It's not even just ancient history. Even most historical record from the 20th century is gone forever. Local newspapers, radio broadcasts, TV broadcasts, much of the inter. Dead, dead, dead forever. The most important thing we can do that is within most everyone's means is to archive the present.So pick something and archive it. Don't let it all disappear forever. Even if you think it's unimportant you never know how important the record could be in the future. You could be like the man that stored Babylonian accounting tablets.
>>523892946memes will be lost too!
>>523892946and buy your storage now.sata drives are leaving the market soon and some manufacturers are cutting supplies to consumers in favor of supplying datacenters/ai bubble. everythings gonna exponentially increase in price and more things are going to force "muh cloud"
>>523893047Try finding some of the old Moonman songs. It’s already happening >>523892946Always been that way. We’re still fighting to recover fragments of lost Greco-Roman literature to this day
>>523892946Yeah so what who cares the truth and historical accuracy hasn't mattered for atleast 100 years.
go back tranny >>>/a/
I doubt that filling a bunch of hard drives that will probably eventually be destroyed anyway with useless shit will benefit me or future generations.
You don't have to do a perfect job archiving by the way. Even if some its missing is better than none at all. It's great if you organize and label everything perfectly, but archeologists will make do sweeping up fosilised fragments of records.Anything is better than nothing
>>523893436Everyone says the internet is forever but idk man the web is still young in the grand scheme of things and a lot of stuff is already gone. Books can survive for thousands of years under the right conditions. Maybe the internet isn’t actually all that great for saving info over the long term. Servers crash and hard drives get wiped etc.
>>523893267newnigger.
>>523893436You seed those hard drives on archive.org
>>523893539You want me to transcribe all the useless shit on my hard drives into books? That's insane.
>>523893630Might take a while but if you bury them under the Nevada desert they’ll probably still be there in 10,000 years. How much of 4chan will still be around?
>>523893588Where do you think that useless shit would be stored? That's not addressing the problem, it's not about whether I personally own the hard drives or someone else does.
>>523892946That's not important at all. It is the the fate of all things to disappear and be forgotten.
>>523893703>Might take a whileYeah no shit, I couldn't do it in a hundred lifetimes.
>>523892946https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHcSocial media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
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>>523893735You do two things1) proliferate as widely possible2) submit or donate to preservation or archival institions that will probably be around longer than youYou can't do more than that unless you're rich
>>523893802This guy gets it. And might I add, everything that is done, will be undone...Now cry about it pussies
>>523893997If even I don't care about all my useless shit I doubt anyone else does. In a hundred years when I'm long dead do you think anyone will care too research how many error messages I got on my work laptop this year? I don't even know if the system saves that because garbage collection is fundamental to memory management.
>>523892946As a rapidly aging fuck, I've been considering this lately. I've got a 500 gb ssd that has a life expectancy supposedly of 3-10 years. I've got two hdds that have an expected lifespan of 3-7 years. And I've got a 100 pack spindle of dvd+rs that have an expected lifespan of somewhere between 2-100 years, which is fucking ridiculous but there you are, and they have the drawback of only handling 4.7 Gb per disc. So what we're actually facing is the fact that digital media can possibly expire within 3 years while paper can last hundreds of years under the right circumstances.Make of it what you will. People are archiving volume digitally, is it worth it?Most of what's published is crap. What's worth preserving, even in an era of mass digitalization and ease of storage?
>>523894092>>523893802>>523894234Imagine If the monks that saved what we have left of classical Writing had your mindset
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>>523894395Just go with your niche interests
>>523894465Imagine if they had yours. They'd never even get around to the stuff they thought was important because there's so much else that's unimportant.
>>523892946I still can't believe nobody saved the actual video of this beautiful song man.https://web.archive.org/web/20201101110241/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeoQbYmp7kQ
>>523893267Newfag trump tourist
>>523894569My niche interest in this case is figuring out how to archive data properly. I'm leaning toward DVD+r, even though it's 4.7 Gb limit is such that a 100 pack spindle of them still doesn't match a 500 Gb ssd. Their lifespan potential is just longer, though their demand on physical storage space is larger. HDDs are cheap but seem to be losing their appeal, though they can have benefits still over SSDs. Maybe the thing to do is to make use of whatever data you feel is so important, then stop letting it be so important, and having used it, bin that shit. It all goes away eventually, like it or not. Might as well be in control of its departure as not.
>>523894732No. Far worse. That's the rejected /qa/ afterbirth that is the sharty.
I can remember in the late 90s, I was really into magazines, especially gaming magazines and tech stuff. In the years before 2000, there were tonnes of Y2K survival magazines and they were all ridiculous.Fearmongering bullshit about how we are all gonna die, ads for storable food, bible-themed nuclear fallout blankets, just absolute fear porn and grifting.I wish I had saved some of those.Nobody did. You can find a few old books online about the Y2K non-happening, but very few people would have bought or kept those magazines.They would be hilarious to read today
>>523892946Good, almost nothing of value was created after the 18th century.99% of information is useless and garbage, like this post.
>>523892946Most science studies are not publish, so if someone dies because a company tries something, they son't publish it and another company does it.
>>523893118>sata drives are leaving the market soonThis is total garbage and not true. SATA SSDs are going to be made less, but they serve no purpose because they are just worse than M.2. The term 'SATA drive' makes everyone think of hard drives- and those aren't going anywhere at all.>>523893436Put useful stuff in there then. And put some of it on M-DISC, which should outlast hard drives anyway (but they are much smaller). If that's annoying, just blu-rays of good quality will outlast all other easily accessible media.
>>523892946>Most historical records will disappear foreverThat or the yid and vatican scribes will purposely change the historical record. Funnily enough, kikes are putting big effort into preserving all their entertainment garbage of the past century. Yids think people are going to care about their jew hollywood produced garbage.
>>523892946Tape. For mass storage (1PB+) anons, Tape storage solutions are far cheaper than sata. The inflection point changes a lot with the market, of course, but seriously, over say 300TB, you want a tape based solution
>>523897732>just blu-rays of good quality will outlast all other easily accessible media.Oooh.
>>523894395That's a super interesting point. So do we want robots to read paper? With the densest lossless encoding + compression scheme with error correction what can we get from a printed page?
>>523898396Robots can already read paper with OCR. They may not do it well, but they can do it. AI LLMs can translate language to language, though they suck at it. AI still makes things up when it doesn't have the answer, so asking it to translate runic characters seems inadvisable at best. As far as doing lossless compression on printed material I don't really understand the question. It's not a matter of the material, but a matter of the technological limitations, so it doesn't matter what you're encoding, it's the lifespan of the media that counts. Or maybe you're suggesting OCR for hand written pages? I'm not really sure where you're headed here. But if so, you can imagine the difficulty of the task. OCR can't come close to recognizing hand written script yet. I imagine you'd be lucky to get it to recognize variable fonts.
>>523893703I actually live relatively close to the Mojave, I'd do that, start printing out 4plebs or something, definitely have to crowd source it but I'm retired and don't really have anything better to do lol. Dunno get some pelican cases or something and put a trailer on my ATV. I'd be down. Don't think anyone would care if i tossed some in some remote caves
>>523899075Pay some Home Depot spics to help me
>>523898755Not ocr. Closer to qr. If I'm gonna store a shitload of data, english (or any language) characters are suboptimal. What if you want to store an image or a whole page. A binary encoding (thinking more like the barcodes in the files in GITS SAC that has the Murai Vaccine recipients) for storage. The idea that paper books last longer than any digital media, means it would be for extremely long term. I've seen cd's made with cheaper raw materials degrade in decades, so thinking like, a paper format for extra-long term storage. I just think it's a neat idea. Should not be discounted.
>>523892946Woah now, hold on. In order to achieve communist utopia, history itself must end. Preserving it prevents us from achieving the true endgame here.
I saved some of the covid stuff.
>>523899122I know I have the 4th edition of barcodes around here somewhere, but don't know if it covers Toyota's qr formats, or anything after that technique spread. Someone who works for UPS or Amazon software prolly has access to a better system, but it's probably krufty overspecialized enterprise shit that doesn't work without all the pieces.The beauty of storing something like 4plebs in that, is that each page could be stored as an ipfs page, and the site would be impossible to take down, as long as people were willing to keep nodes up. It would be censorship proof, and instead of a url, which can be blocked at dns, it would be a hash map, of hashes, so it would be impossible to censor. But getting people to use it would be hard, unless of course, their access got censored.Like, a qr code, or the microprint on the back of gov IDs, expanded to cover a whole 8x11 piece of printer paper, with a resolution that allows for you to use piece of shit super market electronics section inkjet printer, and still get ECC. Implementation of the page reader/writer wouldn't be too crazy. There has to one open source project that does custom size QR codes out of the box.EncodeCompressWriteReadDecompressDecodePublishJust an idea.
>>523899700I'm cool with people deciding to say fuck it and destroy history, as long as they're my kind of people.
>>523892946>is completely oblivious about things like archives and libraries>probably considers archive.org trannies>equates an inability to recover a specific amateur blowjob clip on goonhub from 7 years ago with large scale loss of historically important data
>>523892946I really don't care. What good is preservation when kikes can effortlessly run obvious hoaxes like the holocaust, evils of slavery, evils of colonization, and even contemporary shit like Fent Floyd? The Constitution is preserved perfectly, and what good has that done us?All that matters is power in the present.
>>523900065and then you have people like this dumbfuck tranny swede who don't even know that it's a problem because they've never once tried following a wikipedia reference link more than ten years old
ANONYMOUS ONLINETo anonymity always!
>>523893436As long as storage devices exist, digital files can be copied. Don't listen to late zoomers/alphas who don't understand how data degradation actually works.
>>523901467How does data degradation actually work
>>523892946how about no one cares and we let it get lost forever?
>>523892946Bump archiving is God work
>>523892946EXT. BERNSTEIN LAW – MIDNIGHT, CHRISTMAS EVE>Snow swirls across the entry sign: “Michigan’s First Family of Law®.”```A Lions-blue neon glow flickers through the frosted windows. Inside, the mood has shifted. The cozy holiday warmth is gone. In its place: quiet intensity. Something brooding.=INT. MARK BERNSTEIN’S PRIVATE OFFICE=Barry Sanders stands near the window, watching the snow fall. Behind him, Mark Bernstein unlocks a tall, steel-hinged storage closet. A massive puff of white powder tumbles out like a winter landslide—bagged, stacked bricks of it—an avalanche of photoluminescent road powder.Bernstein grabs one of the bricks, drops it on his desk with a hollow *THUNK*, slices it open with a gold-plated letter opener, and begins cutting razor-straight lines of glowing white. He doesn’t look up.MARK (calmly, darkly):>"Sit down, Barry. Shut the hell up. Let me show you how the world really fucking works."He tosses a crumpled newspaper clipping onto the desk—Red & Black, dated November 2013.>“Word has just hit the presses around the world that our government has been spying, not on our ‘enemies’ as would be expected, but on countries that could be considered allies: Mexico, France and Germany.”—Lauryn Halahurich, "America Spies On Its Allies," Red & Black, Nov. 2013.
>>523902606..=[THE UK'S FAVORITE BOOK?]=https://thesuntimesnews.com/isle-royale-south-desor-campground-tragedy/```>“By all accounts, it began with the slamming of a latrine door.”>“Then came the screams. Not brief, not accidental, but drawn out and relentless, according to Redditor u/redblackrider, who posted their June 6, 2025, experience on the r/isleroyale subreddit.”>“Repetitive threats of self-harm and violence rang out…chilling enough to abandon camp.”>“Two days later…two bodies [were found] at a remote campsite within Isle Royale National Park.”>“Given the disturbing nature of the situation…the FBI [was called in].”>“According to Dr. Michael McAllister…the deaths are being investigated as a suspected murder-suicide.”>“The Keweenaw County Clerk has denied FOIA requests…Death certificates completed June 24, but cause and manner still pending.”The Sun Times News frames the deaths as self-contained psychological implosion, echoing the “unhinged man” heard in later MLive recordings. This is exactly the type of narrative containment that would function as an “alibi” if a hostile actor were using chaos, confusion, or misdirection.```
>>523902626https://www.mlive.com/news/2025/07/isle-royale-911-call-im-going-to-murder-us-all.html```>“For about the last hour…there’s someone down there who’s completely unhinged.”>“We’ve heard him say…go ahead and kill yourself…I’m going to murder us all.”>“The call was initially received by police in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada, and transferred to Michigan State Police.”>“We packed up and got out of there…a gut feeling said, get out.”>“The bodies…were identified as Bradley Kenneth Baird, 30 and his father John David Baird, 60.”>“Cause of death listed as ‘pending’…FBI conducting investigation.”>“The hike typically takes five to eight days…no permanent residents…accessible only by ferry, seaplane or private boat.”The first 911 call went to Canada. Thunder Bay police answered before Michigan. This is extremely unusual for a U.S. National Park emergency.```https://www.mlive.com/news/2025/08/hikers-chilling-911-call-warned-of-danger-41-hours-before-two-bodies-were-found-at-michigans-remote-isle-royale.html```>“For about the last hour…there’s someone down there who’s completely unhinged.”>“Initially we heard two voices and now…it’s been just one voice.”>“The disturbance occurred at South Desor Lake Campground…about an 11-mile hike from the nearest access point.”>“Hiker reported finding two dead men…later identified as Bradley… and John Baird…”>“Officials haven’t concluded cause or manner of death…murder-suicide is suspected.”This article’s timeline underscores delays, and the 41-hour gap, which contributes to the appearance of a pre-scripted explanation.```
>>523902644>“Initially, we heard two voices…now it’s been just one voice…‘Go ahead and kill yourself. I’m going to kill myself.’”1:01–1:08 –>“Caller out on Isle Royal. Um I did contact Isle Royal Rangers…”1:26–1:33 –>“My name is Antonio Robinson, chief ranger…”1:53–2:03 –>“Do you guys have a dead body on Isle Royale?…Yeah, we got two of them.”2:22–2:26 –>“One of our rangers is…gonna hike in tonight. That’s going to be a while.”2:55–3:01 –>“Dead bodies at Isle Royale National Park.”3:07–3:12 –>“This is the sister of the hiker that found the body…”```YouTube comments also reinforce institutional confusion:>“Every single one of the dispatchers and cops are terrible communicators.”– @David-r3f9t>“Especially the ‘mmm uh uh mmm’ ranger.”– @aliceinoregonland333>“He couldn’t even speak or form a sentence.”– @ryanseifferlein6785>“I wonder if part of the FBI investigation had anything to do with him being drunk while on duty?”– @SusanStephens-j1o>“Mess is the right word.”– @tkarzThe tone of the audio and comments alike is one of confusion, poor communication, jurisdictional misalignment, near-incompetence, and unclear role boundaries. This is exactly the kind of fog-of-war scenario that an external hostile actor would exploit to conceal operations.The Sun Times News article includes:>“according to Redditor u/redblackrider, who posted their June 6, 2025, experience…”*-*Trump has a hand in this, too.
I see enough post-apocalyptic stuffs to know that my gaming gadgets will be worth more than a house.
>>523892946Problem is with the actual archiving. Data on drives won't survive for long. Your longer timeframe options are either paper stored in good conditions (can you ensure those conditions, probably not) or stone tablets
>>523903210There is nothing worth archiving or saving. 99.99% of digital content is garbage, the knowledge worth preserving (useful) will be copied to new drives all the time- So yeah im sorry if you lost all the mangas done in 2013 or somethingh, nobody will care
>>523893952Based as fuck
