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>>523747396
yes

>>523747396
Meanwhile in reality all the faggots could do is start a lawsuit

>>523747396
>we're going to go to war with our shitty useless military that's already maxed out
Why are they like this?

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>>523747396
A new line has been drawn

>>523747396
already taken lol
they won't do shit because they can't, and the cost of taking that small slice of ukraine will absolutely not pay off in any of the current cabinets lifetimes, and will also be the primary reason why russia will balkanize the second putler and co kick the bucket.

>>523747396
Didn't we seize a bunch at the beginning of the war and they said the same thing?
They're toothless.

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>>523747396

Why dont they call it a special financial operation then?

>>523747396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHc
Social media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.

>>523747396
do it faggots

>>523747396
What's he going to do? Eat the nafo troons?

>>523747396
it's punitive like the Versailles Treaty
they're just making Russia an eternal enemy

Victory is ours and stealing money from won't do shit there is no amount of money that you can pump into hohols that would make them regain even centimeter of land. The hohols strategy is to get EU to commit troops and EU strategy is to get US troops involved instead lol

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>>523747396
In reality Ukraine will obviously lose hard at the end but they either get the Chechen treatment with endless gibs and fully rebuild from pidor taxes with special rights or they will face decades of resistance/terror. Putin doesn't has what Stalin had. Longer the war takes the more Russia has to take to make it a victory worth it and at this point it's all of Ukraine. EU won't pay shit when Russia takes Ukraine the only thing it does is making investors thin twice before storing wealth in the EU in the future. For Europe to heal we need really bad economic times so I welcome thism

>>523748379
Russia has always been an eternal enemy.

>>523747582
If they don't continue to talk big, their own people will gradually realize that they have been conned for decades?

>>523747396
Russia seized hundreds of $billions of Western assets. Was that a declaration of war?

>>523749195
Russia didn’t stole central bank assets

>>523749334
Le Pen gargles putins balls

>>523749334
>steal from everyone
>"ehm but you are not allowed to steal from me directly, or ELSE"

>>523749334
And we didn't park our assets in their banks, neither did our rich. Why? Look how many russian oligarchs had accidents or were jailed and had their assets seized. It's a klepotracy that'll get rid of you and steal from you if it deems it necessary.

>>523748804
Highly doubt it would have major repercussions on our banking sector.
It's an unprecedented mesure that was taken because of an unprecedented event. The only nation that would fear similar repercussions would be China in the event they would openly attack Taiwan.

But absolutely right regarding russia. They need a victory. Anything less than taking all or most of ukraine can't be sold as one. Russia will bleed itself dry rebuilding Ukraine. But let's see how it goes. Don't expect the war to end within the next 1-2 years.

>>523747396
Who cares I hate russians

>>523747396
They say they've been at war with NATO since 1949, 2014, yesterday, tomorrow

Who gives a shit. War is inevitable anyway. Confiscate it and prepare for conflict.

>>523749572
That's the point. No one keeps assets in our banks because they can be seized and are very unstable. And now no one will keep assets in European banks because they can be seized and are very unstable
>Bro just don't invade other countries!
I've seen this said numerous times and it's just dishonest. No one wants to be in our position. Europe demands that we set aside our country's interests and security for the sake of their idiotic ideals. We can defend ourselves but for smaller countries it would be the end. You have to put aside your interests for their sake or get fucked. Europe promotes the right of the strong in the worst possible way, all in pursuit of delusional ideals that make it impossible to do busines with them.
>>523749816
>Highly doubt it would have major repercussions on our banking sector.
>It's an unprecedented mesure that was taken because of an unprecedented event
It will definitely have some effect. Why would foreign investment be concentrated in Europe now? The whole point was that these were safe and stable investments, which is no longer the case. This entire war has demonstrated that globalism has failed. The whole idea that countries simply cannot exist outside this Europe-US system turned out to be complete nonsense.

>>523750223
>Bro just don't invade other countries!

Plenty of countries using our banks did invasions or otherwise started wars etc. Russia was warned in 2014 and continued nonetheless. This and continued treaths are the main reason. Can't see any other country fucking up to such a degree.

>Europe demands that we set aside our country's interests and security.

Your best interest would've been continued trade and cooperation. What security concerns? Nobody ever wanted to attack russia.

>Why would foreign investment be concentrated in Europe now?

Same reasons as before. Unprecedented measure in response to an unprecedented action. Still as stable and safe as before.
Genocide? Human right violations? Wars?
We don't care as long as it is not on our lawn and you openly threathen us. Hypocryticsl? Absolutely but still conditions nearly no nation will ever be able to violate.

>This entire war has demonstrated that globalism has failed.

It simply proved the system isn't invulnerable and countries, alliances and the global market will adept accordingly.
Problem for russia and the EU is it hasn't shifted in their favor. It hasn't shifted in the EU's favor either but the net winners will be China and to some degree the US. The global structure has turned around these 2 powers and russia has clearly fallen in Chinas sphere now while the EU got wheened of from the US in some areas and got more dependant in others. Result will be that the EU and Russia will see a long term divide while China and the US continue to exert their influence.

Russia shot the cow, the US and China butchered it and took everything while the EU and Russia stand there, dumbfounded looking at the carcass that was once a mutualy beneficial relationship.

>>523747582
How many soldiers were placed in Belarus this week?

>>523747396
cool. wake me up when the war starts.

>>523747396
But I thought russia was struggling because it was fighting the entire might of nato

>>523748596
Kys

>>523748110
Yeah, but this time the gloves are comming off. Just two more nuke threats.

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>>523747582
>shitty useless military
>we have to draft your sons and daughters to fight
pick one

>>523749572
>>523750223
You guys got it all wrong, the equation is simple: Europe buys Russian gas, Russians got Euros, Russian puts them in European banks. This is not some kind of oligarchs money, it is the money of the Russian people like me and you made by selling natural resources. If Euro countries had lots of Roubles they would have put them in Russian banks.

Now, what happened is that Russia chimped out over Ukraine and Euro countries think they have the upper hand and want to get this money to pay part of Ukraine debts (to their own banks). Could be that this will be how Euro countries sell Ukraine to Russia, or how they use it as a patch and then go on to make the war bigger. We will see

>>523747396
What are they gonna do? Nuke us? They can have fun living the rest of their lives in a shitty bunker then.

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>>523751278
>Your best interest would've been continued trade and cooperation. What security concerns? Nobody ever wanted to attack russia.
We tried. There were two agreements and Ukraine did not honour either of them.
US staged a coup in Ukraine and this is now an established fact
Europe made agreements that did nothing but give Ukraine time to prepare for war
Somehow we are guilty of wanting to defend ourselves
It was all initiated by your side, we were just reacting. You gave weapons and power to neo-Nazis which started a civil war in Ukraine. You're the bad guy here if we're talking about morals.
I won't even mention the whole narrative that Putin is an evil dictator who wants more land. Eastern Ukraine has been trying to join Russia since 90s.

>>523749182
Wow what a unique situation guess we better not take advantage of the fact nobody supports their system right now except for the dogs mutts and trash and derail your Grand Jewpire will with its own megalomania.

>>523752292
Dude don't bother talking to zog flags, mine included

>>523747396
We MUST have more whites die. This is essential to thr future of our democracy.

>>523747396
now that the eyebrow is raised will the gloves finally come out???
no, they will present an angry leter at un or some fag shit like always

>>523750223
>"We Russians are literally unable to stop invading other countries and killing non-russians"
We know.

>>523752292
The EU and US had their priorities. Most of Ukraine wanted stronger ties with the west due to economic reasons. Viktor Andriiovych Yushchenko already wanted closer ties with the west and was poisoned by russia in response. The whole civil war started with the annexation of crimea and everything that followed after that. The west chose a side and implemented the first sanctions.
Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych was nothing but a puppet and no coup could've taken place without public support. Ukraine was a playball in all of this but russia jumper the shark 2 times. Sad truth is that if Russia wouldn't have taken crimea, didn't support ukrainian rebels and instigated a civil war the most likely outcome would've been that the oblasts in question could've most likely seceeded relatively unopposed and legally. Ukraine still wouldn't be part of Nato or the EU and the current shitshow wouldn't have started.

>>523752677
>Ukraine didn do nuffin

>>523752677
you are discussing in bad faith. Fucking kike

>>523752757
Right up until the civil war started they didn't. After that it was just that. A civil war. Apart from that they prepared for a possible russian invasion, which did come.

>>523752775
How so?

>>523752677
Instigating a conflict while trying to be an arbiter to justify stealing is top chimp behavior. I would've said Europe is going to completely destroy it's reputation, but there is already none. Gulf monarchies are literally more respectable and law abiding today than Europe. Europe is a lawless place.

>>523747582
you diasporafags (of any ethnicity anywhere) are exhausting

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>>523747582
European nations will pick any fight it wants to because the USA will bail them out.

>>523752984
The conflict was instigated when Russia first tried to kill an ukrainian president that was pro western and then installed a puppet. After that puppet was ousted russia took crimea and promoted a civil war in the east of Ukraine. Everything else was a western response. Ukraine voted multiple times to have closer relations to the west. This for the same reasons every former soviet republic or state had after the collapse of the soviet union.

>>523752677
Your entire argument is based on the premise that everything that happened in Ukraine happened on its own which is simply not true. No one even denies this anymore.
There would be no war if the West had not organised a revolution
There would be no war if the West had not decided to escalate everything by giving power and weapons to the neo-Nazis who started the civil war
There would be no war if at least one of the two agreements had been fulfilled
There were several moments when you could have stopped it. I won't even take into account all the unconfirmed versions like the mysterious snipers who decided to shoot into the crowd and were never found.
>>523753173
Ah yes. Everything I dislike is the schemes of evil Russia, and everything I like is the will of the Ukrainian people.

>>523753259
>everything that happened in Ukraine happened on its own

No there were 2 foreign parties involved. The west and Russia. Russia acted against an elected ukrainian president that wanted closer ties to the west and then installed a puppet. Said puppet was ousted with the support of the west. The decision to take territory and arm rebels came from russia. The subsequent civil war was the result of all these actions and later russia decided to start an all out invasion. The west decides to arm ukraine in response.

>>523750223
>>523751278
You aren't thinking about this properly. You're looking at this from the perspective of a western citizen. Of course from our perspective there's a moral high ground to call the act justified and impossible to repeat because of the specific circumstances of the war. Other perspectives aren't as favorable. What do other countries see? They see that yes, europe was a rich and prosperous region in which your money was save even despite conflicts historically. So why did Europe suddenly break with this, why is it not continuing to keep your money save despite a conflict? Well, you see one major thing has changed in this conflict. Europe is not rich and prosperous anymore. It has money issues. Even worse than that it has a bottomless desire to spend money. Maybe, just maybe, this isn't an unprecedented, impossible to repeat situation. Perhaps this is just usual business for people in a tight spot with a desire to spend money not unlike any other bum you see on the street. Perhaps they will find some unique and impossible to repeat reason to confiscate some money each time they pass a new expensive bill. Perhaps I should bank my money in some other place without money issues just to be save. Don't wanna give some stealing bum my money after all.

>>523753259
>There would be no war if the West had not organised a revolution
Because it's impossible that a country whose people wanted closer ties to the EU would ever rebel against a kremlin puppet, right

>>523747396
>Hungarians are seething because they got cucked by EU once again
Nothing will happen.

>>523753259
there would be no war if russia wasn't such a failed state it failed to keep even it's "brother" nation aligned with it.
there would be no war if russia wasn't such a failed state it failed that the only means left to it was to invade
there would be no war going on now if russia wasn't such a failed state it failed it's invasion

>>523747396
How is he wrong though? The EU desperately wants to pretend they are at war with Russia without actually fighting, and would throw a shitfit of cope if Russia did this to them.

>>523750223
You would get the money back if you stopped the shit you are doing though

>>523747396
>the seizure of Russian assets would amount to a declaration of war
Seems like a special financial operation to me, not a war. Maybe don't keep money in enemy territory?

>>523753644
>Perhaps I should bank my money in some other place without money issues just to be save
ignoring all the other retardation, where would that be?
can't be the US they have even bigger debt and are more prone to asset forfeiture
China doesn't have any legal protection for your money at all, the chinks will take it when they want for whatever or no reason. the same for russia, it's already nationalized and sold of dozens of western companies.
Switzerland, the gulf states ect. have to small of an economy to park a couple hundred billion in unless you are happy to just leave it in a savings account and let inflation eat it all up
so you can take the "gamble" and place it in EU and simply hope you won't be "forced" to invade a country bordering the EU

>>523753450
You really oversimplify everything and reduce it to "we good guys, we help the people of Ukraine, and Russia is bad it only works in its own interests" which is complete nonsense. No one denies that the whole country was a playground for intelligence agencies on both sides, but your side decided to escalate it.
>>523753660
Too bad most people still wanted to have close ties with Russia. Eastern Ukraine has been trying to join us since the 90s. So I should probably add
There would be no war if Ukraine had allowed the unsatisfied regions to secede
It might even have been able to join NATO without any problems with the LNR and DNR acting as buffers between Ukraine and Russia
>>523753870
It's not worth it. It's not that much money and we gained more from this war than we lost. It's mainly a matter of principle and the global economy. Also all the ‘Russia leave Ukraine’ plans included reparations significantly greater than these frozen funds. It is simply impossible to negotiate with the EU.

Oh no not HONgary

>>523747582
They BTFO'd the mutts in Ukraine.
And mutts couldn't do shit but spam "SLABA MOKMARIA" on twatter.
So they feel confident.

>>523754012
>There would be no war if Ukraine had allowed the unsatisfied regions to secede
And there wouldn't have been a war in Chechnya if Russia allowed it to secede.
That's not how it works most of the time.

>>523754012
>we gained more from this war than we lost.
You are literally retarded if you think that is true.
Also look on one hand you are whining about the west for starting shitbut with quotes like this you just make it look like the interest based war of aggression that it is.
The whole thing can just be boiled down to
>Russia loses its sphere of influence
>They desperately try to upkeep it with military means
Which is both evil and stupid

>>523754006
>ignoring all the other retardation, where would that be?
Gold

>>523754229
Military means are the only means of establishing a sphere of influence.

>>523754006
>where would that be?
Currently the only place that is openly talking about stealing money is the EU so naturally the EU is now at the bottom of that list. Russia's western companies were forced by western companies to leave in an attempt to crash their economy so this is another good argument to cut ties with the west preemptively. The US is in a much better economic position than the EU thanks to Trump but even they took a hit. The EU is heading towards becoming their own version of china without the nationalistic tendencies so naturally you'll pick the one who doesn't have money issues. I am really getting sick of the way EU citizens still believe they are living 20-30 years in the past where the comparison between the west and the east was much more simple. Nowadays the west has an authoritarian, anti-free speech governing style and a heavily central planning inspired approach towards the economy. Saying "at least we're not Russia/China" is nothing but fucking cope at this point because in many ways we have fucking surpassed them.

>>523754158
That's just a dishonest argument. There was way more to the invasion of Chechnya than just trying to secede.
>>523754229
It must be nice to live in a simple world where Russia is just evil and stupid and the West is good and smart. Also you haven't specified what exactly we lost in this war. But let me guess, it has something to do with the West being the best and the only way forward.

>>523747582
>it's so useless and weak
>also we need to send everything we have to Ukraine and increase military spending and reintroduce conscription
Pick one nafo troon

>>523754382
Not really but having a strong military is needed to keep one. Did China ever invade someone to keep its influence?
Did Europe do it?
The USA may have done it but not in such a blatantly direct way.
Most important is having an important economy and Russia could have just that with their resources but they completely fucked themselves over

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>>523747396
Just like they said applying sanctions would be a declaration of war
Just like they said giving Ukraine weapons would be a declaration of war
Just like they said giving Ukraine HIMARs would be a declaration of war
Just like they said giving F-16s would be a declaration of NUCLEAR War
Just like they said giving western tanks would be a declaration of war
Just like they said sharing intel was a Declaration of War

I think the best way is to keep using Ukrainians as targets for Russian bombs until they've got no more bombs, then we can't have a war with them. Simple

>>523754012

>You really oversimplify everything and reduce it to "we good guys, we help the people of Ukraine, and Russia is bad it only works in its own interests"

No.

> but your side decided to escalate it.

Russia invaded.

>There would be no war if Ukraine had allowed the unsatisfied regions to secede

With this line of thought russia could've evade 2 wars with Chechenya.

>we gained more from this war than we lost.

No. The frozen assets are peanuts. War itself is expensive. Munitions, vehicles, equipment. Soldiers need to be fed, clothed, armed and payd. After the war russia needs to clear, demine and rebuild the territory it has taken. The territory and it's people need to be integrated into russia proper and will most likely receive the same treathment as Chechenya. I e a lot of money and investments in order to appease the people, which will be hard after such a long time of warfare. Then there are the wounded, both russian and ukrainian, that live in the new territory. That'll be even more expansive than the war. Then there's always the possibility of insurgencies or simple acts of sabotage like the still ongoing in the caucasus that evolved into the "Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus". Means a large military presence will be needed and precautions have to be taken. Then russia has to decide if they will change again from a militarused economy to a civil one and has to take into account how that will be going. The frozen assets and a combined 380 billion in aid pale in comparison.

>>523747635
Anon Crimea, L & D is over 20Bn p/year, so they've already made 1/3 of the frozen assets back already

>>523747503
There are more European assets stuck in Russia's jurisdiction than Russian assets stuck in European jurisdiction.

If the Eurogays do this Russia will come up on top. (But they need a legal pretext first.)

>>523754459
>Russia is just evil and stupid
Currently yes
>the West is good and smart
Did i say that or is that just your nation wide insecurity speaking?
You lost resource exports, foreign investments, economic reserves, millions of men and counting, reputation as a secure trading partner, tons of equipment, the illusion of being a strong military, money and assests that have been seized and so on.
Like do you honestly think that wont suck for your economy in the next years? Even India is importing less and less of your oil.
And all that for a bit territory in the Ukraine which will still take years and years to conquer at the current speed

Wait a minute, so are you telling me that it's fine when Russia nationalizes the assets left behind by the Western companies that decided to leave Russia due to the sanctions that were applied in 2022? Because according to Russian own report, Putin already nationalized some $50 billion in Western assets left behind. Maybe the drunkard midget finally made away with the pretenses and admitted that it was Russia that first declared war on the West, in addition to being the aggressor in Ukraine.

>>523749816
>Russia will bleed itself dry rebuilding Ukraine
How exactly?

>>523754242
>gold
oh gee why didn't russia just think of that and buy 200 billion more gold instead of putting it in the west.
it seems that gold solves everything once again
there's never a reason to do anything else than to just buy gold
>>523754427
>Currently the only place that is openly talking about stealing money is the EU
so we just forget about all the times the Us has done it because it's not convenient for your argument, got it.
>were forced by western companies to leave
most of them weren't and where still nationalized
>I am really getting sick of the way EU citizens still believe they are living 20-30 years
I agree with you on that.
but I also get really sick of retards that think that because x is bad in the EU, everything has to be bad in the EU.
that the EU is restricting free speech doesn't changer the fact that it is the second largest economy. or that it still has some of the best legal protections for your investments.
taking those assets may reduce investment into the EU but it will never crash it simply because there really isn't an alternative that could handle the amount of money we are talking about
not being allowed to post NIGGER on fb doesn't change that

>>523747396
>leftorrightimproviolence.png
Do it!!!1!!

>>523752677
>The whole civil war started with the annexation of crimea
Opinion distrgarded

>>523754494
I don't think you have any right to talk about economy lol. Europe currently produces nothing but ideals.
There is no reason to take your side unless you believe in all this globalist bullshit. That's probably why you've practically lost control in Africa and even the US is starting to turn away from you.
Imagine being an African government
You can sell out to Russia and then you'll get some PMC that will create mountains of dead niggers wherever you say
You can sell out to China and get loads of money
Or you can sell out to Europe and get the promise of a bright future that will never come
>>523754589
>>523754701
You repeat it like some kind of religious mantra. At this point European ideology is just a cult detached from reality

>>523751332
How many hoholeaf?

>>523754716
>No. The frozen assets are peanuts. War itself is expensive. Munitions, vehicles, equipment. Soldiers need to be fed, clothed, armed and payd. After the war russia needs to clear, demine and rebuild the territory it has taken. The territory and it's people need to be integrated into russia proper and will most likely receive the same treathment as Chechenya. I e a lot of money and investments in order to appease the people, which will be hard after such a long time of warfare. Then there are the wounded, both russian and ukrainian, that live in the new territory. That'll be even more expansive than the war. Then there's always the possibility of insurgencies or simple acts of sabotage like the still ongoing in the caucasus that evolved into the "Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus". Means a large military presence will be needed and precautions have to be taken. Then russia has to decide if they will change again from a militarused economy to a civil one and has to take into account how that will be going. The frozen assets and a combined 380 billion in aid pale in comparison.

>>523748110
No, nothing was seized.
Bank transfers were blocked, which means assets cannot be moved or used in any way.
But nothing was, technically speaking, "seized". (Yes, it's all very Jewish.)

He's really earning that conscription exemption today ain't he?

>>523754012
Problem is Russia itself didn't want the regions to secede they wanted them to have the ability to be under Russian control while still being able to influence the rest of Ukraine.

>>523754701
>Currently yes
Retard detected

>>523747396
>medbedev
who cares? Anyone can do anything to russia without effective retaliation. OP enjoys his broomstick sessions

>>523754761
You can continue sperging about Europe in which even countries like Italy are economically better off or you can do some introspection

>>523754879
True
They've always been that way, the 'currently' is unnecessary.

>>523754716
It's really going to hurt the image of a Russia victory if "Their" part of Ukraine remains a bombed out blasted wasteland covered in UXO, destroyed cities, and the only people wanting to live there being third worlders and dirt poor Vatniks Russia dumped to try to replace the now dead and displaced population.

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>>523747396
I feel sorry for Hungarians. They only wanted their country free of shitskin migrants and faggotry, yet they got becoming Kremlin's bitches and EU's most corrupted country in a package.

>>523747582
>ruZZia is so weak and impotent amirite haha
>let me tell you why Europe should mobilize and send zoomers to the trenches
Russophrenia in action

>>523747396
They know that it will be war and the consequences for western businesses still heavily invested in Russia will be dire. They will get fucked by it worse than the Russians. That's why they're doing it with a sneaky trick to thwart the horrified Belgians who are holding the Russian assets. They're trying to use the 300 billion as a guarantee a security for loans they're taking against it, loans that will be fed directly into the maw of the vast Ukrainian corruption machine. It'll be a feeding frenzy not just for the rotten Ukrainian government/military but for western bureaucrats and politicians from DC to Poland and Berlin and Paris and London.

They're filthy shit eating maggots feeding off the corpse of Europe. It's disgusting to behold this trash.
If you've ever had business dealings with hard core homosexual men you'll have noticed that not only are they totally sexually incontinent, they're even more financially incontinent too. Profligate to an insane self destructive degree. Like degenerate gamblers they get an almost sexual release from teetering on the edge of ruin. No sum of money no matter how vast will satiate this vice.

>>523747396
At least half the countries in the EU shouldnt be in the EU. They're not european, they're not white, they bring nothing to the table, they're not allies

>>523755019
>Nooo we willingly wanted both Russian and EU benefits for our needs and now we are getting fucked over how could this happen to us

>>523747396
it this is done.
a precedent has been set.

this means the moment assets are frozen, one can start a war.

the whole world is watching.

>>523747396
Good. Fuck Poland anyway.

>>523753259
It happened because Russia was trying to meddle in Ukraine from the very start under the naive premise that in their minds Ukraine was always their puppet state
Well it wasn't. Hilarious to see how Russians blame the evil west when it's them who caused all of this and they yet refuse to admit, like a third worldler would

>>523754761
>You repeat it like some kind of religious mantra
>Europe currently produces nothing but ideals.

Ironic. Gets also repeated like a mantra.

>You can sell out to Russia and then you'll get some PMC that will create mountains of dead niggers wherever you say

Again, only war and death from Russia. And still enough trade and good relations with Africa. Without direct military involvment. Meanwhile you lost Syria and are currently losing influence in the Caucasus.

>You can sell out to China and get loads of money

Always comes with strings attached. And China offers far more than just money.

>>523754761
>Europe currently produces nothing but ideals
that must be why every time a peace deal is mentioned or being discussed one of russias starting demands is that the EU lifts it's sanctions on them

>>523752292
The most annoying thing about this entire affair is being fed the lie of omission by all the ass lickers following their masters the (((Neocons))). The war begins for them in Feb 2022 and that is that. Nothing before that is to be discussed without being impatiently dismissed with a sweep of the hand. They're' shit excuses for human beings.

>>523754962
It's further from the truth every year and you know it. Europe has been in decline for some time now and it's getting worse every year. But you keep repeating it like some kind of religious mantra.
No one can deny that it was a wonderful place to live 15 years ago. Would I like to live in Europe now? Hell no.

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>>523747396
mazel tov, judeo magyar cyganys!

>>523755088
I would respect this opinion if it came from a EU country, or at least an 85% white country like france is. What is it in britain? 50% white like america?

>>523755205
bodied that freak

>>523752677
>no coup could've taken place without public support.

kek the CIA brought in their proxies from all over eastern Europe to carry out their Euromaidan coup including the snipers shooting at police from rooftops. Where did they come from? Were they the same Columbian paratrooper death squads that sodomized Khadaffy with a hunting knife?

>>523755275
>france
>85% white country
Anon...

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>>523747396
DO IT FAGGOTS!

>>523755262
Kek. Please tell me that pic is altered.

>>523755295
Not a coup but a revolution, don't change words Mr commie. I know you love that but it's factually incorrect but it's very obvious that you are trying to shape the narrative by repeating words that simply aren't correct

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>>523755056
The surest way of avoiding war with Russia is to letting them know how much you don't like them. Absolutely unironically.

Nothing shows dislike like training and arming millions of people just to kill you.

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>>523748804
Hi, Dennis!

>>523754717
>so we just forget about all the times the Us has done it
I remember Afghanistan which I also heavily criticize especially because of how they brag about how poor it is now "thanks to the taliban". Even then the US is still above the EU on the list so I don't see how this is even relevant to the argument.
>most of them weren't and where still nationalized
Do you have any source for that? I only remember examples like McDonalds who decided to sanction Russia and other ones just like that.
>that the EU is restricting free speech doesn't changer the fact that it is the second largest economy
Maybe on paper but not in reality. US and China are obviously bigger and more relevant and Russia still didn't break after years of war economy and has consistently outpaced NATOs efforts in the war. The individual EU countries aren't doing well economically. Most are already leeches and the big ones like germany are collapsing. You can see right now how relevant the EU still is over Russia. Russia isn't put on mute each time they talk about the ukraine war let alone in general.
>taking those assets may reduce investment into the EU but it will never crash it
The EU already has an issue with capital fleeing from it. This topic isn't an isolated issue. A little stain on an otherwise spotless portfoliio. The EU has issues in every single department and this is yet another major risk factor added to it. All these issues accumulate and they will drain everything of value eventually. Smart money is already seeing the writing on the wall and leaving.

>>523755372
it's hilarious how they invest so much into propaganda in foreign countries that they themselves start believing it

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>>523755019
>They only wanted their country free of shitskin migrants and faggotry

LOL

>>523753756
Russia was a failed state that built a massive engineering triumph Nordstream 2 pipeline to fuel the Western European industry with cheap fuel so they could produce globally competitive manufactured goods of the hightest quality. The Neocons wanted to smash that pipeline to attack Germany just as they've been doing since WWI when they started a global war to stop the Berlin Constantinople railway to bring oil to GErman industries and refineries. Ditto WWII and ditto the insane NATO attack on Serbia to do the same thing. The target was more Germany than any other thing. In the words of Victoria Nudelmann; "fuck europe".

>>523747396
GLOVES COMING OFF NOW!!!1

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>>523755352
not altered!

>>523747459
Why would you want more war?

>>523755248
>Still no introspection whatsoever
Despite having problems literally any place in Europe is better to live in than your country. And will be forever like that too.

>>523753259
What's wrong with neo nazis in someone else's country
Why is that your problem

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>>523755473
to kill all pidors! >>523755338

>>523754589
>Soldiers need to be fed, clothed, armed and payd

Not if they're slav Ukranians led by a tiny cabal of evil jews...kek

Bugattis to Monte Carlo kek.

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>>523755248
>Europe has been in decline

>>523755372
Sure and Poland's next in line for the MIC meatgrinder should you ever go full retard, good enough that you're just yapping meanwhile wignat Ukros drank the koolaid and became actual cannon fodder for the Jews ripping them off and Western tax money as well

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>>523755465
Christ. Jean-Claude should've slapped him harder.

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NA BERLIN!

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>>523755602
https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/08/hungarys-secret-new-study-by-myheritage/

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>>523754132
>btfo

>>523751662
>>523755056
That’s just yuros bureaucrats being paranoid and clueless. They still believe Russia is this big entity that could do severe damage to us, when in reality a simgle sortie could realistically take out their entire motorcycle gokart frontline, as russhits would now be fighting a someone with an actual air force.
>>523754490
>sending everything
Oh you sweet naive child

>>523747396
>RussiaDirect
Lmfao

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>>523753259
>Ah yes. Everything I dislike is the schemes of evil Russia, and everything I like is the will of the Ukrainian people.

I do not know if you genuinely believe the most retarded propaganda takes your government spews out or if you are just pretending to do so to have an "argument". In either case I have zero sympathy for you

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>>523755670
>deep cope maps
It has been five days and there is still no confirmation that Ukraine is holding even half of what it claimed.

the funds won’t get taken anyway

>>523754699
Hehe good one, Sergay. Your soviet humour always gets me.

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>>523747396
>seize the assets
>nobody wants to invest in europe
Do it nigga

can we end this shit already? I don't want to join the meat grinder

>>523755569
Russians won't attack us as long as Germany won't help them by attacking Poland from another side. Everytime in history they tried going agaist Poles by themselves, they got their ass kicked and they know it.

However Russians still might try to undermine Article 5 by attacking Estonia. It's hard to tell who will mostly die there, because there's literally too little land for war of this scale. Whatever scenario there is, it will be Russians that will die mostly.

>>523755777
You can do better agitprop that this slop, surely. "Protestors" were screaming Muscovites to the gallows and powerful Jews like Nuland, Kolomoisky egging on. Can't miss the chance to push intra Slavic fight and support Ukrainian wignats with rabies

>>523755473
Are you retarded or something? This war was 100% orchestrated by the US. Of course they want Europe to go to war with Russia.

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>>523755892
We going to be deployed to the first ever gypsy battalions our job will be stealing back all those washing machines sometimes their shovels too

>1pbtid OP
>memeflag
>eternal russniggerstan saber-rattling
Yes, yes I'm sure this will be the final red line for real this time. Very organic thread.

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>>523755934
>Can't miss the chance to push intra Slavic fight

so why putin started it?

>>523755989
Er du jøde eller har du jødiske aner?

>>523748110
They already seized the interest and gave it to Ukraine or US.

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>>523755986
lol

>>523755961
What does the US gain from killing eastern european zoomers

>>523755925
>Cut off before you can see the sub still intact

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>>523756081
hahahahahaha
masters of cope!

>>523756056
Extend its hegemony. Sever all ties between Russia and the West. Weaken Russia more. Force Europe to buy American LNG. Sell weapons to Europe to boost the military-industrial complex.

>>523756033
Neither as far as I know. Are you a brown welfare leech or a mentally ill tranny or both?

Redline Status? Degloving iminant! Its real this time!

>>523747396
>after defeat
lmaooooooo these cringe cucks can't even defeat ukraine

>>523755920
Nobody cares about Eesti or the other Balt chihuahuas, they could be useful to pop the cherry on testing Article 5, in practice they are too worthless causing international controversy over and too little RoI on a strategic level

Ukraine is a completely different deal. Brussels beaurocrats and London+Wall Street finance jews became greedy as usual, miscalculated and overstretched their power level

>>523752292
> Europe made agreements that did nothing but give Ukraine time to prepare for war
yes, to defend against you. Which they were absoutely right about, since you attacked.
If le hecking evil Ukraine would have been the one to restart the war over Donbas, you could have just waited for that to happen and then pushed them back with very little repercussions from the world. Obviously, you didn't because it was and always has been you that is the aggressor. A shame Hitler didn't to finish what he started

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>>523747396
>d-d-don't cross this red line... or... or ELSE!!
>this is the final warning
lmao

ok and? russia's clown army is an international joke

>>523750223
Are you planning on reimbursing European companies for the assets you seized?
If not kindly stop whinging about the consequences of your actions and eat trench mud.

>>523747396
Isn’t this coming from Medvedev? He’s not actual member of the government, he just posts cope on twitter.

>>523756341
>Are you planning on reimbursing European companies for the assets you seized?
Do you have an example of one that didn't sanction Russia before their assets were seized?

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>>523756240
>chihuahuas
Nobody calls them like that other than Russians/vpniggers.

There's enough tripwire forces in Baltic states from all around Europe to start a war with entire Europe even without Article 5 involved. That's how this is designed. Only risk is Russians being retards and miscalculating their chances, like they used to so far.

>Brussels beaurocrats and London+Wall Street finance jews
Poor Russia, so innocent and pure from all this filth.

>>523747396
>another declaration of war
keep me posted

>>523756179
Du tisser i sengen hver nat, da du var lille gav farmand dig en tur med bæltet inden du gik i seng. Nok derfor du er bøsse og crossdresser på tiktok

>>523755062

>western businesses still heavily invested in Russia will be dire

There are none, or did you miss 2022 and 2023 where Russia stole all of the assets of those western businesses invested in Russia?

>>523756582
I agree with you so far, Eurocrats and London/Wall Street kikes are the spawn of Satan. Sly little cowards who would never want to give up their hoarded cash and comfort, they happily fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and would make Poland an Afghanistan tier slogfest too
At least Polish are more about empty posturing and seem wiser than brainlet cargo cult Ukronationalists doing the bidding of rich thieving kikes

>>523754699
Lmao, never change, deluded rusnigs

>>523756724
This is the third time I've seen this argument in the thread and so I now ask for the third time the same question because I really want to know the answer >>523756577
Are you gonna be the one to finally answer my question?

>>523747396
Why would EU pay them back after their defeat? Why would you pay the loser?

Whew.

>>523747396
yeah, forget about the mass murder and tanks and planes and bombs that russia hurls into europe for a moment
the real war is having your blood money taken
orban is a farcical and corrupt pedo-protecting gypsy faggot

It's unlikely they'll war over this but if most of western Europe "vanished" overnight oh well, commie shits had it coming.

>>523757679

>We can legally steal your assets because your government sanctioned us

Not how it works. By that logic the EU can indeed take all of Russias assets.

>>523757137
>Ukronationalists doing the bidding of rich thieving kikes
said the delusional/dishonest faggot as he supports notorious kleptocrat putin and the kremlin regime

>>523747582
The trvke that destroyed the russosissies

>>523752292
bro the ukraine army was literal dogshit on the day of the invasion that only survived the initial rush because of nlaws and landmines. it was only later after the war looked to not be so one-sided that they got armed to the teeth.

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>>523757841
A fourth time. I'm gonna ask the same fucking question a fourth time now. So fuck it, I'll answer it myself. There are none. Western companies still operate in Russia. Only the ones that *voluntarily* decided to sanction Russia got fucked by Russia. Article is from 2023 but nothing has changed since then.

>>523757841
logic, law, principles or valued dont matter to them, these people are fundamentally dishonest
when you talk with them and arent part of their cult words have no meanin, they are merely tools used to misdirect and deflect
these kremlin supporters are sophists
any other worldview that has any epistemic rigour would crumble under the many dissonances and contradictions of being a kremlin regime supporte

remember this motto because it is very descriptivr and succinct with respect to post truth politics and many anti-democratic forces, kremlin supporters included:
"NOTHING IS TRUE BUT EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE"
That is their creed, no matter how they dress it up or what tidbits they try to mount into a facade to distract themselves and others from this fact of their pathetic, psychotically paranoid, delusional and anti-human worldview.

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>>523757137
>they happily fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and would make Poland an Afghanistan tier slogfest too
It's literally Russia who started this - Russian leadership with support of Russian people.

People of nations that are in direct threat of becoming part of Russian evil empire will fight this miserable prospect by their own, without some mythical juice telling them. That's common misconception amongst Russians and their clueless supporters.
>cargo cult
Another Russian phrase usef for post-commie nations that want to break free from Russian influence. It was also used for Polish struggle to get rif of post-commie corruption from our country.

Phrase came from the fact that majority of Russians themselves don't fully grasp on how wealth and prosperity are build (that's why their own country is eternal shithole), so they're confusing other people's actions with useless rituals because they don't see connection in between.

>>523747396
it pretty much would be. war is just thievery between countries, so naturally stealing from another country is also war.

>>523758047

Then may we see the western companies that still operate in Russia?

>>523749816
>an unprecedented event
war is not unprecedented.

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>>523758080
The vast majority apparently.

>>523757858
>no u
Not an argument. The difference of economic structure between Belarus, Russian Federation and Fuckraine is simple
Kike cleptocrats never got a foot inside Belarus due to Luka not opening to free market and le invisible hand, say what you want about Lukashenko dictator etc. et al. you have to admit he is doing his due diligence

Russia was the same as Ukraine in the 90s being plundered, EU and US Dems are seething because Putin put oligarchs under his authority while thieves like Khodorkovsky hide their stash in foreign countries
Ukraine is a Jewish free for all playground and the Saliva Ukraini crowd seem yet to be in some kind of delirium

>>523758134

Then surely you can list some that as of December 2025 are still operating in Russia.

>>523747396
why not hack and bring down the financial markets which run each country?

>>523758229
The burden is on you to prove that there are no western companies operating in Russia, you delusional goblin jew.

>>523756577
>>523757679
Stop embarrassing yourself. Either it's a unforgivable act of war or it isn't.

>>523758399

No, the burden is on the person who claimed there are western companies operating in Russia. I never made the claim that there were no western comapnies operating in Russia.

>>523758399
>DA BURDAN IS ON YOU TO PROVE MY CLAIM WRONG SAAAR
fuck off jeet

>we just gon keep his shit
The fuck lil Putin gon do?

>>523758444
Leaf anom:
>...western businesses still heavily invested in Russia...
You:
>There are none
Kraut anon:
>>523758134
You:
>reee that doesn't count. Tell me their names exactly and right now!

Nah, burden is one you now, retard. You have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate your stupid claim. Others have provided at least something.

>>523747396
Orban is a cuck who should just give his country to Russia considering how much he sucks Putin off.

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>>523747396
im sick of waiting for this so called full scale war
so boring

>>523758444
>>523758134

https://leave-russia.org/staying-companies

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>>523758413
The other anon is obviously right about your thinly veiled attempt to shift burden of proof but I'll indulge you because dishonest people like you will just continue with their lies until they can't anymore.
Some articles mentioned 11.000 western companies still operating but I don't know where the number is coming from. Yale made a list of 1500 companies who pledged to withdraw. 500 of those are still operating there. Here you go:
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain
Pic is from late 2024 and still just as relevant.

>>523755558
>>523755579
The US Army was training mounted horse cavalry for the invasion of Japan in 1945.

>>523758643
>Hey guys, stop fighting so our economies can recover and prices come down
>HURR U WANT RUSSIA TO INVADE U BCUZ U SUCK PUTIN'S COCK!!!

>>523747396
Can someone make a site that lists every time the Russians issued us a last warning? I think it'd be quite hilarious.

>>523747459
FPBP

>>523758963
there was an anon that made a txt file with all the red lines drawn by russia since 10 years ago

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>>523758891
Hungarian government was sucking off Russians long before the war. It has nothing to do with country's economy or security - because Hungarian economy is only getting worse and Hungary are generally safe behind Carpathian Moutains (at least for now). Orban just loves doing this for his own, short-sighted, private gains.

>>523757858
This would be an acceptable comment but you retarded subhuman have the German flag and are therefore irrelevant since nothing is worse than the shithole of Nazistan nigger cattle land

>>523759060
>nothing to do with Hungary's security
Lmao I think they know better what is their security interest
This is why nobody likes Nafoids, bunch of condescending redditor pricks lecturing others what they should do or not do, while nobody asked for their horseshit arrogant opinion

>>523753069
Why is Canada grouped with us?

>>523759032
please, share, portbro

>>523748838
No that's the United States and it's handler Israel.

>>523759060
Hungary have long claimed a part of Ukraine and saw the Russian invasion as a way to get it. That's it. If Ukraine promised to hand over land and make the Carpathian watershed the border at the war's conclusion, Hungary would switch to backing them fast enough to make heads spin.

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>>523759295
>I think they know better what is their security interest
Fidesz version of "security" basically means complete surrender to Russia.

>>523747396
Russia limited cloudflare to 16 kb
Started to block Google and YouTube
In march 2026 gov plan to turn off external internet access.

Obv war will happen

>>523747396
Boy and I thought our president is russian doormat. Orban is a fucking traitor.

>>523755056
>>523753057
>>523751662
>>523754490
>>523755056

Look at these kremlin bots having the exact same talking point how cute lululul

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>>523759549
Or you are just gonna become a giant North Korea kek

>>523754132
Lol what the fuck have russoids btfo except their image as a military power?

>>523747582
Russians have always bluffed. They are bloated pig, full of air, and one pin prick will pop them. Never give Russia any respect. It's such a paper tiger and always has been.

>>523759547
No it means pursuing national interest by bridging all sides. Like Turkey is doing too as a Nato country but receives much less bitching and kvetching for, due to simply not being smol
Luka tried as well the neutral role and even had own gas dispute with Russia, EU morons basically tore down their bridge in 2021 and shoved him to the pro Russian camp

EU morons act like PMSing cluster B women, its bad statecraftship simple as and many world leaders atm are leagues better than the likes of VdL and Kaja Kallas

>>523753259
i get most of your points with the exception of one
>le neo-nazis
they were organized and funded by kikes. that was a psyop the entire time and the hohols were baited into it and now your propaganda centers around the notion that they were organized at a grassroots level. if that were the case, these so called neo-nazis would have been warring against the jew oligarchs and jew bureaucrats that pimp their nation. keep that bullshit to yourself if you actually believe, otherwise nobody with an ounce of intelligence will take you seriously

The EU kvetching about Hungary is proof nafoids are pussies. They only pile on easy targets, threatening Belgium the Hungary treatment if they don't agree to steal Euroclear bonds
Like god damn, world leaders are watchinf this cowardice and two faced behavior have some dignity ffs, same pertains to the Jewkraine

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Loyalty to a foreign occupying power is treason. Zogbots are traitors.

>>523759529
>Hungary have long claimed a part of Ukraine and saw the Russian invasion as a way to get it.
Yes, and this is the most retarded part.

European demographics are declining. People are our most valuable asset, not territory. And if there's some territory with our people on it, best way to secure their interest is to do whatever possible to make that other country is prosperous and friendly.

Pretty much how Poland and Lithuania dealt with their issues in 1990s to early 2000s (after Russians tried to use Poles in Vilnius to create entity similar to Transnistria). However to do that you need long term strategic thinking instead of reactionary, short-sighted politics.

>>523759295
>muh arrogance
it's not normal people's fault you're a retarded schizo who believes his dumbass theories are le hard facts that "MUH ZOG MEDIA doesn't want you to know about"

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>>523759758
>No it means pursuing national interest by bridging all sides.
Difference between Orban and Erdogan is that Orban isn't Erdogan. I'm not huge Erdogan fan, but in comparison to Orban he looks like honest statesman.

Orban political stunts are ruining Hungary's national insterest. Country only became poorer and more corrupted because of him. Unlike Turkey it's also cutted from taking part of decision making on security in the region. Basically from being backbone of 4V and story of post-commie success, Hungary turned into worse version of Serbia.

>>523760084
Funny Baltshits lecturing about arrogance , the irony is palpable. EU is an institution full of arrogant unelected morons, as a Balt you have to suck up for the gibs so I understand

>>523747396
Orbán is a Russian agent. Hungary is a Russian puppet state not an independent state.

>>523747396
Based Orban just waiting to retake Bratislava once the boogie starts