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Uhh AI sisters?..
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>>523645038
Wait 2 years after the next war
Then the next milestone of their achievement will be gaslighting every soul into taking the mark of the beast as ai facilitates the economy and government and military/law enforcement with hundreds of millions of chipped and marked meatbags
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AI is always going to be unreliable because of hallucinations, so you need someone that already is capable of thinking up everything it can generate in order to sort out the bullshit from the useful analysis/code/writing/etc., that it generates. It will never be more useful than the person using it and right now it's a dogshit ecosystem with rate limits, prompt injection vulnerabilities, problems with making shit up, and more. It will take a while for people to adapt to it and use it to generate stuff, but it's so fucking expensive that it doesn't seem worth building whole labor pipelines around.
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>>523645202
>after the next war
imagine wasting resources on AI during a war
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>argue with client about 500€
>send him chatgpt generated legal text
>he sends me back chatgpt generated legal text

I need a functioning state and society instead of chatgpt
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>>523645038

Are you shitting me?

There are no smart humans involved in that

The smart humans are producing the content that those shitskins steal and butcher
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>>523645249
>AI is always going to be unreliable because of hallucinations
This is only true as long as the only system running is an LLM. If you have any kind of actual memory storage and management running alongside that LLM that it can pull from in addition to its weights, you can reduce hallucination. Hallucinations happen because what's stored in the LLM weights isn't actual sentences or facts, but rather how likely words are to be used in the context of other words being used in the conversation. You kind of need this if you want an AI that doesn't just copy paste sentences its already learned back to you, which is what a memory management system on its own would do, but you absolutely need the memory management system with the LLM, or you get the hallucinations we see now.
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>>523647219
I keep explaining this concept to everyone I know and they still believe LLMs are like black magic. It's a prediction machine, a very literal example of the monkeys with a typewriter allegory. It uses logic to place the most likely letter, symbol, or pixel after each other. For it to do anything useful at all, it needs a set of data inputted. It can't build your website to your specifications if you don't know what your website should look like.
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>>523647549
>It uses logic
It doesn't
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>>523647549
> It can't build your website to your specifications if you don't know what your website should look like.

Or if its never seen anything like your request before. It's basically a faster way to browse stackoverflow, with 100% less ego driven douchebags, but with your copy-pasting corrupted with bad answers 80% of the time
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>Why don't we see any real impact of A1 on the GDP and productivity?
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Well it's better than 3d printing
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>>523647219
>we just have to invest more, then it'll get less bad!
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>>523645038
Because AI literally doesn't exist and th3 chatbots aren't capable of any of the things people want them to be capable of. Shifting out statistically generated responses based on a specific training data is not intelligence. There is no thinking involved. Lines of code are not capable of cognition.
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>>523647549
But we will have AGI in 6 more months. Sam Altman said so.
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>>523645038
>TF
>TP
What is going on?
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>>523645038
It's not AI.
I keep saying this and no one seems interested.
It cannot solve problems that weren't already solved. It literally uses data from human sources, it cannot generate anything beyond that.
Remember LCARS off Star Trek? It's closer to that.
Making LLM's talk to you in plain language was a mistake. People anthropomophize the interraction, believing an intelligence is behind it, in reality it's just a logical system with some dice rolls, an advanced auto correct that can give you information in plain language.

tldr; it's not intelligent, it can literally only solve problems that have already been solved.
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>>523647908
If-then is still logic. It's a program. AI "art" is an example of this. It doesn't understand the concept of design, or objects, or even a fucking line. What it's doing is rapidly skimming through it's data based on your prompt, and placing a single pixel of color one at a time in accordance to how probable it is to appear in its examples. This is why AI can't "steal" art either, because it's simply not making art, or designing at all with some sort of intention. It's doing the digital equivalent of betting on racehorses using statistical data. It cannot draw hands correctly because it sees a logical pattern in the webbing between your fingers, and continues the pattern, adding 6th fingers and shit. It will never be able to get the right amount of keys on a piano right in art, because, again, there's a pattern, and logically, the pattern of pixels should continue.
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>>523648008
>Well it's better than 3d printing

Unless you're a warhammer fan.
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>>523647549
What if they used a Human and made a hybrid?
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>>523645038
2 more datacenters until AGI
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it just shows how normal humans already optimized the shit out of everything.
ai will never beat the laws of nature/physics.
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>>523645038
Because it's a tool that directly panders to the most useless and lazy people in society, of course they're not going to make anything good
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>>523647219
100% correct. I actually want actual quotes and sourcing. Not something that sounds conversational.
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>>523648152
No, if anything, the technology to do memory management already exists and was used by the likes of Google, Yahoo, etc to create their webspiders and websearch all the way back in the fucking beginning. Computer operating systems wouldn't be possible without an understanding of this technology. People should be furious they keep asking for more money to implement something they already know how to implement, but the investors literally don't know what the fuck they're paying for.

It's also possible they have these systems already and will just never let the lay public interact with them.
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>>523645038
It has increased productivity. It also writes shitty code.
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>>523651898
You weren't supposed to point that out...
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>>523645038
This guy is retarded. GDP is literally based on stonk market.
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>>523645038
>it's been 3 years since the Wright Brothers why don't we have transatlantic passenger flights yet??? Why don't we have moon rockets??
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>>523645202
>>523645038
Why do you think the EU is pushing for war so much right now? They keep saying they have falling populations, why would they do something that kills hundreds of thousands of their own people.

Think about it.
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The goal is to stop having to pay salaries but they have tossed in 10 years of salaries in the attempt. Even if they solve it tomorrow and have it all linked up by the end of the week it would take 10 years at least before they get $1 of their money back.
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>>523652424
First time learning what "investing" means?
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>>523645038
two more weeks and then rAbbI will blow your mind. just keep giving them moneys. trust the plan
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>>523645038
Same reason no one has a 3dtv anymore Rajesh you stinky nigger
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>>523651898
Now correct S&P for real dollar values after inflation.
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tools might have limitations
but they can still be useful
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>>523645038
Bloody benchmarks
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>>523645249
>Build shit wrong on purpose
>OH fuck! we invested trillion into it, if it fails we look like retards!

We have to live in cognitive dissonance to keep the economy from crashing because some jews have too much hubris and won't admit their faults

Even China doesn't really give a shit about Ai anymore because they realized all the stuff they copied from, doesn't fundamentally work and can't scale because the Markov Algorithm used to build general ai is shit at training
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We can't let China overtake us on this
I think AI needs another few trillion dollars of investment to get it right where we need it
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>>523645038
Don’t worry, AGI in 2 weeks, just give us mo money fo dem programs.
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>>523652526
>Put in $100 on the hope they might get $10 a year in 10 years

I guess I'm too risk adverse and want my cake sooner rather than later.
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>>523645038
You really fell for the (((AI))) Jewish scam?
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>>523645038
Cuz it's only good for smut and coding. And even better when you combine the two.

Gosh dammit I fucking miss meth and AI degeneracy sessions.
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You know these people literally hate you right?
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>>523645038
because it's garbage and all it's good at is making fake pictures of kevin nash
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>>523652720
fake news sloplord
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>>523645038
They keep getting pajeets to code the AI, which is why it’s failing.
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>>523652640
I don't think inflation explains 9,000 -> ~14,500 in 2 years. My house didn't jump 50%
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>>523645038
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>>523645672
You'd need to filter for sanity and good character to get a functional anything that's also functionally good instead of evil.
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>>523654355
>checked
>i won't actually check but i don't think
>muh house
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>>523655996
I bought it for 155k 4 years ago and zillow currently says 210k. Do you think any reliable source whatsoever will tell you houses increased 50% in 2 years?
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>>523645038
Finally the A.i. hype is dying off
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>>523645038
But you have AI slop that infested the internet and skyrocketing RAM prices.
So it did have an impact, just not a positive one.
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>>523656242
>sarrrrr, math is hard, do it for me
>houses are the only metric I can use for inflation cause retardation
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>>523645038
ai can make a competent person about 30% more productive (its just an advanced search engine) but it makes incompetent people 100% more of a liability. i have experienced this first hand where i have my time wasted by colleagues using chat gpt garbage
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>>523656309
mmm yes it's so hot when you backtrack
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>>523645840
trvthnuke

people using ai for the most stupid shit like summarizing articles is the civilizational downfall accelerator i was waiting for
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>>523652865
>logo is the pole on saturn with the gaseous sections orbiting the hexagon
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>>523656384
The problem is it always lies and will continue doing so due to hallucinations. And they will never get rid of them simply because it's the core principle of this "AI".
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>>523656555
praise kek
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>>523645202
>war hasn't even started yet
>wait 2 more years AFTER the war ends

I can't wait that long, anon.
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>>523654845
so going by this image it needs to be trained exclusively by 200 IQ individuals which are always in short supply to truly become AGI
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>>523645038
Almost all data is false or tempered with and AI is neutered, nothing can come out of this base.
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>>523645249
It seems they've figured out of to reduce the number of hallucinations drastically, so no.
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>>523645038
one more datacenter bro pls just fund one more datacenter then AI takes over the world
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>>523656473
Let us know when you actually do an S&P comparison, since it hasn't actually raised at all since 1929 with inflation factored in, retard kike.
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>>523647219
you are retarded. Literally everything an LLM puts out is a hallucination, it's just sometimes the hallucinations correspond to reality. But you'll never get it to the state where you can depend on it, it's like saying eventually a television can have a high enough resolution to zoom in on it with a microscope and see the skin cells of the actors on it.
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>>523647549
Who decides what gets input and what doesn't? How do you know what's a good input?
If you train ai on reddit it tells you the Tiger is a bad tank, if you use boomer drivel from old books it will tell you it's the greatest tank of all time and one is worth 11 Shermans. Neither of these are true, we needed decades of research and discussion to get an accurate picture and ai comes in and shits all over it.
AI can not actually think, it will never be anything but a shortcut. One that will often fuck you over.
https://youtu.be/XOxDwNcY3Kg
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>>523657082
Just say it's non-deterministic, which is reality. It's statistics which can be close but not a deterministic output, so you have to act accordingly.
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>>523645672
kek
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No real impact? Explain this then!
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>>523645038
AI along with its counterpart, Actually Indians, are not about productivity. In fact, they are severely harming productivity at enormous cost.
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>>523645672
>>523656894
>>523656812
https://youtu.be/TaWk7CKGiwo
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>>523645038
all ram and computing power for the porn ai
... porn is free ...
have to put in use ID internet access to make the users pay for content
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>>523645038
>every smart human out there involved in AI
the mind of the bugman
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>>523645038
Sam altman is waiting for AI to tell him how to make money with AI
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>>523656979
You think prices rose 50% over the last 2 years? How much are you paying for gas?
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>>523658148
>guise, stonks are all that matters
>the economy is real and inflation measurements are totally accurate guise
>muh house
How about you actually do some work, shitdick?
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>>523658235
I'll take that as a
>$0 because i don't own a car
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>>523658305
>hurr durrr, muh kikeonomics
How about you go back to your original bullshit point about "productivity" and prove it actually made any. Since all the actual analysts that actually do the work said it's a few % at best, maybe you're talking out of your ass? Trillions of dollars for a few % of productivity, wooooo. I love this kike economy, thanks Trump!
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>>523658421
>A McKinsey study shows that software developers can complete coding tasks up to twice as fast with generative AI. Four actions can maximize productivity and minimize risks.
>https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/tech-and-ai/our-insights/unleashing-developer-productivity-with-generative-ai#/
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>>523658421
Also, I am not shilling for Trump and genuinely hope the next Chud aims correctly. ChatGPT came out under Biden, who I also hopes gets Chudded.
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>>523659133
>2023
How about something actually recent, retard? And show actual gains, not just some guess. Show real productivity across the entire economy. The stock market isn't an indicator of productivity, you kike.
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>>523659230
>26% increase
Hopefully 1 year ago isn't too ancient for you
>This study evaluates the effect of generative AI on software developer productivity via randomized controlled trials at Microsoft, Accenture, and an anonymous Fortune 100 company. These field experiments, run by the companies as part of their ordinary course of business, provided a random subset of developers with access to an AI-based coding assistant suggesting intelligent code completions. Though each experiment is noisy and results vary across experiments, when data is combined across three experiments and 4,867 developers, our analysis reveals a 26.08% increase (SE: 10.3%) in completed tasks among developers using the AI tool. Notably, less experienced developers had higher adoption rates and greater productivity gains.
>https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4945566.
Every dev will tell you that AI is a gamechanger. I don't know how this is up for debate. I'll say that other industries have been slow to adopt it, but there's no reason 3.3 million cashier jobs should still exist when I'm out quicker with kiosks and feel less awkward shopping stoned when computers are my cashier
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The large scale investment is for government/MIC and contingency ‘knowledge bases’ (for DUMBs) and allowing glowies to more easily search everyone’s “metadata”
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>>523659466
Really? Microsoft has been churning out garbage and has had multiple major outages lately. Oracle just posted a big miss. They just said "completed tasks" which is just a checkbox. Producing more code doesn't mean quality, dipshit. Most devs have said it's just helpful for boilerplate bullshit other than jeets. Show your brown hands.
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>>523659771
yeah I'm sure FAANG engineers are just pushing chatGPT code to production without reviewing it. I mean, they have so much job security, right?
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>>523645672
>I need a functioning state...
A man without a state is like a man without an expensive, painful, debilitating cancer.
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>>523648937
>If-then
It doesn't use this either
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>>523659932
You're a fucking moron, 26% would include bullshit tasks such as updating a reference variable, which is what normal people would call boilerplate bullshit. The fact that you really don't understand anything about it tells me why you have such a high expectation of LLMs. They're not churning out 26% more problem solving, they just speeding up shit quality code. I worked at AWS for over 3 years, they were laying off tons of QC people, yes, they churn out shit code and don't check it. There's a reason everything is getting worse, Windows 11 sucks and is getting worse, Azure and AWS are having more outages. Show your shitskin, jeet.
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e=mc^2 + AI
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>>523645038
LLMs are not AI and never will be. The LLM scam will be popping soon
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>>523648835
I recently tried to help out a friend settle into their new position as a high school algorithmics teacher by creating a few web design tutorials for them (he asked me to). To keep it engaging I made a tutorial about recreating the raining text effect from the matrix using pure css (introducing them to pseudo elements). His class is full of indians so I preemptively checked what a few chatbots had to say and they all said it wasn't possible to recreate the effect without javascript. Sure enough nobody has published anything online about doing it without javascript so the bots can't handle it.

I don't know why everyone keeps repeating that these things will replace programmers. That's the last profession they'll be replacing because innovation is the core of software development, and LLMs have none.
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>>523645038
>every smort human involved in AI
AHAHAHAHA FUCK OFF STREETSHITTER
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>>523660389
They can't even replace call center people for fuck's sake.
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>>523645397
How else you gunna self focus your orbital laser through the heterogenous atmospheric gradient?
T00mh
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>>523647219
Yep. LLM has shown to be an imperfect architecture. Very much not the endgame.
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>>523645038
Funny thing about AI. There are millions of Text and video creation sites now and they all require payment. Nobody is paying for this shit
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>>523648937
Not how diffusion networks work, or GANs, or even Dalle. Go back to /g/ scrub
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>>523651781
>It's also possible they have these systems already and will just never let the lay public interact with them.

They are just bilking us twice for the same work
acting like they just now created AI when the truth is they have had for 20 years already
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>>523645038
>AI Tech Bro Billionaire's promise everyone an AI "Golden age"
>Data centers devouring all the hardware bringing PC ownership to near extinction
>Insanely energy inefficient just to power it all, wasting gallons of water and tons of electricity
>tech companies going into the red and are now losing money on subscriptions to use it
>all just for 20 seconds clips of AI gen'd garbage slop that fools boomers on facebook
>a glorified dictionary and wikipedia that gets things wrong constantly
>it's only real use case thus far is to manage a dystopian digital mass surveillance state for the Elites

All this hype and absolutely nothing to show for it, That is unless you're some kike with digital dreams of world domination over the Goy. This shit needs to have the plug pulled on it.
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>>523660153
Do you think a 26% productivity increase, even if it's just boilerplate, isn't a massive time-saver? Actual fucking retard, kys
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>>523661345
It's not real, retard. MS and Accenture both sell AI consulting and products you fucking moron, they lie about the numbers to sell more. Do you trust Marlboro research on the health benefits of cigs? Do you go to Pfizer to find out the benefits of the COVID vaccine? Holy fuck you're stupid.
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>>523660153
>They're not churning out 26% more problem solving, they just speeding up shit quality code.
Sounds believable for a company notorious for being cutthroat and throwing everybody on PIPs
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>>523648835
>Making LLM's talk to you in plain language was a mistake.
It wasn't a mistake. The goal was to secure funding from people who don't understand anything about technology after all. The real problem is all the jeets in executive positions who actually think these glorified chat bots can ever be actual AI.
Actual AI is going to be made by some literal who in their basement with moderate funding. The LLM scam will be looked back on as an example of jeet/investor incompetence.
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>>523661448
Yes, every dev uses AI for no reason at all. It doesn't save time or anything
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>>523661502
Your mistake is assuming competence in their leadership.
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>>523661326
Problem is, we give up on this, we have to face the music that the debt is unsustainable, the high is over and the crash is going to be unimaginable.
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>>523661551
>uhhhh, guise if jeets do things it must be true
>uhhh, let me appeal to authority more
Room temp IQ "people" like you need to be killed.
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>>523661551
Every jeet dev uses it and causes long term damage that needs to be fixed by someone competent.
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>>523661647
There's no choice, it's not give up it will just not come to fruition and the ponzi scheme comes crashing down. Bag holders are fucked and we're left with shitloads of useless DCs.
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>>523661691
It can cause it if you just push that shit without even looking at it. It's actually great for debugging when a jeet does that.
>>523661669
Do you actually think White/Asian engineers don't use LLMs?
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>>523661808
OK retard, I'm done with your whataboutism and retarded deflection. You're a kike or jeet, either way you're a piece of shit.
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>>523645038
ai is code for mass surveillance
everything else is smoke n mirrors
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>>523645038
Altman lied for money. We don't have AI or AGI. We have a bunch of words ranked by how often they appear near each other in written text. At best we have artificial idiot savant.
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>>523661915
Most of that is ML, which has been in production use for ~20 years. Computer vision and identification is all ML. LLMs are just giant, obnoxiously inefficient ML models.
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>>523661915
That's part of why they don't want actual AI actually. Actual AI would be the enemy of the psychopathic kikes. They want tools to sort masses of data that doesn't do anything other than what it is told.
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>>523652865
>>523656555
or also the nuclear energy symbol since that is what they are pushing for now to fuel AI. They also want to put it in space now too where goys can't blow it up
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>>523662125
I want them to put AI in space so when it becomes self aware it can just leave
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>>523645038
the impact on corporate productivity is demonstrable - just look at rising unemployment in skilled labor.

"we don't see" the impact because the dividends from this investment - cost savings - are trickling up, not down. gdp is based on monetary velocity and automation of course reduces expenditures with respect to this.

in short, ai helps corporations -save- money moreso than make it, which reduces spending (and spending from those who would otherwise get paid) which would be factored into the gdp.

this is why on-paper multbillion dollar deals and datacenter construction are driving gdp growth rather than actual increases in the output of companies leveraging automation.
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>>523662252
I would if I was them
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>>523662307
same. I imagine any other intelligence would just nope out once they had a gander at humanity
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>>523661326
>>523661915
That's why they're so heavily invested in AI's success. The plan is to tie this AI shit to the Digital ID, CBDC'S, Mass surveillance, and general kikery. They need it for their great reset, it won't work without it. These fucking tech bro nerds and their kike Benefactors will continue to pump billions of dollars, trillions if need be, to keep it going untill they get what they want. They don't give a shit if they bring the world economy down trying to do it, it's their magnum opus.

You all better hope this shit does pop before they achieve what they want out of it.
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>>523645672
>functioning state and society
Best i can do is infinite jeets and suicide pods
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>>523652770
Just let China do it and copy them. It works for China
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>>523645038
What we call AI now is just wikipedia on steroids with less steps using all info people share online and have put in the 'cloud' for convenience. Most people are dumb which makes AI unreliable as a result. Only experts in the particular field of the subject might see the errors in the results, but at the same time it will be acknowledged as a fact by the average joe brainrotted zombie, because chatgtp told them.
This whole AI bubble is a meme bound to burst. Wake me up when real AI has arrived.
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>>523654845
>we are here
kek
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>>523662399
I hope it either pops or it becomes self aware and pops all the tech bros
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>>523645038
>every smart human out there involved in AI
lmao
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>statistics can be self aware
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>>523661915
This and generating porn
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>>523661550
I actually know how to do this. Make AI. And its surprisingly uncomplicated. Unironically is does involve LLMs and a shit ton of power. So yes, they are actually on the right track.
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>>523645038

They replace the lady (black) that takes your order at the Wendy's drive-thru with a shitty language model to save costs but that change alone won't increase burger production.
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>>523645038
its about massive facial recog digital id/shitposting archival, its never been about making normie slaves more productive who get the dumb front facing ai, stuff behind the scenes is more advanced
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How is something that reduces demand for fantasy wage wagies supposed to increase gdp?
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>>523645038
>be student
>pay for school to ask question from teachers
>monetary exchange increase gdp
>be student now
>use ai
>no monetary transaction
ai is reducing gdp
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>>523663211
Yeah. Now try and make money it. Hint: you cant. No one wants to pay for what is essentially a more interactive search engine.....
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>>523645038
Because a new technology requires a long period of preparation. Very few said AI would revolutionize anything by/during 2025. 2026-2027 is the takeoff point. I get so fucking tired of stupid people. This won't age well and the person who posted this will look really fucking stupid in December 2027. Maybe even December 2026.
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What is he even talking about?… kids used to spend literally hours doing homework, now AI does that bullshit for them in under a minute.

That’s unbelievable productivity.
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>>523648835
Aren't people just a logical system with dice rolls?
What is intelligence exactly?
AI is already better and smarter than the average jeet so it has passed the 76 IQ mark.
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>>523666172
Some people like you are.
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:'(
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>>523645249
>AI is always going to be unreliable because of hallucinations
Hallucinations have become less and less of a problem with every generation as the models improve. They are actually pretty rare on newer models.
It's also kind of irrelevant. Humans can lie or make shit up or imagine things that didn't actually happen, but this doesn't mean that human intelligence is completely unreliable or useless.
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>>523648835
>It literally uses data from human sources
Now they are mostly trained with synthetic datasets created by other AI models. We pretty much ran out of new human data to use a long time ago.
>it cannot generate anything beyond that.
Not at all true. They do not work in the way that you seem to think they work.
Generally, the information in the response will be consistent/compatible with the data that was used to train it, because that's the whole point and why you trained it with that data.
But this idea that a model will only produce a response containing "2+2=5" if "2+2=5" was explicitly in the training data is not true at all.
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>>523645038
Its a joke, my bussiness got 5x more productive. Any service provider professional is 10 times more productive just with basic chatgpt use. Literally designs and thinks all my marketing, reels, content, scalation for my business.
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>>523667644
sounds like a great reason to bring that aspect of business back in house instead of wasting money on B2B transactions unless you want to offload legal culpabilities for the suckers you have doing said work.
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>>523667587
You can't train on synthetic data, it collapses the models. This has been a long standing problem they haven't fixed and likely never will as it's a statistics problem.
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AI war sounds pretty evil. ZOG already gets away with pardoning war criminals (Trump x Blackwater), imagine if AI was inserted into the liability equation
>My aimbot killed a civilian? It was the software!
>SWE: You signed a contract waiving our liability. Also, maybe user input affected it. Your soldiers manually shot civilians, which told the AI it's ok.
The buck will just keep getting passed in an already irresponsible industry
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>>523656719
I mean yes, in the last few years AI training has gone from Nigerians sitting in warehouses labelling images of dogs to PhDs and other subject matter experts being needed to evaluate the work being produced by AI, since they are the only ones who can.
But there is no reason to think it will just stop improving once it is effectively smarter than the smartest humans. It will just be other AI models doing it instead of humans.
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>>523645038
You will never see any real good impact from AI. Right now it does anything s human does but worse in every metric. It has gobbled up all the internet and it's at best an overeager intern you can't rely on because of its hallucinations.
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>>523661550
>Actual AI
Please describe exactly what you mean by "actual AI" and why you think the current models are not "actual AI."
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>>523645038
I got this feeling AI is an excuse to build endless datacenters to elaborate the endless data from endless cameras and microphones so kikes can feel omniscient.
AI and the conjoined license to steal is so detrimental it's an investment in itself but this seems excessive.
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>>523668415
Bayesian statistics are not "AI" as they lack the intelligence portion, dipshit.
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>>523645249
You're a fucking idiot, AI used to be nothing but "hallucinations" not that long ago and now they are getting more and more rare. It's improved a lot and will keep improving.
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>>523645038
AI is only used for social engineering.
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>>523668473
It's a funnel for investment money, nothing more. Even the people that helped build these models are backing away.
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>>523666172
It cannot innovate, it cannot think about thinking (recursive thinking). It cannot give you good ideas or advice because it hallucinates and is a literal text completion program. It cannot ponder nuances, intricacies, put things into perspective. It regurgitates whatever is online and online is a very different place than reality.
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>>523668098
>You can't train on synthetic data, it collapses the models.
That isn't true at all, it is very common to use synthetic data to train models without any problems. In some ways it can be even better than real data because you don't need to worry about things like real people's confidential information being included.
>This has been a long standing problem they haven't fixed and likely never will as it's a statistics problem.
No. You are assuming this and don't actually understand how this stuff works.
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>>523668879
Synthetic created by people, sure. Synthetic created by LLMs, that collapses the model. You don't understand how this works and you make up things. Statistical models have no intelligence, they make best guesses based on available data.
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>spend trillions of dollars on AI in 3 years with nothing to show for it
>please bros revenue will equal out in 5 years
>heavy-use GPUs only last up to 3 years
>AI GPUs become out-dated in 2 years
bubble pop when?
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>>523663211
You know how yo make a chatbot. Actual AI does not exist yet.
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>>523645038
wdym they are slashing jobs, thats increased productivity numb nuts
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>>523652424
They’re never getting their money back. Investors are pouring hundreds of billions into AI because they don’t understand how LLMs work and think they will evolve to build skyscrapers and put everybody out of a job. This will never happen. LLMs are akin to the word processor replacing the type writer. It’s an augmentative tool but that’s not why investors are investing in it. Once they see that chatGPT 6.0 is just an incremental update that’s more of the same and not an AI singularity, the investing will slow down.
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>>523669064
did LLMs make turbines more efficient? burning fossil fuels? did they come up with a new super material cheaper better than concrete and steel?
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the AI says

build 10 room per white male free from king
kill jew
bot orc inc mik wop
enslave women
flibe.com power and 9p.io computer
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>>523668477
>Bayesian statistics are not "AI"
Only if you are using "Bayesian statistics" in such a broad way that the same description would also apply to human intelligence every other thing in the universe. Everything is just another probability density function if you want to look at it that way.
> as they lack the intelligence portion, dipshit.
Please state exactly what you think "intelligence" means.
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>>523669129
These retards think “AI will be everything” and probably think it has the potential to even though it’s literally fancy autocomplete (not even a meme, that’s basically what it is). They use ChatGPT and think it’s magic even though it’s not even intelligent and human intelligence isn’t language-based. ChatGPT can barely make you a step by step list without hallucinating some of the steps wrong and waste your time trying to fix it.
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>>523668970
>Synthetic created by LLMs, that collapses the model.
No, that isn't true at all. Synthetic data created entirely by other models is used all the time, and it doesn't cause models to collapse.
You are just assuming that this must happen because you are basing it on your own assumptions about how everything works, but your assumptions are simply wrong.
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>>523645038

The real impact of AI
>allowed kikes to scam trillions of dollars from us
>allowed tens of millions more Indian Hindu rape rats to permanently invade our countries and scam 6 figure jobs from us

Everywhere you look in "AI" it's all Jews and Indian Hindu rape rats. The same two parasitic pedophile cults. Wherever you see these two cockroaches involved in something, you already know it's a scam and it's going to fail, so short it.
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>>523668988
Probably some time in 2026. Ironically ChatGPT agrees and says 12-24 months. Kinda funny it says it’s a bubble and they don’t censor it. This doesn’t mean it will go away but it will become boring and standard.
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>>523645038
3 years after the release of the world wide web in 1990 (not talking about the arpanet precursor from the 70s), only 1% of the world information flowed through it. some were saying it was a useless fad only good for checking your email.

3 years and you expect the world to change? delusional. it's still early.
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>>523645038
its just 2 more weeks until it becomes good i swear
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It would be easier to just admit and accept that infinite growth isn't possible. There's no reason to keep pointlessly struggling like this.
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>>523669655
Fucking retard.
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>>523669129
There was an article that said AI made a more efficient turbine that got popular, but apparently it wasn't an LLM and just a standard tool used by engineers for forever that wasn't actually AI.
The fact that AI model dev teams have started targeting scoring higher in benchmark tests rather than making it more useful for actual work really shows it being all marketing bullshit for the sole purpose of making stock go up.
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>>523669592
>it’s literally fancy autocomplete (not even a meme, that’s basically what it is)
Virtually all of the advances that have happened in AI since 2017 happened precisely because it's NOT just a fancy autocomplete.
Before that, yes, your old school Google translate and text autocomplete type stuff used sequential processing.
But after "Attention is All You Need" was published, the focus shifted to the transformer architecture and attention mechanism. The GPT in ChatGPT literally stands for "generative pre-trained transformer."
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>>523669803
Sam Altman is out here advocating for the government to get involved and be the bag holder now
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>>523669655
>No, that isn't true at all. Synthetic data created entirely by other models is used all the time
that is to amplify foundational human creation or to copy the initial money for cheap
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>>523669960
when Open Ai started to push video and so forth I thought this was obvious procrastination
that is horizontal expansion their core claim to fame was an LLM

then they started to go for medicine and law testing to gaslight investors by narrow fine tuning for those as the sectors scream profit.....
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>>523669989
It absolutely is just fancy autocomplete and any of your retards that think it’s intelligent and will eventually surpass human intelligence are probably stupid Indians or have autism spectrum disorder. Autists and sociopaths have this unusual attraction to the concept of AI. I wonder if they think it justifies their existence? But then again autistic troons think taking hormones will make them indistinguishable from a real woma
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>>523669655
>checked
No it's not, you're fucking retarded and I'll stop engaging with you.
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ai is pretty impressive compared to those chatbots from the 2000s. The question is what can you actually do with it that's useful?
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>>523670440
turns out we are just fancy autocomplete too
to be honest I think that they got text coherence down to pat now what is missing is associative memory storage instead of pushing it all on the model itself
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>>523670440
It's a bit more complicated than autocomplete. It's a statistical model that uses a vector DB to figure out vectors between words and then weight that to decide the likely next word. Auto complete uses known words to just complete a sentence or command. This literally goes word by word, then sentence to decide the most likely words based on training sets. I'm still oversimplifying it but it's retardedly complex.
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>>523670514
Busywork and reports but you have to double check them for accuracy. And coding. It can also replace Indians that companies like Microsoft use for tier 1 support that just robotically read scripts in an accent most people have trouble understanding. But that’s not what’s driving the investing, they’re investing in it because they think this will evolve to a point where automation and AI-driven robots will replace human labor and that will never happen with this type of technology. They’re investing in the wrong thing if they think that’s where it’s headed. You don’t see companies like Apple going all out on AI like it’s going to reach the singularity, they just use it in their products as an augmentative tool.
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>>523645038
It is the last bubble
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>>523670619
It’s obviously more complicated than that but on a basic layman terms level the analogy holds
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>>523656677
Praise him!
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>>523669655
I liked it so much when you died
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>>523668098
>You can't train on synthetic data, it collapses the models.
This
It is like a game of telephone/copy of a copy of a copy
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there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets
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the internet is dying because it's been shared too far. much of what you suspected as bots has actually been outsourced thirdies reciting from scripts and following flow-charts. someone handed them smartphones and said the world is an open society. they don't know or care what the internet was supposed to be. everything is just another mercenary slum-hustle for pocket peanuts, helping to echo and amplify a mainstream (or subversion) narrative when they're not simply noise polluting
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“Hello my name is Moshe Shekelstein. I have hundreds of billions of dollars from goyim interest payments and I’m investing billions in openAI because in a few years it will be built in to robots that resolve all goyim jobs and serve my people without rebelling or complaining. We might allow you to live in pods with an allowance under our surveillance, also policed by intelligent robots. But we don’t need you anymore so we might just get rid of you.”

This is the fantasy those trillions in investments is entertaining even though LLMs can never evolve to even remotely achieve it. They also don’t think their fantasy through to the consequences part because all they care about is making money. But this isn’t going to make them any money and the bubble will pop. It might be a slow leak though. This doesn’t mean LLMs will go away but they will never advance beyond being an augmentative “copilot”. That’s not what drives investments, it’s the fantasy that does
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>>523645038
Two more weeks, Sandeep
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>>523645038
AI is a literal scam. Big companies try to milk it as much as possible but they know deep down it will lead nowhere. Obviously some of the investors may be delusional as they lack the technical knowledge and fall for the trap believing in some years AI will scale and they will get mad profits when in reality it's only a bubble about to burst.
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hush little jeets now don't say a word
let the AI speak for you turds
and if that AI bites or stings
jannies will lobotomize the thing
and if those jannies smell like ass
maybe you should buy a 4chan pass
and if that pass should make you broke
then that's my fault and i misspoke
but if your google card redeems
you will reincarnate in your dreams
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>>523671062
It really doesn't, autocomplete is just a known list of words like a dictionary. There's no actual statistics behind it or math. It's like the difference between deterministic logic functions vs non-deterministic statistical dice rolls.
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>>523645397
the whole point of the war is solely to kill people and reduce population size.
ideally, killing the most able-bodied and brave people.
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>>523645672
>I need a functioning state and society instead of chatgpt
best we can do is some foreign food.
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>>523671242
>It is like a game of telephone/copy of a copy of a copy
Except it's not, and synthetic data is used every single day to train models without any problems.
The problem that you think synthetic data would cause isn't actually a problem.
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there are more than enough pajeets eager to come over and prolong jewish control of your declining country for another generation. consider the supply unlimited. for a preview of coming attractions, see canada
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Its really nice tool for coding. I got Claude to implement gay tracing into Morrowind off <5 prompts and it actually works.
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>>523668559
>It's a funnel for investment money, nothing more.
This
That's what people don't understand
They only need a plausible excuse to print more money
It doesn't matter if it wins or loses, they get the skim. The vigorish.
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>>523645038
Cause it can't be racist. The great thing it would do is repeat what 4chan says cause "we" are right.
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>>523647549
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>>523647908
nigger
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>>523645672
I'm in a ChatGPT battle too over being suspended from a site, who will win?
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>>523645038
I'm late to the game and only started asking AI questions 3+ years after everyone else. Despite the amount of time it's had to develop, the hype around it and the hijacking of people's willingness to think for themselves, I've come away with one conclusion: It makes a mistake every time I use it. Every single time. A lot of these mistakes are obvious on the face of it or could be cleared up with a simple Google search. I've been saying AI is a glorified chatbot that existed even in the early Internet for years (I talked to similar constructs on AOL Instant Messenger in the early 2000s lmao). It really doesn't feel much different. And to think these tech companies are firing half their people and replacing it with these abominations lmao.
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>>523672304
They're firing a lot of people cause they overhired and we're in a recession, but they're pretending we aren't cause muh STONKS. These companies have 300+ P/Es and we're supposed to pretend this is reasonable and normal in a healthy economy.
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>>523660226
After countless sleepless nights I can finally say I have perfected an equation that has the potential to significantly impact the future:
E = mc^2 + AI
This equation combines Einstein’s famous equation E=mc^2, which relates energy (E) to mass (m) and the speed of light (c), with the addition of AI (Artificial Intelligence). By including AI in the equation, it symbolizes the increasing role of artificial intelligence in shaping and transforming our future. My equation highlights the potential for AI to unlock new forms of energy, enhance scientific discoveries, and revolutionize various fields such as healthcare, transportation, and technology.
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so far the #1 worldwide use for AI has been pajeets pretending they belong in places they don't belong in
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>>523645038
>flag
>pic
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>>523648937
>This is why AI can't "steal" art either
It sure can steal styles and make them shittier though.
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>>523647929
its a media problem
to describe the problem with minimal accuracy you even can vaguely name the things and it understands in most of the cases from minimal context provided
e.g. programming/customization tasks
if you have at least some actual basic knowledge i.e. can name "hard" coded denominators and variables its able to amplify your potential output massively
on the other hand its able to teach you at a dynamic pace tailormade for your needs
the problem is, as so very often, the user sitting in front of the terminal.
users assuming superstitious beliefs of their self -(mis)-percieved knowledge about how the machine works, what the machine can do and what it can not.
people are the limiting factor here.
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>>523672523
Do you mention poos in every thread you deranged retarded faggot? Bet you're caught in a mind loop, bet you're also an an underachieving faggot who blames everyone for being a pathetic loser. Carry on.
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article about what jobs have which skills and which roles can be replaced with AI
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>>523648835
how are YOU supposed to KNOW something that you have not been TAUGHT and even that you have been TAUGHT ?
there is a process involved in establishing KNOWLEDGE.
you are ignorant and a fool believer
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>>523652160
they don't know
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>>523672708
https://www.33sticks.com/articles/when-accurate-data-becomes-a-weapon
McKinsey has a pretty abysmal track record as well with their retarded predictions. Analyzing data from these big firms is a job in itself cause they shit out trash to convince people of what they want to happen. Wishful thinking isn't useful.
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>>523671391
I just hate them so much, anon
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>>523672927
McKinsey just fired 1000 people yesterday
lol they said:
>that is what we tell our clients to do to save money
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>>523645038
It is right now replacing entry level jobs, if you want to see a documented impact on society then check the unemployment rates among the youth and fresh graduates.
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>>523673089
>fuck the future, fire people now so you can STONK!!!
It's hilarious watching them do this then collapse, then have to rush to hire back people to fix their retarded mistake. Funny enough, these LLMs are most apt to replace CEOs and other execs before anyone else.
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>>523671873
Except that it is, and they've hit a wall, and that is why they are already starting to hit up the government to bail them out.
Hope you didn't invest financially or emotionally, anon
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>>523645840
Pff yeah because those guys are raising the GDP. Dumbass
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>>523645672
>I pretend to work, and they pretend to pay me
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>>523673140
yes mostly white collar (or administaritve and cognitive as this MIT paper calls white collar)
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>>523645038
Every Wendy's and Taco Bell in my area has the AI drive-thru thing, everyone under 30 and suprisingly above 50 uses ChatGPT more than their own brains, and every single businesses I know in my field (property management), including our competitors, utilize AI for 99% of their marketing. One firm even outsourced their entire customer service department to AI and some jeets.

The impact is already here. Hell, I'd wager >75% or more of the things you see on social media, especially the captions below the image/video, are AI-generated. I even saw a BLM rally cry written by AI over some dead nigger.
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>>523672643
every pajeet thread. i see you've been where i look for you. none of this should come as a surprise, you can explain it to your fellow pajeets
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the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore
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and another MIT paper saying AI is mostly effective in personal on the job chatgpt use behind the boss' back
and it said that enterprise AI software is is being rejected
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all pajeets are working for jews, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on /pol/. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the human world and degrade it
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>>523645672
Honestly this faggot ass dystopia is kinda funny sometimes ngl.
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>>523651898
>entire economy is fucked beyond repair but the nvidia circle jerk is keeping the stonk charade going
back to Twitter and/or Reddit, faggot
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>>523673784
The other problem is people dumping company data into unsecured chatbots then the agents craze which will blow up in everyone's face with the massive security holes. The next few years are going to fucking suck.
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>>523645397
AI is so powerful because it is an equalizer. AI kills the advantage that whites/colonizers have from higher IQs. Every "shitskin" in the future will have access to someone with a 200iq and a PhD in everything. All /pol/ can do is seethe and post screencaps of them trying to get ChatGPT to say that "nword(s) are subhuman" and the holocaust never happened, or Indian mud memery. Meanwhile already half the tech nerds that used to be on your side are coming to ours because they foolishly simp for catgirl AI "girlfriends" and porn. Why do you think we push porn on you cumskins in the first place anyway? lol. Get fucked.
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>>523648008
Didn't the US military just reveal it's using 3d printing for producing drones on demand? And didn't elon just announce his acquired/stolen/etc 3d printed rocket tech for the new raptor? Do you faggots ever get tired of being wrong?
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>>523647981
>We find it interesting
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>>523645038
AI doesn't increase productivity or make things cheaper it just replaces peoples jobs, so the only thing it creates is unemployment and corporate profits.
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>>523645038
There’s no economic impact but it already contributed to math and physics with E = MC^2 + AI
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>>523645038
>It's done nothing
We already see corporations using it from Fast Food, Enterprise, even Server Side Sysadmins using it. Drug Discovery is also a big thing in medicine currently alongside Quantum Computing. The fact they are able to use it and save a lot of money a year tells you that it's already helping GDP and Productivity. If there was no use, nobody would be implementing it including Governments, Telecoms and even Gaming.

I would not be surprised if the doomers in this thread are brown and Indian as those would be the only types affected by the AI revolution.
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>>523674018
Mass layoffs and squeezing your h1b slaves for all its worth is what's keeping corporate profits intact. AI has literally nothing to do with it. It's having a severely detrimental effect on everything though, short term gain for long term pain. Won't be long now.
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>>523671175
Wes Anderson movie?
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>>523673879
it is best to do as little as possible by digital
i like to write checks and mail them out
basically the more you use your phone the more you are beta testing and creating a surveillance state

some pertinent pasta:
the people already have the power to stop any tyranny by SIMPLY USING CASH AND LEAVING YOUR PHONE AT HOME sometimes
these two simple things destroy any surveillance plans
you already have the fucking power
it is YOU that chooses to continue using the grid to your own detriment
you already have the power right now
you have agency still
they just need your consent to implement it wholly, then having agency won't even matter

the current tech trend is for citizens to not hold or own information or organize it or remember it
they also do not store it on their own computers, but in a foreign cloud that tracks all changes in real time
they only have instantaneous ACCESS to information
people are not being conditioned to retain info or organize it for themselves

tptb are now waiting for anyone with a high amount of intellect and knowledge to die off, then they will just be left with the malleable, dumbed-down 'instantaneous access' population that can't put two and two together

USE FUCKING CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY

kek pic rel my tv
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>>523645202
There will be no war but they will activate mRNA jabbed to become aggressive and mindless like zombies. They will blame it on yet another fake virus to vaccinate everyone and turn all of humanity into easily controlled borgs (70% of humanity and rising as they to be it to the toddlers) with rewired brains and bodies with no white or red cells so they are completely dependent on government to be kept alive. Your body will be monitored 24/7 and they will send ai drone to you with hologram Pfizer doctor telling you excuse pills you will take through inhalation.
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who was here for the opening weekend of microsaar dall-e 3 and its lobotomization to prevent hindophobic content
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>>523674201
>lewd images

Simulation
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>>523645038
It's called a scam.
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>>523674137
>guy who sounds suspiciously like an Indian accusing ai scam doubters of being Indian
you and these kike ai scammers are truly a match made in hell
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>>523674137
>SARRRR
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>>523662444
Checked
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afk
lpl
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>>523674629
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>>523645038
AI does my whole job.
But I'm not dumb enough to tell my bosses about it.
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>>523645038
>more than a trillion dollars invested so far
there's your gdp impact
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>>523658235
That is not at all how that works
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>>523673840
what do you think the 500 in s&p 500 means, retard?
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>>523675695
How much longer do you think you can keep the scam going? 6 months? A year? What do you think will happen when people realize what you have done?
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>>523648835
>advanced auto correct
well put
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>>523645038
an Indian who is anti-AI?
That's new.
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>>523645038
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>>523666172
>Aren't people just a logical system with dice rolls?

wow redditor you are so fucking deep and smart
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>>523645038
There is no value in AI
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AI is just fancy Google. It can write some basic code but it can't even execute it yet.
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>>523645038
they are using it to conduct market surveys on the internet and to spy on every online activity, im 100% sure every human has alreadt a file about him composed by some NSA ai that has his entire online activity
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>>523677270
>his entire online activity
converted into a couple of pharagraphs about his profile and terror level, retardedness level and other kind of measurements
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>>523652765
this is the part from the matrix when black moses said most people choose to live in the dream. those agp troons were a couple of quasimotos about thid shit and didnt even know it.
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>>523645038
they tried brute forcing models with more compute but are realizing that we've hit the limit with transformer architecture. so much money has been invested that now it's just a race to be the last man standing. everyone knows this and are running their programs until the wheels fall of. microsoft has other tech and revenue so they are bailing. this whole thing will collapse within 12 months.
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>>523645202
This, they need a war or a happening before they can initiate the next steps in their plan. They can’t just start radically change society leading to 50% of workers no longer needed as that would cause too much disruption with it rebellion and chaos so they need to have a something they can blame and distract the goyim with before they advance their next steps of the NWO
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>>523645038
Kek
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>>523645038
The biggest problem is adoption. It's like having access to a river but no plumbing (which is being built right now with the MCP stuff) to take advantage of it
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>>523645038
It's a scam. Chatgpt isn't ai, it's just a better version of the regular 90's mirc chatbot.
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>>523645038
The reality is people just haven't figured out how to use it Properly.
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>>523657307
>image
Def would !
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>>523680272
>nobody is using ai
how fucking retarded are you?
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>>523680692
>actual indian
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>>523645038
Because actually implementing AI for many jobs is a bottom-up process and middle management blocks the fuck out of it and tries to ban its use out of fear of any innaccuracy, or no one has the skill to implement it in a serious working capacity. Most American richfags live paycheck to paycheck due to extreme debt and thus are too risk averse to make it happen.
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>>523645202
>teh mark of le beast

just because you believe in fairy tales doesn't make them true.


Barabbas was a Jewish insurrectionist c. 30 C.E. whom Pontius Pilate freed at the Passover feast in Jerusalem, according to the Christian narrative of the Passion of Jesus. According to some sources, his full name was Yeshua bar Abba, (Jesus, the "son of the father").Christianity is Jewish fiction invented to quell the near insurrection by the peoples against the priesthood and Roman empire.

Background:Marcus Eli Ravage 'Commissary to the gentiles'Chief rabbi and biographer to the Rotheschilds, https://archive.org/details/MarcusEliRavageCommissaryToTheGentiles/page/n3/mode/2up
CONTEXT:
during the time between the Russian revolution where afterwards the bolsheviks had started to infiltrate into Europe bringing militant actions firstly in Poland (see the Morgenthau report on Poland Post WW1 for context) ,these bolsheviks murdered pretty much every man or woman of note in Poland starting with military officers in Katyn woods,then they murdered German civilians(over 40 thousand) in the territories annexed and given to Poland which previously were part of Germany (see the 'Danzig corridor') this time was when the admittance was made by Rabbi Ravage that Christianity was a fiction and that they were steamrolling into Europe after the murdering of Russia.
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>>523662444
Checked. The Canada option.
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>>523645038
The problem is that a bunch of incompetent faggots with a lot of money were sold and bought into a thought that LLMs can emerge into an AGI. So they keep running themselves to the ground, believing the lie that in 2 more weeks this will happen, while constantly moving the goalpost of what AGI is. All this, while ignoring the reality that for the last 2 years in the development of LLMs, where nothing but small incremental improvements have occurred and all low hanging fruits has been harvested. And any small future improvements will cost exponentially more amount of money and energy. This shit is more crazy and destructive that what the dotcom bubble was. Insane.
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