How is it that American conservatives, who own a billion guns and are obsessed with shooting, haven't bothered to do a proper ballistics test? If not to settle the controversy, then at least for clicks and fun.No one can be bothered to test 30-06 at 200 yards with various bullet weights and powder loads? This worthless test at 20 yards is the best that can be done?Fucking hell conservatives are lazy and worthless.
>>523374994really there is too much variability across guns, ammo, randomness in tissue/bone and especially with an old gun and maybe old ammo. And one shot isn't enough you would need a statistical sample. I've heard enough to think that with a new gun what we saw is unlikely, but within reason and possible.
>>523374994>How is it that American conservatives, who own a billion guns and are obsessed with shooting, haven't bothered to do a proper ballistics test?Quite a few people have demonstrated there's no way to stop a 30-06 with bones thicker than a human's and more meat than a human neck. Why haven't you bothered to do a basic search before making this thread?
>>523375353Yeah, and this should be eminently doable for American gun nuts. >get a variety of .30 bullets of different weights>handload with charges that achieve expected velocity at 200m, or just do the test at 200m>get a bunch of pork necks for targetsGun youtubers spend thousands on ammo for silly videos like shooting old cars with machine guns, this would be cheap and simple.How much would 20 pork necks cost? Hardly anything. Even if the results aren't conclusive, it would be good content and a hell of a lot better than the half assed tests we've gotten so far.Evidently, conservatives don't really care about this.
HEY CHAT DO THE NEEDFUL AND EXPLAIN BULLETS.
>>523374994It was a movie set, it was fake.
>>523375761.30 bullets have been found lodged in wounds. It's not like 100% of times a person was shot with a 30-06 or equivalent the bullet passed straight through them, the body can stop the bullet.The neck doesn't even have to bring it to a dead stop, only deflect the trajectory enough so it plunges downward into his body.
>>523376216That story about it turning 90 degrees down is absolute bullshit. I don't mean it's unlikely, I mean it's fucking impossible without exploding his entire neck into hamburger. You have to understand, that energy only goes away if the bullet passes through entirely, if the bullet stays in, that energy is transferred to his neck material in full, and 2k foot pounds of energy isn't leaving a neat little hole, it's like a small bomb going off in his neck.
>>523376216Now show the X ray of Kirk's neck
>>523376632If it's obviously impossible then why make the claim that it was a .30-06 in the first place? Why not say it's a .223 or .30 carbine or whatever to make it believable?
bullets dont behave in a predictable manner inside fleshthis is a kike psyop to distract from the actual shooter being a tranny fucking homo brainwashed by DOMESTIC kikessee also lee harvy oswald, they pull this shit when they want to distract from the shooter himself everyone is so wrapped up in conspiracies about the shooter they dont look into oswald and his history taking long trips to the kike owned (At the time) USSR or the jewish background and mobties of the kike who shot him
Normie fags who know jack shit about guns are so cringe. Even a blade of grass or a small stick hanging off a tree can be enough to alter the path of a bullet. At that distance, you can tell (and hear) the bullet was already slowing down.A 180gr bullet exited at around 2,700fps and slowed down to 2,200 fps @ 200 yards. It also dropped 3-4 inches. Which is why it hit his neck, as I doubt he was aiming for the neck. He was likely aiming for his head, but the bullet dropped over that distance. It also hit his neck on his left side, which maybe is because he moved his head/neck, but he probably was aiming for the center of his head.
>>523375353The alleged shooter Tyler Robinson is alleged to have used his grandpas old gun, so, it was likely decades old (as was perhaps some of the ammo?)
>>523374994Cons have been talking about it and doing these tests for months. It's all most of them talk about.
>>523374994He probably had a titanium alloy skeleton, likely completely normal on his home planet. I honestly don't see what the big deal is.
>>523376811Because jews like to fuck with us
>>523377175Then why is Candace, the queen of this this conspiracy grift, using such a pathetically inadequate test for her example?
Bullets do weird unpredictable shit all the time. People don't like that answer but its true. The bullets he used could have been his grandpa's decades old handloads or the barrel could have been damaged causing the round to tumble for all we know too.
>>523377195bullets dont behave predictably inside of flesh and as soon as i saw the video i interpreted that it had hit his spine from how his head snapped back in an unnatural way relatie to his body and likely changed directionsthey are pushing this bullshit israel angel because american jews are actually responsible for brainwashing the shooter as well as his troon boyfriend they are trying to use israel as a lightning rod for the warranted antisemitism rapidly gaining steam with the hopes they can dissipate it with an eventual regime change in israel
>>523377280or it could have simply been deflected downward after impacting his spine which is what happened
>>523376811There are many plausible reasons, from incompetence to sending a clear message that they can get away with overt public murder and obvious lies, and anything in between.It doesn't really matter, what matters is that the government is lying, which means in some form or another, the government is in on it.
>>523375353There was a half dollar size hole in his neck. What bullet makes an entry wound that size? It's that simple. It's over.
>>523377393>There are many plausible reasons, from incompetence to sending a clear message that they can get away with overt public murder and obvious lies, and anything in between.or the bullet impacted his his spin and the bullet was deflected down into his torso that is also a possibility
>>523374994Fatal flaw in every test is there is no necklace no t-shirt and now 16.3° downward angle Hey did you know that MLK was shot in the face and neck by a 30-06 round and the bullet DID NOT EXIT HIS BODY. Weird how one of the most famous assassinations in America have the same round that same part of the body. People are just stupid
>>523377195Not all bullets have a big hydrostatic shock effect within the the first few inches of penetration.30-06 at that range is comparable to 7.62x39mm in this diagram.
>>523377508>that is also a possibilityIt's not. I explained why. Go study physics and get back to us when you realize you're completely ignorant.
>>523377425A keyholing 30-06 would make that hole. Don't complain, that's correct and you know it.
>>523377662Hello retard.
>>523374994>goy gets killed>other goys debatebeautiful
Wet powder from being left on a shelf in a shed or garage for a decade would mean less energy and less neck blowing up. Its not like he bought match-grade brand new ammo. If they claim that shit its fake and gay though.
>>523377518Maybe the MLK assassination conspiracy rabbit hole is deeper than we thought, and connected to Charlie Kirk. Same playbook after all, you just pointed out a lot of spooky "coincidences".
>>523377702as opposed to chimp out like BLM? It's called being civilized.
>>523377321>i interpreted that it had hit his spineYes, I agree 100%.After hitting the titanium alloy exo-coating in his spine, it ricocheted downward into his Virellum Core through the Nexoplasm Lattice, nicking the Astragyre Node or possibly the Threxian Pulse Sac, before moving down further to the Lumisyn Gland, Orrathic Spiral Lung, and Quantex Flux Reservoir. That alone would usually be fatal but when you take into account the bullet also went back upwards to the Myridian lipidnoid Chamber and Solvex biophage, and finally to his Zorvian Phase Kidney, I knew there was no chance he could survive without Quantum Cytorealignment or Bio-Phase Vascular Rechanneling that are only available on his home planet.
>>523374994Theres been like 20 guntubers at least who did 30-06 ballistic tests within a week or so of it happening. They all proved what I already knew because ove shot shit with a 30-06, 308, 8mm, 7mm, 7.62x39 before. They all will just go through meat and bone and 30-06 will go through steel, meat, bone, concrete, cars all kinds of shit. Hell even a 7.62x39 will go through a car door, a person and out the other car door. And its much lower velocity than a 30-06. Honestly this is the biggest hmmmmm to the whole story of how it happened for me. Everything else can be made up but ballistics generally tell the truth. Strange shit can happen now and again but from the angle and with that round its like 99% impossible to have what we saw happen, happen.
If you believe that known grifter then you're retarded. There's way to sugarcoat it. She's a deep cover leftoid trying to destroy conservative momentum at a critical time by entrapping thousands of retards into thinking absolute nonsense.
>>523377906yes, that's exactly what we call it, good! you are indeed very well trained.
>>523374994That's anti-semitic and would be considered domestic terrorism. Now stop asking questions goy.
>>523376811Because sloppy job Mossad isn't a saying for no reason.
>>523377044It doesn't fucking matter what he was aiming for, it didn't deflect off his spine carrying that much energy.
>>523377425>>523377662Cavitation makes entry wounds bigger regardless of caliber, Charlie's neck isn't a paper target where you can compare the keyholing of different calibers. There is basically no way to explain why there isn't an exit wound, even a low grain 30-06 would penetrate. He was hit with a significantly smaller caliber, or something else entirely.
>>523377350No it could not have simply done that. That's braindead fuck retarded.
>>523377932Anyone trying to say otherwise either has shit for brains or is a lying jew. There's no in between.
>>523377977Why did Charlie Kirk say to multiple people he was afraid Israel would kill him? Why was a Mossad (Egyptian) jet following around Erika Kirk? You lost, and you deserved to lose.
There were threads about the needle firing from the light behind him, two weeks go by and its forgotten like many things.
>>523376216Fucking retard a 380acp is a 30 cal. It doesnt matter so much about the diameter of the projectile as it does the cartridge behind it. A 30-06 is 7.62mm (30 cal) being propelled by a 63mm cartridge. The projectile travels anywhere between 2400 fps and >3000fps. Delivering around 1500flbs of kinetic impact force at 500 yards. 1500 is enough to explode very thick bones and go straight through lots of tissue as well. Its used for deer, elk and bear typically.
>>523377932when I first saw it, I swear I thought it ricocheted off the clavicle or ribcage, up through the neck, and got lodged in his skull. After more information came out idk, but that was my first thought.
>>523378409The exact method is somewhat irrelevant. It was Israel who ordered it (sitting around eating hummus), and the official story is a bold faced lie. The little shits from TPUSA were in on it and it's looking like Erika Kirk as well. Cui Bono.
>>523377662A keyholeing 3006 would be accurate at 200 yards.
>>523376811they had tyler plant the gun in the woods beforehand. since that's the only gun he had, it's the gun they had to say shot the bullet.
>>523377591No it isn't you fucking moron. 7.62x39 has a way lighter projectile and these tests must have been done at short range. It's like youre comparing 22lr ballistics to 5.56x45. You are a disingenuous retard or someone who is trying to act like you know firearms because you shot grandpa's 22 once. Either way shut the fuck up lying/retarded nigger.
>>523377518You mean the bullet that was never traced to the gun and allegedly hit his jaw bone?
>>523378051How would people in russia react? I expect you slavs would behave just like niggers.>>523378424Does the bullet in that xray look like a pistol bullet you fucking retard?
>>523376216you have never shot a gun in your life, probably because you are 12 years old.
>>523378337A low grain would essentially travel further having more penteration because it has a faster velocity and doesnt dump as much inertia upon impact as a heavier bullet grain would. Every angle of magic 30-06 leads me to the conclusion its completely bullshit. It had to be a much smaller cartridge, perhaps powering a 30cal projectile, but it wasn't fired from a 30-06.
if yall give me the money for the gun i’ll go do an accurate test this weekend on my parents ranch. I used to shoot expert in the army.
>>523378745It could be from something like a 7.62x25 or 7.62x38r fucking dipshit. It could be a 30 cal from almost anything was my point. It's NOT from a 30-06 though you dumb fucking gorilla nigger.
>>523378887What’s your bank info so I can wire you the money?
>>523378655You're clueless. There's 120 grain bullets for 30-06, and at 200 yards a velocity of ~2350 fps is realistic. Its perfectly reasonable comparison.
>>523377870This isn't the civil war gramps. We dont use paper cartridges that we need to worry about them getting wet and loosing efficacy. Hell they shoot fucking guns underwater nowadays. Once the bullet is crimped into the case its pretty weather proof. Ive shot 90 year old ammo out of a m91/30 and a styer m95 and had no issues, besides the styer kicking like a fucking mule and me being sad I shot some of my iron eagle stamped ammo stash through it.
>>523378888No it couldn't you dipshit, 7.62 tokarev and other .30 cal pistol rounds don't have long spitzer bullets. That's obviously a rifle projectile.
>>523374994Because they would like us all to stop asking questions about Charlie Kirk.
I think it's retarded . the whole thing is fucking retarded. THERES A GUN IN THE CAMERA. No there's fucking not you fucking retard. How fucking stupid do you need to be to not believe that someone can climb on a building and shoot a guy from 200 yards away. Obviously that could happen to anyone at any time. It's like, what is the amazing feat here that you just can't believe that someone climbed on a building? we have video of him jumping off hte fucking building you fucking morons but they faked that so that they could shoot him from behind with a concealed gun? WHY NOT JUST SHOOT HIM FROM 200 YARDS AWAY WHNE THEY HAVE A CLEAR LINE OF SITE YOU DELUSIONAL FUCKS. Even if there is a conspiracy here why wouldn't they just shoot him from the roof you dumb fucks? No it was a secret coordinated second shooter with planes from Egypt WHEN THE FUCKING ROOF IS WIDE THE FUCK OPEN. The gun issue is simple, he was shot with a gun from World War I.chatgpt - how would the muzzle velocity be affected by a 100 year old rifle?Barrel wear = velocity downlooser bore = velocity downchamber wear, headspace lost = velocity downA 2900 fps bullet vs a 2300 fps bullet only has 62% the kinetic energy
>>523379230It also could be from a ricochet or a kilometer away.
>>523379266You forgot about the hidden trap door under Charlies table.
>>523379266Sniping isn't as reliable as killing from up close. If you really want the job done anyway. Look what happened with Trump, and that was closer. Anyway he wasn't hit by a 30-06 and you're a disgusting jewish rat.
>>523379108I own more guns, have shot and made more ammo than you have ever seen in your faggot leaf life and you clearly dont understand what the fuck youre talking about. Just like the other dumb leafnigger shill in here.
>>523374994HOW THE FUCK DOES A HUMAN NECK STOP A .30-06???????
>>523375353> magic bullets do exist> in 0.000534% of casesYeah but you realize that this is another one of those magic bullet moments were a dozen other inconsistencies and oddities pop up at the same time.And when that happens and I hear about eyewitness accounts being disregarded, I know I'm in another fed psyop. And then, I disregard the 0.000534% eventuality of an actual magic bullet moment.
>>523377591>Russians did itKek it was the Chinese and Palestinians
>>523375761>Quite a few people have demonstrated there's no way to stop a 30-06 with bones thicker than a human's and more meat than a human neck.This. Even at 200 yards.
>>523379358That's the joke m8 Nothing happened to Trump's ear. He put a plaster on it and it healed within days, fully.Another magic bullet!
>>523379293Bullet would be deformed if it ricocheted, but yeah it was likely a long range shot. That's the point though, people are saying its physically impossible for a 30-06 not to blow his neck apart and use tests with high power hunting rounds at close range as "proof".As other anons itt have pointed out, there's lots of ways the velocity of that round could have been reduced besides range. From weak hand loads, old degraded ammo, worn out barrel, etc.
>>523379230They can and you obviously dont know that. Show me a chart on the size of that actual projectile. You fucking nogunz leafs are insufferable today. Ive spent years building guns, building ammo and testing combinations thereof. You guys and your call of duty gun knowledge can fuck right off.
>>523379436What gets me more is the high-pitch crack heard on camera. I would have thought a 30-06 would be louder.
>>523379656Honestly it reminded me of shooting a high velocity rifle suppressed.
>>523376216>.30 bullets have been found lodged in wounds.But not from only 200 yards. Sure, get hit by a bullet from a .30-06 shot from 1500 yards away and it's like a .38 special by that distance, and could stick in ya forehead even and not kill ya via a freak incident. But at 130 yards or whatever Kirk was at from the alleged shooter, naw.
No guns don’t understand a 30-06 is a pretty big round. Large. Incredible power behind those things. Wish I had an M1 garand
>>523379583I still remember nobody mainstream was mentioning an exit wounds, and then some anons asked on pol about why there was no exit wound and a few days later they reported they found the round stuck under his skin or something. Such a sloppy cover up.
>>523374994Conservatives don't want to test it because if it turns out it wasn't a lone liberal shooter and it was, in fact, Jewish conspiracy, they're going to blackpill super hard.
>>523374994dont knowdont caredidnt readonly came here cause >>523379583IT WAS LIGHTS OUT BEFORE KIRK LEFT THE CHAIRAYE YOWHERES THE VIDEO OF THE GUY THAT GOES "THIS IS A VERY HEAVY TOP" ABOUT THE BUSH ON THE WALKWAY?
>>523376790Didn't they have that nigga cremated?
>>523377425Bruh, 30-06 wouldve exploded his fucking neck the a hole like a grapefruit at 200m wtf lmao
>>523377591>now compare the velocity of both 7.39 and 3006 at 200mThe 3006 will be more powerful at any rate
>>523379637That cartridge is specifically designed for use in submachine guns only. It wouldn't even fit in the magazine of a TT pistol. To drive that projectile at useful velocity, that round is going to be loaded for pressures beyond what 7.62x25 pistols can handle.Your example ammo can't be purchased anywhere nor fired from a handgun. Might as well have posted a picture of a Draco AK and said its technically a pistol according to the ATF.
>>523379728There's lots of ways muzzle velocity could be reduced though. Saying its impossible at 200 yards implies the rifle and ammo were on spec and producing an expected muzzle velocity. If that weren't the case, you could get the performance comparable to the round being fired from a much longer distance.
>>523379972>WHERES THE VIDEO OF THE GUY THAT GOES "THIS IS A VERY HEAVY TOP" ABOUT THE BUSH ON THE WALKWAY?Huh?>>523379839> skin-deepI remember that, who on earth says something like that. I'm almost 100% sure that ackchyually, the spatter you see ejecting behind his head just as it is squashed downwards as if struck from the top with a baseball bat, THAT's the entry wound probably just over his atlas to his right, and that the red hole popping up a frame or two later is the exit wound. >>523379703It's obviously a very small caliber that stabbed through his neck and spine almost surgically. It probably splashed into the ground somewhere in front of him to his left and damaged the concrete which is why everything had to be hastily repaved.Larger than a .22 but obviously also not a 30.06
>>523380318https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOvS9cW1H8
>>523380158Again youre a fucking retard. It doesnt change oal dimensions. It would fit in a tokarev pistol mag just fine. Again youre arguing about stupid shit you dont know about so shut the fuck up and go away with your lies and bullshit. You're just poisoning the well and maybe confusing other retarded nogunz faggot leafs. But in America guns are like our favorite past time. Like how you all love jeets, thats how we love guns. You're not convincing any American that this was a magical 30-06 that a magic neck stopped because the FBI pajeet said so. And you keep using what ifs and also completely made up shit when there are plenty of available ballistic charts for the 30-06 with varying style projectiles yet you chose to post a chart of an unrelated 7.62x39 chart like a fucking retard, which didnt have distance or anything and said well at x distance the 30-06 is probably comparable to this lighter, less propelled round because I pulled it out of my ass... stupid gorilla nigger.
>>523375840>>523374994Why bother testing it? There's no reason to think the actual mechanics of the killing were any different than what was presented. What would even be the point of killing him a different way, with a trickshot from a camera or a stage light or whatever the new conspiracy is? So the bullet was a little weird, so what? What would the benefit of killing him via some backflip method be over using tried and true, standard sniping method?I'm not against the thought that the shooter wasn't as solitary as he seemed or that intelligence agencies were involved, I'm sure they were, but involved in that they rigged up a camera to shoot someone? That's just dumb.
>>523374994>Testing the ballistics of a 100 year old bullet fired out of a 100 year old short barrel rifle by using a new high powered rifle and a new bullet
>>523377044Same bullet at the same distance goes through 2 inches of wood, 4 cutting boards, and 16 inches of ballistic gel (which mimicks human flesh).Candice aside, someone is gaslighting us about the shooting.
>>523380155The 7.62x39mm example in that diagram is at point blank range. A 30-06 out at 200 yards will have similar energy.
I'm nogunz and even I know ballistic gel tests are just a standardized way of testing ammo, not a wound simulator.
>>523377932A new one would. The one fired at Kirk dropped like 10" only being fired from 130 yards. It wasn't that powerful.
>>523380650Based on what you fucking faggot leaf? You dont know ballistic coefficients and how they work otherwise you wouldnt fucking confuse velocity with actual impact energy. Its different. They might be traveling a similar speed but the slightest change in bullet grain weight massively impacts the energy it hits with even if its the same diameter traveling around the same speed. You are too fucking stupid to understand that so once again shut the fuck up and let people who understand how ballistics actually work talk here.
>>523380475Doesn't change overall dimensions? Are you blind? Just look at the fucking thing and compare it to standard tokarev ball ammo, the bullet protrudes way further past the case. It's no problem though because the Chinese made this round specifically for use in their SMG.Even if they could squish it down to the same overall length, there's good reason to deliberately not do that so people don't accidently try running over pressured SMG ammo in handguns.
>>523380602>Testing the ballistics of a 100 year old bullet fired out of a 100 year old short barrel rifleUmm what?Drugs and vidya games are bad mkay?
>>523380591> whatever the new conspiracy is? So the bullet was a little weirdWhat an utter fed, get a new job, you suck at shilling
>>523380722Based on what? Where are you shills just getting this random information from? Your ass? Candice ownes dreams? Candace owens ass in your dreams? Ive seen zero fucking ballistic reports on the incident. Nor any explanation besides absolutely contrived bullshit based on what glowniggers allowed to leak/published. Like the strange texts and all that. Nothing insofar as any ballistics or even saying what type of bullet was used let alone the drop at the 130 yard the shot was supposedly taken at.
We don’t hear about the patsy anymore. George Zinn. You can tell it’s a cover up. The most revealing footage taken was a moment after the shot was heard and you can see a guy on a roof already up and running.
We need Paul Harrell.
>>523380650123 grain bullet vs 180 grain bulletIf you use 130 grain 30.06 it will be travelling at almost twice the velocity as the 7.62Either way, you don't get hit by that and just slump over in your chair, you get knocked over backwards and the bullet explodes out the back of your neck.The official narrative is obvious fucking bullshit.
>>523374994It was an easy shot and so was the JFK shot. Talk to me when someone does it past 700 yards. That's an average shot, 1000+ is where we get into impressive territory.Yes thats what a rifle round would look like hitting a neck at that range. You saw the blood squirt out. Everything inside would look like if you took a sledgehammer to beef. He had no chance even if they stopped the bleeding immediately, his neck was completely pulverized. That bullet doesn't fragment but it hit hard, the force being stopped by neck meat does not have good results for the neck meat.
>>523374994>200 yardsIt was more like 150.
>>523380814>the slightest change in bullet grain weight massively impacts the energy"massively" lol it affects the energy linearly. You can get 120 grain 30-06 bullets, the same weight as the x39. The rifle and ammo that killed Charlie could also have produced relatively low muzzle velocities, so its entirely feasible that the bullet would have even less energy than the 7.62x39 in that example.You're an imbecile to say 30-06 "will be more powerful AT ANY RATE". There's lots of ways it can have even less energy.
>>523380886Omg you are such a fucking moron its not funny. A subsonic round would have LESS energy than a standard ball fmj 7.62x25. Not more. Your fucking stupidity is giving me a headache. I cant fathom people being this clueless and retarded yet continuing to voice their bullshit opinions after getting continually owned and exposed fot being totally retarded. Pic related is you trying to come up with something to make you sound like you are anything other than a noguns faggot who used chatgpt to try and fabricate a theory that is easily debunked.
>>523377932>with that round its like 99% impossible to have what we saw happen, happen(I had a huge reply typed but 4phaggots UI shoah'd it) This is the main point.also it's correct that (even with a .30-06 though far less likely) the killshot bullet deflected downward into torso off of his clavicle. Bullets of all sizes, power, energy, velocity, and calibers deflect off of the bones of mammals upon entry into body, sometimes in the most bizarre unexpected scenarios and configurations. The "it could never deflect down like that" shills are nogunz retards
>>523374994This Owens schizo stuff is bordering on the Sandy Hook shit. I wouldn't be surprised if some of her crazed fans start going after TPUSA guys and get arrested.
>>523381179>The rifle and ammo that killed Charlie could also have produced relatively low muzzle velocitiesBULLFUCKINGSHITIt would take exotic loads for that to be the case and you would have to train A LOT to have any decent accuracy with the exotic loads. Exotic loads means it wasn't just some angry faggot with grandpa's gun. No matter how you try to spin it the narrative breaks down.Your shilling is bad and you should feel bad. Hopefully you get demoted for this, you suck and we deserve better shills.
>>523381179And you can shoot a fucking rock out of a musket too. The fuck is your point? You are literally just making shit up at this point. This was a custom tranny load. 120 grn Spitzer with 5 grains of pistol powder so it was extra low velocity!!! Or the story is a fucking lie, which it obviously is you absolute gorilla nigger. You ain't fooling any one here. Why are you even trying this?
>>523374994that little faggot fuentes is now saying 6 gorillion jews died in the holocoaster its over for groypers
>>523381100>123 grain bullet vs 180 grain bulletYou're assuming it was a 180 grain bullet. We don't know what kind of bullet he was shot with. You can get 110 grain bullets for 30-06.> it will be travelling at almost twice the velocity as the 7.62jfc you guys are slow, we're not comparing the weapons at the same range, or the weapons at all. The original point of that post was to show that a .30 cal rifle bullet doesn't necessarily cause massive cavitation within the first few inches of penetration.>Either way, you don't get hit by that and just slump over in your chair, you get knocked over backwardsHollywood movie understanding of physics. Does the recoil knock the shooter over backwards?
>>523381100>you get knocked over backwardsReal life isn’t an old western movie.
>>523381265Possible but maybe 1 in 100billion chance. Don't believe me, by all means watch the myriad of guntubers shooting bones, simulated necks, ballistic gels, wood, fucking steel. Like please watch it and see what it does. I shot a cow with a 30-06 and you should have seen what it did. Cow bones are more dense than human neck bones. Im not saying theres absolutely no way but it is very very unlikely to nearly impossible for the official story to be true. And then you have dumb nigger shills like in this thread making up the most retarded shit to prove the magic bullet magic neck shot theory and it makes me believe it even less. https://youtu.be/IKK4ATVHk8Q?si=VX4y3YxR-fw_JOZ0
So many noguns and physics F tard in this thread. Must all be glowies and cops. KEK
https://www.youtube.com/live/XWeaaWt1K5E?si=7Vn13GTK2PgdGLxGNew theory just dropped>he was electrocuted by microphone, his necklace conducted the current as the exit wound If you watch the video and see the evidence Baron lays out it makes sense he has burn marks on his hands and how plastic and done up his hands were during the showing
>>523381626 <---15 pbtid>cow bones>human bonesthe "iron bones" argument is irrelevant. <--and a *psyop* posted-memed by Andrew Kolvet of TPUSA "i-i talked to the Utah coroner..." Bullshit.All kinds, sizes of mammals of all different bone sizes-densities have deflected all types/sized of rifle bullets. It's far more possible and likely than "billion chance" (even with a .30-06 which totally doubt was the round or rifle)RE: the clavicle, None of us have access to the *autopsy data* that would provide not only info about the projectile and where it ended up/was recovered from inside body, but more importantly the exact location of wound, channel, tissue damage etc.Everyone on Earth is totally speculating about all of that rn (and only have the several camera angles of the live-shot as it happened from exterior to 'go from')
>>523381381Far from exotic. It's not outlandish that his grandpa handloaded ammo, lots of people do, especially older generations. If he was already hand loading, its perfectly reasonable if he opted for lighter bullets and reduced charges.Whether or not its fudd lore, its common to have reservations about running hot ammo in antique guns. Even if he wasn't concerned about catastrophic failure, maybe he just wanted to reduce barrel erosion on his antique rifle so it lasts longer. > you would have to train A LOT to have any decent accuracy with the exotic loadsIt's not like he's using sub-sonic loads. The difference between standard 30-06 loads and an intermediate .30 cartridge like 7.62x39mm (achievable with weak 30-06 loadouts) isn't remarkable. If the rifles are zeroed to 100m, the difference in bullet drop at 200m is 2 inches. Hardly requires special training.
>>523376216Correct.(see my other 2 posts) As mentioned nobody has the autopsy, and the "iron bones / I talked to the corner" Andrew Colvet TPUSA post was a global psyop disinformation operation of the highest order. Along with the rest of FBI's evidence-free fairy tale.The coroner autopsy report—presuming it exists or is trustworthy—has data on the precise location of the wound and wound channel, in other words we could know from that information exactly how and where the bullet entered, if it hit the clavicle etc. (in addition to, obviously, the metals composition and type of projectile)One reason everyone (based on near-zero plausible evidence) is going "no way .30-06" is because: even if the (whatever caliber) bullet _did not_ hit one of CK's shoulder bones, a .30-06 would have totally blown out his neck i.e. the flesh of his neck and upper shoulder presuming no bone was struck; or a bone _was_ shattered and the round kept traveling horizontally (which is why everyone keeps saying ".30-06 would've gone straight through" <--that makes complete sense and is plausible)
>>523382410In what fucking world does anyone consider a gun that is less that 100 years old “antique”?
>>523376216Why are you using a fake picture as to proce your false statement? You jews are retarded.
>>523374994>"Charlie Kirk had a freakish, turgid, thick, throbbing huge neck vertebrae that stopped a 30.06 bullet and saved bystanders"
>>523382500Exactly, everyone's speculating because we don't have the coroner report. Any conspiracy theory is fair game, but the possibility that his grandpa handloaded ammo and used relatively weak cartridges in his old rifle is just too outlandish for fucking flat earth tier retards to entertain.
>>523382601Anonymous (ID: wq9jVqer) 12 pbtid Leaf is a Disinformation Shill itt
>>523380080You never shot a living thing in your life.
>>523382601Boomers who "know what they got" and insist on no low ball offers.
Also, note that Erika Kirk is being paraded on Holy Zion Media interview tour (Glenn Beck, Bari Weiss CBS) right now with the >"c'mon never mind the ugly details, need to pull together">"don't you peons know what jury contamination is">"it's not about his murder (in particular), it's about his legacy Holy Holy Zii-oon join the team"messaging
>>523379535It doesn't.A steel pole, doesn't even stop .308, which is basically the lil brother of 30-06.https://youtu.be/f67OXeNmQeQ
>>523383085Its not the little brother, they're exactly equivalent ballistically, the bullets are interchangeable. 308 just reduces the length of the brass because modern propellants are more efficient and the extra volume and overall length of 30-06 is unnecessary
>>523376632For reference an m80 contains ~500 footpounds of energy. So dumping four m80s worth if energy into the neck will cause a massive wound.>>523376811Cant budget the Daniel Defense ARs now that USAID cash has stopped flowing. Have to pull random ass milsurplus out like a mauser converted to .30-06 by its insane former owner.>>523377518MLK was leaning forward and it a straight shot to jaw, down spine, through collarbone, through scapula before stopping at the skin.
>>523375353>>523374994There have been dozens of tests at different ranges and calibers and not a single one was able to replicate the official story.What more do you want, astroturfing kike?You dont even need tests, you could calculate it, if feds would tell us what bullet was used (why dont they?), take the weight of the bullet and its speed, then you know how much energy needs to get absorbed to stop it.
>>523376632It isnt a full 90 degree turn, you have to factor in the elevation of the shooter and the angle the Charlie target was positioned. Maybe the bullet only had to deflect 45 degrees to travel into his torso instead of exiting his neck. Perhaps it's still unlikely, but is it impossible given all the other variables?
>>523374994charlie is still alive, the messages she got I think were send after his death otherwise she would have released them on day onethey had a secret affair, erika doesn't know anything but trump doesvance verified that charlie is still alive and the casket empty that is why he went there
>>523374994U know when that shit happenned i was literally the first one on /pol/ to adress this shit , i even made a thread about it Feels good man to be the first one to adress it
>>523383462the only way to beat that bitch is to expose that charlie is still alive which she knows
>>523374994>only conservatives question kirk assassinationOP is a pro-israel liberal, not a pro-gun leftist
>>523377508To deflect something by more than 45 degrees, you have to deal with more energy than when straight up stopping it.
>>523375840Most people don’t want to rush out and recreate “tests” of the shooting of a basically innocent guy who did debates. Only in your sick head is that something people feel obliged to do immediately in the wake of somebody being murdered. What a freak. How would you like it if your mum was stabbed and so some YouTuber recreated her stabbing 50 different ways for his YouTube “test” while her flesh was still rotting in the grave. You fucking freak. Is that how you think. soulless bug cunt.
>>523374994>make topic about how he was killed rather than about WHO killed him These little subtle hints that pundits give you that tell you what side they’re actually on. Again, 4chan doesn’t need to be represented by anything but memes and internet culture to get the job done. The impartiality and optics of being nobodies is precisely what inoculates you from being pressured directly by kikes/occult/glowies This is what they’re actually afraid of.
>>523374994Anybody with a brain knows that it wasn’t a 30-06 and try at jeet patel is a lying brown rat. Charlie Kirk was assassinated by Israel. Miggers are just such stupid niggercattle that they’ll believe literally anything you tell them if you suffix it with “to own the libs”.
>>523383462We've seen lots of xrays from Gaza showing rifle bullets that didn't exit or blow people apart. Conspiracy grifters like Negress Owens insist this is pHySiCaLlY iMpOsSiBlE
>>523376216I specifically shoot deer in the neck. It is a guaranteed kill shot. Until it is not. Blew the throat out of one a couple years ago and couldn't find him.. Caught him on camera a few weeks later.
candace owensfags are probably more annoying than qfags were, given how it hasn't even been that long yet. we're going to be hearing about this shit for years, making everyone look retarded
>>523383708And you dont have any data of any of them.So you question actual tests, because they were done from 201.5 yard instead of 200, but then present twonxrays of different bullets in different scenarios with different angles of different calibers and unknown range. And your previous posted pic was straight up a fake.Make this make sense.You are just a dishonest liar.
5.56 round>mass: 0.0041>muzzle velocity: 975>200y velocity: 70130-06 round (180 grain)>mass: 0.0117 kg>muzzle velocity: 838 m/s>200y velocity: 724 m/s30-06 round (130 grain)>mass: 0.0085 kg>muzzle velocity: 944 m/s>200y velocity: 670 m/ssources:>https://ammo.com/ballistics/5.56-ballistics>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO>https://ammo.com/ballistics/30-06-ballistics>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield-----------------------5.56, point blank range>energy: 1949 joules>momentum: 4.0 kg*m/s30-06 (180 grain), 200y distance>energy: 3066 joules>momentum: 8.5 kg*m/s30-06 (130 grain), 200y distance>energy: 1908 joules>momentum: 5.7 kg*m/sLighter grains of the 30-06 round (130 grain, 110 grain...etc) leave the muzzle faster, but experience a lot of bullet dropoff, so at 200 yards they move about the same speed as higher grains, as well as the 5.56.Because of this, they have comparable energy at 200 yards as the 5.56 round does point-blank. The momentum is a bit higher though. As for the amount of penetration, it depends on the type of round (copper tip, hollow point...etc)These rounds also experience about 4.8 inches of bullet dropoff over a 200 yard distance, which means the shot was likely aimed at his head.>https://ammosight.com/calculators/trajectory/30-06-springfieldAs a side note, this link also disagrees with the source used in the calculations above. This shows that 30-06 rounds can fall as low as 2000 fps at the 200y distance, while the ammo website claimed they remain over 2300 fps.Based on this, it seems reconcilable that, if the shooter was using a lower grain, the 30-06 round might have been stopped, since at that point the round is like normal 5.56 with a bit more momentum. The point of this isn't to say "the conspiracy is debunked. The point is, it's within the realm of possibility there's no conspiracy.
>>523379728I noticed in several shots a sort of grainy circle patch obscuring the wound about a frame before it presents.do you remember that? what was that?like a floating orb little tiny UFO thing that just made a kinda blurry circle.like one of those skin colored bandaids
wait you guys think charlie kirk is dead?the anomalies candace discovered are all real, she only knows about them because she was in on it
>>523383925You don’t have all the data either, so shut the fuck up wanker. You’re acting like you’ve got a comprehensive list of all the possible ways a bullet can kill somebody. Your bullshit is insufferable faggotry that is never satisfied.
>>523383925Grifters like Candice Owens are the dishonest liars. Showing a test of a full power hunting cartridge at close range doesn't settle anything, it's completely irrelevant, yet that's the best forensic evidence for the conspiracy.
>>523383975There's also this weird rifle. An antiquated German brand, and the barrel was changed from the 8mm to the .30-06 at some point. The fact that the barrel was changed for a different caliber, while all of these discussions are centered around the caliber, is something to consider We know the rifle was taken apart and reassembled during the commission of the shooting. There could be some dots to connect here, but maybe not.
>>523384039but at least apply the data we have and dont post completely random garbage!Of course a test at a shooting range with known bullet, angle and distance is more trustworthy than a random picture of a bullet being stuck in someone in Gaza in a completely unknown scenario.You are just he same dishonest liar!>Yes, the kike posted garbage that doesnt meet his own standards and is far worse than everything he complains about... but nut NO U!Why dont we have all the data? Why dont we have Kirks xray?The one thing you point out, is yet again questioning the official story.Nothing you kikes say is helping your point in any way, you just say something in order to say something but dont think about the implications of what you say.
>>523380591Very telling that the only reply I got in this thread full of foaming theorizing was this fedjacketing kraut;>>523380999Nobody can explain why Mossad would benefit from having Kirk killed by a secret agent gadget instead of just using a sniping method, which is a very standard way to kill people, used all the time in war and politics. Why take the risk on some conspiracy method when they could just do exactly the story they're selling and only get positives? Especially when doing it with a secret agent gadget would be significantly riskier for no apparent benefit?
>>523384125You lied.>b but Candace is a grifterIs completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not the official story is plausible and doesnt change the fact that you lied.
>>523384154Its not that weird. Lots of military surplus rifles were sporterized and rechambered in calibers that that are actually being manufactured.
>>523384301Anonymous (ID: wq9jVqer) 18 pbtid Leaf is a Disinformation Shill itt
>>523384301There's nothing implausible about the official story.
>>523384471They said he fit the rifle inside of a backpack.
>>523383975I've seen several shooting videos, and these videos are always taking the shots from close up. Keep in mind that 200 yards is 2 football fields in length, that's quite a distance for the bullet to travel. The closeup shots will have an energy of around 4000 joules. That's what's shown blowing meat to pieces, blowing ballistic dummies to pieces, utterly destroying targets.....etc. That is obviously way more energy than Kirk was hit with.The point-blank 5.56 has half that energy. I don't know for reference sake what kind of damage a point blank 5.56 is capable of, whether it would have an exit wound. But people have been saying the shot would be believable for a close-range 5.56, so I've taken that as the metric. The higher grain of 30-06 delivers about 3000 joules. That's midway between the super-destructive rounds we have on video, and a normal close-range 5.56. I think it's too much energy. Plus the momentum is almost double, seems too much. Therefore the round must have been a lower grain round to explain what we saw. The condition of the rifle, and the type of the rilfe, do affect the muzzle velocity. by about 10% up or down. That could play into things as well. (Strangely enough, some people report faster bullet speeds with the rifle is dirty, rather than clean.)Unfortunately we don't know many things. The type of bullet, the grain of the bullet, the exact distance of the shot....etc. This is all just back-of-the-paper guessing within tolerances...etc. The main point is, there is a case to make that the shooting happened normally.
It's pretty obvious what happened. Shooter was aiming at the forehead, wanted to make a statementUsing grandpappys old rifle Bore likely fucked12-20" deviation from PoA to PoI denotes keyholing Therefore, bullet struck sideways.
>>523384471post Kirks xray
>>523384560The very channel that made the video referenced in the OP has another test at the further distance and there are others doing it as well.
>>523379108He's right. More mass = more momentum. Also, the 30-06 has more energy at 220 meters than a 7.62x39 does at the muzzle.
>>523374994The ballistics worked fine. The prick is dead.
>>523384560Also I wanted to post speculation on the physics of it.What is more important, energy or momentum? I would wager they both play in. Energy is what expands the cavity, makes penetration easier. While momentum is the resistance against slowing, that also contributes to penetration. In this case, I calculated an equal energy, and a 50% higher momentum for the 130 grain round. Would that 50% higher momentum really carry the bullet through? It might actually. The 30-06 goes all the way down to 110 grain, so that's a possibility. Another possibility is the gun had a low muzzle velocity, in which case the momentum and energy at impact would be even lower. (as a side note, I know energy and momentum are intimately related, but in physics they are treated often as linearly independent quantities)
>>523384587>foreheadWasn't visible under tent awning at the downward angle from Losee Center roofNeck shot because that what is visible/possible mark
>>523374994Candace is not wrong and the woke right is trying to censor her. Fuck the woke right. The way Erica has been weeping with crocodile tears and her assuming the CEO when she and Charlie both preached women should be home raising families, kinda makes this whole thing sus. She definitely has a hand in killing off Charlie. Also what kind of retarded grieving widow spends almost all day on Fox News and other shill outlets? Like your kids have just one parent left and all you can think of is groping JD Vance and giving interviews? She 100% had her husband killed off and fuck you all who say "she's a grieving widow and off limits". I didn't see her grieve and I don't care about your opinions
>>523384833Do you know if he took the shot from there specifically? Because that roof is actually pretty huge, and he could have taken the shot from upwards of 200 meters away. People report the gunshots weren't as loud as they perhaps should have been for a 30-06, wouldn't that suggest the shot is taken from further away?
(for the people assuming .30-06 and speculate 'different bullet weights')Weren't there pics of the "inscribed" ammunition rounds that circulated?Do those pics show the forward tip of bullet projectile: can it be inferred or seen what type-manufacture of ammunition rounds are in those pics(No I don't believe anything the FBI has stated/released or that the kill rifle was .30-06 or a 'Mauser')
>>523384801>The 30-06 goes all the way down to 110 grainIt would have been helpful if they released that information. Most 30-06 shooters are firing something like 180 grain. If he fired an off grain that probably would have been reported. And how short would the barrel have to be to reduce muzzle velocity? Far shorter than the one they discovered on his persons. Most 30-06 rifles are barreled between 18-24 inches, 22 being extremely common- but one source says he fired a repurposed Mauser 98 which would have been even longer. A lighter grain bullet would be moving even faster than a 180 grain.
>>523374994Answer me:>>523385009
>>523385075I'm sure he took the shot from Losee Center.Also do believe that the shooter (no, it isn't TR) is shown in the deceptively edited begins-10-seconds-after-shot-fired video running across Losee Center roof(even if the shot was taken from another angle / different building, there would still be the downward grade into amphitheater where the tent and CK was)
>>523385146See post immediately above (You) memeflag
>>523385260Are you asking me to do your assignment? If you want the pics, find the pics and post them you lazy little shit.
Muddying the waters, it doesn't matter what methods or tools were used to kill this ZOG nigger. He turned on his Jew masters and was dispatched by people who control all of your money and have infinite pedo blackmail on all your celebrities and politicians.>B-B-BUT Q SAIDYOU ARE A GROSS BROWN NIGGER WHO SMELLS LIKE SHIT
>>523385075>>523385232Hold on a moment, allow me some speculation. Let's say he took the shot from this spot, which is about 185 yards away. The bullet would have to pass under this awning. It's quite a sneaky shot. But what are these weird tarps I see under the awning? I'm wondering if the bullet had gone through one of those it might lose some energy. Then again, I don't know that he'd take the shot if he didn't have a clear view.Also consider, if he's 185 yards away it might be harder to hear the speakers at the event. He did pull the trigger right when Charlie answered the trans question, so we know he heard it. I suspect that's not in play though, since they're boosting everyone's mic for the ampitheater.
>>523379656>>523379703>high-pitch crackAnother thing that makes me doubt the FBI ".30-06" storyanyway as posted upthread: Most of this, all the 'unwanted' stop-asking questions could be solved instantly with release of the full coroner autopsy
>>523374994Yo, that's one smart negress. How did she get such a big brain in that negroid skull?
>>523385345>memeflag plebbitard 'a-are u threatening me'buttheadIt wasn't posted _for_ (You) (obviously because my post preceded yours)it was an open invitationidga flying fuck about the FBI's case and even less about the trannyopera b.s. just had recalled there were some "inscribed ammunition" pics of the tranny and perhaps ? some anon happens to have them
>>523385447You'd have to do (more than vertical imagery alone) a 3D model of that part of campus, with each rooftop location plotted x-y-z axis angles and distances to the ampitheater tent targetI'm sure the multibillion-dollar crimefighting FBI has the infrastructure to do it
>>523384560>>523384801The characteristics of the projectile (its construction and shape) matter significantly. Small calibers like 5.56 and 5.45 cause significant wounds even with FMJ (non expanding/fragmenting) rounds because their profile causes them to destabilize and tumble immediately upon penetrating, thus causing them to rapidly disperse kinetic energy in the form of cavitation.As seen in this post >>523377591, .30 cal FMJ can pass through 6+ inches of tissue before yawing.>>523384801Energy is ultimately what's important. It's what is conserved. A portion of the energy is transferred as momentum, knocking back the target, but the more energy that's transferred in forms other than momentum, like cavitation, the better when it comes to flesh wounds. An arrow has way more momentum than a bullet, but it just pierces and doesn't rupture flesh in a large temporary wound channel caused by hydrostatic shock.
>>523374994Peculiar how all the good goys suddenly stepped up the Candace smear campaign
>>523385675it's going to get worse as December 15th approaches
>>523384708Idk why I kept replying to him. Obviously either he is a complete retard or he is purposely trying to mislead people. He's probably one of patels jeet relatives living on an expired visa in leafland . The ballistics that he was trying to put off as equal do not work at all. Ive made a shit ton of ammo and shot a shit ton more and its just fucking retarded trying to educate someone on how things work vs how they assume, with little knowledge or understanding, how they work. Fuck em.
>>523384833No one, absolutely no one, would intentionally aim for the neck. It was either head or center mass, with equivalent deviation from either.
>>523385755>probably one of patels jeet relatives living on an expired visa in leaflandchecked, kek
>>523385780>intentionally aim for the neckit's sop for the IDF in urban combat and 'mowing the lawn'
>>523385755Spot on.
>>523385675Curious how all the based boys defer to a negress for their critical thinking.
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>>523386048lmao>>523386000Are you yiddish?
>>523384708That's speculation, we have no idea what kind of ammunition he was firing.No one was denying that momentum is proportional to mass.
>>523386071No. Wtf are you memeflag? Too poor to afford a VPN? Show your flag bitch.
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>>523384560https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIe7IjsaWJ4&t=222I looked up a video on what the 5.56 is capable of at close range. It doesn't actually make it through the ballistics gel. But based on this wound cavity it would seem to go through a human body. It's not so cut and dry because of bones. I suspect this varies a lot with the ammunition type too.
>>523386104>That's speculation, we have no idea what kind of ammunition he was firing.Normal x39 ammo is 123/124 grain and alternative grains are extremely round for that round. A 30-06 in stores is very rarely going to be lower than that. I've never encountered a shop that sells lower than 160. At most shops where I've been through, it'll be Remington 165 as the lowest. Anything lower than that is oddball territory and probably even noted by the police. He would have had to purchase online if he were getting something comparable in grain weight to the x39. >No one was denying that momentum is proportional to mass.When you compare the x39 to the 30-06 it is. The better argument for a downward trajectory would have been just to say that the shooter was firing from elevation.
>>523386239Sure: hollow point, soft point, ball. It's just very unreasonable to throw out incredibly low grain weights like people have been doing. It's an oddity. We should just treat it as if it were 165-180.
>>523386386You're right, but that rifle was also an oddity as well. There's many reasons to shoot a lower grain, and maybe having a weird rifle is one of them.If you assume it's 165-180 grain, then indeed the shot is suspicious. But I think all this means is we need to wait for the information.
>>523386294x39 is a known quantity. The 30-06 ammo the shooter used is unknown. You can't entertain conspiracies of mossad plots, camera guns, exploding microphones, palm pistols, secret trap doors, etc, while dismissing the possibility that grandpa reloaded brass for his old 30-06 as unrealistic.
Has everyone forgotten that his Shirt flew up and the bullet made a Hole in the shirt. How is that possible that his shirt violently flew up before he was hit, or was the neck the exit wound?
>>523386519>There's many reasons to shoot a lower grainOnly one- higher velocity and reducing the need to hold as high. If he were shooting at over 400 yards we might suspect it, but this was under that threshold. I'm not even convinced the shooter knew to hold. >>523386590I did forget. Let me go check that out. >>523386575>You can't entertain conspiracies of...I didn't? You're doing that right now. I'm just saying that the wounding isn't consistent with 30-06, and people in other threads are citing the MLK shooting as an equivalent. I just don't believe either of those could be a 30-06. If furry that did get caught is the guy, then he must have practiced, and more than likely he simply purchased his ammo over the counter.
>>523386689>Only one- higher velocityThat's not the only reason. Grandpa might not have wanted to run hot cartridges out of an old gun, if not for concern of failure then to prolong barrel life. Lighter bullet lets you get the same velocity at lower chamber pressures, and thus reduced barrel erosion. Maybe the old man only used his rifle for shooting varmints or targets.>I'm just saying that the wounding isn't consistent with 30-06I agree, it's not typical. It's not impossible though when the ammunition used is unknown. Definitely can't say it's "physically impossible" like grifters claim.
>>523385675TPUSA are going to give their "final" respinse to candace 15 december, so it's going to ramp up a few more days.
>>523377024Most reasonable post in the thread.Everybody else in here is a schizo/noguns retard.
