Old = GoodNew = BadIs this accurate?
>>523891483No, it is more like: selective old things things good, most new things bad.
>>523891483That can't be true because that's what /pol/ says and /pol/ is not a conservative board.
>>523891536>>523891597How about this.Left wing = yesRight wing = no
>>523891648Yes hey wait a minute I'm right wing so I have to say no.>explodes
>>523891483The term "Conservatism" implies that whatever is being conserved will eventually be used up
>>523891765No it doesn't.
>>523891483>Is this accurate?No. All the "new" things are just boomer depravity from post WWII that they've been pushing for decades. Feminism, the sexual revolution, multi culturalism, all these failed ideas are nearly 80 years old now. They aren't new and pretending that fighting against these failed boomer ideas is regressive is bullshit.
>>523891483No.What would be good is if you killed yourself.
>>523891483conservative=afraid of confilct
>>523891765Conserving the constitution will eventually be used up? Yeah no. American conservatism means protecting the institutions that help create the greatest country in the world, which it's not anymore, since it's been eroded away by the left, who are commies and instead of moving to China, want to sabotage this country, through illegal measures.
>>523891483>NOT THAT OLD GOY! YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR BACK!
>>523891714:^(>>523891536Roger Scruton defined the point of conservatism as preserving good things from the past while acting as a filter for new things.
I think it’s funny when people call themselves conservative, or a “staunch” conservative. What have you conserved, exactly? Homes are unaffordable. You need to work more to end up with less. Most kids have been cooked by the social media algorithms and identify as they/them. I don’t want to hear from any conservative, they’re just a counterpart of progressives and don’t realize it.
>>523891483Conservatism, the centre right political ideology espoused by Republicans and Tories, is cucked bourgeois fag shit. It exists to gatekeep nationalism, just like left liberalism exists to gatekeep socialism.Social conservatism in the vein of Carlyle and Chesterton is anti capitalist —fittingly, since Judeo capitalism upends the social order.
>>523891483no it's more "if aint broke don't fix it"
There is a real distinction between functional conservatism and reactionism which is completely absent from left-right discourse. Conservatism is merely siding with status-quo, or an existing norm with existing function (however applicable that function is). Think Chesterton's Fence. A conservative only exists to advocate for things which currently exist and have existed in continuity for one function or another for a stretch of time, as they see that which might disrupt it as fraught or inconsiderate of the ramifications in changing it. It can refer to American politicians who want to prevent a hike in taxes as much as it can refer to a member of the Chinese Communist Party who strives to prevent shareholder capitalism from taking root.To be reactionary, however, is to believe it's possible to hit undo on a societal level and "restore" society to a "less corrupted" state whose benchmark is partially or almost entirely based on favorable memories or stories, much less it's actual function. These would be the ones who uncritically believe Old = Good, New = Bad.It's a disordered immune response in the face of stress caused from material condition or social atomization, and like any autoimmune disease, it starts attacking healthy organs of the body with wild abandon while acting though a cure.The present day American presidency is a good example for this split. The Unitary Executive theory the current Trump administration has been wielding tramples on the balance of the three branches of federal governance in a way it was never expected to be abused. In fact, the flagrant abuse of power, from inventing taxes through "emergency" tariffs, to committing war crimes and dragging the US into another oil war with Venezuela without Congress' permission are closer analogue with the 3rd world shitholes this MAGA movement laments America becoming than representative of the unique Western principles of liberal governance they claim to be conserving.
>>523892437>What have you conserved, exactly?What an insightful comment you are the first person in recorded history to make.
>>523891483You aren't far. It's about money. Conservatives believe in keeping money in the hands on those that already have money, and out of the hands of those that don't.
>>523892853But it still stands. Because dumbfuck conservatives still don't get it. >We can't allow blacks to integrate bec->Oh nevermind, it happened >We can't allow women in college bec->Oh nevermind, it happened This is Donald Trump's entire appeal to stupid people. To do bigoted "past-like" things to make dumb MAGA seals clap and balance a ball on their nose as their job goes to India.I love my fellow countrymen. I wish they would stop being so stupid and easy to fuck over.
>>523893457>bigotedYou can go back now.
conservatism is literally just about inhibiting wealth distribution and regulationfollowing environmental regulations cuts into profits. if the goyim want clean water they can always buy it from nestle public spending on infrastructure and social programs inevitably increases the tax burden of the wealthy. lower taxes and cut spending to compensate. its not like out gated communities will suffer the consequences
>>523891483Jews = good.Goyim = bad.
>>523893457I don't see how conservatism failing means it's wrong. I would say conserving Weimar Germany would have been a valid and righteous thing to support in the face of the rising power of the Nazis. They lost but that doesn't mean they were wrong (those who believed in a free and fair Germany.)
>>523891597>that's what /pol/ saysIt doesn't, /pol/ likes Putin's NWO and AI while hating old concepts like NATO for example.
>>523893815That's only in service of /pol/'s ultimate overarching ideology of contrarianism.
>>523892273ThisIn Germany we say "spießig" the describe this petite bourgeoise weak soft ideology.
>>523891483The Ten Commandments whether from man or god are good things to conserve little Marxist
>>523892437>they’re just a counterpart of progressivesNah, they're slightly differently aligned progressives.It's harder to explain this in English, but in German, you can make a difference between conservative, rightwing and bourgeoise (bürgerlich). The latter is progressives larping as rightwingers. Their ideology ultimately comes from the rising middle class coming in conflict with nobility from the late middle ages onwards, and they have successfully replaced the actually conservative nobles with their strange new fashioned "conservative" brethren.The softness, meekness, materialism and so on that are rightfully criticized as not fitting an actually conservative ideology all come from that political entity.
>>523892715Trump isn't reactionary at all, he is very progressive, more progressive than Obama or Biden. He doesn't want to go back to the good old days, he wants to make sure going back is impossible. Instead he is aiming for future good days that may or may not come.
>>523893756>I don't see how conservatism failing means it's wrong.If it fails it is wrong. If it succeeds, it's less wrong.
>>523893756I don't want this specific conversation to become a discussion of Germany. (About which you probably know more than me.)My original point was: People today who still have 1780 America-tier rigid values are retarded. They literally still argue women shouldn't learn. Or POC don't need rights. Or abortion is "evil." Or Jews control everything. They literally don't understand it's the same thing as saying "Gee, I want a Ford Model T automobile. No A/C and max speed of 60mph. That's the height of technology!" You tell them no it isn't, it's 2025. They call you a communist. People are that stupid when discussing social issues.
>>523894147>They literally don't understand it's the same thing as saying "Gee, I want a Ford Model T automobile. No A/C and max speed of 60mph. That's the height of technology!"Careful, you've just described your own actual position on cars.
>>523894370That isn't a leddit mobile, it's a based car that regulations prevented from being imported into the US (unless they were over 25 years old). Orange man repealed that recently. The main people who want them are farmers
>>523895067>That isn't a leddit mobile, it's a based carRacemixing is based too if she's yellow because she'll be trad and feminine and submissive, or so I've been told.
>>523891483Conservative means "if it ain't broken, don't (((fix))) it"
Conservatism was begun by Edmund Burke as he lamented the guillotining of the French aristocracy. We actually need more of that.
