Why did the manosphere/men's rights/'PUA' movement fail so badly? Why did many of its most prominent members like Roosh V quit the scene? Why was there so much interest in these movements in the 00's and early-10's, and what happened afterwards?
>PUABased. I remember the early days of RSD before the Julen Blanc fiasco. They though their audience how to get shit done and how not to get discourged in the face of adversity even if the odds were impossible. There was this weird optimism and whitepill energy about their content.>Red Pill/MGTOW/MRACringe & defeatist "women are le bad" slop.
>>523878599taught*
>>523877740They did their job. The red pill is mainstream. There is nothing left to say.
>>523877740Women turned into a mafia around 2013-14.
>>523878767That wasn't their goal, though. The men's rights movement, for example, had very specific legislative goals relating to child custody, divorce, and domestic violence laws. The got nothing. In fact, those laws became even MORE biased against men over time.
>>523878767I hate how the manosphere retards took the terms redpill/blackpill to mean something lame and pathetic instead of what they were supposed to mean.
>>5238789142014+ is when the kikes launched the indentity politics/LGBTQ/political correctness psyop in an successful attempt to derail the Occupy Wallstreet movement and the class warfare ideology that was starting to become popular in the US in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. So RSD had to go.
>>523877740>Failed
>>523877740Should have focused on woman's wrongs
>>523877740this is Roosh now, feel old yet?
>>523877740>and what happened afterwards?Hoeflation had achieved maximum market permeation by then as by the 2013+ Obama second term social media had become completely ubiquitous culturally and the era of the e-thot began.
Roosh works at an Orthodox Christian bookstore now unironically
>>523877740It got replaced by the Nick Fuentes incel doomerpilled movement who think vaginas are icky and should be avoided at all costs
>>523878914So nobody is gonna tell you this but if you keep your mouth shut and I mean really keep it shut women run like degenerate sex trafficking circles of males who are pre-selected. You bang one of them and then their friends add you to social media then you get invited to drinks at a pool and there's just two giggling women half drunk inviting you for a swim then a week later you get invited to a swanky casino bar and there's like three of them in cocktail dresses eyeballing you and like... Yeeahhhhh...There's absolutely a Mafia going on there. If you just keep your mouth shut...I mean. Wait. No that's horrible guys you don't want to be on the good side of the roastie mafia as a young man don't do it just load up some Andrew Tate and shield your eyes and like... yeahhhhhh.
>>523877740they voted for it
>>523878599>weird cringe geeksYa ok. There's a reason it was a fad and fizzled out. Tom Cruise in Magnolia was funny af though.
>>523877740Youre conflating separate things. Mgtow and pick up are not the same thing. Mgtow died because you have to be a loser to associate with it, and most people dont want to be losers. the dark arts of pickup, which have been around since at least Ovid, are still practiced today.
>>523878971I disagree, a little. No-fault divorce still sucks, but contested custody battles in most states grant 50/50 custody.It's remarkable how many men voluntarily let their children go. Divorce, Inc is bad for everyone except the attorneys, but any man who wants their kids in their life just has to not beat their wife or ex-wife or get caught doing drugs. And that goes for the women too, and a lot of women lose custody because they do meth to lose weight or hurt the kids.There is "equality" because these days both of the people get fucked in divorce instead of just the man.
>>523882517>women run like degenerate sex trafficking circles of males who are pre-selectedI'm well aware.
>>523882814mgtow didn't die, it got older and we learned to shut up about it. Reddit banned all the subs for it a decade ago, and of course then it wasn't welcome on twitter at all. A lot of us just got older, processed our trauma, and got more comfortable with our chosen lifestyle. When I was on the mgtow subs on reddit 10 years ago i saw that much of mgtow were traumatized, angry men who expected women of their generation to be loyal like their mothers were, and that was a rug pull. So it was a reaction. time heals everything.I'm still modified mgtow. I won't get married or commit, but I date if anyone asks me out, so about once a year i date someone for a couple months. But women are the same as 10-15 years ago. Many 40+ year olds are still playing the field.
>>523882431>It got replaced by the Nick Fuentes incel doomerpilled movement who think vaginas are icky and should be avoided at all costsAs a zoomer I am disgusted by women and think exactly that.
>>523877740Putting pussy on a pedestal despite their claim otherwise.PUA ripped off Pimp Game(OG books on 'game' were exclusively written by simps)MRA thought pussy should be involved and despite getting divorce raped insisted on pussy on pedestal.Manosphere got overrun by glowing grifters and refused the Redpill content that they deemed to 'extreme' and 'politically incorrect'.When you look at them as a whole they are OBSESSED with pussy. 'Game' is LITERALLY how women view and react to sex. You play the 'game' of women just to be able to enjoy some crumbs, leftovers, and rotting STD ridden pussy.Afterwards they kept on getting busted for being grifters and Simps paying whores to look successful. Fit N Fresh are literal glowniggers. The ones who got the last half were MGTOW as they were the ones most inclined to accept Redpill and STOP playing the fucking GAME. Therefor,e they didn't put pussy on a pedestal. The difference between them and Simps was that they got to enjoy sloppy rotten STD ridden leftover pussy. That is why they 'won'.The only time they were interesting and made valid points was that brief window of time when the Players and Wizards got together and agreed about women. Followed by the initial burst of evolutionary psychology research before it got buried. After that MGTOW literally won solely because they refused to play the 'Game' for pussy. They were the ONLY ones who stopped putting pussy on a pedestal despite all claims otherwise.
>>523884168>They were the ONLY ones who stopped putting pussy on a pedestal despite all claims otherwise.This. It's the one thing I ever learned about women. It didn't help me with women but it set me free. Interestingly, some zoomers I talk to seem to know to not pedestal the pussy innately, which might be a good sign for that generation. I had to learn it through trial and error.
>>523879270Yes they also have the balls to claim that they 'invented' those terms. Despite the fact that they date back to the fucking Matrix and being 'redpill' simply meant to ignore the illusionary lies and accept the hard truth of reality. However the Manosphere claims they invented it and it means something entirely different.Blackpill btw came from Wizards. NOT the fucking manosphere. White pill was a countermeme to Blackpill. Purple pill is someone transitioning from blue pill to red pill. Pink pill was feminine softer approach to harsh Red pill. Iron pill was a meme making fun of it all.>>523882517Works that way if your hot enough to be a trophy or good in bed. Women actively share boytoys and fight over trophies because they want to show off and flex on each other.Keeping your mouth shut isn't quite enough. If your hot/successful enough they will also try to actively sperm jack you. They also like to use you to cuckold whatever man their currently with. Bonus points if you can handle their dirty talk, girly chants/events, and can get them to open up about sexual matters.You really DO NOT want to draw their attention if your young. Those bitches can/will groom and pimp your ass out to each other. A LOT of them like em young...
dating apps like tinder made PUA/cold approaching obsolete. After that point lookism became the best meta-strategy. Also a lot of the oldfags literally got oversexed and blackpilled on women, and unable to pair bond forevermore.
>>523879270It was a word from a movie. Matrix slop at that. Anyone basing their "movement" around dialog from Jewlywood shit was always a cringe faggot and a retard >>523884168>a new word crops up after a certain time>AHHH INORGANIC FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWSkys christ cuck
>>523884552>zoomers I talk to seem to know to not pedestal the pussy innatelyIt is because we hate women now.
The Manosphere won. Everyone is aware of how horrible women are, how rigged is marriage against men, how terrible is feminism and how privileged women are, etc.The pick-up artists moved on to social media to sell their books and coaching and are still making money. Most of their advice still applies and still works because female psychology is unchangeable.The PUA that quit did so because fucking hundreds of whores eventually gets boring and the lack of direction and purpose as you get older is very painful.Many became religious zealots or gurus, coaches or activists in some other areas (business, "success", etc.).
>>523881964>I've seen what pussy does to a mf'er
>>523884616The pussy burnout is real yeah. Learned that the hard way lol...One important thing to keep in mind for both oldfags and newfags is the complete lack of positive feminine role models, examples, and experiences. Its hard as fuck to NOT become a bitter bastard who loses all hope and gives up entirely on women.I was one of the rare few who actually DID encounter good samples of feminity but most people will go their entire lives without a single encounter with one. Honestly what amazes me most is why more men don't hate women given their awful experiences throughout life. I really don't blame them.>>523884552Zoomers had social media rubbed in their faces all their lives and realized that pussy was overrated. God I wish my generation had been so based. We had to learn the hard way but at least we did the heavy lifting to establishing the redpill repositories. In my day you had to work your ass off to find a single redpill. Chugging bottles of redpills really wasn't a thing back then. At least with the internet we were able to slowly share redpills among ourselves and gradually compiled them over years.
>>523884616>dating apps like tinder made PUA/cold approaching obsolete.No, they didn't. Dating apps only get you leads, the ability to talk to a woman and pitch a date. All the social/game skills involved in seduction still apply if you want to get laid.99% of the time no woman is gonna come and suck you off just because you matched. You still have to game her.Most dating coaches and experts simply adapted to the reality of dating apps and started producing content on how to game the system.
>>523884602ironpill mentioned!
>>523885396Anon I'm sorry to say but you're a 7 or 8 out of 10. In truth, the really popular men really did match and get offered sex instantly without any game or seduction necessary: abs/cheekbones/whatever did all the work just from pictures. Then women got overcocked because now they can just get sex from their phone, so they stopped going to places to get picked up, which accelerated the trend to apps and killed PUA.What young woman even goes to bars these days? In what cafe is it socially acceptable to approach a young woman? There are basically no public spaces where it's acceptable to do a cold approach on a woman anymore, because they're all fucking tens whenever they want from hookup apps.It's not that I'm saying PUA stopped working. Seduction techniques still work, of course they do. It's biology. It's that all the women are run through and no longer looking for mates IRL.
>>523885724Partially true, partially skill issue.
