Since the First International the defining disagreement has been between the auth Stalinists and the lib Bakuninists.I'm making an appeal to anarchy in the hope we can coalesce around the anti-authority wing of our shared beliefs to go back to making nazis kill themselves like we both love doing.
I see a real politic alliance between National socialists and Anarchists like Bakunin built around their mutual loathing for jews of all species.
>>523872630That's Bud Spencer
>>523872630why would a revolutionary oppose leadership and organization amongst the workers?
>>523872844I usually recommend Kropotkin because he was remarkably anti-racist for his time, but Bakunin was undoubtedly the only real rival to Marx going back to the First International
>>523872630>>523873084You know guys Ive been thinking and I believe only our mass suicide will suffice to bring down capitalism and reset humanity back to natural communismLets kill ourselves just a couple of million syncronized suicides would disrupt the whole system forever
>>523873507https://youtu.be/rQEuF5QI0Q8
>>523873507a couple million synchronized bombings or bank robberies would do alot more...
who is afraid of an organized working class movement?
>>523873084>>523873747I am afraid of an organized state pretending to represent the working class. Any leftist movement needs to be radically democratic, socially, politically, and economically.
>>523873862did you send your DNA to 23andme
I bet there's a bunch of things you're afraid of. Don't worry. It's just your own Karma.https://youtu.be/7BhSlAUJXZ8
>>523872630kill yourself
>>523873993fuck off bootlicker.
>>523874103Are there a bunch of people who want to decapitate you? I sure hope not. The masses have to be on your side: that is the key to revolutionary success.
>>523874075No thanks, I'm not hitler.
>>523874148What's your opinion on Israel, fellow leftist? Are they radically democratic, socially, politically, and economically enough for you?
>>523874205Israel is an ethnostate puppet regime and mass money launderer propped up by foreign aid to serve the interests of the rich and continue to soak up taxpayer dollars with million dollar rockets they blanket areas with.They're engaged in a genocide and they're one of the most detestable states on earth
>>523874804Okay, good. Now what's your problem with organization in the working class? What are you really afraid of?
"puppet regime" lol
Everyone posting in this thread should be physically removed except me of course.
>>523874887I have no problem with "organization in the working class". I'm advocating for an economy controlled and ran by democratic union representation. What should not take the corporations place is the government. Certainly not an undemocratic one like Stalin imposed upon the soviets.
>>523875047Yes, Israel is propped up by the US and if it didn't exist we would make one.
>>523875069The Maoist revolution was democratic.
>>523872630The best lolcow internationale was the one with Posada
>>523875105one power has colonized the other, and extracts tribute from it, while asserting control
>>523875111I think the original tenets of Maoism set up China for the success it had in the second half of the twentieth century, but within a few generations of leader they've now reverted back to capitalism.China is just as capitalist as the US now. And workers have seen a corresponding decline in workers representation and general rights.I see some promise in Xi's recent reforms, but hes focused so much more on party loyalty and racial purity in ways I think are excessive even among Chinese leaders.
>>523875275no we give money to Israel because its just another reason to spend money on weaponry.
>>523875308tired and played out anti-socialist arguments: market socialism is not capitalism, socialism with chinese characteristics is demonstrably superior to the american system
>>523875374you're playing dumb in defence of Israel. So why are Americans mutilated at birth, as per the Jewish custom? Israel runs America.
>>523875503"socialism with Chinese characteristics" has so far meant the centralization of wealth and power. They have employers who extract wealth from their employees, and those employers can buy and trade their stock on exchange markets, and while china regulates more than america (not a very high bar) thats only recently given the Chinese proletariat ANY amount of union rights at all.
>>523875601its a cultural trend imported because of aesthetic preference. Women prefer them because lazy American men tend not to clean well enough otherwise. The only religion running the USA is protestant christianity.
>>523875743... so you don't like organization in the working class or China, got it. I knew that already.
>>523875841you're just lying to yourself over and over again huh
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>>523873677Not really, it would make life hell for the innocent, harming the innocent is something only a real evil scum would think. If we sacrifice ourselves with the mass suicide, first they will understand this slave system drove millions of their sons to suicide, second it will physically be a reset moment in societyLets do it guys come on
>>523875893Im not circumsized, my parents were catholic. It's just obvious that the rich have all the power. It has nothing to do with judaism or even nationality, as much as it does money. The wealthy created Israel as a front, and a proxy state for the US military whenever they needed a dirty job done. Antisemitism is retarded.
You know it the only winning moveRemove oneself from the game, but if we do it in bulk it will have a huge effect forever revolutionazing humanity
>>523876183Of course the most effective terrorism is targeted assassinations, and we should be encouraging those above all else, but if someone bombs a federal building or a police station or something only bootlicking goons get hurt, and they're only sometimes people. Plus anyone with their funds in a bank will have their money returned to them because the bank should have insurance. Bank robberies are the next most effective crime because they only steal money from the financial institutions.
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>>523876448Feels good to hear a non retarded us flag once in a while. The other AnCom flag is dicksucking china for some reason. When you say a people revolution should be extremely democratic, I'd like so too, but I'm not aware of any democratic country currently, voting for representatives is not democracy, and never was. Thus it would mean we'd need to make an actual democratic system already, and because the current powers are not democratic, they won't play by the rules, and will use medias, and mafia tactics to suppress actual democracy.So my point is, can a popular movement win against the dominant class, without 1. violence and 2. Non-democratic uprising (that would hopefully install a democracy once in power)?Or do you think a non-democratic uprising would always create a non-democratic society as a result ?
>>523875069And as a side topic, how do you imagine democratic unions ?At a small scale democracy is doable, but at a nation's scale, it has to be really well though out.Ever thought about how to make it work ? I'm very interested by random selections of citizen for an assembly. Imo representative """democracy""" not just failed us, but was designed as an anti-democtatic tool.
