523253351>b-brics will save us! india and china will invest in ukrainian mineral extraction infrastructure for virtually nothing in return for the sole purpose of saving russia
>>523253417You are genuinely too stupid for words, Igor.
>>523253419Economic trading block where members can trade without threats of sanctions
>>523253417lmao why does every thread about Ukraine war lave some absolute loon 30pbt zigger retard replying to every post
>>523253449>when you invest in energy you get nothing in return.Found the commie faggot
>>523253449China has already heavily invested in Ukraine. Especially the ports and commumications infrastructure by Huawei
>>523253272Was. They've lost 42% of their refining capacity and been sanctioned to hell and back.
>>5232533513 billion of the poorest fucks on planet earth
>>523253266No idea who that it. Russia doesn't necessarily need its borders on the Carpathians, as long as Ukraine is militarily neutered and isn't part of NATO.
>>523253500Really? Because it looks like its mostly just poor shithole countries begging for handouts more than they invest in others.
the reason is legacy, putin wants his name in the history books before he croaks of old age
>>523253537LOOOOOOOOL DEAD TRANNY KID DEAD TRANNY KID
>>523253537You are the retard who thinks pointing out there is no river flowing to the island of Crimea is somehow news.Pretty much the biggest retard here>call him a Russian when you have no facts to deal with the truth
>>523253267no, russia is. victoria nuland was on russia's side. for some reason russia convinced subhumans like yourselves that she did something when all she did was tell klitschko not to challenge yanukovych's government which proves the usa had nothing to do with maidan. yanukovych was a russian puppet that tried to coup the government and failed
>>523253597Well its never gonna be militarily neutered now.
>>523253671>>523253684Did you call discord back up faggot? I'm sure 30 more posts and Ukraine is done for,
>>523253671Grownups are talking.
>>523253671Sad tht his mother failed him
>>523253592>42% of refining lostSo why is gas in Russia dirt cheap right now?Supply and demand calls you fake and gayStop watching CNN.Zero refineries have been shut down.
my current theory is that putin wanted to kill as many russians as possible to funnel more of the nations oil wealth to his family and friends
Is this the best russians can do with their shilling campaign? >>523253561
>>523251453Even the retarded russian generals admit it now. Most of them were actually against the war, predicting the high likelihood it would turn into a disaster for russia. This is pootin's war to stay in power in russia indefinitely.
>>523253713I expect the war will continue until it is though. From Russia's perspective, it's game over for them if they don't achieve this.
>>523253709>the usa had nothing to do with maidan.https://www.chathamhouse.org/2019/09/ukraines-decentralization-reforms-2014>Since the Euromaidan protests of 2013-14, Ukraine has conducted a political decentralization process that seeks to fundamentally restructure centre–periphery relations. This paper outlines the achievements and shortcomings of decentralization and highlights a window of opportunity for completing the first phase of reforms. https://ua.usembassy.gov/tag/decentralization/(Link no longer works)>USAID has been instrumental in supporting Ukraine’s decentralization efforts for years, beginning with the 2014 decentralization reform that strengthened local governance and economic capacity at the municipal level.>The USAID-funded DOBRE (Decentralization Offering Better Results and Efficiency) program, launched in 2016, has been a cornerstone of this support, helping to improve local government efficiency and accountability.
>>523253671Sad. But unfortunately his fellow troons acted like obnoxious aggressive cunts for years, triggering a massive backlash. Inevitably this causes collateral damage.
>>523253822If everyone telling the truth is a Russian doesnt that make them the good guys?Lying for globohomo money is a sin faggot, you should seek Jesus.
>>523253822Do you actually believe there are minerals of any real value? I dont because eastern ukraine wasn't some remote far off part of the empire, the old soviets would have stripped mined anything like that ages ago.
>>523253742>noooo save me nafo!!! the ukranny needs to win this online argument!! slava judea and samaria!!!
>>523253805>why is gas in Russia dirt cheap right now?They have no choice. China and india will only buy at below market price
>>523253583What does ports and communication have to do with exploiting their gas deposits?Anon, tell me why China would care to invest even a cent in eastern Ukraine's gas deposits on the opposite side of the globe.The delusional shillbot believes India and China will definitely invest, but hasn't provided a single logical reason.The simple reality is the only countries who would care to invest in gas infrastructure in Ukraine are European countries; the exact same European countries russia is endlessly seething about because they're refusing to trade with russia.Stealing Ukraine's land makes no sense economically. For some reason you shills just refuse to accept this fact.
>>523250067russian males have an average lifespan of only 55 years. ukrainian males have a normal western lifespan. the russians started wondering why their similar neighbor had better quality of life, and the reason was increased standards of living. to maintain the status quo of russia, putin needed to invade ukraine to maintain the idea that russian lifespan is artificially created from EU sanctions against russia. In fact this short lifespan in is caused by the russian system of oligarchs, which prevents its citizens from having normal quality of life, and thus normal lifespans
>>523254009>Anon, tell me why China would care to invest even a cent in eastern Ukraine's gas deposits on the opposite side of the globe.>>523251608
>>523253805>So why is gas in Russia dirt cheap right now?You mean like Venezuela? Is this the new baseline standard for the Russian economy, Igor?
>>523251545>If rf captures Odessathey couldn't take puny towns like Myrnohrad and Pokrovsk in 1,386 days, which are only about 40-45km from Donetsk, which russia occupies since 2014. How in the world would they ever take a whole city protected by huge natural obstacles?
>>523254059>ukrainian males have a normal western lifespannot anymore, their exclusively jewish government (in spite of jews making up 0.1% of the ukranny population) made sure of that!
>>523254006Am talking petro at the pump faggotIf 42% of refineries were offline there would be shortages and higher prices.Stupidpinkocommiefaggot
>>523253946Here is some Russian Truth for you LMAO
>>523253919Russia does not possess the means to do this without literally using their nuclear arsenal.Stupid people like Trump say Russia will "win" but that word doesn't mean anything without context. They may possess the means to steal Donbas, but stealing the entire country represents a different challenge of an exponentially more difficult scale. Even holding the territory in the east is going to be a challenge, especially with a crippled economy and no investment.
>>523254083He's right you know. If china wanted to invest in russian energy there are other more economically valuable areas much closer to china.
>>523250067>how does the existence of a suicidal puppet state of your enemies with the national idea of being anti-Russia right on your border threaten you, huh?>sure, they might have chanted "Russians on knives" and promised to kill every single one of you but how does it affect you personally, huh? They were just kids having some fun and joking.Also Finns are irrelevant drunk swamp niggers, nobody would invade Russia through the swamps if they had a choice. Now, the southern endless plains is a different story, as centuries of fighting there demonstrate.
Year round warm water naval port for international shipping that doesn't freeze over 6 months a year.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyM7VaFABp8
>>523254302New plan, we attack russia through Kursk
>>523254099Venezuela has 6 hour wait lines for gas when its availible, faggot
>>523250067Putin and Zelensky are jewsThis war is fake, it's a way to kill ukrainians so jews con move to ukraine to renovate their holocaust scam
>>523254262Its not even about what China wants. Its what the international yids want.https://www.jpost.com/opinion/israel-and-the-unexpected-new-world-order-499310>China has started another initiative that, according to global economist Jean-Pierre Lehmann, could bring about “the most dramatic transformation of the world economy since the Industrial Revolution.”>The project is called the Belt and Road Initiative. Unveiled only four years ago, it will take an estimated $7.5 trillion to develop. But the benefit is nothing less than an explosion of prosperity, not just for participating countries but for the whole world. No less than 75 nations have joined the Silk Road Chamber of International Commerce.>Most importantly, Israel is positioned to guard the world’s Internet. Everything today is traded, controlled and administered online. And Israel is emerging as the world’s number one guardian of the worldwide web. That means, regardless of being a few miles offtrack from China’s Land and Maritime Roads, it is positioned to be the center of both belts.>Economists worry that China’s ambition could trigger a global economic collapse; a currency collapse, specifically. Maybe BRICS and One Belt One Road don’t care. A global currency collapse might be seen as a way to wipe the slate clean of nation-based currencies, especially the US dollar, and establish an international one: like Bitcoin, perhaps.
>>523250067>NATO missiles are now being stored within 500km of St Petersburg.Only little over 100km. :)
>>523254183Yes I have seen that thread 3 times a day here. Now do the EU and USA who are importing more.
>>523254173Many of russias refineries have been taken offline. They export crude to india for refining.
>>523254370And Russians. Killed millions of Russians
>>523254397Haven't most belt and road projects defaulted?
>>523254442That sound like a nafo troon fantasy you faggots on discord fap to
Have you not read the scripturesIf Russia wants the land give them an extra hundred miles and if they want more land give them another extra hundred milesThe land is not yours It's The Lords you are just as grasshoppers
from the European perspective, the reason why EU exists is to have an economic cooperation of European countries, and pax Europea that was copied from pax romana. EU wanted Ukraine to join, but an agressor, Russia, brought war to a candidate for membership. if EU cannot maintain peace in its continent, this means that one of the two reasons to exist for the EU will be gone. The war in ukraine is only 1 of 2 wars critical for the pax europea. the second member state is Georgia, Russia also occupies Georgian territories, which it wants to break away to join the Russian federation. This does not only means that EU is in direct territorial competition with Russia, EU struggles to maintain its raison d'etre, its reason to exist. Products, energy and wages are expensive in the EU, which means that the other reason if its existence, is also threatened. if the EU cannot maintain cheap products and peace for its (potential) member states, the reason for the EU to exist is gone. the fact that EU promotes lgbt and environmentalist propaganda does not help either.
>>523253929>Ukraine has conducted a political decentralization processand? what does it even supposed to prove, pidrila? >ma decentralizationwhy is it automatically a bad thing in your mind? Yanukovych's own party, the Party of Regions, lobbied in the Rada for more decentralization since 2004.
>>523254438800k jeets is far more than the US imports.
>>523254522Not at all
>>523254554Its not like its a secret that india is refining russian crude. They get a profit because they buy the crude at below market value and can sell the refined product at near full price.
>>523254577>the second member state is Georgiacandidate member state
>>523254590This is the planned decentralized Ukraine, nigger.
The goal is simple: Kill the whites, replace them with jeets. And Putin is based and redpilled for doing that.
>>523250605Poe's law in action. You need emojis if you are gonna joke.
>>523254603>800k jeetsrussia is planning to import orders of magnitude more jeets than that. 800k is just the current need in the manufacturing sector, according to the russian deputy prime minister Manulov. He also said they need 1.5 million in construction and services, etc.
>>523254451Exactly. Jews just basically hates every blonde. They are targetting Poland too
>>523254714>oi, some russian propaganda map is da proofsget-da-fuck-otta-here, pidrila.
>>523253929so russia tries to coup your government and preventing that from happening again is bad? why can you never get your timelines correct?
>>523254817Yeah the plan is probably to replicate what the Saudis and Qatari did in the Gulf, creating huge construction projects with cheap jeet workforce to boost the economy
>>523254817800k-1.5million, directly to piss on the grave of every single russian casualty who got blown to kingdom fuck for his nation. They aren't gonna remember you, the state doesn't even like you remembering prigozhin who was the closest thing to someone who gave a shit in the war. Shoigu + gerasimov going to hell for this.
>>523250067Okraina belongs to Russia and the West tried to steal it. Simple as that.
>>523254911How is it Russian? A (((hohol))) made it>Ihor Berkut (also known as Ihor Gekko) is a Ukrainian politician born in 1964 in Sjewjerodonezk, Ukrainian SSR, who became prominent in the second half of the 2000s as the leader of the pro-Russian political party "Great Ukraine," founded in September 2006.
>>523250067>How does stealing Ukraine's territory help Russia in any meaningful way?It doesn't. Russia went from a respected member of the international community to a despised pariah state. They were hoping for a quick victory (like Crimea in 2014) but instead they're bogged down in an unwinnable war. Putin knows admitting defeat would mean political suicide so instead he prolongs the conflict by sending more Russian men into the meat grinder. This is Russia's Afghanistan (2nd Afghanistan if you count the Soviet invasion). A prolonged, unwinnable conflict that will ultimately lead to an unnecessary waste of Russian lives and money
>>523254682So what faggot?India has always bought crude oil from Russia. You faggots pretend its a new thing. They bought more in 2016.
>>523254817So about the same number of russians killed and maimed in ukraine?
>>523254998>Okraina belongs to Russia and the West tried to steal it. Simple as that.
>>523255047So russia refining capacity is down and india gets to benefit.
>>523255087So in effect you see your narrative is false. How can they be stealing stolen land?It is a return to the rightful owner.
>>523255149I'm just correctly labeling you what you are: a moron.
>>523250067your mistake is in seeking pragmatism from the kremlin's 60+ club. they all delusional with a lot of loose screws in their heads.
>>523255220You make wheat good, they want wheat to trade with Africa.
>>523255195What you are is flailing your emotions around like a woman. Which you can never be, I'm sorry.
>>523255294Cant russia grow wheat? Not enough jeet farmers?
>>523250067For the time and troubleIf you want to do something about it go fight russia. Might makes right and all that
>>523255149How can RU be the rightful owner if you have recognised Ukraine's previous borders as Ukraine about 10 times since 1991? "I was kidding" does not stand up in court.
>>523255303There is nothing emotional about correctly labeling you a moron, anon. Just stating a straightforward fact.
>>523255010>How is it Russian?>made by a politician who founded the pro-russian party in Ukrainekek, do you even read your own proofs, pidrila?The whole concept of "3 Ukraines" was invented by the russian political consultant working for the Kramlin - Jew, Gleb Pavlovsky, for the presidential election in Ukraine in 2004. Guess who he was trying to get elected and provided the ideas for? That's right, Yanukovych, the pro-russian candidate. The Party of Regions, Yanukovych's party, was literally a lobby group created by oligarchs to promote more decentralization, so they could steal even more.
>>523250067> stealing Ukraine's territoryConquering is not stealing. It's honorable acquisition.The Polish stole German clay after WW2, to give you an example for dishonorable theft.
>>523255565>Conquering is not stealing. It's honorable acquisition.
>>523255468I recognized something? Those borders were under conditions that were broken.
>>523255641What conditions? Also yes slovenia recognizes the 1991 borders.
>>523250067> FinlandThey are no threat, not like Ukraine, because their country is unsuitable for a proxy war.We have debunked this nonsense x times and yet you retards come up with it again and again.
>>523255746The conditions leading up to the fall of the Soviet Union. Formal and informal. Supporting a coup is a violation of the infamous Budapest memorandum the shills like to parrot so much.
>>523250067> but Russia lacks the technology in place to adequately exploit itDenying resources to the enemy is almost as valuable if you already have lots of them and the enemy little.
>>523255565>The Polish stole German clay after WW2honey, it was Stalin that carved up your country. Have you already forgotten about Kenigsberg, that Stalin carved up for russia?
>>523255773>mental gymnasticsYou are simply a moron who refuses to confront obvious contradictions in your country's (russia's) position.Finland is now storing high-power missiles very close to a major Russian city. No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that this destroys your narrative that NATO expansionism is the major problem.Not to mention Russia has fought a failed war against Finland in the past.
>>523255910Soudns pretty vague. What specific agreements were violated and how? What coup are you talking about?
>>523255522Its a jew. See how i pointed out (((hohol))) nigger
>>523255910What coup? He left of his own volition
>>523256017but somehow they all work for the russian interests, splitting up Ukraine into parts and gradually (or militarily) joining those parts to russia. Makes one wounder whose interests pootin is working for by murdering white, orthodox Christians?
>>523256014>Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act)One of those principles is non-interference in the country's internal affairs. When Nuland is the one picking who's going to be in the government, that is pretty clear interference.>>523256048And now the people are voting in referendums to come back to Russia. Isn't that grand?
>>523256291>And now the people are voting in referendums to come back to RussiaAh you mean the same ones conducted by people controlled by Russia. Good to know idiot.
>>523256343Yes. Problem?
>>523255641No, there were no conditions. Nothing breaks the international recognition of established borders. Do be more verbose.
>>523256272The (((hohol))) speaks only of jewish intrests. Even Brigozhin said rhe quiet part out loid (at 4:50)https://youtu.be/hkU6Zg7RwL0?si=yV3RpQe3FWNKZUoP
>>523256291What are you talking about anon. What interference? Nuland picked zalensky? Pretty sure he was elected. Mostly by russian speakers in eastern ukraine.
>>523256291You held referendums while you occupied them. Should have done one or the other.
>>523256291>One of those principles is non-interference in the country's internal affairsSo you interfere then? You are interferring in the politics of half the world. By your own logic, your own borders are null and void. You have no legitimacy to alter anybody elses borders for that reason alone. Thank you.
>>523256408Nothing when it's the good guys that do it, but when it's ebil Russia, it's forbidden!
>31pbtid
>>523256549Does OP participating in his own thread confuse you?
>>523256487>What interferenceZelensky immediately fired parliment (440 elected officials) when he took power then Soros/USAID pumped millions into the election campaigns of pro-globohomo puppets to make sure this war happened Retard shill
>>523256441but you didn't answer why is pootin doing their bidding? even the former Ukrainian politicians, traitorous mp's who ran to russia are catching on to pootin's plan to depopulate the occupied territories and to transplant innumerable jeets there.
stay mad
>>523256645>Zalensky fired randos from the previous admin. So? Thats pretty normal when a new president comes to power. People only bitched about it when Trump did it.
i honestly think putin had a melty when he was kicked out of g8. it's personal
>>523256487It's all a matter of public record at this point. Either you don't know, or refuse to acknowledge the "fuck the EU" phonecall. I'll let you decide which is better.
>>523250067The "existencial threat" they mean is that Poland and Balts are still standing unoccupied. As long as they exist (as western aligned countries) Russia will break everyone's brain and continue invading and rigging elections until everyone agrees with them and lets them have the countries they want
>>523256678>>523256441 (You) #>but you didn't answer why is pootin doing their bidding? even the former Ukrainian politician>why is a WEF YGL/KGB/chabad puppet doing jewish biddingIts a mystery
>>523256767Its not tho. Your claims are not accepted by most of the world and they seem all over the place. Zalensky wasn't installed in a coup.
>>523256758YesRemember when Trump got elected then fired congress. Good times.Its like you faggot shills will just say anything for a dollar
>>523256514That's how democracy works, isn't it? The US showed everyone the way it's done.
>>523256531What did I do again? Why do you hate me so?Oh please! Not my borders! I don't put out on the first date, I'm a respectable country!
>>523250067Who cares, russia just cucked nato in front of themWhats nato gonna do?
>>523256835He just fired MTG.Not seeing how any of this justifies a russian invasion.
>>523256941Id say russia is the one that got cucked.
>>523256942>fired MTGwhy are you a lying faggot?
>>523256798Wow, pootin even has a throne hall prepared for himself! When's he gonna declare himself the emperor of russia?
>>523255414Things aren't going so good for russian wheat, climate change is fucking up the harvest and dropping it by 10s of millions of tonnes, and farmers in Russia are all uppity about having to grow it at all since sanctions make it way less profitable to export. As I see it, they will need what domestic production they have to actually feed themselves in the near future, and the Ukrainian Oblasts will be surplus for export to Africa, which won't be for direct sale so no sanctions. If this is not their plan I have no fucking clue what the Russians are doing besides trying to push to Moldova.
>>523256942>dissolving parliment and becoming a dictatorship is how democracy works!
>>523257020He called her a traitor and she resigned. He fired her. You're just coping anon. Why should a new governmnet keep the former governmnet around? That seems unusual. Besides you said that governmnet was all illegal from a coup.
>>523256834You're the one who keeps mentioning Zelenskiy and you say I'm all over the place. Oh, it's not accepted by most of the world? Which world is that? The 20% of it that pretends to hold the moral high ground while bristling with hypocrisy? Okay, but why would the largest country in the world give a shit whatthey think?
>>523250067>Putin must have some rational reasons.Nah, he is just retarded.
It was never about economyit was always about Kiketin mass murdering all the last few remaining russian to replace them with the arabs from mountains everyone on /pol/ just listened to his words without ever thinking critically or learning about his demographics and just fell for his lies because they just assume everything western = everything bad therefore all muslims = all good this whole war was always just about Putins desire to destroy the last remaining purely white country (Ukraine) and killing off remnants of white russia to make room for muslims
>>523257068Parliament isn't devolved. Its still going.
>>523250208"Seeking cooperation" by firstly demanding ultimatums of the West, and then invading the territory of your neighbour when the West does not comply.You are a near-perfect retard if you honestly think this way.
>>523257021Some chabadniks literally call him moshiach ben Davidhttps://redefininggod.com/2016/03/israels-chief-sephardic-rabbi-confirms-putin-is-a-jew/Here's some top tier schizo noticers
>>523257139So what are you saying anon? That zalenksy is legit? The only hypocrisy I see here is that you're coping about a corrupt shitbag who fled the country after widespread protests 8 years before russia invaded. How does any of that cope justify russias invasion in 2022? It doesn't.
>>523257178Try learning to read faggot
>>523250067zeihan said its to shorten their border so invasion is much more difficult in the future. you have to remember they do keep getting invaded from europe
>>523257115Presidents cant fire members of congress you twisted fucking delusional troon
Putin just wanted them to stop shelling Donbass area. The west was happy to bleed Russia. All it succeeded in doing is showing all of NATO piling weapons and $$$ can’t stop RUS. If China and NK decided to join then NATO is screwed. US tabling bill to exit NATO is great timing.
I remember being on /pol/ the night he invaded Ukraine and Putin gave a whole ass speach about how the concept of white people is inherently nazi and therfore to denazify europe he needs to kill all white peopleHe then reaffirmed this stance in his Tucker interview but all anyone focused on was le bread meme clipPutin is a huge liberalboomerfag, he doesnt believe in race concept he thinks whites are inherently evil and wants to make le melting pot all over Europe, he gave multiple hour long speeches about how harmful and nazi it is for whites to exist and no one here ever acknowledges his own wordshe gave thousands of speeches about how this whole war is just war on whites and how all whites are nazis and no one here listens to his actual words instead they just listen to random twitter accountsif you listened to any speech Putin ever made, he always had it clear that he just wants to genocide all white people
>>523257290Because ukraine started shelling Donbas 4 days before the invasion?
>>523257315Parliament isn't devolved. Read that and figure out what you're trying to say.
>>523254241They are doing it though, albeit very slooowly. Like I said anyway, they don't the whole of Ukraine, just to have them military neutered is enough. Trump is already pushing them towards this but we'll see what happens. Europe is doing fuck all of any use.
>>523257370Sure they can. Presidents are leaders of their parties and when they make it clear they dont want someone around its very difficult for them to stay around. Trump fired MTG.
>>523257290Ah yes. But "OUR" corrupt shitbag is good, you see? Zelenskiy is so much better as we hear these days, no?Okraina is Russian historically, they speak Russian, they have Russian culture. The Soviets just gave the retarded "not-Russian" parts a bunch of extra land to dilute Russian national power. At the close of the Soviet times, Russia in dire straits agreed to the new world order under some conditions that were immediately broken. Well, Russia is not in dire straits anymore and can actually fight back some.
>>523257460>Ukraine shelled its landSo what?
>>523254414>Bragging about being cannon fodder for Jews Russians aren't short of missiles either, anon.
>>523257405NATO countries are spending less than 1% of their GDP on the war.Russia is spending more than 5% and that's on top of their long-term accumulated savings and gold reserves.You are a complete idiot with no idea what you're talking about.
>>523256859Have you ever seen it actually work for the US? The government we setup in Iraq completely crumbled. Afghanistan too.
>>523253855I look like the middle one in the bottom row, but I'm also balding.. :(
>>523257592Prove it faggot shill31posts of garbageHow do you faggots lie with zero shame?
>>523257682You left too much opposition alive. Don't worry, by the time Russia is done, that won't be an issue.
>>523250067clearly the plan was to have another crimea; no one could have anticipated this shit show, least of all putin.
>>523257694You have spent this entire thread chimping out like the low-IQ russian idiot you are lol. Every time you have been called on to provide data, you call them "trannies" and "faggot". This how your small brain has been programmed, Igor :)
>>523250067If Ukrane was worth nothing Ameriburgers wouldnt be near It at all, all the peace negociations where about how to exploit Ukrane resources.
>>523256982>goes to war for free in front of you, and you will do nothing about ithow is that getting cucked?
>russia is winning
>>523257617Your shitbag was objectively pretty bad if got run out of town like a nigger.>but nothing is legit other than mighty russia.Theres some honesty tho I'm gonna be real with you. Russia is pretty pathetic and shit. Even in the ussr it was one of the lesser impressive slave states. As for today its crude attempts to become some imperial power again are just laughable. Probably wasn't worth it.
>>523257857History will decide.
>>523257694>Prove itTrump literally had a public fight with mtg and called her a traitor and a day later she announced her immediate retirement. Guess that flag is a vpn.
>>523250067Russia is just a vassal of China, they are a proxy in a proxy war between the West and China. Putting isn't some big done running shit, he takes orders from people
>>523257915Yeah thats true.
>>523257434Yes, that's why Russia and Putin are so popular on /pol/ because this board is now mostly brownies from the global south on VPNs larping as whites
>>523250067It IS an exsistential threat. Russia is not actually that big of an economy. In terms of liquidity their yearly budget is like 350 billion. Elon musk has more liquidity. If EU gets their greedy little jew fingers into ukranian ground wealth the need for russia goes down. If the need for russia goes down, their already limited resources would go down even more. Russia is fairly self sustaining to be fair but we're no longer in 1950 anymore. And reverting back to that means a failed state in 2025. How is russia going to pay to upkeep all the legacy weaponry? They already had massive tank graveyards. They take those tanks and fix them up instead of building new ones. What about nukes? Just let them sit about and rot? Russia is not in a good position. The only big nation that is is China, and India though india is happily in a failed state state.
>>523257941Lol no? They dont like each other that much, look for Sino-Soviet and read about It.
>>523251270Putin?
>>523257925She is still a member of congress, tranny faggot shill.Lie harder am sure it will help ukraine.Imaging comparing MTG resigning (NEXT MONTH) to Zelensky dissolving and FIRING 440 members of thier parliment
>>523257815Something Russia doesn't have the money, nor investment to do on their own. This is exactly the reason for asking the question, and clearly you have no answers.The "negotiations" taking place are nothing more than a farce.
>>523257776I have been the person providing facts while you and your faggot friends on discord have been spewing retard tier propaganda
>>523250067>How does stealing Ukraine's territory help Russia in any meaningful way?Getting more non-freezing coastline has been the geopolitical goal of Russia over the last 300 years.Also Ukraine has a ton of resources + highest quality land for agriculture in Europe
Why are shithole annoying countries even allowed to exist? The only places that should exist are America and Western Europe and maybe like Japan or something. Pretty much all other countries are useless shithole places that just cause hassle and trouble for America and Western Europe.
>>523258241Its not normal to resign in the middle of your term you know. And you made the claim. Dissolving parliament and holding new elections is a common feature parliamentary governments. Fully allowed in ukraines law. Any more excuses for russians failed war? Maybe some more cope events from years before the invasion?
>>523258452>I have been the person providing factsNo you haven't idiot. Every time I called you to provide them, you respond with one liners including "tranny" and "faggot".You're a worthless, embarrassing little moron. It just goes to show how low the education standard in russia must be if idiots like you are the best they can do.Complete and utter imbecile :)
>>523250067Ukraine was an annoyance and they thought it would be a very quick save some simple regime change to turn it back into a satellite state like Belarus. That obviously didn't work and now it's an attempt to salvage some sort of "win" to prevent this becoming a complete humiliation. It would almost certainly have been better for Russia in hindsight to have not invaded, even with a favourable peace deal. Acquiring the Donbas isn't worth the financial and human cost, let alone the enlargement of NATO and long term alienation of Europe.
OP is a faggot.Russia didn't just wake up in 2022 and invade ukraine for no reason. The NATO expansion issue is completely valid and we would not let russia set up shop in mexico. We'd fucking invade mexico if the russians were putting up advanced weapons systems " for defense" None of our actions are logical at all.NATO should be disbanded since they are clearly not acting defensively. NATO policy has killed more people in ukraine than putin. They've had peace on the table for years and repeatedly chose not to end the war. At no point was Ukraine going to win. Russia was always going to take these properties and that's that.
>>523258484>Also Ukraine has a ton of resources + highest quality land for agriculture in EuropeHaving resources and having the technology to exploit them are two different things. Then there is the problem of finding customers, of which Europe is becoming increasingly nonviable.China and India aren't going to have any interest in investing in gas infrastructure on the other side of the planet.
>>523258239Bingo!
>>523258494WowNow you admit she resignedWhat a disgusting faggot you are.She cant win re-election so she is cashing out by trashing Trump. Its not complicated, faggot shill
>>523258452You haven't provided any facts tho. Ive had to look up the vague things you poorly alluded to. You're talking about coups that never happened from 8 years before the invasion and think you dont sound absurd.
>>523251276He’s a migger. There is a lot of crossover between brown people, retardscand Trump worshippers. This is a unique kind of American style right wing system enjoyer.
>>523258643>russian VPN idiot cries about NATO expansionism>refuses to address the lack of action over finland joining nato and storing high power missiles within 100km of st petersburgYep you're an idiot alright, Igor.
>>523258534Anyone who lies as much as you must be a faggot though.Imagine pretending Russia cant produce gas.
>>523258643We didnt put any advanced weapons in ukraine until after russian invaded it.
>>523258748>still desperately screeching that russia can magically "produce" gas>but still too stupid to explain where the investment will come from and who it will be sold toHopeless Igor, truly hopeless :)
>>523258664I said she resigned from the start. She resigned because trump let her know she was no longer welcome. Thats how people get fired normally. Not in the nigger wagecuck jobs you're used to but in white jobs.
>>523258666I never talked about a coup, faggot shill.Add it to your lies>42% of Russia's refineries have been destroyed!In your twisted troon brain
>>523258645Russians have no tech but exploiting agriculture and fossil fuels doesn't require that either (especially if you don't care about the environment)About selling, they will sell at less than market value, but China / India / NK will absorb nearly infinite amounts of that stuff. The case of NK is particularly funny because they're starving - apparently they exchanged millions of shells and 12000 soldiers for literal rice, kek
>>523250067It makes them feel manly and important and forget about Magomed plowing Natasha's ass while she's pregnant with his 5th child
>>523250067>Finland joined NATO during the war and they share a large land border with RussiaTo understand Russia's overt messaging, you have to always assume the truth is the opposite of what they say. In this case, we can infer that Russia actually loves having borders with NATO. Which isn't as absurd as it sounds, since they will invade every remaining non-NATO country that they can until their borders with NATO are maximized.
>>523258851>NKok you should've just prefaced that you were retarded
>>523258888>I will ignore that country because funny haircutThey alone outproduce Europe in terms of artillery shells
>>523258966And they're mostly shit that fails to explode
>>523258845You did. You made a claim about trump didnt fire congress and he literally just fired a congresswoman. You were wrong. Theres nothing abnormal about kicking out the old congress that you alreday claimed was illigitimate and coup installed.
>>523250067The whole thing is a Kike plot to destroy Slav's, likely planned by both sides for generations. Notice that Putin never calls out the Kikes in the West who are the main proponents of these wars, they never make any comment about Israel and suck Netanyahu's cock almost as much as Trump and the British government does.
>>523259006That's good enough for the kind of homosexual war that is being fought in Ukraine. Turns out that super-expensive "smart bombs" only last three days at current consumption rates
>>523258845And yes russia has lost much refining capacity to ukrainian attack. Jeets are thrilled.
>>523258966Anon, we are talking about what benefits do the stolen territories serve russia after the war ends.If you are going to try an argue that they can easily exploit the natural resources with no investment coming in, and cite north korea as a customer, then you have no idea what you're talking about. How do north korean soldiers help russia recover from their economic deficit? do you think north korea has the means to invest in and construct a pipeline from eastern ukraine to north korea?I prefaced in the OP: no retards please.
>>523258752Trump gave them javalinsAdd it to your list of lies faggot shillThe 2016 Section 655 Report published by the US Department of State, listing approximately $27 million in authorized commercial defense articles and services to Ukraine. (Source: US Department of State)It is through this process that US-made lethal weapons arrived near Ukraine’s frontlines. According to a recent Digital Forensic Research Lab investigation, the Texas-based company AirTronic shipped 100 PSRL-1 (Precision Shoulder-Fired Rocket Launcher) systems to the Ukrainian state-run Spetstechnoexport in April 2017. Some of these rocket-propelled grenade launchers appeared during a training session of the Azov Battalion, a regiment of fighters that has been integrated into the National Guard, based near Mariupol in the summer of 2017. These weapons were reportedly used only in training exercises and likely returned to arms depots.20180126 toler 2These direct commercial sales coupled with the US provision of advanced non-lethal weaponry, particularly counter-battery radar systems, were already in motion during the Obama administration. By comparison, Canada only recently approved a government decree permitting Canadian defense contractors on a case-by-case basis to export lethal arms to Ukraine. However, the recent raft of US and Canadian announcements created a false impression that these were the first-ever shipments of lethal weapons from the United States to Ukraine.Europe: Lethal Arms from Lithuania and Bulgarian Arms TradeThe frontline states on NATO’s eastern flank have most actively called attention to the threat of Russian aggression and boosted their defense budgets accordingly. However, hesitancy in Western capitals, particularly Berlin, and an Obama-era insistence on unified transatlantic policy toward Ukraine led to Lithuania being the only direct supplier of lethal weapons before the recent US announcement.
>>523259140Ok ignore NK. Now focus on China and India which I mentioned but you're ignoring. Are they small markets too?
>>523250212I know where you got this idea from, but it's likely bollocks because Putin is too old and they only really seem interested in holding the Donbas and whittling away at the Ukrainian forces who try to fight back.I don't see them heading to Turkey in our lifetime.
>>523259014How exactly can a president fire a congress member?Am curious
>>523259169>Trump gave them javalinsSo? They're allowed anti tank weapons. Thats not some illegal proscribed wmd.
>>523259247>31 post faggot thinks ukraine has WMDs
>>523250067How does losing half their population for a small piece of useless majority Russian populated territory help Ukraine in any way?
>>523259189Why should I bother with you at all when you already exposed yourself as a complete moron?China and India already get a sufficient supply of gas and crude. What reason does China have to invest in Ukrainian oil and gas infrastructure? China also has trade relations with the entire world, are you also stupid enough to believe they will increase trade with russia specifically out of pure goodwill? That isn't how the world works, my dear moron.The simple fact is morons like you cannot logically explain how stealing territory makes sense economically. Russia has funded the war with long-term accumulated savings, primarily driven by selling gas to europe. There is no way they are making anywhere near that anymore without Europe as a trading partner, and spending money on disposable assets (military equipment) is literally money down the toilet.
>>523259236Tell them they arent welcome in the party and that their services are no longer required. Remember these are all corporate entities. Can run under the party banner if the party refuses you. In mtgs case she likely didnt stick around until the end of her current term because of legal threats.
>>523259378>How does losing half their populationEvidently you are a complete idiot.
>>523250067>Finland joined NATO during the warSweden too :)
>>523259356So you admit there no issue with javalins? So why did post cope about them?
>zUqMlW4P
>>523250067Maybe the feeling is that NATO is a bunch of godless pinko commies and we need to kick some ass to make the world safe for freedom
>>523259480As soon as the thread hits the bumb limit the honor of russia no longer needs defending and off the run.
>>523259384>China and India already get a sufficient supply of gas and crudekekYou can keep your flow of ad-hominem, and you can keep living in your own reality - but I advice reading and informing yourself, it will help you anon
>>523258748>Imagine pretending Russia cant produce gasThat wasn't the argument, you're are disingenuously pretending it is because it's easier for you to refute it (when you even bother to refute something and aren't just screeching about gays or Jews)
>>523258752Thanks for your reply and vote of confidence that my logic is sound. They were there in 2014 plotting a military buildup. This is why they impeached Trump for pausing funds which in his mind, Ukraine didn't need.You can tell it was a malicious impeachment because as we see w\ the second term, DOGE, and all the wheeling and dealing, this pause in funding was not unique to ukraine and par for the course with Trump's line of thinking. He just wasn't read into the "CIA" plans to get this war going.The united states had no legitimate reason to be meddling in Ukraine's govenrment affairs. Period. >>523258709Little bitch from australia confused that some people in the united states can think for themselves, and recognize the facts in front of them. Your opinion doesn't even matter... you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You guys are at least 6 months ahead of us in the globalist great reset. Enjoy the digital ID and camps m9.
>>523259356You have spent this entire thread losing argument after argument. You're bad at this, Igor.
>>523260214Oh I'm fully aware there are morons like you who mindlessly accept the Russian narrative without considering all the facts. Morons like you treat complex geopolitics like following a sports team. You will just always mindlessly align to whatever conforms to your agenda.
>>523259140>Anon, we are talking about what benefits do the stolen territories serve russia after the war ends.Yes, why would land be useful? Those idiots!
>>523259384>where does china get it's oil fromSaudi arabia, Iraq, RUSSIA. You probably didn't think that far ahead to understand the close relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia, or Iraq. You could reasonably assume that those spigots can easily be closed by American pressure. So you tried to make a point, but you just left out the part where if americans decide to they can exert pressure, and try to limit available oil to china. Russia is outside of this sphere of influence and there is the main "problem".There's a group of people who hate Russia because Russia is fucking huge, and obviously sits on top of vast resources. Russia is the sweet old lady in her 1200 square foot house being surrounded by goyslop mcmansions and they're trying to buy her out constantly, and making her life hell to try to get her house so they can tear it down and put up another goyslop mcmansion.Fuck the EU. This entire war could have been avoided with diplomacy. All loss of life falls squarely in the lap of these people who have stood in the way of peace.
>>523250067because russia has been taken by jews since the communist revolution. they are a gerontocracy, ruled by a council of jewish elders. putin is just their public face and works for them, he always was a KGB agent in the first place.have you ever noticed how today kikes are all russian larping as jews? putin even said he would never side with iran, nor attack israel, because israel population are all russians.the cold war never stopped. all the attacks against white countries and the west in general, including africa and latin america, even asian countries, are the work of russian agents.all the countries are being attacked using third world criminals thanks to russia. they have been infiltrated in latin america, middle east and africa for decades. they also infiltrate their russian asian agents into asian countries, as well (remember that half of russians are mongols). their men are marrying the women in third world countries and kicking out their native men to asian and white countries, conquering those countries through marrying the women there.some anons said that jews are actual poos, but is not true. jews are russians and have always been from russia, they just started to hire indian bots because russians got banned from the internet outside of their country due to the invasion of ukraine. this is why we call them "the horde" or "the orcs".
>>523260214The funding pause happened after you guys invaded
>>523260469>illiterate moron ramblingsAnon, you are far too stupid for geopolitics. You can't even digest the context of a reply chain properly.
>>523260498yuri bezmenov already told us, but we choose to continue ignoring him and his advice:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErKTVdETpwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8gthis shit is still going on. never stopped. never will be.
>>523260214Selling small arms to ukraine is not a nato military build up and thats not meddling in the government. Your claims of justification for military action years later are not convincing.
>>523259411> In mtgs case she likely didnt stick around until the end of her current term because of legal threats.Please cite these legal threats you lying piece of shit
>>523259427This is not a win at all...NATO is a mafia protection racket. None of these countries mean anything in regards to nato. With their NATO membership, they now have to kick back 5% gdp to be a pawn for the NATO forces. This I will repeat, is not a win.Nobody was going to invade these countries. They now get to send their children to die at the whim of some bloodthirsty war mongers heading up NATO. And I think this is probably the exact behavior that happened with WW2. WW2 without these people acting like retards may have been as simple as germany securing the safety of people who until the last few years had been GERMAN and STILL WERE GERMAN. Same fucking story with Ukraine. And with their continued aggression they're trying to speak their prior lies into reality. Because Russia wasn't going to invade any of them, but these eu fags are putting troops in Ukraine? Really? And when they push too far, russia will push back.And it will be their fault, not Russia. And I'll never stop letting people know how fake and gay nato are. Fuck those people.They are gambling with the lives of everyone in the world. They are liars. And the war could be over right now if they shut the fuck up, and exile zelensky.
>>523260754>>This is not a win at all...>NATO is a mafia protection racket. None of these countries mean anything in regards to nato. With their NATO membership, they now have to kick back 5% gdp to be a pawn for the NATO forces. This I will repeat, is not a win.>Nobody was going to invade these countries. They now get to send their children to die at the whim of some bloodthirsty war mongers heading up NATO. And I think this is probably the exact behavior that happened with WW2. >WW2 without these people acting like retards may have been as simple as germany securing the safety of people who until the last few years had been GERMAN and STILL WERE GERMAN. Same fucking story with Ukraine. >And with their continued aggression they're trying to speak their prior lies into reality. Because Russia wasn't going to invade any of them, but these eu fags are putting troops in Ukraine? Really? And when they push too far, russia will push back.>And it will be their fault, not Russia. And I'll never stop letting people know how fake and gay nato are. Fuck those people.>They are gambling with the lives of everyone in the world. They are liars. And the war could be over right now if they shut the fuck up, and exile zelensky.
>>523251583now this is a memeflag poll!
>>523260061Thats exactly what the 45 post tranny faggot said, shit for brains.>523253199Meanwhile Mariupol HAS been rebuilt. More lies from you faggots
>>523260498>>523260704if you are against israel, you are against russia. if you are anti-immigration, you are anti-russia. if you are anti jew, you are anti-russia. because russians are behind all of the modern world destructive schemes. trump is a russian agent, too.anything that is evil and destructive, leads to russia in the last term.
>>523260727>selling small armsYou open your post with a lie, and make it sound like we were merely selling them "small arms". >meddlingSending the US state department, CIA, and many senior US legislators over to Ukraine in support of a "revolution" and helping pick the new government is 1000% meddling. And if Russia did this in mexico, we would not let some retards like you pretend that they were not involved.If Russian intel was in mexico as they flipped the government, that would forever be the story. And that is the stroy for non retards in other places in the world. For retarded americans like YOU however, you buy the lie. You are too fucking stupid to think about the situation and come to your own conclusion, or to realize how yes.. if the cia, and state department were there on the ground, helping, well.. gee.. .THEY DO OWN THAT. We own the 2014 coup. Ukraine is not a real country in fact.Ukraine stopped being a real country when they had the US and NATO step in to fight russia on their behalf. When they canceled elections. Ukraine lost, no hard feelings, blood is on your hands if you defend extending the war.>>523260753You think she was on good terms with the aipac spies in DC?
>>523260753I said likely. Shes been accused of hiring large numbers of illegal immigrants for her private business. Trump made some threats to look into that during their online feuding. Again its very unusual to just duck out mid term. The normal retirement protocol is to not seek reelection and serve the remainder of your current term. No need to seethe and hysterically with rage because you lost.
>>523260842We've already established that you're a faggot shill w\ an australian flag. Australia has zero input on this conflict at all. Go chase down that dingo that got your babe.
>>523261014just remember that china doesn't trust russia and told them to fuck off when russia tried to force china into destroying ukraine.china is allowing ukrainians into china as refugees and they are marrying with chinese.i trust china more than russia.
>>523261060>chimping out againTextbook russian subhuman behavior. You're not very good at concealing your true nature, my dear moron.
>>523253640poor mutt has so much nigger fatigue he's starting to project it onto others
>>523250067>now being stored within 500km of St Petersburg.You're a fucking moron Bruce.
>>523261329>random memeflag chimping outHow authentic. You russian idiots are too stupid.
>>523261014Reminder that Brussels is the one importing migrants into the EU and forcing every state to accept them. Those who refuse, like Poland, are threatened with legal action.That is all.
>>523261020Thats what we did as you claimed. Sorry but in this case you're the one lying. The US and any otehr country including russia can and did sell weapons to ukraine. Nothing abnormal about that. Nor is having diplomatic ties with a free and independent country. You start out assuming ukraine was some property of russia and then make excuses for russian warmongering from that starting point.>But muh hypotheticalsWhat would happen if russia fucked around? They do that already in several latin american countries. Not so much these days as the war has reduced their global presence but back then I mean. No alleged and undocumented coup in 2014 justifies an invasion in 2022.
>>523261135What kind of cope is this?
>>523250067Nigger
>>523261489>Nigger
>>523261003What, you thought I wouldn't reply with proof? Here is where >>523253062 asks where is Russia going to get money to extract and refine gas. Immediately afterwards your shilling friend (or you on another VPN machine) twists this into "Russia is not able to produce gas" >>523253072 which is a different argument altogether.You're dogshit at this. If your supervisor sees this, you will be the next star of a Ukrainian drone video
