Trump is destroying the trust in NATO and is actively propping up Russia while they are engaged in a hybrid war. Can Americans explain how this is in the interest of America?What does America stand to gain from any of this?
>>523381903>What does America stand to gain from any of this?Get the euro welfare queens off of our teat once and for all.Put on your big boy pants and fight your own battles.
>>523382350So nuclear proliferation is the goal of the Trump administration? In terms of defense spending, its already doubled
>>523381903NATO is gay, fuck off
That Bubba blowjob photo must have a huge facial
>>523381903>What does America stand to gain from any of this?Abandoning commitments to prop up parasites and allying with more competent partners.
>>523382596>allying with more competent partners
>>523382420bot
>>523382394>In terms of defense spending, its already doubledTwice nothing is still nothing.>>523382637Yes, Russia is more competent than you. Even if every propaganda line you swallow was true, they'd still be more competent than you.
>>523382705>Yes, Russia is more competent than youMy god i knew the narratives where bad in maga but jx
>>523382764>I have retreated into a fantasy world to avoid dealing with reality.This is why people in the US want to leave NATO.
>>523381903decouple from corporate liberalism entirely and shack up with Russia in the hope of pivoting them against the Chinese, like a non-retarded non-intentionally sabotaged version of that kike Kissinger's plan to use China against the USSR
>What does America stand to gain from any of this?There is a huge debate between JD Vance sho believes that the new sphere of influences should be drawn according to cultural similarities and therefore leave Russia in defacto control Eastern Europe and Marco Rubio which believes that Russia should not be alllowed a inch in Europe because if Russia gets Russia gets its desired borders they can once again start to prop up their historic allies in the Western Hemosphere like Cuba and Venezuela and that’s would be a huge problems for the Monroe doctrine
>>523382888I think some people in Washington want to team up with both Russia and China and create a new economic bloc that is all the big power players just trading freely.
>>523382888>shack up with Russia in the hope of pivoting them against the ChineseAre you aware that ever since the start of the War in Ukraine, their relationship with China has expanded massively?Putin literally mocks Trump and their appeasement, I mean jesus christ lavrov even showed up in Anchorage wearing a CCP shirt. This has to be the dumbest cope ever
>>523382823>says the maga
>>523383025>If you don't support NATO you're a MAGAlmao
>>523383079>retreated into a fantasy world to avoid dealing with reality.That is the literal definiton of maga
>>523383099I was paraphrasing what you said. You retreated into a fantasy world rather than dealing with the reality that Russia's got a more competent government than you do.
>>523383132>Russia's got a more competent government than you do.
>>523383132Thanks for the laugh, but you are too deluded and a traitor to us national security interests, so this conversation is beyond ridiculous
>>523383158You have no argument, just inchoate terror at the reality you are being confronted with. You are pretending to mock me because it allows you to avoid actually thinking about what I've said.
>>523382350>Get the euro welfare queens off of our teat once and for all.Ironically, your congress is trying to ensure Europe stays militarily dependent on the US. The last thing congress wants is Europe being militarily independent because it means hundreds of billions in lost sales for the US weapons manufacturing industry.
>>523383203You pretend as if there aren't 1500 nukes aimed directly at American cities. You pretend as if Russia isn't laughing its ass off at the United States for disparaging its allies to appease them. What you say is so retarded and deluded, there is no point in arguing it
>>523383194>you are too deludedIf you can provide me with evidence that reality is other than it seems, I will consider it.>a traitor to us national security interestsWhat US national security interest is served by promising NATO membership to Ukraine? That is a promise to engage in nuclear suicide if Russia invades Ukraine, a shithole on the other side of the world. The notion that there is any legitimate national security interest for the US in Europe at all is absurd. No threat in Europe could possibly be relevant to the USA except if the USA enters into some entangling alliance which forces it to be so.
Who cares fuck Russia lol. The more Russian are killed by US weapons the better I sleep at night.
>>523383357>shack up with Russia in the hope of pivoting them against the ChineseDo you honestly think this is going to happen?
>>523383399Your president is currently trying to dismantle the EU to benefit Russia, so at least one person in your country cares about Russia and they happen to be fairly important.
>>523381903Trump is the jews golden calf. Hes meant to put jews end goals in full motion. War, dead gentiles, end of the American empire and start of the new global digital system
>>523383342>You pretend as if there aren't 1500 nukes aimed directly at American citiesEurope provides no help against that. Do you imagine your pathetic military could do anything to stop even a single one?>You pretend as if Russia isn't laughing its ass off at the United States for disparaging its allies to appease them.They are laughing with us, since you deserve to be laughed at. You are worthless.>What you say is so retarded and deludedWhat do you contribute to an alliance? You're not an ally, you're a welfare parasite.>>523383435there is no reason to fight the Chinese at all. We should be friends with both the Russians and Chinese.
>>523383449Cope as much as you need commie nigger. As long as US weapons are killing russniggs you can’t say shit soiboii.
>>523383542Trump has a specific plan to dismantle the EU that has become public in the past day you unbelievable retard. Why are American posters on this board so dumb?
>>523383536>Europe provides no help against thatHalf of what our intelligence services get up to sigint to counter just that.. You are retarded and have no grasp of anything Rest of your post is just retarded, everything about you so far has been retarded, Im losing iq points trying to argue with you and i will revet back to >>523383194
>>523383591What does that have to do with US weapons being supplied to kill pussies in r*ssia? We are simply tired of paying for Europes defense. That doesn’t mean we’re going to stop total russnigger commie death.
>>523383673US already stopped most weapons shipments to Ukraine in July https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/2/us-halts-some-weapons-shipments-to-ukraineNow Trump is trying to break apart the EU entirely, so Russia will be able to invade Lithuania and Estonia with less resistance. He is working hand-in-hand with Putin.
>>523383673Your friend is literally arguing that America should ally with RussiaIs there a coherent narrative for why Trump is disparraging nato still?
>>523383602Fight your own wars, oil nigger. Being an oil rich country with no means to defend it after Pax Americana ends will put you in an unsavory position. Good luck faggot.
>>523383602>Half of what our intelligence services get up to sigint to counter just thatno, they just help the NSA get around laws saying they can't spy on Americans directly.>Rest of your post is just retardedYou didn't read it, so you wouldn't know.>i will revet back to >>523383194amusingly your lack of English skills caused you to use an accurate word, to revet means to construct a fortification of stone. You've retreated behind your wall of delusion and derision because you cannot actually engage in rational argument to support your point.
>>523383748kek, still deluded
europeans are shit allies. they resent us and talk shit about america all the time. then they beg for money and protection.
>>523383719Nice cope zigger. Not going to happen. I see you’ve made full circle back to Trump will save r*ssia. I’ll see you here in a year when two million ziggers are dead in Ukraine and r*ssian Kremlin kikes are about to kill Putin for his failure in this war.
>>523383826Your reading comprehension is appalling, I'm not pro-Russia, jesus christ. I'm saying Trump is clearly coordinating with Russia and has already cut military aid to Ukraine, to enable Russia to take it more easily.
>>523381903Trump is a literal Chinese asset that is speedrunning the downfall of the American empire lmfao
>>523383774Once we leave Britain, Germany and France will triple penetrate you then tear you to shreds, Jarl. Not my problem.
>>523381903all this "paradigm shift" nonsense is just a veneer. its plain the US leadership has accepted that they can no longer project power and are playing second fiddle to China and soon perhaps to Russia too. they're not abandoning their empire because they're le based and le America first but because they're broke and weak.
>>523381903America wins by not getting humiliated by Putin showing a video of his president blowing Bubba.
>>523383875It hasn't even been a year and he's permanently destroyed any trust allies might have had in the US. If his job was to destroy the US, he's extremely good at it.
>>523383858Russia is being very public about criticizing America and siding with Venezuela, if what Trump is doing is helpful to Russia it’s completely coincidental and not planned at least on Trump’s side. Trump’s politics is entirely based on what media he is consuming during that week
>>523381903You lost, tranny.
>>523383994It's all pagentry, Russia doesn't particularly care about Venezuela. Trump is currently organizing to have them receive their frozen $200bn back again and to remove sanctions on their oil. He's also planning to end US participation in G7 because they won't allow Russia back in and instead create a new group called C5 with Russia as one of the members and the EU excluded.
>>523383194>>523383158No, amerianon is partially right. Why support a conglomerate of 20 countries that actively speedrun complete suicide and collapse. Why would anyone do that. And this is mostly enabled by globohmo brain parasites. Russia can easily expand it's influence across eastern europe by now. France and germany as well as britain and sweden are now judeo jihadist cuck states. What does anyone get from allying with countries whose main human city capital is goinng to be sub 80IQ browns.
>>523384304>partially rightI am entirely correct and infallible in every way until proven wrong.
>>523381903America always sucked Russia's dick.They built many factories for them when Stalin was industrializing.They gave them a shit ton of land lease.They constantly potray them as a great and mighty power in their media, even though the USSR was a complete joke.Amerimutts are the biggest fucking Russkie fanboys on the planet, while Europeans can't stand them.
>>523385197I guess the only way to love Russia is when there is an ocean between you to lmao.
>>523382596>parasitesThe EU makes the USA trillions of dollars by allowing USA companies to monopolize key markets, upholding USA copyright law, sharing patents/technology, purchasing USA weaponry and investing in the US. China and Russia do none of this and they want the USA to die btw. >b-but EU has free healthcare thanks to us!No. Even Spain can budget for healthcare and education easily. Hell, even Mexico and Brazil that. The USA spends more money than any other country in the world on healthcare and education and it doesn't work because US corporations funnel all that money and charge outrageous prices to the public, fully knowing that the public will use insurance/banks as leverage to pay for that.
>>523382350i have not seen homeless/visibly poor people people till i visited the us.more bums between kennedy airport and key largo in one day than in all of austria in my entire life.
>>523381903>What does America stand to gain from any of this?They are about to get an education. A very painful one. It's been coming for a long time.
>>523384057Just a couple months ago Trump was attacking India and threatening them with tariffs because they refused to stop buying Russian oil after pissing them off for claiming he stopped the war between India and Pakistan, even though he did nothing.Trump's strategy is that of a hysteric woman.
>>523385929He seems to be getting manipulated by Putin. Every time he meets or speaks to Putin, he suddenly becomes extremely pro-Russia. Witkoff and Kushner are currently in Russia meeting with Putin over the future of Ukraine and seem to be feeding back instructions to Trump.
