I first saw this screenshot a long time ago, but never had the nerve to research it myself at the time.I used to be all about "confronting uncomfortable truths on the left," since my peers all seemed to be too cowardly for that, and I didn't want our side to "cede any uncomfortable facts to the right." I didn't think they were liars, just cowards. But by the time I encountered this particular screencap, I'd already lost most of my faith in even that explanation.Now, I think I'm ready for the truth. Do sub-90 IQs really struggle with hypothetical conditionals? Do you guys have any sources?I've also heard that there's as much genetic overlap between white and black people as there are between wolves and coyotes, so some research on that would be helpful as well.
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>>523881982No, I've been here for a while. I was driven here a while back by the trans movement, which I saw as antithetical to every value the left had stood for up to that point. And I resisted the rest of this place's ideas at first. But eventually, the uncomfortable truths started to seep in.Somebody else screenshotted a series of posts where I explained my story, which I thought was flattering. I might as well repost that here, to give you guys a rundown. Though looking back on it now, there are a few spelling mistakes that piss me off.
>>523882367But yeah. Though I hated all the "hate" around here, this particular post got under my skin and stayed in my system for a full year before I finally decided to save it myself. The worst part was: I knew that everything described here was true. It just put the pieces together in a way I hadn't allowed myself to see before.So I'm ready to learn whether the other uncomfortable shit I've heard about black people -- the inability to process hypothetical conditionals + genetic distance from us -- is actually true.>>523882318>>523882337Yeah, I've seen these essays before. They're good ones.I'd be happy to let this thread devolve into a redpill posting party, but I'd like to focus on the hypothetical conditional thing first. That's what's on my mind.
>>523882502So yeah. Does anyone have any sources for the hypothetical conditionals stuff I mentioned in my OP? Can black people really not answer questions about stuff like how they'd feel if they hadn't had breakfast for the past few days?Any sources would be greatly appreciated. I'm finally ready to reckon with this.
>>523882986Huh. I don't suppose I've seen this one.>>523882968>>523883010Are you accusing me of being an NPC? I'm pretty sure I'm on your side in all this.This board was very helpful when I asked them about the "Tusla Race Massacre" way back when, since I'd been under the impression that it was the only counterexample to the "All places inhabited by black people are shitholes" rule. And some of the people here were able to show me how that was wrong. So I was hoping some other guys might have some statistics ready to go about this as well.
>>523883179Oh shit, I meant to link the actual thread I was talking about there: >>441312935
>>523881904My experience with stupid people is that even if they have difficulty with working through complex ideas themselves they can still get it if you hold their hand and walk them through it. I think they also have a (much) greater tendency to give up prematurely when something is challenging to work through. Math is a good example: even if you're smart the nature of learning math is basically slamming your head against something which can be expressed in a sentence or two, and it's unavoidable that it's just going to take a little while to get it. If you lack intellectual self-confidence you probably just give up and go "that's too hard for me lmao!" even though it's like, no it just takes everyone half an hour to figure out what the fuck the textbook is talking about when you first encounter lim x-->0 (f(x+h)-f(x))/h
>>523881904>>523882367A lot of the research you want got purged over a decade ago by Big Tech. When the internet became centralized. Glowniggers used CP spam and deniable asset patsies to nuke the rest of the hosts out of existence via legal troubles. Nowadays its VERY hard to find. /pol/ isn't bad you might even be given a link that still works or a redpill repositories full of research and redpills that haven't been taken down yet.Back in the day the data hoarder crowd and pirates used to save and upload a lot of shit but they got screwed hard by the above and difficulty dealing with backdoors. You might still find some on the archives if you search the right words and get lucky. Otherwise you might want to sniff around and try to track down the blacklisted intelligentsia and anonymous think tanks. Not only do they keep backup copies of a LOT of that research but they also actively research more.
>>523886039The research has been largely destroyed, you say?Interesting. I can kinda believe it, though.But they can't have possibly gotten everything. Nothing dies completely on the internet, despite their best efforts.
>>523886039I've tried tracking down old research but it's hard nowadays. I do know the research about Black and White IQ is old. Going back over 40 years. If you find a site with old research records you might get lucky and find some they haven't purged yet.I do know its a popular topic among Eugenicists circles which is how I first heard about it over 15 years ago now.
>>523881904You are a Kike
>>523887323Its still around but hard to find. Some more so than others. Like trying to find out about the origin of the Opioid Crisis, Sackler Family, and the grassroots investigation done by military grunts and low level officers that got blocked in Congress with all the proof. You try sharing that shit and watch out fast your site gets nuked with CP spam.The data hoarders are waiting until homemade electronics and hardware reaches 90s tier. That is the bare minimum for decentralized internet and being able to mass host and dump their entire archives. Otherwise you have to get lucky with finding a redpill repository that hasn't been taken down yet or find a related blacklisted intelligentsia that can share. It's really annoying now but still doable.
>>523887593Or just get lucky in a redpill dump thread, hit the archives, and maybe find an anon who has some saved. I wished I backup more data but my computers kept dying and I kept misplacing my flashdrives.
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>>523887693Last one. This are some rare redpills. I wish I had the stuff about the OG dive into where the CP spam was coming from done by hackers, Site admins, and users. Tracked that shit all the was to the Pentagon itself and glowniggers in the 00s. Of course it also got buried.
>>523882367I don't remember writing these posts
>>523887776>They freeze the website anything important gets dumpedSchizo detected. If somebody posted epic top secret redpills why would they either a) need to freeze the website to collect their information (do you think they dump the logs as soon as the thread archives?) or b) draw attention to it by stopping posting?
>>523881904You'll never find offical studies or sources for a question like this because the idea that a significant portion of the population are too stupid to understand future consequences, another name for conditional hypotheticals, is utterly antithetical to society as a whole. For example, If this idea was proven conclusively true everybody on the wrongside of that denomination would legally be unable to sign contracts because they wouldn't be able understand them. As for evidence in support of the idea, think about it this way. Does the idea that a huge swathe of the population is too stupid to comprehend future consequences do a better or worse job of explaining the world then the alternative? I think you'll find that it simply has to be true. Think of all the utterly moronic crimes that are comitted for no gain, like gas station robbers murdering clerks who've already given them the money. Somebody who can understand consequences understands easily that murder will put them in jail for a very long time. For a more immediate example, the Ukrainian woman getting stabbed in the neck on the subway.
>>5238819041. There's nearly TWICE the genetic difference between Europeans and Blacks than there is between Europeans and Neanderthal. We're absolutely different species.2. Europeans have over 100 alleles that encode for neural topography that are exclusive to their race. Blacks have around 50 that are exclusive to them. But they're mostly all recessive, so mating the two species just makes a smooth-brained hybrid retard.3. If you ever live with or care for an older person, you'll observe the tiers of cognition as they decline. Hypotheticals are fast to go when the brain starts to weaken.
>>523881904I don't have any hard evidence or studies for you, but here's a personal anecdote for you on the topic.I have a friend who is a criminal defense lawyer. Being the racist that I am, I of course asked him if he asks the "breakfast question" to his clients. He laughed and said no, but he does have a question he likes to ask:>If you were a member of a jury, and you were told that the defendant had done these things (their charges), how would you feel?The response to that question gives him a pretty good idea of what he's working with. Apparently, the vast majority of the [usual suspects] just aren't able to parse it out at all.
>>523881904look into studies of prison populations as you often find lower IQ individuals there (probably where this notion comes from to begin with) - specifically the relationship between IQ and hypotheticals and/or recursionthe conclusion of all these studies is essentially this:the lower a person's measured IQ, the more difficult it is for them to comprehend hypotheticals related to different perceptions (like past and future)ex: "how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning"a lower IQ person may answer along the lines of "i did have breakfast"similarly, lower IQ indicates trouble with recursion. you can think of this simply as the number of layers or frames around some informationex: "bob told alice a story about a man telling a story to his grandchild, etc"a low IQ person will begin to have trouble understanding the information relayed to them if the number of framing devices increases too much
>>523888700Do we at least have data about the genetic differences? Surely that must be more recent than the other stuff. I'm guessing it's just a number of different studies that the establishment doesn't want you to put together. >>523888332You too, huh?Well... it's at least nice to see how what I wrote resonated with so many people. We're not alone after all.
>>523881904I'm hungry and I'm about to eat my breakfast. I wonder how I'll feel afterwards.
>>5238819044th post in OP pic is a retarded false conclusion Prisons are filled with dumb psychopathic criminals because smart psychopathic criminals don't get caught. Hence his observation of being dumber vs smart isn't a correlation that suggests psychopathy He simply missed the survivorship bias in the data.
>>523881904Well, just look at faggots abusing the breakfast question example in that screencap and winding up losing arguments when they try that as a gotcha. They clearly did not understand what hypotheticals themselves are and fixated on the breakfest question itself as some end all, be all super move. If they truly understood what a hypothetical was then instead of asking about breakfest they would change the question to be a different topic and the conversation would flow smoothly.
>>523889428Okay I finished breakfast and now I'm not hungry
>>523882958Look you're going to struggle with depending on how strong you want the evidence to be.Can't really go out to blacks and ask >Ayo deez hypotenticals, dey aint shit is dey?The closest version is "how would you feel if you haven't had breakfast this morning"You have to look at their behavior and infer what is going on, and that is what people have been doing.There is this vid of a nig in a car, where a cop pulls them over, and he tries to grab the gun from under the dash. The cop notices, starts yelling at him to keep his hands on the dash, gun in the nig's face... the cop has never been more alert and ready during the whole situation and what does he do?>I is gonna trick dis cop, I is fast boi, before he can pull dat trigger I is gonna snatch up muh s&w glock 40 problem solver and blast 'emAny person with sense can predict (see a hypothetical situation where) a trigger squeeze is much faster than anything that nig was planning, but he is unable to see that and thinks>No one can know how this will play out, gonna try my luck.
>>523889401They took away the Nobel prize from the man who originally mapped DNA for implying there is any racial IQ genetic relationship you moron
>>523881904How would you feel if you did understand conditional hypotheticals?
>>523881904I was aware of the points made in that image more than 10 years ago. It's accurate in the examples, in that there are people who are too stupid to understand certain things that you take for granted and it's eye opening when you notice it but they treat IQ like videogame stats. There are no magic cutoff points like "sub-80" where certain things are impossible, it's more like a gradual scale. IQ fixation has always been the mark of a midwit. The only thing I'll add is that low IQ people can get stuck in "loops" where they genuinely don't understand what you're saying, no matter how much you try to explain it, you can try multiple ways, simpler ways and they still just repeat the same answers. Your initial thought might be that you didn't explain something properly (that was mine for years) but with time your realise that they're actually too stupid to get it and they'll never get it.There's a classic one from the black science man, Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He would make a statement like "some people", to an audience and then some stupid nigger would interrupt and say they knew someone that wasn't like that. Which of course, if you're saying "some" it's not implied that *all* would be that way. There are people who are too stupid to understand this. What the science man did to stop these dumb interruptions from retards was he learned to say: "some but not all", which is a redundant thing to add but he's essentially doing the thinking for them.Another one I would add is if you ask a hypothetical that could happen: like what would you do if the power went out for 48 hours? Their reaction to that question is also telling. The dumbest people I've met will reply with things like "dunno", or "but the power never has gone out that long" (not the question I'm asking, but if it did happen for them then they'd be just giving an answer of what they did from memory rather than what they *would* do).
>>523890378kekNice thred gents
>>523882367Do you still believe women are smarter than men on average?Because I would say that belief has come purely from the fact you've lived in a society where women were privileged, even while they claim oppression.This is the most controversial, and perhaps genius, female author of all time.
>>523890744I think they might be. At least, they tend to be a lot more keen on social stuff than I am.But I don't think it matters in the slightest if they can't go against the grain. It doesn't matter what the smartest woman in the world thinks if she can't disagree with the dumbest, most popular one. She might as well not be said to even exist.The peer pressure thing is lethal. It precludes them from being capable of self-governance, if it's as bad as I think it is. But I'm aware of how far back some of these criticisms go. And I'll check out that book you mentioned, should I find a copy.
>>523888356He isn't talking about redpills, they only do that over info leaks.
>>523881904it is more than iq, or rather there is a component to iq which goes entirely ignored. Hypothetical conditions is a surface level metric, the real issue here is that they can not successfully infer any data. and that is the true measure of intelligence.
>>523889594Very true, but the bias is a little unpredictable because midwit psychos are imprisoned just as frequently as midwit normals. MOST people are just railroaded. Actual crime like rape, murder, burglary, all come with a mortality rate that puts a massive downward pressure on their prison population. Normals just try to pocket something at the wrong time to be cool with other teenagers, or get caught in a sting trying to make ends meet in their 20's. Pardoning anyone guilty of marijuana related crimes and nothing else would half the prison population in America.
>>523890931>At least, they tend to be a lot more keen on social stuff than I am.Yes, that is where their intelligence is centered. They will use that advantage, as well as the fact they mature faster, to undercut male self-esteem and essentially handicapped a man's intellect by manipulating him into believing he's dumb.This graph illustrates what I believe would be male/female IQ at birth. Males, due to the Y chromosome, experience a larger variation in essentially any trait you care to name.Now, lower IQ individuals are more likely to die in some stupid accident, so over the course of 20 or 30 years...The lower end of the male curve gets thinned.
>>523890300Posting vidrel - https://files.catbox.moe/jum1b9.webmBut your "proof" is mostly going to be anecdotal, if you live in a white area, it's not going to be obvious and will need to spend time to notice the pattern.If you live in a nigger infested area (such as South Africa) you see it everywhere, all the time.The future does not exist for them, and a hypothetical isn't far removed from seeing and reacting to create the future you want, at least considering what is in your control.
>>523890055The really fun part is going to be in a few months, when leftists adopt it as the "newest meme on the internet," as is their recycling way, and encode a precise breakfast-question into the contemporary vernacular. You won't be Funny™ unless you can quote the whole thing start to finish, but the real updoots will come from your accusing expression upon completion.
>>523882367>no car>uncertaintyare you stable now
>>523881904And /pol/ midwits can't understand understanding.
>>523889594>He simply missed the survivorship bias in the data.This is a common mistake made. I got into an argument with an "expert" a lot of years ago where he stated that all sociopaths were low IQ and his evidence was interviews he had with prisoners. He was, apparently, either one of these researchers or the next gen of such. I countered that if you look at society, you can see sociopathy all over the place and at all levels- the person's cognitive capabilities were not related to the part where they were able to be completely disconnected from other people.I've noticed that unconcious bias seems to get people to lean into the idea that whatever they find scary is only found in certain places and among certain cultures or racial groups or most get caught and are in prison. Pedophilia/incest is one of those things where a person may be standing next to multiple actual pedophiles in public and have no idea, because that would be "impossible" in their minds.
>>523891308Well the city wasn't razed by riots, so at least I was wrong about that (for once). Turns out the election just broke their spirits. I'm sure they would've supported violence, but they were just too shellshocked to do any themselves.But I still don't have a car, no. I've found ways to get by and cope in other respects, however. It's a long story.
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>>523882958>Can black people really no lt answer questions about stuff like how they'd feel if they hadn't had breakfast for the past few days?Obviously you're not talking about every single one, but also obviously the majority can as well if you've literally ever interacted with us. Are black people less equipped to asked these questions overall due to the IQ difference? Now that's a question.
