>800k peace time army for the Ukraine>armed to the teeth with newest weapons supplied by NATO>it's maintenance assisted with money from NATO>all of it concentrated against RussiaSurely Russia will accept this lucrative offer."The first priority is a plan to bring the size of Ukraine’s military to a “peacetime level” of 800,000 troops, with up-to-date training and equipment, to serve as a strong deterrent against Russia. It has grown its army to nearly 900,000 during the war. By comparison, Germany’s army has about 180,000 armed troops.Building and maintaining such a force would require “sustained and significant support” for Ukraine, a joint statement by the leaders of 10 European nations and the top officials at the European Union said. One European diplomat said without specifying that the document lists “very concrete” details about military hardware that Ukraine needs."https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/world/europe/ukraine-security-guarantees-talks.htmlhttps://archive.is/A9Kfu
>>523753417>Surely Russia will accept this lucrative offer.You taken Donbas yet?
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Why would Russia accept that?The whole point of the invasion was to push NATO away from Russia.Not park 800K troops right on their doorstep permanently.
>>523756095They should've won the war then
>>523753417I sympathize with Russia in this conflict but what do Russians think about "unlimited numbers" of Indians being invited by Putin? Do Russians support this?
>>523753417What are security guarantees Russia can offer Ukraine?Promise to not invade? Russia already did 2 times and invaded after.
>>523756178Somehow, Russia "forgot" to do this part in many of its recent conflicts. Funny how big massive nation cannot send enough prisoners to die to shift the lines in any meaningful way. Seems spent at the start, which is why after the first months it's become a slow attrition.Why anyone takes these niggers seriously is beyond me. I don't feel threatened by fags who label musicians as terrorists lmfao elephant and mouse type shit is pathetic.
Ukraine is becoming a proxy NATO military base.FFS.You cant make this shit up.
Okraina is not the problem of the USA nor EU. Anyone claiming otherwise is either kikes or a glownigger. Dying for the interest of others is the most goycattle thing one could do
don't see why Russia would agree to this
>>523756456>Anyone claiming otherwise is either kikes or a glownigger.President Trump, European bureaucrats and BlackRock shareholders
>>523756352Somehow the West forget to give young people a fair deal and not treat them worse than slaves with no hope of ever having families.
>>523753417Accept it, or its to the last russian oil refinery, port, energy infrastructure and factory. And millions of more dead Russians, but Putin doesn't care about those, so that point doesn't matter.
>>523756456>my neighbours house burning is not my problem because I live two houses away. Who cares if fire spreads to my house.Supposedly new captcha filtered retards.
>>523753417why don't russians just nuke everything east of france. what the fuck the mutts gon do? risk a nuclear apocalypse? i think not.
>>523756456Doesn't make sense, US and EU are the countries who provided Ukraine with NATO and EU membership warranties in exchange for conflict with Russia.It's very much their and ONLY their business.
>>523756674Poles are Catholic Russians and the fire will spread using missiles and drones and not tanks you retarded subhuman.
>>523756660>Accept it, orHohols lack the ability to hold the line until the end of 2026. Russia will simply achieve victory by military means.
>>523753417If Putin continues to take it easy, his esteemed brown partners, whom Lavrov relentlessly courts to compensate for western isolation, will have their brains raped one by one with the new version of USAID, now run directly by talmudists from the US state department. It wouldn't take much to spread chaos in Central Asia.
>>523753417The violet death of every single Russian is the only acceptable peace plan.
>>523756837> next year we will win, for surehave been hearing that since almost 4 years now, and you are only 50km or so from the line in march 2022. lmao.
>>523756095>The whole point of the invasion was to push NATO away from Russia.Not according to putin or any other official. And the war already made Finland join NATO at their border.
>>523756837This time for real!
>>523753417Ukraine is just a giant grift perpetrated by Western governments in cohoots with weapons manufactures. Taxpayer money is being transferred to the Ukrainian Despots and weapons manufacturers who transfer a percentage of it back to the corrupt Western leadership. It all goes into (Surname) foundation slush funds. EVERY Western politician has one. The ones running the grift never want to the grift to end. In fact, they're always scheme for ways to turn millions into billions. They're salivating over the Russian frozen assets, but also over the pipe dream of dividing up Russia's resource wealth. They know they're destroying the Western world, but they couldn't give a shit. If it all goes bad, they just move somewhere else, taking all your stolen tax dollars with them.
>>523753417Let's let the corrupt losers of the war dictate the term of surrender. That's how it works.
>>523753417Dude if you're really Russian and not a VPNigger you know that until your goals are met (which at this point is either the takeover of Ukraine or it's surrender by exhaustion) there's never going to be any peace. The US and Europe can't enforce a peace without actively joining the war and at best our equipment slows you down. Zelensky knows this and Putin does too.So every "peace proposal" that's not a surrender will not do. You need as much land as possible to connect the Caucasus to Russia and some more buffer before an eventual invasion reaches your heartland.You'll have a headache in pacifying Ukraine but in time it will happen.But no peace unless total victory is the war goal of both sides, only that one can sustain it and the other isn't really capable
>>523756790>It is very much their and ONLY their businessThe same transhumanists subhumans who had to resort to homosexuals, niggers, spics and now the H1B1 voters because their popularity is waning? I'm still surprised their vassals hold faith in them. Then again, look at their voters, all delusional head cases.
>>523753417>Surely Russia will accept this lucrative offer.If you dont like it maybe you shouldnt have invaded. Also nukes in Sweden and Finland pointed at you. Until you stop acting like the friendly neighborhood nigger.
>>523756178You stupid motherfuckers will keep running your poorly defended mouths until a hypersonic missile crashes down in Berlin, you fucking idiot. Do you know why the American military is so strong? Because Americans LIKE to buy guns. Lots of them. Of all sizes. Whereas Germany has spent the last 15-20 years wagging it's finger and lecturing people about fucking EVERYTHING. I have slowly lost ALL respect I had for Europe in it's entirety. It's some unrecognizable totalitarian dystopia. And I want NOTHING to do with the polluted toxic ideology the EU is fomenting.
>>523756178>180k soldiersThe smart German thing to do would be shutting up. The Jewish thing to do would be provoke another front with the goal of millions of dead Germans conscripted a giant their will as a sort of Jewish humiliation ritual of endless vengeance for being held accountable once upon a time they've all never seen in their lives.
>>523756660Only two nations use females as combat units. Ukraine is one. Can you guess the other?
>>523756660>>523757548Hint:
>>523757400>If you dont like itWho says we don't, lol?
>>523757437This is your place in the world Ivan, dont you think it's time you started acting it?
>>523756587>Somehow the West forget to give young people a fair deal and not treat them worse than slaves with no hope of ever having families.You are no better than a nigger looking for a handout from reparations. NOBODY started out wealthy you stupid fuck. You are never going to amount to shit.
>>523756660>gold reserve peremoga \>egg peremoga>butter peremoga>oil refinery peremogayou lost tranny and the only peace deal the ukraine will get is ability to keep everything west of odessa should have accepted separation of Luhansk and Donetsk republics xDDD
>Trump Ukraine peace offerIt's not. It's russia's list of demands. Trump hasn't even read it.
>>523757610>Muh GDPTwo more coup d'état and Rome will be restored.
>>523757610I am am American you ignorant asshole. And I don't want to waste ANYMORE resources on some corrupt European shithole. I wish Putin would just do what I know Russia CAN do and end this war once and for all. I figure he's going so slowly is because a large part of Ukraine IS Russian. So he isn't doing what he should to end this. Which is obliterate the infrastructure of Ukraine. Blackrock is going to help rebuild it, remember? It's easy to make sweeping demands when you aren't footing the bill. Just let your rich, workaholic ally do it while you talk shit.
>>523753417>up to date training >natoLmaooooooooooooo
Ukraine should just cede territory and get EU/Nato membership and Russia should make a trade concessions with USA and EU so that trade strength with open markets keeps them from fighting? Most nations don’t invade trading partners who are economically and militarily equal.
>>523756660Another European talking shit that they CANNOT back up. Your military is a fucking joke. Trust me I know, I was stationed in Germany when I was in the army. Why? Why was I stationed in Germany after enlisting in the US army? That's is some fucked up shit.
>>523756178you will have to go back
>2 weeks after the monumental Thanksgiving ceasefire that GOP foreshadowed>0 pressure to do anything whatsoever is firmly back in placeWhat is kurwa's response?
>>523753417As an American, Cлaвa Poccии!
>>523756660lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooshitting bag status?
>>523757637wtf you must be a vpn
>>523753417They give up Donbass for what is essentially the situation already. It's a good deal imo
>>523757886>EU/Nato membershipNo. They bring nothing to the table, Why? Okay I have a better idea. The US needs to leave NATO. I am beginning to understand where Trump is coming from now. These motherfuckers do nothing but talk down to America and Americans while depending on OUR military and OUR money to defend a bunch of assholes we increasingly have NOTHING in common with anymore.
>>523757787>I am am Americanahahaha no my dear sleeper ivan
>>523757752Pic very much related this is what makes the Rothschild kikes seethe
why do all plans requires russia to be a sucker?
>>523757987Exactly. The Russians treat us better
>>523753417Europeans get to pay for the great ukranny army for the foreseeable future
>>523757989You're being an ignorant troll changes NOTHING about my reality. I WAS the US Military at one time. Me and a whole bunch of white bread corn fed Americans. America has 2 militaries. The one currently active and all the volunteers who have ETS's into the civilian world. It's like riding a bike, you don't forget. Shouldn't you be out fucking a reindeer or something to get cheese and milk?
Putin said he wants that shithole demilitarized. I guess he has to say it again for the hearing impaired.
>>523757787>>523757891>>523757987>>523758092why do you TYPE in such a FAGGY way?
>>523757787Do you really think going hurr durr mobilization for Ukraine is the way Russia can do or should do stuff? Nobody does that for some retarded skirmishes. If Ukraine can be safely dispatched by simply throwing stuff out of factory lines, that's optimal way to do this. Even if someone thinks it's 'too slow' or 'boring'. People can't be easily replaced in 2025, there is no surplus of humans that are not 50 IQ muslim jihadists, africans or indians. Taking out productive and stable members of society and sending them to the front lines to die is the same as loosing, you are harming yourself more than anything you'd ever hope to achieve by doing something like that. Only marginals/volunteers should be there.
>>523758164Russians are very erratic and emotional please understand
>>523758067Because NATO is using Ukrainian to kill around 1000 Russians daily right now. Ukraine probably loses more but for NATO they're just free meat
>>523758136Trump: Zelensky, you need to agree to something.>agrees to nothing Trump: Damn you Russia demand something less so Zelensky can sign a deal with you.
>>523758092hes no swedish
>>523758067Because they're not serious plans by serious adults.They're people with no clue what they're doing and basing the entirety of their foreign policy off of false reports from invested parties making big money off the continued slaughter of both sides.Look at Trump in 2016 and the middle east, his generals and intelligence officers were outright lying to him to continue draining the coffers.
A money sink. To make up for the loss if DEI
>>523758246this is cool, to the last ukranian
>>523756095That is the point, Russia will never accept it. The Europeans will get what they want. Trump is a fucking retard for allowing himself to get sucked into these games
>>523758246The Russian deturant for Americans is obviously not in an army but in Europe's helplessness to be nuked.
>>523753417LMAO, if Russia accepts they are retarded>>523757239Again with that meme shithole, Finland was rendered completely useless after the winter war
>>523758246Russia doesn't even lose 10 per day NAFOsis
>>523753417meanwhile, we're on day 350 of the "i will end the Ukraine/Russia war within 24 hours" promise Trump made to get elected
>>523757954not all finns are retardsin fact most of the ones posting here used to be smart
>>523758952i member spurdo timelinewhat the fuck happened
>>523759722Unfortunately tons of finns completely shut off their brains when it comes to russia. Not that I am fond of ruskies myself either, but I at least try to view the situation from some sort of objective lens rather than just going "muh putin is literally hitler" like so many of my fellow countrymen are doing.
>>523753550>You taken Donbas yet?Russia took the parts that it wanted in 2022. The new border has been defended against Ukraine for 3 years now.
