Where the fuck did all of this come from? And dont just tell me "it came from the big bang anon" I mean where did all of that come from?They say the universe started from some singularity but where did that shit come from? Who or what made it? Did random shit just pop into existence out of nothing one day? Where did literally everything come from!!!!It doesn't make a lot of sense to me its like nothing should even exist. There is no explanation! You guys are pretty smart. I would like to hear your explanation for why everything exists and where it came from. I think this post has political implications too.
>>523846474We don't know. Most likely never will. One of many secrets of the universe. We don't even know what's beyond the observable universe.
>>523846474>I mean where did all of that come from?Source. All that is came from source. Matter is energy, and therefore what we call the universe is holographic and a simulation generated by consciousness.
>>523846474the implication is that humans would be able to understand the answer even if you got it.it would be like trying to explain to your dog how a CPU works.
>>523846474There’s no such thing as time. Just perpetual change. You’re here forever.
>>523846474It's really fucking simple to know God is real.Let’s use some logic:A1a: we live in a causal universeA1b: every effect has a causeA2a: if we follow that chain back far enough we reach “the beginning of our universe”A2b: If an in-universe cause preceded this, it is not “the beginning of our universe”Therefore our universe began with an external cause;B1: premise A1 is foundational to discerning truth through scienceB2: premise A2 is a tautology.Therefore arguing against A requires you to argue against the validity of the foundation of using science to discern knowledge.Since we have proven logically the necessity of an outside of universe creator/creation force that's the best answer you can expect since we know all empiricism is limited to the natural world. Anything beyond the natural physcial world is literally supernatural and describing it or proving anything about it's nature is impossible by definition. Assigning this external creation force with a proper pronoun starting with a capital "G" makes atheists seethe.
>>523846474Best explanation I have heard is that such questions only exist in the human brain. Time, space and casualty only exist in our brain so this question may seem valid to us but in reality it is an invalid question
>>523846474Goy fucked upThis time we are in the digital age. Goy have always tried to exterminate us and God always saved us and empowered usHowever the goy have not gotten proof of their barbarism, now you wont be able to gaslight us into>yeah we pogrom you because YOU are bad>we persecute you but its your fault>the holocaust didnt happened but it should haveThis time your sick goyim gaslighting will be muted because we have digital proof of everything you have done and everything you will continue to doThis next holocaust will be the last, for youSo go ahead do your worst retarded fucking goyWe already won
>>523846474There is no reason whatsoever to think it came from anything or that it started at some point in time other than the human deficiency of trying to force everything into a cause and effect scenario.
>>523846474https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynbtg6OuZo0
>>523846637how the fuck have we been alive for thousands of years and we dont even know where we came from or what we're actually living in?
You and the sons of your sons for all eternity will have to see where they came fromNo more gaslighting no more fake realityJudgement day is coming
>>523846474it came out of your assinb4 stupid questions --> stupid answers
>>523846718sorry but Im not going to allow brazilians in this thread you people are way too retarded for this
The Creation of the World1 In the beginning[a] God[b] created[c] the heavens and the earth.[d]2 Now[e] the earth[f] was without shape and empty,[g] and darkness[h] was over the surface of the watery deep,[i] but the Spirit of God[j] was moving[k] over the surface[l] of the water.[m] 3 God said,[n] “Let there be[o] light.”[p] And there was light! 4 God saw[q] that the light was good,[r] so God separated[s] the light from the darkness. 5 God called[t] the light “day” and the darkness[u] “night.” There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.[v]6 God said, “Let there be an expanse[w] in the midst of the waters and let it separate water[x] from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it.[y] It was so.[z] 8 God called the expanse “sky.”[aa] There was evening, and there was morning, a second day.9 God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place[ab] and let dry ground appear.”[ac] It was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land”[ad] and the gathered waters he called “seas.” God saw that it was good.11 God said, “Let the land produce vegetation:[ae] plants yielding seeds and[af] trees on the land bearing fruit with seed in it, according to their kinds.”[ag] It was so. 12 The land produced vegetation—plants yielding seeds according to their kinds, and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. God saw that it was good. 13 There was evening, and there was morning, a third day.
>>523846474Didn't anyone ever tell you to dream for the stars?
14 God said, “Let there be lights[ah] in the expanse[ai] of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs[aj] to indicate seasons and days and years, 15 and let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” It was so. 16 God made two great lights[ak]—the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night. He made the stars also.[al] 17 God placed the lights[am] in the expanse of the sky to shine on the earth, 18 to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness.[an] God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening, and there was morning, a fourth day.20 God said, “Let the water swarm with swarms[ao] of living creatures and let birds fly[ap] above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” 21 God created the great sea creatures[aq] and every living and moving thing with which the water swarmed, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them[ar] and said, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth.”[as] 23 There was evening, and there was morning, a fifth day.24 God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: cattle, creeping things, and wild animals, each according to its kind.”[at] It was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the cattle according to their kinds, and all the creatures that creep along the ground according to their kinds. God saw that it was good.26 Then God said, “Let us make[au] humankind[av] in our image, after our likeness,[aw] so they may rule[ax] over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth,[ay] and over all the creatures that move[az] on the earth.”
27 God created humankind[ba] in his own image,in the image of God he created them,[bb]male and female he created them.[bc]28 God blessed[bd] them and said[be] to them, “Be fruitful and multiply! Fill the earth and subdue it![bf] Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that moves on the ground.”[bg] 29 Then God said, “I now[bh] give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the entire earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.[bi] 30 And to all the animals of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has living breath[bj] in it—I give[bk] every green plant for food.” It was so.31 God saw all that he had made—and it was very good![bl] There was evening, and there was morning, the sixth day.
Ignore everyone else’s retarded and superstitious comments. There’s no such thing as Time, just constant change. Someday this Universe will impode on itself creating another Universe. YOU ARE HERE FOREVER!
>>523846474It was farted into existence
ITT antisemites love Jewish lore
How do you know you're in a dream?> You don't remember where you came fromSimulated world.We're in a gay fucking computer.
>>523846966You are not made in God’s image.
>>523846474I operate under the belief of collective creation through perception. The world will adjust how it operates on a whim based on what we discover, know, and believe. Modern scientists are writing reality through their certainty of discovery and figuring it out, and (you)r faith that they're right
>>523846928based and irrefutable pilled.
>>523847164Humans are young in the great scheme of things. We only barely formed a society and developed scientific research a few thousands (more seriously, hundreds) years ago. That's basically nothing. And some things are just impossible to find out, like, no matter what.
>>523847366Sure thing Muhammed, go rape kids and fuck goats
>>523846474There is no viable explanation.Humanity is only smart enough to comprehend a Creator.Anything other than that makes absolutely no sense.Even if Big Bang real, you still need a Creator.
>>523847366Yes we are. Like disk images. Not the body. The shape and architecture of the mind.
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>>523846809good post
We created the universe when our ancestors created the first telescope.The simple act of observation altered reality and the universe was born.
>>523846928>every effect has a causeAll you’ve done is added another layer with the outside cause. Trace your cause and effect of the god back to its origin if you really think that is a logical truth.
Why are guys so obssessed with our lore? Why dont you debate if Eru Illuvatar is real or not? Did Numenor really exist?
>>523847459Your Moshiach will never arrive.
A subplanck singularity is the current theory,but why did that exist is impossible to figure out
>>523847805You jews really are blind huh? It's been explained to you for 2000 years and you just ignore it over and over again, you simply must be unable to see, your eyes are broken
>>523847826You will never be able to create a civilizationYou are only good for killing your brotherCompare The West to the Arab countries lol. Arabs only developed because of oil and still having 2 billion people and all the money in the world you savage fucking animals cannot form a peaceful civilization
>>523847932The third temple will never be built.
>>523847922Jesus is my brother not my God, you idolater retard
>all that hebrew lore ITTi find it hilarious that a finitely complex structure like the universe just needs the creation of an infinitely complex entity to create it. it- it just NEEDS ok???!
>>523848022Just watch me Muhammed, Ill bring down that fucking mosque myself with a sledge hammer
>>523846474>I mean where did all of that come from?>Grug cannot imagine big, therefore Jesus amirite?
>>523848050The cornerstone you cast out, his blood was claimed upon your heads by your forefathers.Jesus is the ideal you reject, he was plain as day your messiah and you killed him, and yet you try to claim him as your own after you rejected him?Your eyes don't work
>>523846474Only midwits think we have a grasp on reality. We don't even know what "particles" are made of. We are surrounded by ancient structures that we have no idea how they were made. We constantly prove our modern medicine to be false, and our astronomy has so many holes in it one would think the universe is just a giant block of Swiss cheese. But as long as we have celebrity scientists, all is well in the midwit world.
>>523847486where did the creator come from? something had to have created him right? how? from where?
>>523846474simulation we are experiencing on a borg ship as our bodies are rebuilt/upgraded
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>>523846474If we can get to AGI / Artificial Super Intelligence / The Singularity it may be able to figure it out. It may not be able to explain it to us though. Read Asimov's "The Last Question"
>>523848254no no anon, you don't understandit stops at the creator because it would be uncomfy to think furtheryou see, the creator is super special and he doesn't need his own creator, because he's just that kind of special guy and everything starts and stops at him it just does, okay, why you gotta press the issue?
>>523846474>Where the fuck did all of this come from? And dont just tell me "it came from the big bang anon" I mean where did all of that come from?Best I can tell is the only way it makes sense on that scale is if we throw away the idea that its all linear, and that the Universe has been, and always will be. From what we can see nature and the Universe is highly fractal, it is a fundamental feature of what we see. But all fractals require a starting seed so that's a bit contradictory.The only way I can square this hole is that there was never a beginning, or end, it always just has been. On our human scales we know that something cannot come from nothing unless you talk about virtual particles and other woo woo quantum stuff. So there's a chance that the Universe just operates like that, that nothing is a human concept like mathematicians always debated the concept of zero in the past.
>>523848254No, not really there's nothing impeding the creator to exist from nothing.
>We are only 11 years away from immortality (biological senescence arrested, telomeres capped)Just wait nigger, we'll get to live for at least 11.9 billion years as of 2034.
>>523846474jewish physics arent realthis is probably a punishment simulationand the jews are the game wardensthe right answer to everything is to destroy the jews utterly and to the last, then the real discovery can begin.
>>523848480>immortalityjust imagine the absolute bloodshed over access to this
>>523846474>Where the fuck did all of this come from?having a beginning and an end is a human idea. The universe probably just exists and has forever and we don't know why. What's more interesting is the question of how we came into existence.
>>523848436Same could be said for everything a creator is credited for, it just is. Seems like a superfluous step to toss a creator in.
>>523848535It's a simple nanobiote injection, the rich niggers just need a speck of blood spilled due to the nano reproductive capability
>>523846637>>523847164>>523847445>wewhat is with this fucking "we" shit?focus on what YOU know personally, and stop using "we" when jews told you what "we" know. so tried of casual use of 'we" as if it represents 8 billion humans.such a jewish thing to imply consensus.
>>523848662>It's a simple nanobiote injectionit would probably cost billions to develop and then millions to buy also imagine the population density and Earth's resources implications if every Tom Dick and Harry could just keep on living foreverand then the niggers, jeets and chinks would want some it sounds great, but it's bad news bears IRL
>>523846474> "it came from the big bang anon"no, it came from the big daddy anon
>>523848742We all agree with this post, thanks for saying it.
>>523846474The universe is a projection of god consciousness to express itself in actuality. Creation is the ultimate act of self love and determination on gods behalf, obviously overcoming the fact god seems to be all alone for eternity. Time and space are illusionary. God is in every single sub atomic particle to experience and observe itself in infinite ways. You are a created being, one of infinite, that exists inside gods enormous imagination. God is more than the sum of the infinite beings in its imagination.
>>523846474What makes you think you deserve to know?
>>523848856Completely correctSure in the far future it'll be a simple procedure but now it's only for a few hundred in secret
>>523846474>They say the universe started from some singularityit is not what they actually say
>>523848897>Creation is the ultimate act of self love and determination on gods behalfFucking gooner spooge? We have to be more than that.
>>523846474That isn't all that much, it's just a few colored dots and some lines.
>>523847164How many thousands of years do you think it will take for ant colonies to learn about the history of earth? You would never expect them to figure it out, right? So why do you expect that a bunch of just barely self aware apes to figure out the origin of matter and existence itself?
>>523848550It still had to come from somewhere bro
>>523849141What makes you think ants don’t have a complete understanding of such things?
>>523846474Allah
>>523849197Why? Serious question.
>>523847399Schooling Globers - Episode 34 (The Core of the Globe Belief)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTIFsHH5i6U&t=7544sMiddle Groundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUa2LlnVOH4&list=PLoeKBeKeoPx5quWw74GYIJjVQY4hAxbkf&index=2Relatively Speakinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIyGmw2iM1I&list=PLoeKBeKeoPx4ASWZ9nQiBxLJUFzAz6Tpg&index=14The Earth is NOT Flat After Allhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2YMZMOjz-c&t=1066s
>>523846474yhwh
>>523849271because nothing can just exist for no reason it all has to come from somewhere.
>>523846718Well where'd Source come from then? Stop acting like you know. I'm embarassed for you.
come on anons if we put our brains together we can probably figure this out
The globe is pure secret society pseudoscience.Model references, assumed calculations, unproven theories and fallacies don't count as empirical evidence.The ballers need real empirical evidence if they expect people to entertain their magic floating ball.People who believe in the globe and space exploration science are mentally ill.
>>523849379Believing that may very well be what limits us from greater understanding.
>>523849016The universe is masturbation in one perspective. Wait for the afterlife orgy when we’re done with our shift in this simulation. Hint, gods imagination is unlimited and we live inside it.
>>523849379> nothing can just exist for no reasonThis is true for human understanding but objectively we could be wrong.
>>523846474The universe is just a thought.
>>523849197Why? Because YOU said so?
>>523849379
>>523849646Be dead faggot.
>>523849630
>>523846474The big bang is just the other end of a black hole from a higher dimensional plane. The laws of physics on the other side of the big bang are exotic and incomprehensible because it’s literally a different plane of existence. There is no hope to truly understand how the big bang got there because it would require information to travel through a black hole from a universe that doesn’t resemble ours. The best we can hope for, at least in our lifetime, is wild guesses
>>523849379Let's say it came from somewhere/someone/something, and we 100% unquestionably figure it out.Where'd THAT come from?
>>523846474People think of the big bang as a one time deal that encompassed the totality of the universe. But it's happened multiple times, it's localized (on the scale of the universe, that is), and it will happen again.Everything is infinite.
>>523846637>We don't even know what's beyond the observable universe.more universe, it's logical, it never ends, it's infinite
>>523849609>nothing can just exist for no reasonThat's the paradox.You can never prove "Nothing" without an observer.
>>523846474Consciousness is the fundamental reality. The physical world is an illusion, a virtual reality that only exists in our minds. We are Individuated Units of Consciousness: immortal, interconnected parts of a Larger Consciousness System. We chose to be players in the virtual reality game called life on Earth, set in a virtual universe computed by the system to aid our consciousness evolution. In this game we are the choice-makers for our virtual bodies: we use our free will to make choices that express our quality of consciousness. Our quality is accurately reflected by the intent motivating each choice (selfish/fear-based vs selfless/love-based). Our goal: to learn from the outcome of our choices in order to grow up and evolve the quality of our consciousness from fear to love. By evolving our individual consciousness quality from one round of the game to the next, we advance the evolution of the entire consciousness system.
>>523849702You sound mad
>>523849711>old dead dude wrote something>must be true!
i'd suggest spending a little time with an AI like Grok or Claude, on this subject. Its very interesting because we don't know the why, we dont know the how, and we dont know the full field of questions
>>523849714Prove it. While you're at it, prove black holes are real, and not just something theoretical physicists made up so their equations work.
>>523846474if your mind gets quiet enough, you can actually see where everything is coming from. it's quite literally coming from nothing and nowhere. this is not a joke, that is what is happening. it's bizarre
>>523846474Do you seriously think there's only one universe? And there's only one world, too?
>>523849888You sound dumb.
>>523849938Then why would AI?
>>523849711This always makes me wonder in how many ways are we incapable of perception, completely lacking the sensors required or even the ability to process whatever perceptions should artificial sensors be available. If you could put artificial eyes on a tree it still wouldn’t be able to see. It also makes wonder if all of experiences since birth, all that we learn from others, languages we acquire, are a trade off, surrendering our ability to perceive without bias in exchange for determinations of others.
>>523847164>how the fuck have we been alive for thousands of years and we dont even know where we came from or what we're actually living in?it's the worst case scenario.we're on our own, noone told us what the fuck we're living in. we'll die one day, and our planet will be wiped out with the sun's demise.your biggest nightmare came true. you meant nothing before you were born, you mean nothing on earth, and you will mean nothing after you die. We all fucking lose.
>>523849888Checked, but I was just testing your claim.
>>523846474The terrible truth is we are all Not Surehttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/EOhXmWXR5_E
>>523846474we don't know. but with the power of religion, you can pretend to know
>>523846474It didn't come from anywhere. It was always there, inside Brahman. The universe and everything in it is a manifestation of Brahman. We are all fragments of Brahman.>The pure Non-Being, or the unmanifested (avyakta) Brahman, without any distinguishing qualities or attributes (nirguna) is the First principle. Variously described as the Ancient and the one without a beginning and without an end and the one without a second, very little indeed is known about this Eternal, Imperishable, and the unchangeable principle.
>>523850118>mUh InFiNiTe ReGrEsSiOnAbsolute cope. Atheists are profoundly retarded
>>523850374Infinite is just the other side of origin. Both are cope for those that can’t handle ignorance.
>>523847234>>523847279>>523847313Please take your Jewish fairy tales and stick them up your ass.
School dropout question.Current theory is quantum fluctuations, every theory has solid math behind it but if you can't do elementary school maths then its pointless to try to explain it to you, maybe try some youtuber that explain shit to dummies
>>523847223Imagine being American and calling someone else retarded.
>>523846637>first post is actually not /pol/rotten and it's the correct answerdamn son, impressive, i hope you won't die in the next war
>>523850120I’m embarrassed for uou
>>523849392It always existed and fractured itself into other consciousnesses. I'm embarrassed that discussing theories on the universe make you so upset.
>>523846474>Did random shit just pop into existence out of nothing one day?Literally yes.Reality work on probabilities.Probability of random spike of near infinite energy for no reason is, as you can imagine, nearly fucking 0.Nearly fucking 0 isn't none tho, and it's not like the non-universe had anything else to do but wait an infinite amount of time.
>>523846474I just realized recently if you stood on the surface of a neutron star you'd be able to look up and see all of existence all at the same time because of how light bends around the star and allows you to see what's visible on the other side while on it's surface. Amazing, huh?
>>523846474A single vibration, the word that brought the everything into the nothing to bring us something, we are and are measuring that something now.
>>523850231What claim do you think I was making?
>>523850557Solid math is easy when you can just make up variables and pretend they are real.
>>523850796show me someone who looks like that and says that
>>523846474Who knows. Mystery. I was in a plane last month looking out the window and we were above the clouds and it looked very cool looking down on tops of the clouds. And I thought man people must have been wondering what was above the clouds for like hundreds of thousands of years and came up with all sorts of fantasies about Gods and stuff living up here but yeah it is just more sky and more clouds.
>>523850870Words are magic.
>>523850557'A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.'
>>523846474Real answer here:The biggest visible lever is gravity, material under the influence of gravity creates the visible universe. The big bang has all appearances of a concentrated gravity well, a black hole from another universe, that spat out this universe as radiation. Gravity is kin to electromagnetism, basically any interaction or friction between particles. With unlimited time, even the most diffuse energy field can become organized, resulting in higher and lower energy states. So just like in our universe, the big bang probably built up energy from an enormous area of galactic dust and empty space. It's extremely tempting to say the previous universe looked just like this one, there's no way to know, but the beginning of beginning was probably an eternal nothingness of space dust and minute energy fields. The creation of energy has never been observed. All we see are diffuse fields concentrating into high-energy areas, so it makes sense that the origins of everything were progressively more empty. There's no reason to believe in a single event to begin it all either.
>>523850374Atheists? My religion teaches that the number of worlds is infinite
>>523846474Hey retard look at the raw image rather than that artists retouch with added flair the raw images look exactly like looking at the night sky with you own eye.you fell for fakes.
>>523846474>The UniverseIs bullshit.You live in a snow globe.Deal with it manchild.
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>>523850796Lol. Söyence niggers pushing muh randomness slop from the Copenhagen interpretation as if they're the gatekeepers of knowledge deserve to be mocked every single time.
>>523846474Everything always existed, existence is the natural state of the universe, non-existence is a concept we came up with that exists only in the minds of humans in conceptual form but is not demonstrated in reality. Thats the issue you have is you're thinking non-existence is a tangible state and not a just a concept.
The big bang.Leave it to Jews to sexualize the creation of the universe.God jizzed and the universes were created.........
>>523846932What, do planets not orbit their suns in so many clocklike movements? Do living things themselves not evolve over time? Time is outside our heads. In fact, a ton of it passed before we had heads. Lolwut
>>523846474It's technically God the Creators body I think.The ethereal Creator first, he then created creation which is also a dwelling for his spirit thus his body.The universe is the Creator and the Creator also made all of it that's why it all just sort of works when it comes to everything physics/laws of the universe wise etc etc.
>>523850838>>523850881https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5.pdf
Look inside a petri dish. There's a universe in an imperceptible speck. An atom, same. A quark, a preon. And of preon, more that is yet to be discovered. Preon, from the infinity of all around this rotating speck the entirety of the planet isn't even a preon and you the inhabitants perceptually non-existent. Compare yourself to a tree so tiny. A tiny little that pollutes in order to obtain artificial things, produce artificial things, pursue artificial things and solely focus on currency to obtain artificial things while living in a natural life sustaining terrarium. You are the studied speck in the dish. Introduce a water bacteria being controlled by a brain to see if it chooses natural or the pursuit of knowledge. Chose knowledge, and within that the pursuit of things, on the way to seeding technology. Technology a wholly useless thing on a terrarium speck. Totally useless. You fulfilled the seeding. Now you are obsolete. The experiment concludes and the subject matter destroys itself.
>>523851135Didn't other religions have sexual origin stories and then the Jews invented an asexual nonhuman God>muh kabbalalong time after that
>>523851135>name invented by atheists to mock "creationist" theorypeak reddit
>>523851246"time" is simply how we measure/perceive entropy
>>523850876>>523850972Here comes the uneducated pigs that can't calculate sinus.Here cupcakes, tell me whats wronghttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0370269398010879
>>523846474God did, God made everything that is bro.
>>523850959Yea, you got it wrong
The weird thing is as you trace back to the big bang, time slows down until it pretty much freezes at the start of it all. Also the big bang didnt expand into empty space, it IS space and just expanded outward. At the far reaches of the universe, we can see an imprint from the big bang, its called cosmic background radiation and the expansion of the universe stretched the light from the big bang into microwaves, surrounding us in every direction at the very end of the visible universes expansion because space is expanding faster than the speed of light. Its almost like the big bang is still happening, and youre in it
>>523846474I was really long run querying Grok on this subject and found out, with the usual warnings about AI lying, that it's apparently a popular theory right now that the universe is infinite and always has been? Like the "big bang" is more a theory of proto... stuff in the form of energy being super close together then rapidly expand away from either other, but it was always infinite in scope. If that were true then there's quite likely a multiverse, but in one universe. There's literally infinite galaxies and eventually you're getting copy and past jobs where there's Milky Way Galaxy ver. 616 where things have mostly happened the same as this area of the universe, but everyone has a cowboy hat or something.I find this idea extremely weird and rather unsettling so I want to share. Also it's funny it's the conservative and more orthodox interpretation of modern cosmology/physics.
>>523851432Are black holes real? Is dark matter real? Is dark energy real? Are these not all just names given to concepts assigned whatever mathematical values were required to make the math of theories work after observations proved them faulty?
>>523851425Karma, not entropy.
>>523851723>Is dark matter real? Is dark energy real?Why wouldn't they be, especially since they're observable and measurable?
>>523846637>>523846474>>523846718You're in a fucking black hole Those are all atomsEarth is an electron
>>523851531>everythingabrahamic religions are so weird about this. If you mean our consciousness and what we think about and act on then why not just go for a pre-abrahamic belief? Where fate is actually driven by the Gods and not by mortals.
>>523851342>atheists:Jews who do not believe in the GOD of Abraham but consider Kabbalah science.
>>523851769this is a stupid popsci concept. What was the first black hole then?
>>523846474Since most "proven" science ends up being debunked, the estimate I am about to make is just as certifiable as any science. I estimate that the universe never "began" there is nothing to show that a big bang or an equivalence occurred. I will not be able to answer your question about where it came from, because I don't think it came from anywhere. I think it has always been here. It has always existed. There is no perpetual crunching of the universe and rebirth, there has only ever been one singular universe it is unchanging in it's scale and material, and we have only "observed" it expanding and conjured the big bang theory because we actually do not understand how the universe functions. It is just as likely that the universe has always been the same size and all material within it gradually shrinks to give the illusion of universal expansion. We are no different from things on the quantum scale, to understand our universe, you must observe the inverse, the quantum realm.
>>523851723They seem to be like toxins and blackheads produced by the body during natural operation.The universe being Gods body it makes sense they are left over toxins from healthy processes of his body.
>>523851768Mathematically sound orreries were made showing all known celestial bodies moving through the sky revolving around the earth. Gaps of knowledge were filled in with whatever math was required to continue a flawed theory. We are doing the same now, maybe in error and maybe not. Dark energy isn’t observable. Nobody observed dark energy then began to measure it, rather flaws were found in calculations and in order to rectify them for a desired answer variables were added then given names.
>>523851860Ayylmaos LARPing as "gods" is fake and gay, also cringe as fuck that people still believe in shit like this.
>>523846474>dont just tell me "it came from the big bang anon" ...they almost never stop to ask where the stuff to go "Big Bang" came from, anon.
>>523852348It all probably has always existed and the universe goes through cycles where it expands until it's rate of expansion slows down enough that it cannot counteract the gravity of all the matter in the universe so it's rate of expansion slows until it stops and reverses and it all falls back in on itself into a single point until that point has enough mass and energy to big bang outwards and restart the cycle again.
>>523846816>>523846474It's a perpetual loop.Universe expands, collapses back into a "singularity"/bounce state, then repeats.So there isn't a real "before", time is just part of the cycle. It didn't "come from" anywhere, it just is.
>>523852625>>523852535WtfWe're gonna get scolded again, time it better next time
We probably can't know the answer. You can ask why forever and at some point you hit the wall of some kind of brute fact, whether that's god, the big bang, a simulation, whatever your perspective rests on.
>>523851910it accumulated from an even bigger and shittier empty space with grit in it. The first universe was just dusty space forever
Impossible to find out unless there is a physical explanation which we have no way to verify at the moment. Impossible to also tell if what our consciosuness picks up is even the limit of it. For all we know we are simply uinable to perceive anything larger.
>>523852625Makes sense pretty cool I guess.
>>523852890You got the sloppy seconds.
>>523852625>>523852535Nice fucking timing, agents. Space-time psyop Supervisor's gonna love this.
Foilhat theoryIt was always there, all of it. Most of it is just uniterractable state and exists in a singularity. The question is how did the matter become interractable. Maybe a single event from a single point caused a propagating event that is still ongoing making more and more of the interractable matter. The space is constantly being inflated. Like a balloon that gets pumped more and more air into. And we observe the surface.Everything that currently exists is byproduct of being seperated from infinite potential energy.
>>523847677A computer that has never ending shortcuts cannot exist, the computer references an eventual destination that is finite within the context. There isn’t an infinite daisy chain extending in both directions consisting of shortcuts of a file that doesn’t exist. These files do not physically exist either way, its energy repurposed within the context. A finite universe, which has been proven already fundementally via the law of conservation and the mere presence of relativity, proves God is real, is uncaused and doesn’t require creation to exist. Circular reasoning is only ever defined as illogical, under the assumption that eternity or concepts of uncaused cause exist. The moment you start implying that the entity you are referring to is self reliant on light of relativity, atheists get as hurt because they want to imply that the standards in which things currently exist in context must ALWAYS apply to everything that can be interacted with within it. Otherwise, they assume it doesn’t exist, this. Isn’t. Science. Its confirmation bias pretending to be rational under the pretext of deciding what can be real without even being able to test it.
>>523853634Expanding, lol.
>>523846474OM. Mind over matter, look up and look down.
>>523846474For you to be able to ask this question the universe has to exist and with these exact laws.I cannot go any further into it. At some point something came from nothing. There was a first cause. Theism actually doesn't help you at all with this question. You still haven't explained what caused god.
>>523851127High IQ reply
The fact is, we're pushing the extreme limits of what reality can support. It's one thing to study outer space, to gather all physically accessible data and even theorize about what we can't see. It's fine to mentally project back to the beginning of time, forward to the end, and sideways to the edge of the universe and beyond, that's fine. However once we've reached the pre-universe state, having deliberately exceeded time and space, the expectations need to ease up in terms of what may be out there. Even the idea of an eternity of cyclical change, that sounds like life on earth. That sounds like projection. Once you do everything in your mental power to escape the universe, don't expect to find much.
>>523849833>it's infiniteso you want to go down that path?oktell me how many compination of atoms existtell me at what point the same compination of atoms exist when space is infinitive.are you telling me, you already told me this in a different unviersum?
>>523846474It eitger is eternal (and so came from nothing, just is) or came from something/is apart of something eternal. That is all we can be certain of. Not satisfying, because whatever the root eternal element is (be it god, part of a greater system, or just the chaotic matter and energy as we see it) that eternal root element has no justification for existing instead of stable, evenly distributed nothingness. It just, for no reason except that it is, is. And whatever it is, it is ALL, and completeness certainly includes complete consciousness I would think.It is everything at all places and all times, perhaps such as if you collapsed the multiverse. It just is. I Am That I Am, perhaps. No beginning and no end, yet plays the of both itself from the persprctive of its creations, as its wholeness of itself marks the areas between creations. Creations which are divisions of its completeness, or perhaps where it seperates off a part of its wholeness to observe, or perhaps simply for company. You will find no better answer, you can't.
>>523853952You will find singularity there. Everything, everywhere all at once.
>>523854146the big bang was just a black hole in another universe, but the trend of everything falling into a gravity well arose out of a void of empty space that just rubbed grits together over infinite time.
>>523846474Consciousness causing the emergence of a holographic universe from the quantum foam. Observation causes probability to become potential.
>>523846474It's pretty fucked up honestly because everything we know about it is that... yeah it just came from some "big bang" and the expansion of matter throughout the universe can be measured back to a point source. The strangest part is why things don't equate back to zero, like why matter and anti-matter levels don't seem to equate. I think maybe this can be attributed to something like a sign wave, which over its average cancels out but at an instantaneous point you can have a net positive or net negative value representing the ratio of matter to anti-matter. The zero point (node) of the wave is a state of only boson (like photons) existence and the crest of the wave would be exclusively fermions (protons, neutrons) in a heat death state.
>>523846928Gay
>>523854481>The strangest part is why things don't equate back to zeroHumans are the variable and we take the measurements.
>>523846474It's all here before and it will all be here after.It exists in waves and dimensions we may not understand now as we are in a deep physical reality. When we change and leave this body we can key into a different dimensionality and experience a different outlook.Like being a newborn child now and unknowing the wisdom and experience if a person like a two hundred years old wizard.The more we see, the less we know.
>>523846809>it would be like trying to explain to your dog how a CPU works.This.
>>523846474Time is a closed loop. And matter pours in and out of black holes or something. But if material reality is some sort of manifestation/simulation, then it's like being in a dream and asking where the dream came from.
>>523846474The energy was already there, the water was separated from the darkness; a focus of weight, the disposition of form and direction of substance
>>523855549I think the earth is central, and there around it is primum mobile
>>523849833Then there was never a beggining, nothing with a beginning is infinite, there's not been enough time and there never will be, to go from finite to infinite.
>>523846474https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid%27s_Elementssome purpose the fifth element of ether, I believe there is something like that
>>523849300why'd you stop uploading? Did yah not send the gibs because you disobeyed his command to make music and make more videos, hence why you were forced to flee to canada?
>>523855525>Time is a closed loop.Gravity is a closed loop.The Big Bang is what happens when the previous universe was cycled into Super Massive singularities. The whole 'Dark Matter' debate is just jewish blathering about why cosmic expansion does not match the equations set forth by Hawking, Einstein, and Penzias.
Why does it have to come from something? It could have just always existed in some form.
>>523846928see >>523855715to watch your argument collapse.
>>523846809The answer may not be that complicated, the problem is that so much of the science on quantum physics and the origin of the universe involves unobservable phenomena that can't be tested against theory. So we end up with these wild mathematical extrapolations to try and encompass an entire field of phenomena using a smaller amount of observable phenomena as a foundation. That's where things get confusing because you get things like wave equations and extra-dimensional string theory trying to act as models that can predict new information. The understanding of something for example like electron orbital shape and behaviour outside math models is not nearly as complicated for people to grasp.
>>523846474>Where the fuck did all of this come from? And dont just tell me "it came from the big bang anon" I mean where did all of that come from?the universe was sang into existence
>>523848871that better by a royal 'we', man
>>523856289>the universe was sang into existenceof some nasty recursion loop that started with some fucking jew simulating too much to try and predict lottery numbers.
>>523856149It doesn’t help that many of those fields are increasingly filled with women who weren’t smart enough for a real science job.
>>523856350I am everything, fear not.
>>523846928truth
>>523856384I'm fairly certain I could quiz AI properly and get a proper size of that torusthe big bang is eternal right in the middle therethis explains the inflaton field, chirality, the apparent flatness (due to sheer size)
>>523846474The Demiurge spawned it using stollen Divine Lights.
>>523855959You sound like you're replying to someone else. Either that, or you're mad and vaccinated.
>>523846474>I would like to hear your explanation for why everything exists and where it came from.The universe is a product. One has to either believe that or it is something that occurs on its own out of nothing and nowhere without forces or laws it creates afterwards and happens at the rate of once in every 13 now 26 billion years AND naturally creates advanced life in just one spot. Since there is nothing else to compare to, the universe is a very unique thing. Midwits and the like will come up with many different explanations of how things came to be while ignoring the obvious and simplest answer-- that time is unique to the universe and that a more truer reality is contained in dimensions outside ours. So, for me, it is an obvious creation and its origin is no different that when you turn on your computer to play a video game. For the character in the game is much like you, it is a creation too with limits of all sorts. And it can be programmed to believe it is real as well. Don't you ever wonder how leftists exist? I don't mean the poor they trick, but the real leftists who believe in lies to achieve power with zero inability to see how futile and impotent their efforts are in the grand scale. Are they even human or NPCs to give everyone normal and good some challenge -- that is a harder question than the origin of the universe.
>>523856409Generally though the fields of theoretical mathematics remain near completely dominated by men to this very day. Even then it doesn't matter because women aren't squeezing out high performing men from the field, the presence of women is effectively the same as if they never even existed at all.
Jannies removed this because they are upset that they don't have enough critical thinking to actually learn what empirical evidence means.>>>523847399
>>523856685Reassuring, thanks.
>>523846474Idk lolI’m just here for the ride
>>523856733hahahahaha flattards have gone all the way to the earth doesnt even rotate, hahahahahahaha
>>523854292The big bang is a reverse black hole
>>523856733jewish lies confirmed beyond a reasonable doubtbig bangblack holesmanned moon landingdinosaursany description of anything more than 1 light year away
>>523856776>I’m just here for the rideHigh IQ take.
>>523846474Space doesn't exist. We live under the firmament. Nasa has brainwashed the masses. The Bible is true.Get saved before it's too late.https://youtu.be/qME9ynKt8e4?si=fm58-iKdmü1XoGmiA
>>523853840One of the few good posts in this thread. Consciousness is the key. Inwards is the way to know the universe.
>>523846474The ultimate origin of reality is utterly unknowable. The deepest mysteries of our existence will forever remain out of reach.
>>523857300extra special retards believe bullshit like this and came to this conclusion based on a couple pictures
>>523857400>Consciousness is the key.Kek.The universe only exists because intelligence observed it and collapsed the quantum states of all matter in the pre-observation universe. Let there be Light indeed.
>>523856892It doesn't. And not a single globe believer even know show many wobbles the globe has. They can't even discuss it, let alone articulate how it equates to empirical evidence.Go learn your globe model if you expect to be taken seriously. And you're vaccinated. The vaccinated use the same peer pressure/blind faith in that decision as they do with believing in the globe and space exploration.
>>523857089The dinosaurs are great to add in, because they have to have it in their belief system. At no point will a dinosaur believer acknowledge that secret societies faked it in the 1800's.
>>523855715>beggininghuman concept, physics does not have either a beginning or end>>523854020>tell me how many compination of atoms existthe atoms are not so important as the spacetime they occupy>tell me at what point the same compination of atoms exist when space is infinitive.the permutations of atoms are also infinite, just like there are no set of coordinates in a carthesian system that repeat, uniqueness and infinity go hand in hand>are you telling me, you already told me this in a different unviersum?yes
>>523846474>irrelevant time wasting question>lust provoking image.
>>523857300Pure pseudoscience.
>>523857659you're such a retard you dont even realize that those photos were all taken at different altitudeshere's another photo for you of an earf that is so tiny it just cant be realdumb faggot
>>523847317Time is necessary so everything doesn't happen at once
>>523857637The universe is a consciousness.>>523858127Time doesn't really exist.
>>523858127Time is not what you think, it does happen all at once, past future, and present, not only this dimension but every single dimension our there, in fact the entire simulation is destroyed and respawned more than 300.000 times a second. Thinking in traditional physics wont get you anywhere you dont have the right tools to understand.
>>523857637This is the most pedestrian interpretation of quantum mechanics I've read this year
>>523846474It always existed. Time goes to infinity in both directions.
>>523846474Literally any specific universe requires eliminating other counterfactual equivalent universes. There is no satisfying answer. Not even god is a satisfying answer. Likely, the only possible answers transcend our understanding fundamentally
>>523850471well said
>>523846474God became an hero and the universe is the remnant of his former self decomposing.
enshittification
>>523857300>Muh NASA NASA NASAThe Greeks knew about it over two thousand years ago. The common map used by flat earhers is a projection of a globe btw, which is why Australia and South America are so large on it.
>>523851910I've never seen this concept in scifiI got really fucking high and realized the charges of the sun(nucleus) and planets(electrons) matched up and that constellations were molecules
>>523846474generative quantum ai does all this.
>>523851769Baltimore?
>>523846474>Where the fuck did all of this come from?Imagine yourself as an actor in a video game. You being to study your environment, and notice some some interesting rules:>You cannot measure anything>Nothing actually exists>Excitations in quantum fields yield propagating waves and we describe their subsequent interactions as physics>No matter how quickly you move toward the horizon, it never gets any closer>Objects do not exist until they are observed>If you attempt to force an error, it is immediately corrected>Time interpolates relative to vector transform velocity>It is impossible to infer both the precise location and momentum of a particle>Light and matter are the same thing in different configurations>I would like to hear your explanation for why everything existsThe universe exists and seeks to enumerate all possible configurations of information until inevitably another universe is created. Mitosis on the grandest possible macro scale.>As above, so below
>>523847932Stop including yourself in 'da west,' kike. You are either Western or a semite. You can't be both.
>>523847366You're correctHe was made in my image
>>523846474God said let there be light (Consciousness)That's what the demons are trying to stamp out by having us all numbered and unfeeling
>>523846474The issue with the whole "what started existence?" thing is that you reach a dead end. If you believe in God, it means this is all by design. And what that means it hat all the horrifying shit in the world is part of his "plan". Niggers raping children, war, poverty, illness, it's all on purpose. That's a fucking nightmare to know you're at the mercy of some nonsensical "plan" by some ominous sadist entity that allegedly loves you but also gives you and your loved ones cancer because [????????]have faith bro lol lmao[???????].On the other hand, this might all be an experiment or simulation, or reality itself is composed of some other series of events that we will literally never ever understand because it involves other dimensions or something. Most of the universe seems deigned, on purpose, to limit travel in it. On Earth we have specific ways to get around, physically, to reach different places of the planet in a reasonable time. Doing that in space, by default, requires you to live in a shit for all of your life to travel far away because the distances are insanely vast. And that, to me, seems on purpose. You're not supposed to have living beings that think and reason extend their reach to the other corners of the universe, that's not supposed to happen. My point is that we're never gonna find out and I do genuinely believe that the universe is the most hostile thing in existence on purpose to keep smart lifeforms away from it. The universe is full of nothing but radiation, extreme deadly climate and just DEATH in general, almost like a fucked up underworld we're floating in. It's comedically hostile, almost TOO hostile to living things. Yet here we are, floating in it.
>>523858509>This is the most pedestrian interpretation of quantum mechanics I've read this yearNote the "Kek", mouth breather. >>523858299>The universe is a consciousness.Then is dull and dumb as fuck, judging by this planet.
>>523862133>God saidJust kill yourself, you incompetent cultist
>>523846474the answer is LOOSH. google you will find the rest if you are not an NPC.
In what way would answering this question change anything about how we live our lives?
>>523846928I’ve heard this argument before and I don’t see why anyone thinks it explains anything. You’re just using the word “god” to describe a certain category of things we don’t know. That has absolutely nothing to do with a deity or the claims of any theistic religion. “I don’t know where the universe came from, therefore you go to hell if you don’t accept Jesus.” And before anyone says this isn’t meant to be an argument for the Christian God, or any other specific religious deity, and is instead meant to be an argument for some more vague god-concept, that is exactly my point. The argument isn’t related to any coherent definition of god, so what’s the point? You aren’t saying anything useful, you’re just taking a word from religion and using it to name the vanguards of our knowledge.
>>523857164Okay… This is epic.
>>523863374She's gonna say you're seething for pointing out the semantic game she's playing...
>>523846637Correct answer. I don't know, nobody on this board knows, nobody in the world even really claims to know other than schizos and mythology retards.
>>523846928>Since we have proven logically the necessity of an outside of universe creator/creation forceYou haven't done that but even supposing you had all that would mean it's that there an external force of some unknown variety, not that any actual religion is nonfiction or that a (for example) Abrahamic diety existed -which is what you actually want to claim is true.
Space is fake and gay
>>523860636galaxies are enzymes, galactic superclusters are organelles, the universe is a single cell organism.
