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Day 1,389 – Daily assessment: https://understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research

▶Latest
>Ukraine has begun using its domestically built Sapsan ballistic missile
>SBS drones broke a new record of 579 hits in a day
>Yaroslavl refinery on fire
>Rare russian AN-26KPA laboratory aircraft hit by Ukrainian drones
>EU decides to keep russian assets frozen, Orban sidelined and cucked
>Zelenskyy arrived in the Kupyansk direction to congratulate the military on the Day of the Ground Forces
>Big counteroffensive in Kupyansk, about 200 russniggers encircled
>russia urgently intensifies activity in trannystria, reservists called up and drone production/training launched
>5th pidor tanker sunk, eternal float
>The AFU raises the Ukrainian flag in the centre of Pokvorsk
>putin agrees to import unlimited indians to make up for the lost troops in Ukraine (and pidors deny it lmao)
>russian military An-22 transport aircraft crashes near moscow with no survivors
>geolocated footage shows Ukrainians have recaptured central Pokvorsk and are now fighting south of the railway
>In 2026 citizens of russian who are in the reserve to undergo military training in the armed forces of russia
>Zel: No surrender of Donbas
>2 pidor pilots suicide by seat ejection whilst stationary at base
>HUR: Su-24 destroyed in Crimea
>Ryazan refinery droned

▶Telegram
https://rentry.org/telosint2023
https://t.me/ukr_pics

▶Intel
https://t.me/DeepStateEN
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)
https://ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)

▶Maps
https://deepstatemap.live/en
https://liveuamap.com/en

▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)
TOUR 1: files.catbox.moe/34fuhc.txt
TOUR 2: files.catbox.moe/uj2wut.txt
TOUR 3: files.catbox.moe/hmyd98.txt
TOUR 4: files.catbox.moe/cdenxe.txt

▶12 min of TZD in one ditch (Pokrovsk area) - 28 killed
https://files.catbox.moe/sxbxfb.mp4
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TzD
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>cofi status?

Remember, JQ obsessives here cannot handle the mature conversation on the Jewish Question, they will inveitably flip to pro-Russian shit, exposing their true form.
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Reminder paid posters cant post zigger gore
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>>523474727
total russian victory
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>>523474813
>nigger
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>>523474813
>beggar
said the clown living off charity in a western country while simping for pidorashkas
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Psalm 14.1: Thou Shalt Total Zigger Death
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>>523474727

When will the pigkraine stop losing?
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wreck all the zigger archeo sovshit junk
TZD
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>>523474846
AK bros
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>>523474907
Ayyyyyyyy meeeehn!
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ziggers know TZD is in the air when the Cheetos truck is outside their commie block
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>>523474076
>>523474615
Just imagine if we hadn't had supported the commies and backed the Zar instead.
I wounder what Russia would look like today?
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>>523474792
Now post the chart featuring the number of Russians killed and wounded for these small victories. By the way, the snail has long since completed its journey.
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norks got samovars out of the deal too LMAO
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>>523474907
what does your country have against russia?
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>>523475328
land is a zero-sum resource, a population is renewable
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>>523474813
Why don't you just go back to your shithole?
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>>523475403
Nordic Unity
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>>523475431
>throwing away your population in a war of attrition
We're lucky they are so stupid
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>be me
>fap
>coom
>jizz lands on keyboard
>keyboard short circuits from the moisture of the coom and starts repeating a key (ie. ggggggggggggggggggggg…)
>clean keyboard
>currently waiting for it to dry
This is genuinely the weirdest, stupidest thing that ever happened to me while using a computer. What the actual fuck.
Anyway, teezeedee.
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zigger becomes samovar
TZD
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>>523475431
Why do you assume land taken is land held indefinitely? Last I checked, Russians died over this land within living memory and now have to die again to reclaim it.
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>>523475403
Access to toilets, for starters
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>>523474846
he should have taken the hint.even his rifle was pointing towards the fact thats its not worth fighting for monkey.
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>>523475511
Losses from attrition can be recovered, land lost cannot
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>>523475403
The big problem is that the kremlin regime is starting unjustified wars in Europe against Europe and against innocent Ukrainians while having attacked and antagonized us for decades
What russians think doesn't matter because the kremlin regime is a dictatorship and "russia" is just a loose term in this regard
The problem and enemy is the kremlin regime and its actions and the crimes it has perpetrated
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>>523475601
see>>523475579
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>>523475601
You can't recover losses. People do not come back to life. When you finally lose the war and go back to Russia, your mobiks will stay dead.
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>>523475493
Nordics should have nothing against the Russians. It is the rest of Western Europe (the British, French, Germans, Italians, and Americans) that should be the concern for the two. Nordics and Russians should unite.
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>>523475601
there's no meaning in land if there's nobody to occupy it
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>>523475601
>land lost cannot
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAH
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>>523475661
Really? There is little to no population in people living in oil fields and mines, but they are still of enormous value.
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>>523475659
>Nordics and Russians should unite.

Hyi! Vittun ryssä.
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>>523475648
ziggers seem to have that hoi4 approach to life.its all about painting the map no matter the cost.which is an insult to life itself.
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why dont russians send these indiands to war? It would be great. win-win for us and them,
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>>523475744
>Nordics should get more aids
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>>523475725
if they're of such a value, why isn't some corpo or mafia all over it already?
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>>523474727
When will the pigkraine stop losing?
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>>523475648
A population can be recovered, it will just take 18 years, but it is possible.
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>>523475431
>is renewable
>checks natality numbers on both sides
its truly joever
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>>523475690
>We didn't lose our land because a CIA funded think-tank drew some lines on a map!
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less AIDS in the world is good
TZD
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>>523475777
Indians are interchangeable economic units, too frail and disloyal to do anything that isn't completely self-serving. The role of the Russian citizen is to die for their country and make room for the Indian economic units to replace them. Indians have lower rates of alcoholism and HIV, so they will be in good working order for longer than the average working class Russian male.
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>>523475842
and conquered land can be lost, which can happen even faster
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>>523475842
No it does not. Your dead population does not reproduce, dummy. Sure you will get "more population" if they breed, but mathematically less than if you hadn't killed 1.3 millions between 2022 and 2025
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>>523475777
They sometimes do but the thing is retarded pajeets aren't gonna be useful for much besides being cannon fodder for drones, skilled and useful soldiers are smart and often come from technical backgrounds. That's why the military wants you even more if you're getting those good grades
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>>523475774
Yeah, ziggers are pretty disgusting
What else is new
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>>523474832 Mug rendforcements have arrived

The savage Russian hellscape only becomes more savage and increasingly hellish, with a new level of impoverishment setting in, as more companies can no longer pay workers.
https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1999440613226479750?s=20
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>523475864
>w-w-we didn't lose it, the zlonsky video is AI
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>523475777
Unlike the West, BRICS countries will not backstab each other. The SMO is not their fight. However, they can be hired to fill labor gaps and be brought in to replenish the population lost.
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>>523475278
we did support the whites. sent expeditionary forces and everything (AEF, North Russia and AEF, Siberia).
turns out the whites were also incompetent russians.
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I want this war to end.
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>>523475431
So in your retarded tiny mind, taking 1% of Ukraine for 2% of Russian male population is good?
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>>523475328
Sure!
14:1 zigger
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>>523475955
Lol
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>>523475999
kek
the Ukraine pajeeet shills are pathetic
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Good news: Russia “liberated” two inhabitants of Siversk.
Bad news: The other 10,873 residents who wanted to remain Ukrainian had to be killed or forcibly displaced, and their homes destroyed for that “liberation” – as you can see in the background.
https://x.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1999407427716870496?s=20
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>>523476022

Moscow Times.

We don’t take our news from MI6
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>>523476101
Are the bodies in the exchanges the only deaths in this war?
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>>523476057
Ukraine is the same country fakes genocides, like the Holodomor
It's not a stretch to say their maps are fake too
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>>523476100
Yes. 1% of Ukraine means 1% more land for Russia. The lost 2% can be recovered, either through the native population bearing children and having the children maturing for 18 years or bringing in people from the former USSR and/or BRICS.
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>>523476149
>We don’t take our news from MI6
What happened to CIA?

Meanwhile in Russia:
https://x.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1999528240461816250?s=20

https://regulation.gov.ru/projects/163224/
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>>523476199
>either through the native population bearing children and having the children
Except Russians are not having children. Russia is a one giant demographic crisis spiral, which it cannot recover from and every year it gets worse and worse.
>or bringing in people from the former USSR and/or BRICS.
Are you advocating for the great replacement?
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I want pedophiles and their enablers to suffer.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/07/09/french-lawyer-who-defended-child-abuser-surgeon-le-scouarnec-dies-in-apparent-suicide_6743204_7.html
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>>523475902
The remaining population can still reproduce and recover the lost population that way, or Russia can bring in people from the former USSR or BRICS.
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>>523476100
>The entire Donbas is 1% of Ukraine
European math btw
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>523476193
>das rite xoxol I only take puccian sources
zissies... not like this LMAO
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>>523476135
>the Ukraine pajeeet shills are pathetic
Those two memeflag jeets that can't afford a VPN are fun to watch.

Kikes are as stingy as they are subversive
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>>523475999
it simply cannot be said often enough.you cannot bargain with ziggers since they will break any deal if they think that they can get away with it.
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>>523476149
>1 post by this ID
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>>523474727
>800k indians
the first time ive felt bad for russia, no country deserves that
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>>523476312
societies aren't like crops and don't behave automatically like that
fittingly and somewhat deservedly russia will be the author of its own societal erasure
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>>523476312
>We can borrow the population from other country
You can borrow their money and their land too then.
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>>523476324
Russia already controlled half of Donbass since 2014. Russia still doesn't fully control Donbass now. I am talking about the last 3 years, when war of atrittion started. Yes, Russia only took 1% of Ukraine in the last 3 years.
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>Зeлeнcкий пpиeхaл в Кyпянcк, o взятии кoтopoгo нeдaвнo дoлoжили Пyтинy. Киeв гoвopит, чтo тaм oкpyжeны poccийcкиe вoйcкa
Zelenskyy has arrived in Kupyansk, which was recently reported to Putin as having been captured. Kyiv says that Russian troops are surrounded there
https://x.com/bbcrussian/status/1999470899611705513?s=20

https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c8r33v0ngmro
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>>523476342
trvke
endless lying and deflection
drives me fucking psychotic at times
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>>523476353
America is getting overconfident in the tech race. They will soon find out how much they took Indian talent from granted.
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Ukraine's General Staff confirmed hitting Slavneft-YANOS refinery in Yaroslavl processing 15 million tons annually with explosions and major fire, plus ammunition depot near Avdiivka and enemy forces near Myrnohrad and Rodynske.
https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1999531902881980506?s=20
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>>523476159
Zigger say what?
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>>523475777
And have the soil contaminated with whatever eldritch diseases and parasites the Oriental Special Forces Brigades carry?
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What is Ukraine fighting for again?
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>>523476369
Cool it with the antisemitism bro.
Diversity is our strength
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>>523476353
the strategy is that they will rape women and solve their demographic crisis.
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https://x.com/EerikNKross/status/1999160247475183851

According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.

While this approach is not entirely new, the combination of a clear deadline and the new National Security Strategy raises the question of whether Washington has fully thought through the implications.

As a thought experiment, I attempted to estimate what it would actually cost the United States to withdraw its conventional military assets from Europe.

Naturally, there may be elements I am not aware of, and this is not intended to be exhaustive. However, the resulting figures are very likely on the low side of what the real costs would be.

Below is the picture under three scenarios: an abrupt withdrawal, a rapid withdrawal, and a gradual phase-out.

Summary:

A full U.S. military withdrawal from Europe, including Army, Air Force, Navy presence, pre-positioned stocks and C2, and relocation of those capabilities back to U.S. or other theatres, would likely cost on the order of $70–140 billion in one-off and capital expenses. This would be spread over roughly 5–10 years in a planned scenario.
An abrupt pullout, maybe technically possible in 1–3 years, would sharply raise short-term costs and political damage, while leaving major capability gaps and storage problems.
Any such move would also increase long-term operational costs if the U.S. ever needed to project power back into Europe.

>part 1
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>>523476484
this:
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>>523476384
>Russia only took 1% of Ukraine in the last 3 years.
EUROPEAN MATH
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027

Analysis:

1. What are we actually talking about removing?

Very rough, but ballpark:

Personnel in Europe (DoD only):
80–90,000 active-duty US troops in Europe (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines) plus several tens of thousands dependents and DoD civilians.

Major Army formations:
2nd Cavalry Regiment, rotational Armoured Brigade Combat Teams, combat aviation brigades, artillery, air defence, logistics brigades, SOF elements.

Air Force:
Several fighter wings (Germany, UK, Italy), heavy airlift and ISR presence (Ramstein, Mildenhall, etc.), plus support units.

Navy:
6th Fleet HQ, forward-deployed ships & subs, Rota (Spain) destroyers, logistics/support.

C2 - strategic enablers:
EUCOM HQ, AFRICOM HQ, AIRCOM & AOC support, CAOC integration, SIGINT/ISR sites, pre-positioned stocks (APS), depots, medical facilities, fuel farms, communication backbone, etc.

So we’re not just talking “some brigades and jets” — it’s a whole theatre infrastructure.

2. Types of cost one would need to count

Physical relocation costs
Moving people, families, equipment, vehicles, aircraft, munitions.
Shipping, strategic airlift, de-rigging pre-positioned stocks.

>part 2
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>>523476564
It did though. Russia only took 1% of Ukraine in the last 3 years. This statement is objectively correct. How much land did Russia take since december 2022?
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>>523476553
So you're fighting against something you basically are with a different flag
Just so that people like me can go to Ukraine and fuck your women while you die in the trenches
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Burger VPNiggers in MY thread?
It's more likely than you think
>free PC check
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>>523476460
Every time the body exchanges are brought up, you self-hating Americans never manage to explain why you think that stat counters the overwhelming evidence that more Russians are dying than Ukrainians. It would be nice if you were different, but I've probably already debated you and won. You are a zealot cheering on "the bad guys" merely because you hate your own country. You would cheer on Iranians, Chinese, and Venezuelans the same way, despite claiming you support Russia because they are white and trad.
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>>523475876
i see only 4 bodies
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>>523476624
>Donbas is 1% of Ukraine
Europeans can't do math.
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.
>>523476615

New infrastructure & basing costs
Building or expanding bases in the US (I think the military term is CONUS) or elsewhere to receive relocated units.
Housing, schools, depots, ranges, HQs, hardened shelters, IT, comms.

Contractual and political costs
Base closure, environmental remediation, penalties, host-nation agreements.
Possibly early termination of long-term deals, SOFA adjustments. (Sure, the US can probably just not care about this, but the political cost for not caring would be a generationl reputation damage in Europe)

Operational opportunity costs

Reduced forward presence means more time & money to come back if needed.
Increased strategic lift requirement for any future operation in Europe and Middle East.

3. Rough money estimate (order-of-magnitude)

A) Moving the stuff

Hardware in theatre:

Several armoured brigade equivalents:
Say 1,000–1,500 heavy vehicles (tanks, IFVs, SPGs, MLRS, etc.).

Thousands of other tactical vehicles, trailers, support assets.

Dozens to low hundreds of aircraft (fighters, transports, helicopters, ISR platforms).

Massive amounts of ammunition, fuel, spare parts, comms gear, medical stock, etc.

Moving can be:
>part 3
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>>523476624
Who owns Bakhmut? Adiivka? Melitopol? Mariupol? Kursk?
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>>523476624
Kinda silly tho, DESU
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>>523474727
>unlimited number of factory positions

>Ulkraine drones soon to be equipped to detect methane and curry
>hidden wartime industry shattered
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>>523476691
Are you playing dumb, because you are seething?
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>>523476419
it is not worth it dude, they are so awful to have around. russia risks having it's post war economy subverted by nepotistic pajeets invading the jobs their next generation should be taking.
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.
>>523476693

Strategic airlift (C-17, charter) – extremely expensive per ton.

Sealift (RO/RO ships, containers) – cheaper, but months of port/rail logistics.

If you treat it like a large, multi-year retrograde and use lots of sealift direct transport bill might be on the order of:
$10–20 billion (over several years)

That includes unit moves, families, and large-scale movement of pre-positioned equipment.

B) Building and expanding bases in new locations (US or even SE Asia)

This is the big one. Consider:

A single new or massively expanded Army base with housing for 15,000–20,000 people, training areas, depots, motor pools, HQ facilities, hospital capacity etc. can easily cost $5–10+ billion over a decade.

Air bases with:
Hardened shelters
Upgraded runways and taxiways
Ammo storage
Fuel infrastructure
Security, tech, and climate hardening
can run to multiple billions each.

C2 & HQ infrastructure (replacing EUCOM/AFRICOM footprints, relocating data centres, comms nodes etc.) is another multi-billion line.

If you assume:

The U.S. would need 3–5 major additional / expanded Army facilities,

2–3 major Air Force hubs,

>part 4
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>>523476717
>>523476719
So my statement is correct and you have to cope?
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>>523476484
We have so much pussy that we can even share
Seems like being an incel in US is a common thing
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>>523476643
Well no, there's obviously more that the Ukrainians are fighting for but you're a dishonest interlocutor so he's basically just telling you to go fuck yourself.
Faggots like you have been lying and deflecting for years about this topic spreading anything but the factual truth.
For any anon reading along and wondering why Ukraine is actually fighting against russian instead of just giving up, here's a partial summary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obMTYs30E9A
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.
>>523476751


plus significant expansion at existing ports, depots, and training ranges,

we are probably in the ballpark of:

$50–100 billion in new or expanded infrastructure over, don't know, 10–15 years

depending how gold-plated and dispersed you make it.

C) Soft financial costs

Base closure & remediation in Europe:
Environmental cleanup, infrastructure handover, legal obligations sums up to many billions over time. Again, this is often politically obfuscated.

Re-tooling pre-positioned stock concept:
APS sites in Europe would need to be replaced with stateside or alternate-theatre storage (e.g. CONUS, Indo-Pacific). That’s more construction & logistics.

Let’s conservatively throw another $10–20 billion over time for closure/cleanup/contractual and APS restructuring.

D) Total order of magnitude

Add the pieces:

Transport: $10–20 bn

New/expanded infrastructure: $50–100 bn

Closure/cleanup/APS reshuffle: $10–20 bn

This is very plausilby

$70–140 billion one-off / capital + transition cost
spread over a decade or so.

>part 5
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>>523476664
>Burger VPNiggers in MY thread?
>It's more likely than you think
it do be like that
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>>523476193
>>523476643
Why is your English so shit?
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>>523476717
Who owns Kherson and Kupyansk?

The Russian gains clearly aren't permanent, because if they were then Ukraine would have never become an independent nation in the first place. Grandsons are dying in the same cities their grandfathers died fighting in. How bleak.
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>523476643
>I fuk ur white womin saar
no, only russians for you
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>>523476336
>Kikes are as stingy as they are subversive
kike are fuel to our fires
it's ethically correct to dismember and destroy and kill every kike we come across, I show no mercy to every kike
my jewdar is highly accurate
Our magik Fraktion shall prevail
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.
>>523476835

That’s not counting:

Higher recurring cost of projecting power back into Europe later,

Extra spending on strategic lift,

The cost to rebuild political credibility if the US ever wants to return becuase believe it, if Europe has to build up the same stuff and will become strategically capable and independent in say 10 years, why would Europe want the US back?

E) Three scenarios (time)

Scenario A – “Crash pullout and political rupture”

Timeline: 1–3 years

Politically motivated, rapid drawdown (like “bring them home now”).

Priorities: personnel out fast, families first, then high-value kit, then what you can salvage.
You use a lot of airlift and surge sealift.

Bases are left “warm” or mothballed; minimal remediation at first.

Feasible in a few years, but:
Operational chaos
Very high short-term logistics costs
Enormous political damage in NATO
Many assets stored in suboptimal conditions until proper bases are ready.

Scenario B – “Planned strategic re-posturing”

Timeline: 5–10 years
>part 6
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>>523476763
>Stalemate is a cope?
Yep.

Those paying attention will remember the shift from
>"Ukraine is winning"
to
>"Spring Counteroffensive"
to
>"Kursk lmao"
to
>"Russia is winning too slowly.
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>>523476777
Ukraine has an IQ lower than Alabama, the poorest state in my country
Only a dumbass like you would think that's a great comeback
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>>523476922
So you do agree that in the last 3 years, Russia only took 1% of Ukraine?
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>>523476193
>Ukraine is the same country fakes genocides, like the Holodomor
>Ukraine is the same country fakes genocides
>country fakes
Wow slow down there with the typing John Burger, you're russian grammar is showing
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Why doesn't /uhg/ have a good mascot like /chug/ (pic related)?
No, Marichka doesn't count. reminder that the person who originally made all of the early marichka art stated that "she" had a penis.
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.
>>523476911

You phase out presence gradually:
First close some smaller sites.
Consolidate remaining forces into fewer hubs.
Meanwhile, build or expand bases in the U.S. (or possibly in the Indo-Pacific or dont know, "the Western Hemisphere").

Equipment moves in waves; some pre-positioned stocks get re-shored or scrapped/modernised.

Remediation and host-nation negotiations happen in parallel.

This is politically and logistically more realistic.

5–7 years is probably the minimum if Washington wants to avoid major disruption. Does it?

10 years gives time to align with budget cycles, procurement, and new doctrine.

Scenario C Something like “Silent hollowing out”

Timeline: 10-15 or more years

Officially U.S. “remains” in Europe, but:
Gradual troop reductions
No new major units deployed
Pre-positioned stocks quietly reduced
C2 footprints slimmed down

Cost is lower because things are not replaced and slowly shrinking.

This is less “withdraw and relocate” and more “let it wither”, but it’s often how great powers reduce presence.

F) Strategic implications for US (not political, thats a whole separate story)

>part 7
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>the poorest state in my country
mearshy, come on...
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Ultra
Mega
Zigger
Death
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>>523476780
I'm not dishonest interlocutor just because I don't push narratives for the US State Department like you do from a German US military base in Berlin
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>>523476551
>According to Reuters, the United States has informed European NATO allies that it no longer intends to provide conventional assets for Europe’s defence after 2027.
>>523477014

Pure force-planning says: relocating everything back to US or anywhere makes future operations in Europe much more expensive.

More airlift, more tankers, more sealift, and more pre-planned surge plans just to get back to where you were.

C2 that is physically remote (e.g. controlling a Baltic war from the U.S.) is slower, more fragile, and politically less credible.

Downside for NATO's Eastern flank is obvious, but this might not be Americas priority problem for now:
US relocation changes the risk calculus for Russia:
a U.S. that has physically left Europe has to decide and mobilise to come back, which is exactly the window for opportunistic aggression.

Finally, I did calculations for Europe to replace US conventional assets and strategic enablers. I cam up with a rough 300 billion number.

So in total. It would cost the US about 2/3 to leave and lose control of European theatre what it would cost for Europe to replace the US assets and become strategically independent.

Im not sure who loses more in this equation.
>part 8
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>>523476777
>I saw Russia at the gay bar three times last week! Lmao what a faggott1!

kek if posted unironically
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>>523477059
HAHAHHAHAHA
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The zeething is delicious.
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>>523474727
Putin said Russia had taken Kupiansk weeks ago.

Zelenskyy visited Ukrainian troops there.
https://x.com/United24media/status/1999494747900072264?s=20

https://files.catbox.moe/wtgunl.mp4
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TZD
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>>523476964
>So you do agree that in the last 3 years, Russia only took 1% of Ukraine?
Objectively true.

First attrition war, anon?
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>>523474727
The EU just decided to indefinitely immobilise Russian assets.

This ensures that up to €210 billion in Russian funds stay on EU soil, unless Russia fully pays reparations to Ukraine for the damage it has caused.

We keep increasing the pressure on Russia until it takes negotiations seriously.

Next week’s European Council will be crucial to secure Ukraine’s financial needs for the coming years.
https://x.com/kajakallas/status/1999540583921041551?s=20
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>>523476968
The Holodomor never happened
It's atrocity propaganda just like Bucha
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>>523476997
Spreading misinformation on the internet is morally wrong.
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>>523477195
>Objectively true.
Good, now do you agree that the minimal confirmed number of Russians that have died is 1% of their male population, therefore making it around 2% in real numbers, therefore Russia took only 1% of Ukraine for 2% of their male population?
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>>523475403
do you support HIV?
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>>523476881
Actually he did say ukrainians are russian so the jeet wasn't entirely lying when he claimed to fuck their women, there was just a nuance
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>>523477073
Still refusing to post the full picture? Understandable, very embarrassing.
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One Russian paper today sees "a split in the Western camp. This is objectively good for Russia.” Other papers: “crisis” in metals industry & “more than 40% of working Russians surveyed have barely enough/not enough money before payday for food & essential goods.” #ReadingRussia
https://x.com/BBCSteveR/status/1999423019064897875?s=20

https://files.catbox.moe/n4johj.mp4
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>>523476413
this is why the peacenik is the worst of all zigger types.in peace times he argues that you dont need the ability to defend yourself and during war he will tell you to get on your knees and hand over everything even after a millions minsk deals.some niggers want to abolish the police for the same reasons
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>>523476922
Not even an unreasonable article after Russia got buck broken in Kiev, Kherson and Kharkiv by that point but of course that's in the memoryhole it was always about meat grinding a few miles away from stuff they took in 2014 of course
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>>523477331
Pornhub is owned by a Ukrainian-Jew
Pornhub is a site for child trafficking
Using them as a source is a bit odd, pedophile
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>>523476682
Right you are. I owe you one dead zigger plus interest.
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>>523477200
Steve Witkoff is headed to Berlin this weekend for a meeting with Zelensky and European leaders, I’m told.

Comes as U.S. presses for a deal with Russia before the end of the year.

Witkoff will be Trump’s representative in the key meeting.
https://x.com/alexbward/status/1999632534901256457?s=20

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/witkoff-to-meet-zelensky-and-european-leaders-in-berlin-this-weekend-on-peace-plan-2fc621d7
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>>523477266
Confirmation bias often prevents us from getting a clear picture.
A good sign of this is impossible casualty ratios
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>>523477317
The nuance is forming in the sandwich!

>>523477349
yeah
but no one worth taking seriously is actually aiming to "abolish the police"
when they talk about "defund the police" it's usually about the limited amount of funds availiable and the fact that programs aimed at prevention are far more monetarily and socially effective than letting people deteriorate and grow up in a way where they will be thieves, murderers and criminals and then put police everywhere in a bid to attempt to fix and keep a peace that has been lost several societal steps ago
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>523477398
>pedophile
cool it with the russophobia
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>>523477331
Kek if posted unironically
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Good TZD evening. How are we all?
Niggertits may get banned in the Britbong tomorrow. I will have to find a new place to laugh at ziggers.
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>>523477509
Ukrainians are Russians tho
You just have a piss colored flag
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>>523477496
The dead rusniggers confirmed by their families don't exist and never existed, got it. You would fit right in Russia, comrade.
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>>523477509
Also, a reminder
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TZD
14:1 is a conservative estimate.
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>>523477445
Just as Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner put together a plan to sell out Ukraine for “business deals in Russia” Russian prosecutors have seized a $1 billion Russian agricultural firm owned by US investor George Rohr. Nobody will make any money in Russia
https://x.com/Billbrowder/status/1999732601049776511?s=20

https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/russian-prosecutors-ask-court-seize-assets-us-fund-nch-capital-kommersant-says-2025-12-10/
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>>523477585
>kid-diddling legal in ukraine
Explains why jews are so obsessed DESU
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>>523477601
theyre doin good work https://sbs-group.army/
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>>523477610
I have a question: if Russia is an untapped Eldorado for American businesses, a prospect that supposedly justifies sacrificing Ukraine, how come the Chinese haven’t taken advantage of their current privileged position to make massive investments and profits there? Over the past two decades, China’s investments and contracts in Russia were merely *one third* of the business that China did in, for example, Australia. https://aei.org/china-global-investment-tracker/
https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1999134621175369888?s=20

pic 1
https://files.catbox.moe/rk6d4f.jpg
pic 2
https://files.catbox.moe/bb2jcs.jpg
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>>523477573
did you just insult russians for having a low IQ? >>523476934

gulag time
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>>523477580 >>523477601
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>>523477553
nice gaslighting you piece of shit, your side is the one who claims to be anti faggotery unlike the degenerate west, then you got exposed as being the biggest faggots
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>>523477724
Ukraine started using women later than Russia? Talk about war of attrition lmao
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>>523477722
Russians like you do have low IQ
The further you are from your capital, Moscow, the more inbred you get from bad genes
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>nu-uh! ur coping!
pidors rot in the fields, in pieces
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Why cant any of these totally real americans post zigger gore ?
Only shills cant post zigger gore
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>>523477786
>losing is winning
Are we looking at another feint like from 2022?
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>>523477252
cool head canon
now post your keyboard
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>>523477807
Having a high K/D in a civil war isn't something to be proud of bud
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>>523477786
>general pooteen, CIA
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>>523477664
>illiterate nigger
>supports puccia
shiver me timbers what a shocker
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>>523477777
Checked, russians are officially low IQ inbreds
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>>523477824
holy shit LMAO
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>>523477824
Damn man i really wanna get high on this but the source is too weak
fingers crossed
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>civil war
Oh boy, a time traveller.
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>>523477950
Porn is outlawed in Russia so those searches are from VPNs.
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>>523478015
Does that mean that the searches didn't happen?
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>>523477953
The "war" in Ukraine is a civil war between Western Russians calling themselves Ukrainians and Eastern Russians
Ukrainian is Russian dialect and Ukrainian culture is downstream Russian culture
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>>523477992
fuck are they ever pooper-pained over this
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>>523476997
>nice mascot
>burning zigger grill is supposed to be a mascot
KEKAROOO
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>523478060
>The "war" in Ukraine is a civil war between Western Russians calling themselves Ukrainians and Eastern Russians
Ukrainian is Russian dialect and Ukrainian culture is downstream Russian culture
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>>523477398
Irrespective of one's feelings or facts about pornographic industry, this is a window to preference based on aggregated data. Do you have a valid reason to doubt the data, without shifting the subject of the conversation?
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>pozzia is not globohom-ACK
>nobody owns anything
>and is happy (until cubification)
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>>523478150
It's ovier
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>>523478048
It happened but they weren't from Russians.
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>>523478060
>Ukrainian is Russian dialect and Ukrainian culture is downstream Russian culture
>Russian most search pornhub category
>tansgender (cringe)
>Ukrainian most searched pornhub category:
>MILFs(Based)
We are not the same
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>>523477950
>troon-on-troon violence
kek
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>>523478219
The exchange is quietly twirling...
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>>523478150
The Kupiansk offensive was only a distraction. You will see the real offensive soon enough.
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>>523477553
>bet you feel pretty stupid
Not even slightly.
You spent 3 years shilling that Russia is the "Based Trad Savior."
We proved it's just a multi-ethnic empire run by oligarchs importing Central Asians to replace Slavs.
Now you pivot to "o-okay both sides are bad so stop resisting!"
No.
If the choice is "Western degeneracy" vs "Eastern degeneracy + getting murdered in a trench," I choose life.
Your "gotcha" just confirms there is zero moral reason to surrender.
Cope harder, defeatist.
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>>523478133
You guys are just pretending you aren't Russians like trannies pretend they aren't men
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Another +400 day, godspeed SBS!
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>>523478212
Pornhub is ran by a Ukrainian (Western Russian) jew
They literally sex traffic women and kids
Not a good look
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>>523478297
this nigger is such an obvious twatter plant
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>>523478351
If Ukrainians are Russians, why are you a commie nigger?
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>>523478340
>Stage 5: Acceptance
Good ziggie. The ziggerpiles of death vill mount and you vill enjoy it. Kupyansk is far from the last failure of the zigger horde.
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cart of shit status?
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>>523478413
The easier it is to take land, the easier it is to retake land. The summer 2023 offensive demonstrated this
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>>523478340
Are you admitting you lost in Kupyansk? I thought that was a hohol fake >>523476193
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>>523478443
Stalin was one of the better leaders of Ukraine
He made it a better place
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>>523478060
Russian is a Ukrainian dialect thoughbeit
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>>523478535
>Stalin was one of the better leaders of Ukraine
>He made it a better place
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>>523477398
Why are Russians visiting a child trafficking website to watch transgender porn?
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>>523478612
yeah it got awful quiet quick LMAO
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>>523478119
You see things like this and then remember that countries like Canada want to assemble 300,000 soldiers for potential conflict and they have no counter to drones. They still live in the old way thinking of sending waves of useless men that die without firing a shot.
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>>523478566
Ukraine, before Stalin, was a medieval shit hole ran by oligrachical feudal landlords (kulaks)
Stalin killed those parasites, and used their wealth to give every Ukrainian a roof over their heads, public schools, a job, decent roads and a safe retirement
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>>523478564
It's such a turkic-mongol-slavic mutt of a language I don't even want it to be a dialect of mine. Ukrainian and Belarusian are mutually intelligible, puccian is not with either
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>>523478351
>claims they are just russians
>gets mogged by them for 3 years

So you're telling me the "real" Russians are getting filtered by the "fake" ones?
Imagine being so repulsive that "your own people" prefer death over liberation.
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The US has done something which I would consider good, which is unlike them

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpwlkklyxo
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>>523478779
>Ukraine, before Stalin, was a medieval shit hole ran by oligrachical feudal landlords (kulaks)
>Stalin killed those parasites, and used their wealth to give every Ukrainian a roof over their heads, public schools, a job, decent roads and a safe retirement
Ukraine had a university before Russia existed.
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>>523478779
This is a wild statement coming from an American
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does the ukraine flag have some kind of curse on it?
people who step on it keep losing limbs
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>krokodil-fueled commie delusions
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>>523478779
Aaaaaaand he reveals he's a commie nigger, discusson's over
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>>523478834
>coming from an American
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>>523477508
>no one worth taking seriously is actually aiming to "abolish the police"
a very important distinction indeed.id be super pissed if the local shops closed down because of certain people that arent worth talking to.its a situation where you are stuck between a rock and a hard place always living under scrutiny due to a loud minority within your own race reinforcing racial sterotypes.
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>>523478670
Matches up with the uptick in white noise propaganda spamming as well.

>>523478849
>>523478883
I have something unrelated but very important to share:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfIEx5It2g
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>>523478822
>Ukraine had a university before Russia existed.
Ukraine, despite having a university, being a shit hole, before Stalin, is not a great defense of Ukraine or universities
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>>523478942
>The uploader has not made this video available in your country
Hans, why would you do this to us
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>>523478090
Cope. Buhanka is the perfect mascot because she triggers gender dysphoria in /uhg/ers.
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>523478779
>uh stalin was actually based
>t. joe from ohio oblast
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>>523479009
>Ukraine, despite having a university, being a shit hole, before Stalin, is not a great defense of Ukraine or universities
Russia was always a bigger shithole than Ukraine
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>>523478961
Imagine being broke this Christmas because you bet on ruzzia lol
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TOTAL 14:1
ZIGGER 14:1
DEATH 14:1
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>>523478849
>Calls people "delusional"
>Bases his whole national identity off a fake genocide, the temu holocaust, called the holodomor
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>>523477701
its very simple.the chinese know the russians better than the current clowns in washington.
rhetorical questions and shit right?
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UKRAINE RETAKING KUPIANSK

HOLY KEK
IT JUST GETS EVEN WORSE FOR ZIGGERS
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>>523478910
He stopped responding to me after I called him out for being a self-hating American. Russians don't react that way. He really is just one of those faggots that roots for "the bad guy".
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>>523478779
>kulaks
>oligarchs
A kulak was literally just a farmer who owned two cows and knew how to read, you absolute midwit.

>gave every Ukrainian a roof
He reinstituted serfdom. They weren't allowed to leave their starving villages without an internal passport until 1974.

>safe retirement
Hard to enjoy a pension when you've been starved to death in a ditch so Moscow could sell your grain to the West.
Tankies are actually this delusional.
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>>523479034
Buhanka is literally cope for using 1960s military vehicles.
>it’s not proof we’re an outdated third world force! It’s cute! Look at this cute anime personification!
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>>523479043
Ukraine was just a degenerate social experiment for anarchists before Stalin and Lenin made their borders.
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i get whaddabout canada instead while canadians aren't being lead like cattle into killzones resulting in demographic issues for zero reason
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>>523478929
Well it's important not to misrepresent because in doing so one would also be contributing to the problem the same way these "haha abolish the police bro" people themselves are doing.
In fact I believe that the people opportunistically and disingenuously mewling about seeing photos of these placards outnumber anyone that actually believes that shit verbatim 1000:1
They don't care about what these people holding these signs that are "DEFUND the police" (not "ABOLISH the police" as you mentioned) actually are talking about
They are intent - just like dishonest corporate media - in clickbait and titillation rather than better compromises and factual information.
That's why I got a little miffed at you.
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>>523474792

I made a thread here where we discuss why russniggers are unable to create a company equivalent to Apple or Walmart

>>523477858
>>523477858
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>>523479254
Good job comrade, now get in the car, we are going to let you die in Ukraine.
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TzD
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>>523479098
>https://files.catbox.moe/0xs432.mp4
>the seventh for the week
kek
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>>523479098
>not even crying
kinda weak, can't really fap to this
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>>523479330
>>523479446
Grim.
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>>523479203
No, the kulaks were oligarchic farmers who horded grain and land from everyone else. They were a parasitical feudal-like landlord class.
>He reinstituted serfdom.
He rightfully eliminated the kulak class; who kept Ukraine under serfdom. Then he used their wealth to make Ukraine a nuclear armed power that went to space.
>Hard to enjoy a pension when you've been starved to death in a ditch so Moscow could sell your grain to the West.
It wasn't the fault of the Soviet Union the kulaks hoarded the grain and burned their crops. If anything, Stalin prevented the famine from getting worse by killing the perpetrators of it.
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>>523475431
Useless when your population is replaced with brown people
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>>523479034
Bukhanka is retarded and so is everything russians do
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>>523479446
and i don't speak russian
but it honestly didn't sound that sad
anyway
>jeets in russia
what could go wrong?
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>>523479011
What a fucking bullshit, this is madness
I bet it's some legalistic idiocy relating to people in Germany paying for that shit and the broadcasting being blocked for some stupid licensing or assigned organizations reason.
FUCK THESE NIGGERS
THEY FORCE ME TO PAY 20 BUCKS EACH MONTH FOR INDEPENDENT MEDIA (WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY A GOOD THING GIVEN HOW RUINOUS A MEDIA LANDSCAPE WITH ONLY CORPORATE MEDIA IS, REGARDLESS OF PROBLEMS THAT DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED) BUT I CAN'T EVEN SHARE IT WITH MY FELLOW SHITPOSTERS ONLINE?
I am actually going to contact these fucks and demand an explanation (calmly)

TLDR: some dude found 7 little piggers without a mama close to a foxhole
They took em and are raising them, can't be rewilded due to legal reasons and thus they are going to be adopted by people with private wild animal enclosures
(the dachshund in the temp caretaker household is also getting along nicely with the 6 surviving (one died from lung issues sadly) piglets)
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>>523479330
they all look underage too
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>>523479506
>kulaks were oligarchic farmers
>hoarded grain
>feudal-like landlord class
The absolute state of tankie education.
The "kulak" definition was so arbitrary it included anyone with two cows or a tin roof.
>be peasant in 1932
>glean a single handful of wheat left behind in the field so your family doesn't starve
>get executed under the Law of Spikelets (August 7, 1932) for "theft of socialist property"
>tankie 90 years later: "YOU WERE HOARDING!"

>Stalin prevented the famine
He exported 1.8 million tonnes of grain to the West in 1932-1933 while 7 million people ate tree bark and their own children. That grain alone would have fed 5 million people for a year.
He didn't "use their wealth to go to space," he sold their lives to buy American factory equipment.
>re-instituted serfdom
Correct. Kolkhozniks weren't issued internal passports or allowed to leave their farms without permission until 1974.
Read a book that isn't Grover Furr, you historical illiterate.
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Zigger
what did Monke meant here >>523477175
> the events the occured in Copeyansk will inevitably be repeated in other key sectors of the front
when
>russian forces being encircled in Copeyansk
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LMAO noone wants pidor AD anymore because its worthless AHAHAHA
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>>523479034
Cope.
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pigger realizes the flesh is weak. Send him back to the front or jail him for desertion
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>>523479670
>rapejeets in the cp capital of the world
it's like jewtin is going for a world record for speed kikery
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>>523479762
Venezuela surely wouldn't mind.
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>>523479763
ayyy happy to be of service
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>>523479734
>The "kulak" definition was so arbitrary it included anyone with two cows or a tin roof
It really wasn't. Everyone knew who the kulaks were because they were flaunt their wealth and their farms would impossible to miss with all the equipment and grain silos
>He exported 1.8 million tonnes of grain to the West in 1932-1933 while 7 million people ate tree bark and their own children
Stalin exported grain because kulaks were burning the crops and killing their livestock. It made no sense to give it to them.
>Correct. Kolkhozniks weren't issued internal passports or allowed to leave their farms without permission until 1974
People chose where they worked in the Soviet Union and most people in Ukraine lived on family farms.
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>Na berlin!
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>>523480087
go post this in here
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>>523479011
A mail has been sent and I will let you know if they reply to me.
Such a state we are at where they get billions of euro every year but region-lock the videos we paid for.
Hrmpf!
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>>523479246
I really really really like this picture
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>>523480250
It's not available here, either, so it's some transmission rights bullshit, no doubt.
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always the overly-emotional capslock, like a jeet at the end of a kitboga video
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>some traders are positioning for further declines as bearish bets on Brent crude reached their highest in seven weeks, according to data released on Friday
Brent is $61, while the dollar is cheap, and it's still not bottomed out.
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>>523480357
"water" is a trigger word for russians, please refrain from using it unless you're an ukronazi
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>>523480183
I have an even better idea: >>523480477
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Baking soon
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>>523480379
What fucking bullshit
It's like they want to be ineffective and irrelevant while ruining trust in democracy and limitations to private corporate through accountable public institutions and government
You may not see it right now but I am seeething
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>>523480065
>flaunt their wealth
>silos
>family farms
You are hallucinating a version of history that even the NKVD didn't believe.

>Stalin exported grain because kulaks were burning the crops
Think for two seconds. If the "kulaks" burned all the crops, what exactly was Stalin exporting?
You just admitted the State seized the grain that did exist and sold it abroad while the people who grew it starved. You literally just described the crime.

>it made no sense to give it to them
"It made no sense to let farmers eat the food they grew."
Absolute psychos.

>People chose where they worked
>most people in Ukraine lived on family farms
Lmao, collectivization abolished family farms you mongoloid. That was the whole point.
Decree of the Central Executive Committee (Dec 27, 1932): Established the internal passport system.
Point 11: Explicitly excludes rural citizens (kolkhozniks) from receiving passports.
Without a passport, they could not legally live in cities or be hired for industrial jobs. They were legally bound to the Kolkhoz.
That is the definition of serfdom. Cope harder.
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>Zelensky is a "jinx", the situation in Kupiansk has reversed again after his visit. - Suriyakmaps

Every single time. LOOOOOOOOOOL.
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>>523479286
"some" really doesnt really quantify it properly with that context in mind but I couldnt be bothered to explain everything in detail.sometimes I forgot that people cant follow me when I dont specify hard enough.
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>>523480650
oh no no no Suriyak coping lmao
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>>523480650
Kherson - retaken
Kyiv - retaken
Washington DC - retaken
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>>523480734
>split thread again
well damn
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>>523480796
tbf he did call it
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>>523480966
He did? I didn't see it
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>>523480590
>You are hallucinating a version of history that even the NKVD didn't believe.
You're crafting CIA narratives not even you believe.
>Think for two seconds. If the "kulaks" burned all the crops, what exactly was Stalin exporting?
The USSR was exporting grain even before the famine happened so how did cause a famine? It was something they did because they were under embargo, by the United States, and didn't have any ability to trade anything but commodities. Stalin exporting grain didn't cause the crisis. It only happened when the kulaks started burning their crops and killing all the livestock.
>Lmao, collectivization abolished family farms you mongoloid. That was the whole point.
No they didn't. The farms allowed people to have private plots. Why even lie about something that's even in the Soviet Constitution?
You clearly haven't read anything about the Soviet Union. We can tell. You even got basic facts wrong.
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>>523481072
Nice commie drivel, but nobody except your tranny buddies from /leftypol/, believes that shit
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>>523480498
SHLORP SHLORP SHLORP
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>>523481108
Thanks for the input CIA
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>>523480650
>Suriyakmaps
isnt this guy a brown half russian famous for his copes?
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>>523481151
You are unironically calling people "kulaks". You already lost.
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>>523481191
You are CIA.
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>>523481348
Go back to /leftypol/, tranny
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>>523481378
>UR from LEFTYPOL
How's the weather in Langley today
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TZD
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pippa pootie poot
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pootie want banan
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pootie why worry poot
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the beauty of lady pootie poot
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>>523482997
heard this adorable old lady is into buddhism, and decided to adopt 1 million followers of the buddha in her backyard
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>Losses from attrition can be recovered, land lost cannot
Are you serious vodkabro? Is this really how you view human life? Besides, losses from attrition cannot be recovered in a sub-replacement demographic situation. Surely you understand this.
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>>523482624
pay gorn with him when?
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>>523476264
they are preparing martial law in order to mass mobilize. I will say it again: they are planning to invade European NATO in 2027 or 2028
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cube pootie
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>>523477317
Is that the Hungarian flag
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arrows
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pootie painting
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>>523483799
LETS GOOOOOOOOO

>Red arrows — directions of attack UAV movements;

>Blue arrows — directions of jet-powered UAV movements;

>Green arrows — directions of cruise missile movements;
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>>523477701
Australia follows international conventions and other official and legal stuff
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TZD



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