BRICS shills are finished
>>523835670MRAPS are more useful against civillian populations. They suck at modern war
>>523836143I thought MRAPS were created to counter ambushes against insurgent tactics?
Why would they buy shitty war of terror vehicles specialized in surviving IEDs?Are they second hand?Post a source or you're lying.
>>523836708You thought correct. They are dedicated counterinsurgency vehicles and excel at that role. In a conventional war though, MRAPS are kinda useless. Germany must be expecting some kind of uprising in the near future. Probably from their reinstatement of conscription.
>>523835670>exposed tires>exposed engine>crew left to be chased by dronesthese are just drone bait,
>>523836841AP 50 cal rips through them like butter though. Mobile 50 cal teams could annihilate these
Russia just develped a weapon to counter them
>>523835670Toyota Hilux is 50x cheaper and dose the same job.
>>523835670>Germany ordered 4,000 4×4 and 1,000 6×6 MRAPs from GDELSI read it as BRAPS I should leave this place
>>523837004massive overkill, mraps aren't armored
>>523836966Correct. Which is why, like I said, they are useless in conventional war. Insurgencies usually don't have widespread access to the kind of weaponry that can shred an MRAP though.
>>523837128yes they are, they can stop .50s
>>523836143>more usefulIt's most useful for the military-industrial complex.
>>523837004MRAPS are usually equipped with slat armor cages as a defense against RPGs. It's looks stupid as hell and causes visibility issues for the crew, but it is effective at stoping RPGs.
>>523836796The jewish women who controlled the final decision got convinced they were getting a good deal. They couldnt give a shit if the vehicles are useful or not
>>523837268will germany fit cope cages to their M-BRAPs?
>>523837339If Russia starts supplying the German insurgency with RPGs, then yeah.
>>523835670Germany has no money to "order" anything.Its militaristic plans are on paper only.
>>523837303The German defense minister is a man.
>>523837409they have your money, lmao
>>523837409No they dont. They wish they did, but cant use it.
>>523835670I see, and when are they scheduled to receive them?
>>523835670>mraps>gdelsis this a troll or are these real acronyms?
>>523837409Is it true Germany is now being portrayed as the biggest enemy of Russia in the Russian media. Kommersant said Merz is a descendent of Nazis who wants to exact revenge on Russia for WW2.
>>523835670>A $500 JDI drone with an RPG7 cable tied to it blocks your pathWhat now?
>>523836143>MRAPS are more useful against civillian populations.You can hardly call russians and their american servants a military.
>>523837658Nah, you will alaways remain the most despicably and vicious scum in our hearts. Germany is not taken seriously, we just make fun of Merz.
>>523836143>>523836796>>523836841Russians use a mass-conscripted peasant army, though.
>Germany ordered 4000 BRAAAPsNice drone fodder
>>523835670Why didn't they just use their own unimogs? They claim they're better than any thing else, yet buy shit from other countries.
>>523836143This. 4000 MRAPs is Germany signaling a war against the people, not against Putin.
>>523837689Bold words from a nation that issues broomsticks to its soldiers instead of actual guns.
>>523837768ukranians
>>523837479They are real. The military has a habit of using a shitload of acronyms. Instead of spelling out the full word first and thereafter using the acronym they just use an appendix, but news articles don't have appendices.
>>523837768Do they? They reformed their military in the 2000s to be all-volunteer with conscription a possibility for bigger wars. Exactly like the US.
>>523837689I'd criticize the German military, but it doesn't seem to exist.
>>523835670germany is preparing for the civil war against draft dodgers and hatespeech right wing extremists. these will be driven by private ngubu with a squad of akmets in the back to police the whyte bois. everyone knows the final stand of the EU governments is coming
>>523835670In current day drone wars this is as good as sitting in coffin with wheels.
>>523837827They would need to use planes fitted to transport unimogs if they ever wanted to fight an expeditionary war.
>>523835670kek, these are expensive targets on the modern battlefield. what a waste of money
>>523836708MRAPs can be used kinda like an APC.
>>523837827Because Germany claims their shit is awesome when it really sucks. That was proven in Syria when Turks using Leopard 2A5s and 2A6s (supposedly the best MBTs in the world) got absolutely BTFO by ISIS. And even outside of combat, those Leopards kept breaking down because their over-engineered engine couldn't handle getting a little dust and sand in it.
>>523835670You talking about the same General Dynamics that just made a BMP with 38% casualty rate just by riding in it?
>>523835670>New Goyim-mobile just dropped need it or drone it?
>>5238356704000 MRAPs like it's 2005. Great. They'll make great twisted hulks when the suicide drones hit them.
>>523838672the vibe in 2005 was more like this
>>523837915>>523837891They have extremely few well trained soldiers.Russian conscripts typically receive an initial basic training of 4-8 weeks and new Russian officers receive 3-4 months of training.It's Mass Conscription doctrine, while Ukrainians use drones and limited number of well trained soldiers to counter these mass attacks.
>>523835670>exposed wheels>exposed gunner>only has light armour panelsThese will only serve as drone bait, and the ones drones miss will be wrecked by anything Russia has with decent armour penetration.
>>523835670man, when we finally get to see what a hot ww3 looks like, its gonna be so fucking gay
>>523837080you're here forever.
>>523839869>lookThey definitely had MRAPs in 2005. They were a ubiquitous posterchild for the military industrial complex. Big, silly, and expensive.
>>523835670>destroyed by $200 drones and AT mines
>>523837872i guess the seething is unnecessary and germany is not a threat to russia
>>523840169>>523840203Cope. We will produce more, thousands and thousands more armored vehicles.
>>523837720Is that from the Crimean War where bongaliods defended roaches so you guys couldn't liberate Constantinopole?
Those look more for suppressing their own population than fighting a war against another military.
>>523841439>Noooo, STOP producing more weapons!!!Commies lost
>>523843616The commies are the ukrainians fighting an entire war with other peoples money and defaulting on every intrest payment to the EU. They are 3 months away from missing thier 4th 600 million dollar payment
>>523843964Ukraine is fighting on behalf of the civic developed world against the labor movement sociopaths
>>523844161Pretty sure to join the developed world you need elections. Faggot shill
>>523844358They are in a state of emergency due to an existencial war, you butt blasted Russian proletarian faggot shill
yes, the bradley square must grow.
>>523835670Auf Wiedersehen in Danzig
>>523844468>proletarian Those were the ukrainiansYou seem confusedFaggot shill
>>523844633>Auf Wiedersehen in Jekaterinburg, Bruder
>>523844717Ukrainians are much more civilized than Russians, the Western part of their country was part of the Austrian Empire.Not some hillbilly Siberian leper colony
>>523844861Aye. Spring break in the Uralshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spring_Awakening
>>523845007Let me guessYou love the faggot parades in Kiev
....It looks like cheap soviet garbage, frankly. Did germany order it or did the GDR?
lol 4000. doesn't the US have like 150.000 humvees and another 115.000 M113's? like half of those were sent to ukraine. 4000 lasts you like 2 months.
>>523841366no, in general. We consider Brits to be worse then jews (infact, they created modern Israel) and their filthy hands being everywhere, truying to saw discord and ruin. Even USA is basically "anglo saxon" spawn.
>>523845369As opposed to loving the faggot parades in moscow? lmao retard
>>523838482lol, imagine being so dogshit you make a 1980s Bradley look fucking amazing
>>523845318https://kitorestura.hu/letzte-funksprueche/>>523845369Let me guess, you love Israeli billionaires
>>523845472https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30jre652gvoCan u explain why they do this?
>>523845488Gay parades are illegal in RussiaThats what you faggots are seething about
>>523845554Hey hu fren, arent both sides owned by the same people?
>>523845627>gay parades are illegal in russiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Victory_Day_ParadeYou were saying? Fag
>>523837454Why shouldn't we use it? You owe us that money
>>523835670where are the cope cages, the newest tech
>>523845676Neither side is owned by the Jews, they are just sidekicks. Hitler hated the Jews because they were the lackeys of the Anglos and the Soviets.Currently, the Eastern Bloc is led by the Chinese though.
>>523845937>the Eastern Bloc is led by the Chinese thoughBut arent we in the EU?
>>523845862Nobody will invest in a Europe that seizes funds for ideological reasons. You will become pariahs and seen no differently to China, but without any of the things that let those with power tolerate China, like heavy industry and a real understanding of power.
>>523846055Good, I hope we stop trading with third world countriesSo theres no reason not to use the money then
>>523846123I hope we shut off the gas, shut off Siemens software updates, fuck over DHL, and revoke ASML's IP. Your entire logistical backbone can go fuck itself.
>>523845801how come your nigger filled rainbow flag country doesnt have victory day parades? no victories? kekaroo
>>523839901All those guys getting shoved into vans are the limited number of well trained troops?
>>523846123eu can't survive without trading, or you plan to reopen those coal mines
>>523846288We dont need gas we live in a cozy, perfect environment because god loves uspicrel is good enough, it's 10°!
>>523835670MRAPs have no place on a modern battlefield. They are only useful against lightly armed insurgents. Or, in the case of Germany, their own population in case of a rebellion.
>>523846381>you plan to reopen those coal minesI mean, yeah? Im not a Green retard
>>523846397Bad German, you're not supposed to use those! They're 'dangerous'!
>>523845554>https://kitorestura.hu/letzte-funksprueche/In 2010 I did my civil service. I was the last generation before conscription was abolished.On the one hand I made a mistake by not joining the army.But on the other hand I spent my time with many great old people. One of them was a soldier in the Waffen SS and one of the last defenders of Budapest. He told me how his unit was given the order to protect a hospital during the last days of battle.He told me "the worst was when the boys (soldiers) got their balls shot off. They were screaming like nothing else and many were begging for the last mercy". He said that he jumped from a bridge into the Danube to be carried away. The Russians were firing at him, but he had to pretend to be dead, he said. Somewhere 15 km outside the city he swam back onto shore.He was a very impressive man, weakened by old age, but his mind was still sharp as a blade.
>>523846558I'll be careful
>>523846348Yep>>523846603Russia never recovered, they have 100 million people (only 14 million in the Eastern half) to protect that huge open border. The country is a dead man walking.
>>523845801You are seriously delusional Seek help faggot
>Europeans are pro war in Europe >Europeans are anti war Venezuela Why are they like this?
>>523847737I'm pro-war in South America. Reclaim your continent. Godspeed, Anon!
>>523836841>>523836708>>523836796are they preparing for a draft?
$20k worth of drones out to deal with it.
if i go to war, i will only go to war to fuck americans. thats it for me.
>>523847833Tbh im anti war in both cases, I just don’t understand why Europeans naturally only want to save brown people while whites in other parts of europe deserve genocide.
>>523835670We usually share procurement with germany are we getting anything anon
>>523847950We are protecting other white countries, and I want to bomb brown people
>>523847905based schizophrenic kaiser enthusiast. >we will attack the american east coast because fuck america
>>523848005these are draft vehicles, retard. will klompes be drafted, i dont think so.
>>523835670we had to obey two premises:1. waste as much money as you can on the military industrial complex 2. continue being week and thus dependent on the american overlordso basically, all of the many hundreds billions euro in debt that we recently took will be spent on stuff like in OP
>>523848215not one rheinmetall factory is being built underground. these are not war preparations. these are preparations to send us into ukraine-esque drone fields.
>quick buy 10.000 troop transporters so we can draft them all in one week and send them all to die.>quickly import more nogs to replace uslooks like that to me.
Ukrainians use pickup trucks with mounted anti air guns as platform to shoot down slowly flying drones (shahed, gerbera and similar).If you look from that perspective, then MRAP makes some sense, as it can be used as fast response tool (can easily and quickly use highways), for long range drone control.Also, they have way excellent visibility. Which is often issue in IFV or APC. There that field of vision is way smaller.
>>523848068Do you really believe Russia wants invade all of Europe? Even now? It’s obvious they would fight for Crimea and possibly Ukraine in general. These regions are both historically important and strategically vital to them. >Black Sea fleet >gas pipelines run through Ukraine (Nordstream blow up)
>>523836708No. MRAPS are to reduce the casualty numbers from buried IED attacks. Thats it. They suck balls against insurgents raining fire from above, or other conventional armies with drones and ATGMs. See ukraine and Gaza for how they get wrecked easily by basically every weapon system, EVEN mines. Turns out being xbox huge and super duper tall is a major liability on the battlefield.
>>523839901>>523837768Russia doesn't sue conscripts in Ukraine you brainwashed subhuman. Every Russian there is a volunteer that has signed a contract. The Russian army hasn't crossed the border. You are so fucking dumb and ignorant it makes me physically sick to share a board with a piece of shit like you.
>>523837268Lmao, weve seen way too many burned out mraps in ukraine to believe that story. Slat armor provides some extra protection sure, but fundamentally the first target is usually never the crew. Its the engine and wheels. Those go and its a huge sitting coffin.
>>523835670Apparently there are still ukrainians that need to die on a frontline somewhere. Coffin manufacturing has never been more lucrative.
>>523837183only .50 cal mashinegunsany .50 cal sniper rifle with ap round go thru it below 500m the armor exist to stop small arms rifles and mortar fire shrnaprel, any russian tank with 14mm mashinegun shred it >>523837658>>523837689>>523837768it will be used in new "eu" german military to subdue countries trying to leave eu
>>523848206>5 concern troll posts about le draftYes 2 more weeks ivan
>>523835670
>>523835670>Military political stuff>"Shills for [Pure economics bloc] are finishedYou might be retarded.
>>523845462At the consumption rate weve seen 4000 lasts you around 10 days. These things are giant kill me signs. Low profile is VASTLY more survivable in a 24/7 ISR environment.
>>523848548isn't it incredibly dangerous to drive over all those bullets? doesn't seem like it has armor underneath the body.
>>523845937You are incredibly dishonest, Jew. On both sides, most of oligarchs are Jews, i know it, you know it, and we both know each other know it.Now fuck off kike. You just want to escalate a war you created to kill more whites.Litteral vermin. You people are beyond disgusting. No morals, no ethics, nothing that make a human decent.
>>523847398Cry more, you left wing emotional faggot
>>523845369i only love phaggot-parades in america <3
>>523848977how more obvious can it get!
>>523835670Lol too bad there is not people willing full to enlist
>>523849345then they just draft everyone.
>>523849441You meat taxi service like in ukraina? Good luck. People are not going to left their loved ones around the niggers
>>523836143That, the point Sergeant.The enemy is the people. AFD voters, to be exact.
>>523849180You are calling the VDay parade a gay pride event. Delusional is the only word that applies, tranny faggot shill
>>523849074You place that equipment in field, over which their drones will fly. In safe-ish distance from other cars, and take mental note where nearby housing are located. When you got allarm, you try to spot drone and shoot it down. It can be tens to hundreds kilometers from front lines. That is one of approaches how ukrainians manage to shoot down some of drones. Some other they neutralize with Electronis Warfare methods, by jamming their signals.To use MRAP as auxiliary unit, as fast response team. It can make way more difficult day for some units which try to infiltrate.When front line gets established, then their usability reduces. In Africa, they fought many wars on Toyota Hillux, and it was proven quite effective (in skirmish mode).Also, Germany is now increasing military spending. It is under question, which assembly lines are available at all. If other are already booked with other equipment (like IRIS-T), then to buy 4000k of MRAP makes even more sense.
>>523836143this, they will be the meat catcher wagons
>>523849656https://files.catbox.moe/avd6gi.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/avd6gi.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/avd6gi.mp4
>>523837409>Germany has no money to "order" anythingHow's the 25% mortgage rate Boris?
>>523849104Would you be so kind to look at Chinese state and company balance sheet totals? Then fuck off, you serf retard
Drone kills this
>>523835670Bunch of SUVs to bail out their failing auto makers?
>>523837080No brapping in the mrap under bio lockdown conditions or you will get sent on scout duty
>>523849863how can we still be up so high.
Russians also have used metallic bathubs attached to motocycle. As troop transport. Because there are more than 2 pictures, it indicates that they did tests and deemed it as good enough. If it works, it works.If you compare MRAP vs motorcycle, then in speed MRAP should have better performance, but in costs motorcycle gets way "more bang per buck". Depending how valuable troops are, then can go in one direction, or another.
>>523848814Seems as though mass deployment of dirt bikes and chink buggies really is the way forward. I always thought that carrying around 10 cunts to a vehicle was a bad idea even though the alternative requires more drivers that can't shoot while they're driving, it's not like the cunts getting shredded in the back of MbRAPs or Bushsniffers were doing much. >>523847227Okay, so you're not even trying to appear sentient.
>>523835670>4,000 4×4 and 1,000 6×6 MRAPs from GDELSSo 5000 vehicles. One drone costs like $200, so 5000 * $200 = $1,000,000, add to that a tolerance of 15% for inaccuracies and contingencies and you arrive at $1,150,000. How is anyone going to afford this gigantic sum of money?To fund this stupidity, the german govt is slashing NEETBUX, turning millions into russian sleeper agents from poverty desperation. People never learn and always go back to electing the black-yellow-blue-pale-red-green cartel and then wonder how things got so bad afterwards.
>>523850548Funnily enough, open top halftracks may be the way forward, were each infantryman serves as an antidrone shotgunned.
>>523851230If you join German Army, they will provide you with housing and food. And you will have access to guns. Will be able to LEGALLY go to shooting range and to exercise. And will be paid.No need for NEETBUX anymore.
>>523851463>If you join German ArmyIf they give me that without joining the army and getting shot holding a few square meters of foreign land, then it's a deal.
>>523851686Because USA is trying to withdrew from Europe, it is unlikely that european countries will be willing to participate in USA led campaigns as was in Iraq or Afghanistan. Because "homefront" in more danger. Which reduces chances to be pulled in some Israel related war. Still can happen (well, you live in Germany and know it better than me).If you really do not have nothing better to do. Like, completely out of options. It MIGHT be idea worth to exercise. Especially, if you like weapons and physical exercises.
>>523852030>It MIGHT be idea worth to exerciseThere's the local gym for that. No need to sign a contract requiring me to get riddled with bullets in a country most people couldn't even spell properly
>>523852290Are you going to that gym?
>>523845584>>523845472Making mischief is in our bloodhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/TkqgkXSHae8
>>523852349Normally yes, though it didn't fit into my schedule recently, but I think I'll resume it shortly. Though I am not doing it to sit insome forsaken trench, waiting for death, but just have more strength to face life.
>>523836708MRAPs were designed for such yes but they have the added benefit of being more survivable also.Land rovers were considered such a deathtrap against mines that even the open top jackal was considered far better for the kind of war they were fighting.Basically any vehicle intended to be going in and around combat has to have a V-shaped hull + some armour.
>>523852477>Normally yes, though it didn't fit into my schedule recently, but I think I'll resume it shortly.Try to find the time, when flu pandemic ends. And keep it going.
Are there any fully ethnic germans left? The Moscolites raped every woman in germany after WW2.
