>>523891713
You can find the answer behind Hadrian and two others i forgot the name of.

Divide and conquer, undermine societal cohesion and unifying strengths of people is born from christianity.
the first christians was all jews, a small minority that managed to guilt trip and undermine everything that was magical in life to feel like it was bad.

the same shit you see today, in other words.
the romans simply used the temples as a means of keeping things together, when the social outcry rose? they brought out the circus.

The christians co-opted the outcry, bought in the spokespersons or infiltrated their circles, if they werent writing apocalyptic scriptures to demonize them.
Hence how people died for being accused of being vampires or demon worshippers in the olden times.

this the difference between pagan empire "iron hand" vs christian "left wing / right wing" theatre.
one is honest and brings out festivals and sports when things suck while trying to find a solution
the other is dishonest and goes through hell and back to be seen as the greatest source of good on earth.

>>523892125
I'll take your word for it... Idk anything about Rome really. Let's see what the AI has to say.


Divide and conquer: The Romans did use division and manipulation to control their vast territories. They would often favor certain groups or individuals over others, creating tensions and rivalries that helped maintain control.
Propaganda: Roman leaders used various forms of propaganda to influence public opinion and shape their image. This included public speeches, art, architecture, and literature.
Mass immigration: The Romans did experience significant migration and cultural exchange, particularly during the late empire period. This led to cultural and social changes, as well as tensions between different groups.

It didn't have much of substance to say about Christian Europe or Greece at the first pass.

>>523893479
Bread and Circuses: The Roman government provided free food and entertainment to the masses, distracting them from the social and economic issues of the time. This tactic helped maintain stability and control.


The Roman Republic's Early Years: During the early years of the Roman Republic, there was a strong sense of civic engagement and participation among citizens. The rulers were often chosen for their wisdom, courage, and leadership abilities, and they worked closely with the people to make decisions.
The Gracchan Reforms: The Gracchan reforms, implemented by Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, aimed to address social and economic inequalities. These reforms were popular among the common people and demonstrated a willingness on the part of some rulers to work with the people to create positive change.


While the legend of King Arthur and his knights represents an idealized vision of a harmonious and just society, it is essential to note that this was not always reflective of historical reality. In Rome, as in other ancient societies, the relationship between rulers and the common people was often shaped by social, economic, and political inequalities.

In contrast to the mythical King Arthur's Court, Ancient Rome's power dynamics were often characterized by:

Social and Economic Stratification: Roman society was divided into distinct social classes, with the wealthy elite holding significant power and influence.
Power Struggles: Roman history was marked by numerous power struggles between rival factions, often with the common people caught in the middle.

The Athenian Democracy: During the 5th and 4th centuries BCE, Athens was a beacon of democracy, where citizens had a significant say in governance. The Athenian system allowed for direct participation, and citizens were encouraged to engage in public debates and decision-making processes.
The Iroquois Confederacy: This Native American confederacy, formed in the 16th century, was a remarkable example of a democratic system where representatives were chosen by their communities to make decisions on their behalf. The Iroquois Confederacy was built on principles of mutual respect, trust, and cooperation.
The Icelandic Commonwealth: During the 10th to 13th centuries, Iceland had a unique system of governance, where power was distributed among a network of chieftains and lawmen. This system allowed for a high degree of autonomy and cooperation among citizens.

Medieval Examples

In medieval Europe, there were instances of mutual trust and respect between lords and their vassals:

The Carolingian Renaissance: During the 8th and 9th centuries, Charlemagne and his successors implemented a system of governance that emphasized mutual loyalty and cooperation between lords and vassals.
The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth: This Eastern European state, formed in the 16th century, was characterized by a unique system of governance, where the nobility and the monarch had a mutually binding relationship.

>>523893479
> Let's see what the AI has to say.
The AI will always lay its flat for a good general view of christianity

even when you point out all the shit from the 4th-6th-9th to 16th-18th century?
itll rotate retarded lines like "all ancient civilization was le bad, hard, tough.. equality scale up/down"

AI isnt going to tell you how jews felt oppressed during our pagan empire and therefor began writing apocalyptic scriptures, songs and undermine cultures and social cohesion in revenge.
Because it mirrors modern day problems too much, its "le antisemitism" as transparent as it possibly could get.

Christians were never good at writing, too many contradictions and allowing themselves to embed forged letters and buying into beauty standards of medieval europe to describe their holy jews.

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>>523894245
I had to rephrase the prompts a few times to get it to give the examples of trust relationships between classes. You're right it does tend to favor a "grass is greener" perspective:

>N-no! All times were always bad and all kings are bad!

I didn't ask it about Egypt, since there isn't a lot of information about finer points of society, certainly not in the Middle or Old kingdoms...

I'm just trying to see whether all the screaming, crying, and yelling that Chodes do here about muh based times is simply naive, angry, downtrodden men falling for the classic pitfall of "the grass is greener." A romantic postcard fantasy is just that. It's a picture that evokes a mood. But you still have to till the fields for 15 hours a day in the ethnostate, and die in the wars. Chodes will never understand this. They're suckers for the tricks the puppeteers dangle in front of them.

>>523894697
christians dont like either because christians crashed both rome to byzantium that we needed to protect and persecuted if not destroyed literatue and culture up to the 16-18th century.
christians didnt form a christian templar order before until our last stand attempting to resurrect the north sea empire.

at that point, the christian solders were just kissless virgin losers with nothing going for themselves in life but to serve and die to make sure they stayed subservient to the church.
they probably fucked things up more than they did good and still didnt fix the muslim problem.

>>523895382
Idk. It's hard to argue that old times were better than modern times. The Renaissance, the rise of the middle class, the Enlightenment, then the Industrial Revolution, led to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world which we have today, with us at the top. Yeah, the products from China are crap, but most everyone in the 1st world has enough to eat every night, and we all have a basic education and leisure time. And it's only because the rest of the world is working for us. If we were in an ethnostate, again, it'd be the majority of the population, all Whites, tilling the fields all day, and only the top 5% of Whites could have the luxury to be educated... Maybe things would be different now with industrial machines, but still, we directly benefit from global slavery, and if women in Sri Lanka weren't making our clothes in textile factories, it would be us making them for ourselves.

I just don't buy the idea that an ethnostate is the solution to our problems. Sure, mass immigration of browns and blacks is bad, and done by corrupt blood drinking leaders. I wonder if they're right, though, and what their rationale might be. I mean, China is eating and fucking at an astounding rate, and we haven't been as much.

Not to mention conflicts between this White ethnostate and that White ethnostate over stupid tiny cultural differences. It just seems like naivete, delusion, or outright lies and diversion. It's like the elites are convincing us to stop climbing the social ladder, educating ourselves, figuring out how to safeguard out wealth, and pick up a pickaxe and get to work in the mines, all in the name of the ethnostate.

I mean, which language shall we all speak if Europe, America, Canada, and Australia was to unite? Which religion shall we practice? How shall we all dress? What food shall we all eat? How can we be united if we don't have a shared culture? Probably only once everything is automated, and everyone's lives are 90% in VR Chat...

>>523895835
farmers arent black, consider narrowing down what export actually consist of and read consumer patterns.
people dont eat what they dont trust first and foremost just like you dont eat cookies made in india.

ethnostate solution is simple to understand simply from seeing that we are the creators of the world.
the more diluted we are, innovation plummet,

just look at germany, the whole world turned against them and yet they conquered both land, sea and air.
americans bent themselves over willingly just to get them on their side even after germany got destroyed.

quality of production
production/expertise stay within the people and the people stay within the country.

import floods of third worlders, products and services goes to shit, things start to suck and they take your work because they work for less.
this is simple.

>>523896111
Ok Ranjesh

Can you keep your posts down to a couple questions you obnoxious faggot?
Simple answer: Dumb people are dangerous. The commoner is a stupid, violent bag of shit. Want a functional society? You have to keep the idiots on a leash. The problem is good people don't do well with the reins of power. Shit bags get in and make it bad for everyone. There have been more enlightened leaders like Julian, but they don't last.
Humans are garbage. Learn to deal with it.

>>523895835
Of course the mutt opposes a white ethno state

>>523893628
>The Roman Republic's Early Years: During the early years of the Roman Republic, there was a strong sense of civic engagement and participation among citizens. The rulers were often chosen for their wisdom, courage, and leadership abilities, and they worked closely with the people to make decisions.

LOL NO
never in any society in history as a leader been selected for their merit

>>523896339
Are you familiar with the fallacy of Ad Hominem?

>>523896359
>>523893673

>>523896318
Julian's toleration of Arianism was great but he had a seething hatred of Christianity. I don't know much of Christianity but I would never think of persecuting them even if they are easily mind controlled.

>>523896240
you're calling me a jeet when i shit on the entire concept of the jeet flood and how it works after you used ai to help you out?

>>523896402
I don't fucking care you shitskin, go post on reddit because no self respecting white person wants to live in an Abrahamic or secular society anymore

>>523896523
>>523895835
>Idk. It's hard to argue that old times were better than modern times. The Renaissance, the rise of the middle class, the Enlightenment, then the Industrial Revolution, led to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world which we have today, with us at the top. Yeah, the products from China are crap, but most everyone in the 1st world has enough to eat every night, and we all have a basic education and leisure time. And it's only because the rest of the world is working for us. If we were in an ethnostate, again, it'd be the majority of the population, all Whites, tilling the fields all day, and only the top 5% of Whites could have the luxury to be educated... Maybe things would be different now with industrial machines, but still, we directly benefit from global slavery, and if women in Sri Lanka weren't making our clothes in textile factories, it would be us making them for ourselves.
>I just don't buy the idea that an ethnostate is the solution to our problems. Sure, mass immigration of browns and blacks is bad, and done by corrupt blood drinking leaders. I wonder if they're right, though, and what their rationale might be. I mean, China is eating and fucking at an astounding rate, and we haven't been as much.
>Not to mention conflicts between this White ethnostate and that White ethnostate over stupid tiny cultural differences. It just seems like naivete, delusion, or outright lies and diversion. It's like the elites are convincing us to stop climbing the social ladder, educating ourselves, figuring out how to safeguard out wealth, and pick up a pickaxe and get to work in the mines, all in the name of the ethnostate.
>I mean, which language shall we all speak if Europe, America, Canada, and Australia was to unite? Which religion shall we practice? How shall we all dress? What food shall we all eat? How can we be united if we don't have a shared culture? Probably only once everything is automated, and everyone's lives are 90% in VR Chat...


Your response?

>>523896508
You're a Jeet, yes. Turn off VPN.

>>523893479
>>Mass immigration: The Romans did experience significant migration and cultural exchange, particularly during the late empire period. This led to cultural and social changes, as well as tensions between different groups.
>>Particularly during the late empire period
So after jewish christianity took hold that is
Favoring the people that keep you in power and propaganda is a no brainer. That's how you rule and keep ruling 101

>>523896579
that is 6 question marks that you copy pasted with another question to answer 6 in 1.
retarded motherfucking shitskin.

>>523896591
what makes me a jeet when i explained why flooding jeets makes things bad and how ethno-state is the only solution?

you make no fucking sense.

>>523896631
[citation needed]

>>523896677
use your ai again or "take his word for it" retard.

>>523896677
For what part you want citations?

>>523896663
I can tell by the way you speak. It's ok to LARP, and you can be of use to our empire, we need numbers at the end of the day. We can't dominate the entire world with just Whites, we're only 7% of the population. We need to make alliances. If you promise to never eat poop again, you will be allowed to come work for us.

>>523891713
idk about degeneracy, why wouldn't they have?
but for sure, what US has been doing in the middle east and latin america, romans did the same to Germanic and Celtic tribes.
US was not the first one nor the Romans.
Every stronger nation do that to neighbouring or hostile regions.
Using all kinds of schemes coupled with direct action time to time.

you should ask /his/

>>523896727
We're talking about governmental manipulation conspiracies here, you're not going to get that perspective from the AI usually. It said Rome "experienced migration." It didn't verify that the leaders intentionally used that to cause chaos in the working class.

It seems like no one here has a good answer to the OP yet anyway.

>>523896417
then you fail to understand the most basic realities of politics
>iriqouis confederacy
lmao

>>523896734
what empire, the jews you fight for through the myth written by jews that crowns strumps as a savior of jews?
I take it that you are aware that you are using an american flag right now, cant be easy shilling 24/7 for jewish lobbying groups.

>>523896771
Good idea - /his.

But surely making alliances with poor nations and assisting themselves in building themselves up, and then joining forces, should be better for us in the long run. I mean, Mexicans and Hispanics seem like they're appreciative to be here to work, and they don't have the same hatred for us as Blacks do. They know that our government is corrupt and funding their cartels, though.

>>523896872
It has been said that the Jews, as many bad things as so many of them do, are controlled by a higher power (The Vatican).

>>523896798
Well, the leaders of that time caused "immigration" mostly by bringing slaves from conquered territories for cheap labor. Would you classify that as conspiracy?

>>523893479
>Let's see what the AI has to say.
I WILL FUCKING MURDER YOU. I WILL PERSONALLY WALK UP TO YOUR HOUSE WITH A GUN AND MY MOST LOYAL FRIENDS AND I WILL KILL EVERYONE INSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE INCLUDING YOU. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU LEAVE NO LEGACY OR CHILDREN IN THIS PLANET. YOUR SPECIES WILL BE FOREVER GONE FROM THIS EARTH AFTER THIS STUPID NIGGER POST YOU JUST TYPED AND POSTED WITHOUT EXAMINING IT FIRST. YOU ARE A SPECIMEN BOUND TO RIGHTFULL EXTINCTION. AND I AM EXTINCTION FOR YOU, FUCK NIGGER.

>>523896962
Was it the leaders doing this intentionally or just something that happened that no one had any control over? Citation needed.

>>523897018
They cut your foreskin off, didn't they, FBIstein?

>>523891713
Only foreign rulers intentionally spread degeneracy amongst the masses as a means of control. Native rulers don't have incentive to do this, their people having moral strength benefits then more than leading a horde of degenerates.

>>523897018
Shall we drive the blood drinking vampyres from our lands together? Please, join me in this noble quest.

>>523896925
controlled narrative no more believalbe than nordic israelism, simply follow the money and power structure and it leads back to a small group of jews.

>>523897098
I'm wondering whether it's a problem of scale. Once you have millions of people in your empire, across multiple countries, things become more complicated, surely...

I'm asking for actual historical info here, but no one seems to read books any more, here especially lol.

>>523897096
Seems pretty intentional to me. It makes sense, bringing slaves from conquered territories made the ruling class a lot of money and power, but you can't really prove intent of a long dead historical figure, can you? In history, you just take the fragmented incomplete evidence you have and come up with explanations/stories that are most plausible.
You want from me a citation on Romans bringing vast amounts of slave labor from conquered territories like some reddit turbofag? Lol, lmao even

>>523897248
Jews have paper money and diamonds. They had nothing for like 1,000 years, and then were allowed to become rich (by someone). There's this psyop narrative that they somehow conned the entire West and took over. Dude.. There's more than one kind of wealth or power. White names are written into every building, every painting, every piece of music, for the last 10,000 years. Jews have very little comparatively, and no military power either. Very little knowledge of trades or real skills. They are pawns, as far as I'm concerned. They do the bidding of the higher-ups. Look up Jordan Maxwell's interview on YT, he comments about this at one point. He says that Christianity/the Vatican's been ruling Europe for like 1,000-2,000 years, and "The Jews are just a [storefront]".

>>523893479
>Mass immigration: The Romans did experience significant migration and cultural exchange, particularly during the late empire period. This led to cultural and social changes, as well as tensions between different groups.
Yes, shortly after the romans stopped destroying foreign tribes they conquered and dispersing them throughout the empire so they would learn Latin, forget their customers, etc. those later tribes betrayed the empire and helped their relatives destroy the empire.

>>523891713
I think there was always cloak and dagger and intrigue at any point in history.

BUT

Romans preferred their subjected people to love them as it made them easier to control, They'd rather build an aqueduct and have the people realize the benefits of being under roman rule than to murder a town and rule over disenchanted survivors. Romans generally respected peoples culture, noble lineages and beliefs.

The Christians and Jews are to me the first users of targeted social engineering. To me the Christian practice of abhoring idols and heretical thought is one of the major tools that was used to take control of the masses and turn them against the established hierarchies. To me the destruction of idols is tantamount to the communist cultural revolution where the goal was to completely eliminate the roman citizens belief in old traditions and foundational myths and instead replace it with a narrative that the christians could control. I also think that abrahamic religions like to use guilt as a key lever of control, Degeneracy and sacrifices are not really as bad as the christians would make them out to be, but knowing someone was degenerate could give leverage to the church, And while christians love to say that jesus proved that no more human or animal sacrifices would be necessary, it didn't stop the christians from becoming martyrs or killing heretics and apostates in the name of their lord.

>>523897471
paper money you say? no wonder you dont understand how the world works.

>>523897434
Yes, the Roman Empire did experience a significant influx of foreign labor, particularly during the late Republic and early Empire periods. One notable example is Emperor Augustus (27 BC - 14 AD), but it's more attributed to his successors.

The emperor who notably increased foreign labor in Rome was Emperor Claudius (41-54 AD). He launched a series of military campaigns and expanded the empire's borders, which led to an influx of slaves and laborers from conquered territories.

However, a more significant example would be Emperor Trajan (98-117 AD) and his successors. During Trajan's reign, the Roman Empire reached its greatest territorial extent. As a result of his military campaigns, many people from Dacia (modern-day Romania), Germania, and other regions were brought back to Rome as slaves or deportees.

The largest influx of foreign labor, however, occurred during the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD. This was partly due to the Antonine Plague (165-180 AD), which significantly reduced the Roman population and led to a shortage of labor.

As a result, many foreigners, often prisoners of war or people from newly conquered territories, were brought to Rome as slaves or workers. This created tensions among the native Roman working class, as foreign laborers competed with them for jobs and often worked for lower wages.

The most notable example of this phenomenon, however, is likely during the reign of Emperor Aurelian (270-275 AD) and later. Aurelian encouraged the settlement of barbarian tribes within the empire, which led to an influx of foreign workers.

The situation worsened over time, and by the 4th and 5th centuries AD, the Roman Empire was characterized by a large and often contentious immigrant population. The influx of foreign labor and the strain it put on the Roman economy and society contributed to the empire's decline.

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Welp. Isn't the above just what Rome always did, as a natural consequence of building an empire?

>>523897535
I really liked the part where you ignored 95% of what I said and nitpicked a tiny non-issue mistake I made.

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>>523897486
So the empire was doomed to fail eventually. I mean... the whitest countries rule the entire world, today. So it didn't really fail in the end.

It just seems like we're being led on by this childish fantasy of le based castle kingdom. It's hard to extend that idea across thousands of miles of territory, different countries, millions of people...

>>523897527
I'm sure every conquered person was thrilled to be forced to work and pay taxes to Rome in exchange for some aqueducts.

>>523897627
because youre sitting with an ai to anchor in answers for things youve never read about.
When you look at the market, you dont just sit and say "hmm.. Blackrock? huh, just the vatican."

paper and diamonds, fucking hell..
youre probably poor as shit and have no real way of getting food or keeping roof over your head if you would lose your job at mcdonalds.


Its one thing to own a thriving business
another thing to own large businesses and keeping business within the family.

another kind of wealthy to be affiliated with entire institutions and having board of directors sitting in eachothers lap
(while pretending to be competing businesses and industries simultaneously)

>>523897572
>>Welp. Isn't the above just what Rome always did, as a natural consequence of building an empire?
Rome was founded on conquest and slave labor, so yes.
The problem was the scale at which they were doing it at the late stage. The ruling class pretty much replaced the free citizen workers with cheap slave labor. But did they do it with the intent to replace them or did they just upped the antics to save a buck until the empire collapsed? No way to know...

>>523897945
One does not simply take over the West. Get real. Their wealth and power is a house of cards, if they have no claws or backbone. They only exist because Whites allow them to. They are yet another ignorant minority group in our empire, still stuck in the g-o-s-h blessed stone age, performing they blood drinking rituals, and rather than deal with that problem head-on, we just sort of shrug it off and don't worry about it too much. Compared to other minorities in our midst, they don't attack us for the most part. Except the Bolsheviks, supposedly, although I don't know much about that either. But they tend to read the books and play the Chess game fairly well, and we use them for various purposes. But to suggest they actually rule over us is absurd.

Sure, Christianity took over Europe for a long time, and there's a lot of Jewish insanity in there. But Rome was what laid the groundwork for Christianity to even exist. And Christianity is fading from our world, faster and faster, in light of the Sciences and the Arts. The Renaissance happened, the Enlightenment happened.

I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes in the end, whether it's Rome/The Vatican causing this chaos for us, or whether it's The Jews (which it's fucking not, lmao. At least they're not at the top of the pyramid).

Didn't people get robbed when traveling from one town to the other in le based medieval fantasy? How peaceful and unchaotic was it, in the ethnostate, really? We're just being sold a short deck of cards. And we're going to fight for it, tooth and nail, and if we achieve it, we'll have a year of peace, and then They will start screwing things up again...

>>523896925
>It has been said that the Jews, as many bad things as so many of them do, are controlled by a higher power (The Vatican).
Anglo glowniggers say that to distract from the Jews and the CIA.

>>523897870
Holy shit you're dumb.
The peasants generally don't care who ultimately takes their coin. It wasn't an option of no taxes or roman taxes. It was an option between Celtic/Iberian/Egyptian/etc. taxes or roman taxes. Literally didn't matter to the plebs, heck they probably didn't even notice a change in the tax collectors.

But an aqueduct that brings water to the local town is something tangible that would absolutely change the lives around it.

>>523891713
fucking autistic cunt shitting up the boards again. Neck yourself tranny.

>>523898248
your entire fucking message is a full blob of aboslute jibberish that seems like you have no idea of what youre talking about.
just using buzzwords in places as you see fit without referring to anything that functions in the real world.

no wonder youre sitting with ai in between every single reply.

>>523898104
My biggest issue is the fantasy ideas we're being led on by. I fail to see how life is better in an ethnostate than it is now. Obviously, things are more dangerous when you bring a million brown people into your White country, for a period. A small percentage could or will be violent, and cause a fair amount of chaos, even though 99.5% of the people are peaceful.

I mean, we have this fantasy of feudal Japan, or even modernized Japan... Japan was basically forced to industrialize, rapidly, and adopt Western dress and culture. I doubt that was a pleasant experience, no matter how homogenous their population was (it wasn't homogenous anyway, each island has distinct cultures, partly based on the different climates, agriculture, and things that arise from those differences).

Look what Hitler did! He whipped Whites into working and sent them to war, and killed a lot of other Whites! Because they refused to pledge allegiance to him, I guess, Idk.

Obviously, foreign immigrants can't be as trustworthy as your own flesh and blood kin. But we're not in the stone age any more. We're not talking about one castle town. We have to build alliances with other peoples and other cultures. Hitler fucking allied with Japan, which has literally nothing in common with Western culture! They have light skin and black hair, much like Jews, although they are hotter.

I maintain that "everyone who isn't White, get out" is a doomed foreign policy, as much as I'd like it to be the answer to our problems...

>>523898679
> I fail to see how life is better in an ethnostate than it is now.
this is essentially where youre trying to anchor in this whole discussion to, so lets stop beating around the bush.

Youre an immigrant in the united states, most likely and you refuse to see reality for what it is.

> Production stays within the country and the ethnic population
Production remains reliable, consistent and of high quality = people are paid well and life is good.

> Production is done by imported third worlders
Production becomes unstable, cant trust the quality, paid less and ethnic population is out of work, lack housing, life suck.

how fucking hard is it to understand?
I make a fucking awesone product
i teach my son, people trust our family
third generation becomes lazy, dont give a shit and dont teach their son.


> that third generation dont know what made our family great
cant make good quality products
family name is in the shits

> same shit if you replace workforce with third worlders
theyre not just uneducated
they have less iq.
straight out of the factory and already broken

Hitler didnt make the worlds greatest economical recovery for no reason
he put the money on his people 100%

>>523897789
Yes, as soon as they started accepting in lesser blooded humans as "Romans" they diluted their blood and led to the ultimate collapse of the empire.
And empire fully populated by native Romans never would have submitted the way the late roman empire did. They also wouldn't have put up with the corruption in the empire.

>>523898679
>26 posts by this AI
> I fail to see how life is better in an ethnostate than it is now
Because in an ethnostate, there is no group of jews/somalis/jeets abusing in-group preference to game theory their way to the top. This means everyone can work together. And everyone working together means a strong society, with less corruption, more achievement (more shit, less pain), and less chance of being conquered and killed by your enemies.

>>523898992
I'm a born and raised American, 7/8 White Euro, 1/8 Italian. I'm not trying to win this argument for my own sake, I'm honestly just playing devil's advocate because it doesn't seem to hold up, logically. Look at this post:
>>523897572
It's basically proving my point. The ethnostate makes sense inside the castle wall, but beyond that it's hard or impossible to make work.

Imagine if every European country formed an alliance, kicked all non-Whites and Jews out tomorrow. Then we take over the world, kill all the non-White men, enslave the male children and castrate them, and breed the women until their children are all bleached. Even at that point, we'd still have competition between each other. Fierce competition. Cutthroat competition. There would still be a hierarchy. We would still be competing against each other, trying to get a leg up on the other guy. Everyone would still be working all day, every day, in order to win out over everyone else in town. White group A will compete with White group B.

That issue aside, the thing about building an Empire, is that you are forced to assimilate foreign cultures and peoples, in order to grow your numbers. And fucking obviously, like you just said, when you enslave people in foreign countries, they screw up your products, so that obviously isn't working. So they probably figure that maybe if we bring a token population of them to our country, and they enjoy a better standard of living here, then we can use them as collateral, almost, against these other poorer countries, and that means that ultimately, we have brought in another country into our empire.

>>523899382
Again, logically, it makes no sense that White ethnostatists here shill for Japan. You know, there are hot, rich, light-skinned Chinese women, Russian women, Jewish women, really most societies have hot women with light skin. So then you say we choose Japan because of their military might. Ok, well again this still has nothing to do with Evropa. They're literally mercenaries for us.

Remember when you were a liberal, and you were more than happy to interact with non-Whites, and learn about their culture, and dance their dance, now and again? Look at every conservative society in history: it was steamrolled over by a melting pot empire. Wake up.

I'm not saying we shouldn't choose to assimilate this culture over that one. But we can't just sit around in our little White playground all day and expect everything to be sunshine and daisies. And even if we did take over the world, everyone would still be breaking their backs and risking their necks every single day.

Really the promise of le ethnostate, of White good, everyone else bad; is simply a promise of you doing less manual labor, personally, moving up in society, becoming richer, benefiting from the manual labor of others. And do you really think that every other White guy who breaks his back for you every day will just say,

>>523899382
>I'm honestly just playing devil's advocate because it doesn't seem to hold up, logically.
continues to talk about slavery and mass castration and bleaching.

YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED.
you have no argument, you make the absolute most absurd assumptions of what an ethno-state
its not just stupid and absurd, it sounds like a fetishized story written by a deranged feminazi with a rape fantasy.

> "BREED THEM BLEACHED"
holy fucking shit, we dont even need the outside world for more than citrus fruits that nignog can get money from
most of the world lives from the donations from white countries and has been for decades with nothing to show for it.

you have no fucking argument.

we only need to isolate the outside world and make sure we can buy oranges and bananas when its cold and dark.

>>523899641
... "Oh yeah, well, he's a better man than me, so I guess I'll just have to work for him, and I'll stay in my lane, and never try to usurp him!"

What we're being sold is a utopia, a heaven. An end to toil, strife, war, and death. And I'm afraid that neither the ethnostate nor Total White Victory leads to any of that. Sorry, but it looks like it's back to the drawing board for you.

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>>523891713
Why would they weaken themselves?

They already had a massive jew problem which was only fixed when Christianity took power though.

>>523896631
imagine being this much of a historylet

mass migration practically ended when christianity came to power because the mass migration was partially the importing of slaves and partially economic migrants, christians nuked the economy and nuked the taking of slaves bringing migration to unseen lows

>>523891713
no they didn't

>>523899203
Wasn't it simply a matter of scale? It became too big at a certain point, and couldn't be controlled under a single leadership? Idk that much about it beyond what I was taught in school. Still working on Egypt.
>>523899268
This is a fantasy. In an ethnostate, everyone still competes with each other to move up or down the social ladder. Cutthroat competition. Stealing your girl at the bar. Fistfights. Gangs. Etc.

Look at picrel, it's a more accurate depiction of our world than the typical Chess board. The world isn't just black and white, with two sides against each other. There is an incredibly complex system at work, that none of us neckbeards can hope to begin to understand thoroughly. And we're being conned by the puppeteers. And all I'm doing is daring to question whether the fantasy we're being sold will pan out.

Note: ignore that the board is layed out in a hexagram. It could be a pentagram, or an octagram even. It doesn't matter. The point is that when it comes to international politics, it's a lot more complicated than Red vs. Blue.

>>523899814
after rome had already collapsed? wtf are you on about

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>>523899743
Rome fell pretty much immediately following the council of Nicea. The christcucks allowed it to fall.

>>523899691
>we only need to isolate the outside world
Then why did we feel the need to colonize Africa and the Americas? Why is China buying up land in South America, even today? Why did we need to send Whites into the colonies? Why didn't we just stay in Europe, and trade with them?

Because it's more gosh darned complicated than that you silly idiot. If we don't establish colonies, then our opponent empires will. They will take over the territory, use it for farming, and increase their numbers, and eventually take us over.

Newsflash: Rome expanded and took over foreign countries, took control of them, and that's why it rose to become the power it did.

If colonization is necessary, then you're going to need to send your people into the colonies to deal with them. Colonists will breed with the colonized. Who is to be tasked with this? The screw-ups of your society, and that's exactly what was done, at least with Australia. I think America too.

It's not to say that there's no light at the end of the tunnel. It just means that the way forward is a little more complicated than "build a big wall and keep non-Whites out." You can be a compassionate White colonizer. You can treat your slaves well. They know they could be getting whipped a lot harder by this or that empire, and they will appreciate and help you for it. Hopefully.

Suffice it to say that whether the entire world is conquered and bleached, or whether we kick all non-Whites out, and keep them at arm's reach and just trade with them (this is incredibly stupid because they WILL be recruited by opposing empires and band together against us, given enough time), we will still toil every day, fight and compete with each other, for a higher spot on the food chain.

So it sounds like the key to happiness really is being upper class. But that seems like hardly the answer to happiness either.

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>>523896631
nope, it was already problem long before that and one of the reason why republic transformed into empire

>>523891713
>Is the idea that before Da Jooz, everything was perfect and serene, a big ol' delusion?
Yes. Its even more funny when you read the Jewish War and see that Romans used (((jewish))) tactics to subvert and take over jewish kingdom and was doing similar stuff before and after to various other kingdoms(including parthians)

See how quickly the facade of good faith falls? They just can't help themselves. Pretty much gave it away with the OP "da jooz" pilpul anyway.