Give it another few hundred billion

What am i looking at?

when all the mines have been stepped on.

>>523899483
Fiber optic wire from drones.

>>523899261
have you stopped beating your wife?


they will never win, only survive at best

>>523899566
Crazy. But i don't understand
Why so much wires above that unharmed village? Is it the base of drone operations or something?

>>523899694
>unharmed village
>half the roofs are missing or damaged
Supposedly Russia is focusing on killing drone operators. Are they triangulating signals to their source? Or something else?

>>523899694
The wires cover the area they fly overtop of, spooled off the back of the drone, and not where they strike. The wire is typically between 10-20km from where the operator is, so there is quite a lot of cable to film.

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>>523899261
It already won when Russians backed off from Kiev. Until Russians are capable of taking Kiev and subjugate Ukraine, this war will go to history as Ukrainian victory - same way Winter War was victory for Finland despite territorial loses and enforced neutrality.

If you ask when there's a peace, it's hard to tell, as nobody want's this war to stop.

Russian leadership lives in a bubble, where Russia is 4th economy in the world and 70% of Ukrainians want to join Russia. They think they're winning as long as they are capable of sending cannon fodder to the front.

Europe wants to grind Russia as much as possible, so it sends Ukraine more money and stuff, so that Ukrainian cannon fodder isn't grinded before Russian is.

Ukrainians don't want to surrender on Russian terms because it's existential threat for them in long run.

There are also Americans who seems to want this war to continue to weaken Europe. That or they're just incredibly retarded in their relations with Russia.

2 weeks

>>523899939
>10-20km
Thx i had no idea

>>523899261
two more gibs

>>523899261
>with jews you lose
never

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>>523899261
14:1

>>523899261
After another 200 billion Euros later

>>523900532
>6 gorillion

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>>523900118
>It already won when Russians backed off from Kiev.
You're so god damn fucking stupid. Pic-related.

>Europe wants to grind Russia as much as possible
To be fair, Europe wants to grind both Ukraine and Russia. The more Ukraine is destroyed the better.

>Ukrainians don't want to surrender on Russian terms because it's existential threat for them in long run.
Ukraine was under Russian rule for hundreds of years. When exactly did Russia become an existential threat?

>There are also Americans who seems to want this war to continue to weaken Europe.
America doesn't give a flying fuck about Eurocucks. You have no power, and you'll never have power. You are Ukraine to us. A bunch of fucking retards with Jewish governments who will do our bidding.

America is backing off so we can use you retards like we did in WWII. There is no one dumber than a Eurocuck.

>>523899483
Liberated towns. People celebrating in the streets.

>>523900118
>in a bubble
I think they know they now have no choice but to continue the war, or get their full demands. They're not retards, but have made a bet on a war economy and it is looking like an increasingly dangerous bet to have made.

>>523900210
no probs krautbro. I find the length of them astounding personally. My conception of fiber optics I have installed is that they are incredibly fragile, so I'm shocked they can be used this way in war. Stretched over all those buildings and trees but still were able to send a video signal (Though they're probably of a very different construction than something like the type that is used in SMF net.)

>>523899261
i thought i was looking at an sea in beggining of the vid for first few secs

>>523899261
modern warfare is so gay
who tf is gonna clean that up and how?

>>523899261
The war has gone on longer than the great patriotic war now. Pretty sure ukraine is winning.

>>523900532
source?

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>>523900962
>>523900532
>source?
Stop with the antisemitism.

I have everything they need physically and digitally

They can win if their leader is someone I trust not Zelensky

>>523900693
KEEEEEEK, RUSSIA LOST ALREADY IVAN. THEY SAID THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING DESTROYED. KEEEEKKKK YOU'LL NEVER HAVE KEIV. YOU WILL LOSE 2 MILLION MEN FOR 18% OF UKRAINE


KEEEKK

>>523900693
>Russians voluntarily backed off Kiev as an act of good will
You are absolutely retarded if you believe that.
>the more Ukraine is destroyed the better.
Destroyed Ukraine is not in the interests of anyone west to Minsk. Ukraine was pretty shitholish even before the war and it wasn't beneficiary to anyone except for Russia.
>Ukraine was under Russian rule for hundreds of years. When exactly did Russia become an existential threat?
You think that e.g. Crimea was always populated with Russians?
>America doesn't give a flying fuck about Eurocucks
So much that entire National Security Stragy that was published recently revolves around how Europe is bad.

>we didnt need Xyzmsk(iv)
>it's strategically unimportant
>the giant russian spiders can have it

25000 soldiers used to breave here
now it's a cocoontown

>>523901511
>we didnt need kiev
>it's strategically unimportant
>the small ukrainian spiders can have it
Lol

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>>523901391
>You are absolutely retarded if you believe that.
I linked the fucking article, retard.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/29/europe/russia-reduce-assault-kyiv-plan-intl/index.html
>Destroyed Ukraine is not in the interests of anyone west to Minsk
The losing side has an incentive to make sure Ukraine is completely worthless to the other side. Nothing would be worse than Russia gaining Ukraine in one piece.
>You think that e.g. Crimea was always populated with Russians?
Do you even know the historical demographics of Crimea you fucking moron? There were ALWAYS far more Russians than Ukrainians.
>So much that entire National Security Stragy that was published recently revolves around how Europe is bad.
No, retard. The National Security Strategy is just pissed that our vassals are useless to us because most Eurocucks don't want to fight Russia. It's basically just sign-tapping to Europe. We want to install some Trump candidates in Europe to get you retards ready for war.

>>523900883
>I think they know they now have no choice but to continue the war, or get their full demands. They're not retards, but have made a bet on a war economy and it is looking like an increasingly dangerous bet to have made.

In Russian system subordinates always lie to their supervisors. Also people are chosen according the their loyalty and not competence.

E.g. During publich speech 2 days ago Minister of Defence Belousov (who is economist with no military experience) said that Russian army took Kupyansk. Fact is that Russia took Kupyansk 2 months ago, but it was recently re-taken by Ukrainians. Minister doesn't know that, because he just doesn't care about all that "military" part of the war. Later he passes his information to commander-in-chief (Putin) and that information occupies Putin's mind for another few months.

Putin doesn't read internet to pop this bubble. He meets with with some Witkoff who wants to make some business with him on behalf of United States of America.

>>523899261
>When will Ukraine start wining /pol/?
Someday they'll take Moscow... someday...

>>523901707
You are absolutely fucking retarded.

Russia retreated from Kyiv because they didn't have the forces to take it, not because of some peace treaty that didn't exist that Boris Johnson ruined

>>523899483
Spider territory.

>>523899261
Steiner will have a successful breakthrough near the Kiev Zoo and will push back the Russians to Moscow.

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>>523900118
Stale old boomer bait.
0/10
for the effort

>>523902281
>>523901391
It's really funny that so many zigs claiming "Kyiv was a feint" were there in Feb/March 2022 cheering for the VDV because taking Hostomel will be key for occupying the capital

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>>523902281
>Russia retreated from Kyiv because they didn't have the forces to take it
Russia retreated from Kiev because it was strategically retarded to hold it. They would have had to turn the whole city into rubble. Russia hoped to pressure Zelensky early, but that didn't work, so they pulled out and focused on Eastern Ukraine. Which most Ukrainians don't give a fuck about it, or is pro-Russia.

>>523902510
But you retards have pretend Russia couldn’t have opened and kept open a front line on the northern flanks. They mission simply isn’t there, and once the land bridge to Crimea was complete there was withdraw from the northern theatre.

There’s nothing preventing a Russian operation in the north today.

>>523899483
North Korean army. There's 100k in the video.

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>>523901707
>I linked the fucking article,
Like I said, you're absolutely retarded if you trully believe that.
>The losing side has an incentive to make sure Ukraine is completely worthless to the other side.
Retarded logic. Russians themselves turn into ruin everything they touch. They turned once wealthy Donbas into absolute shithole that's not even beneficiary to themselves anymore. Russia won't benefit anything from taking rest of Ukraine, except for getting closer for their next targets (Poland, then Germany, then rest of Europe).

Nobody wants another several hundred kilometers of border with Russia and that's why independent Ukraine must be there. To be effective bumper against Russia, Ukraine must be strong, not weak.
>There were ALWAYS far more Russians than Ukrainians.
I thought we're talking about "hundreds of years"? I suppose you know nothing about Crimean Tatars who constituted over 3/4 of Crimean population in 19th century.

Ukraine was systematically colonized by Russians for all these centuries. That's why so many Ukrainians speak Russian.
>We want to install some Trump candidates in Europe to get you retards ready for war.
Oh, I see you're some geo-politics big brain. So, against who this war will be? Because for some reason these "Trump candidates in Europe" are usually those who want to surrender to Russia?

Belters already flooded the thread

>>523902712
>Ukraine must be strong
That ship sailed

>>523899261
its a war of attrition
both sides are all in
it unironically does not end until one side (or both) collapses
thats the only way out of this

>>523902541
>They would have had to turn the whole city into rubble.
Which is literally what they're doing where they are capable of doing so. If they didn't do it with Kiev, it means they're just too weak, not that they have no will to do so.

>>523902712
We have a special name for the special men who call everyone and their grandmother's cat "retarded". Did you ever ask yourself why your whore mother hated your from birth and never took the time to teach you the most basic of manners?

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>>523902712
>you're absolutely retarded if you trully believe that.
You said Ukraine won when Russia backed off from Ukraine. While Russia wanted to pressure Zelensky, Russia never wanted to "take" Kiev. If Russia had wanted to take Kiev, Kiev would look like Bakhmut. The question then is, why didn't Russia want to turn Kiev into rubble?

The reality is, Russia doesn't need to take Kiev to win this war. What Russia actually needs to win this war is either to collapse the Kiev regime, or Odessa.

>Russians themselves turn into ruin everything they touch.
Rofl, that's because they have no choice, retard. Why can't you think strategically for once in your life? Both sides have an incentive to destroy whatever they think they will lose. Why do you think Zelensky forces Ukrainians to hold these towns to the last man?

>I thought we're talking about "hundreds of years"?
Crimean Tatars aren't Ukrainians and they hate Ukrainians. Furthermore, Crimean Tatars are fucking Mongols who stole the land. Regardless, wtf does this have to do with the current war?

>Ukraine was systematically colonized by Russians for all these centuries. That's why so many Ukrainians speak Russian.
It was Ukraine that colonized Novorossiya, retard. How do you think Ukraine got all this land? Ukraine didn't even exist until 1991.

>Oh, I see you're some geo-politics big brain.
Tell me retard, what does America gain from NATO?

>>523899261
I have never seen something like this.

>>523903150
>If they didn't do it with Kiev, it means they're just too weak
it certainly hasnt been from lack of effort. they launch shit at kyiv basically weekly. kyiv just has a lot of anti-air and jamming capabilities, and ruskies are firing from range so they cant depend on drones/munitions with a smaller radar profile. as such, most get shot down

>>523903253
its cuz its never happened before

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>>523903150
>Which is literally what they're doing where they are capable of doing so.
Listen, nigger. If you've watched people being interviewed in Ukraine, you would realize that a lot of people in Ukraine basically refuse to fight Russia over Crimea and the Donbas. They would rather just let these territories go because they're filled with Russians anyway.

On the other hand, these people say they will fight for their homes if Russia comes. But their homes are mostly West of the Dnieper.

Regardless, Russia has largely avoided fighting in or near large cities. Fighting primarily in small to medium-sized towns and village. There's no other way to kill the Ukrainian Army than to blow them up where they are. If Ukraine wants to fight in the open, they should do that and then Russia wouldn't destroy anything.

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>>523900883
They're not that fragile. The tensile strength is rather high, you have to bend them with force to break them. The problem in telecoms context is that when a fibreoptic wire breaks, you cannot just mend it like a copper wire, you have to dig up and replace the entire section. Which is a huge fucking drama every time. So you better treat that cable like porcelain. You don't want to be the idiot who broke it.

>>523899483
end of nofap november

>>523903567
from what ive heard, the more common issue isnt the fiber "breaking", but rather the fiber getting "caught" on something and no longer being able to spool out properly

>>523900118
Interesting observations.
I would hope if Poland were invaded there would be a wave of Catholic sympathy.

>>523899261
>The coolest thing ever OP
>Half of the thread is some Pole crying

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>>523903226
>either to collapse the Kiev regime
Which won't happen because until Russian are physically capable of taking Kiev, there are no pro-Russian candidates to replace Zelensky as Ukraine's president. Until of course you assume that e.g. Zaluzhnyi is more Russian-friendly than Zelensky which is ridiculous, because Zelensky was most pro-Russian option in Ukraine since 2013.
>or Odessa
Which also won't happen because Russians aren't even capable of crossing Dnieper anymore. They wouldn't move from Kherson if they knew they can keep it.
>Rofl, that's because they have no choice, retard.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Russians turned place Transnistria from being 40% of Moldova's gdp to something like 6-7%. This is a pattern that keeps appearing everywhere.

Moscow turns it's colonies into shitholes, but due to it's inefficient system it doesn't even benefits from them. It's truly fucked up and the main reason why nobody wants to be Russian colony.
>Crimean Tatars aren't Ukrainians
But you acknowledged that under Russian occupation the local population is being russified or just replaced?

Because we're still talking about existential threat.
>It was Ukraine that colonized Novorossiya, retard. How do you think Ukraine got all this land? Ukraine didn't even exist until 1991.
Look - map of Ukraine from early 1600s!

But I can't see any "novorossiya" on it? There is some Tataria to the east of Ukraine.
>what does America gain from NATO?
It keeps Russia from Europe. Without trans-atlantic alliance between US and Europe it will be very difficult to keep value of dollar worldwide. US printed so many papers, it's economy would collapse if Europeans stop pretending that usd is worth anything.

>>523900118
>If you ask when there's a peace, it's hard to tell
Literally when the last capable Ukrainian male is killed you dumb motherfucker. It's their fucking slogan.

>>523903780
How? The cable spool is carried by the drone, right? Any other way would be an engineering nightmare.

>>523899261
it's like one of those australian vids of their giant mutantspider infested areas

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>>523904014
>Which won't happen because until Russian are physically capable of taking Kiev, there are no pro-Russian candidates to replace Zelensky as Ukraine's president.
Have you listened to Arestovych at all? He said the first thing he would do if he won would be to go to Moscow and tell Putin that Ukraine would never be used against Russia again. He also said that Ukraine needed to end this war now before they lose even more territory.

>Which also won't happen because Russians aren't even capable of crossing Dnieper anymore.
Do you have any idea how attrition works?

Tell me nigger, how many men has Ukraine had in their Army since the start of the war? How many do they have now?

>You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Russians turned place Transnistria from being 40% of Moldova's gdp to something like 6-7%.
Places like Transnistria and the Donbas were under international sanctions. I remember watching a video about Transnistria like 15 years ago talking about how all the industry shut down because they aren't allowed to export anything. Moreover, why do you think Eastern Europe has any money at all? What are the Baltics doing that Russia isn't? The reality is, your shithole is fucking irrelevant. It is being propped-up by Germany, the EU, and the US dollar. So please spare me.

In terms of buying power, Russia isn't much behind Europe(see purchasing power parity). The whole reason Russia largely deindustrialized was to improve its relationship with Europe(especially Germany). I really wish you would learn strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcj8xN2UDKc

>But you acknowledged that under Russian occupation the local population is being russified or just replaced?
The Crimean Tatars were forcefully relocated after WWII because they sided with Hitler. They were brought back in the 90's. Regardless, the biggest genocider is Ukraine. How do you think they got any of that land?

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>>523903502
>On the other hand, these people say they will fight for their homes if Russia comes. But their homes are mostly West of the Dnieper.
Times when everyone east to Dnieper was pro-Russian are gone. Russians did it.

However even if it's still like in 2012, this "west Ukraine" still needs these territories for buffer against Russia, just like Poland needs Ukraine, just like Germany needs Poland and so on. Everyone must keep Russia as far as possible so for everyone it makes sense to keep this war going instead of surrendering any territory to Russia.

Also, pro-Russian people are generally servile and obedient to whatever power is above them - without Russia sending little green men to Donbas, Crimea or anywhere else, there would never be pro-Russian grass root movement anywhere. It might be as well Ukrainian government that rules these people.

>>523899483
CIA biolabs in Ukraine that successfully engineered and deployed Russophobic spiders

>>523904170
they are
you still dont wanna get all tangled up tho

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>>523904014
>It keeps Russia from Europe. Without trans-atlantic alliance between US and Europe it will be very difficult to keep value of dollar worldwide. US printed so many papers, it's economy would collapse if Europeans stop pretending that usd is worth anything.
Rofl, no. The Euro is a competing currency. Europe trades with Russia with Euros.

The purpose of NATO is to threaten Russia. We basically want to create as big a security dilemma for Russia as possible. We want strong European armies willing to fight. The reason we don't actually give a fuck about Europe though is because Europe is divided and it has no resources. Europe is only united under American leadership. And it is dependent on American resources.

Europeans gladly cut eat other's throats whenever it benefits them. They hate each other. Especially Poland and Germany.

never.

>>523900462
Agreed. Never let jews into your country.

>>523899261
>When will Ukraine start wining
Grapes aren't in season yet.

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>>523904493
>However even if it's still like in 2012, this "west Ukraine" still needs these territories for buffer against Russia, just like Poland needs Ukraine, just like Germany needs Poland and so on. Everyone must keep Russia as far as possible so for everyone it makes sense to keep this war going instead of surrendering any territory to Russia.
I mean, yes, that is the strategy, but is it going to succeed? Will Russia be defeated? How?

>>523900118
It's long past time we cut you faggots off.

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>>523904486
>Arestovych
You know that even his fans think he's silly, right?
>Do you have any idea how attrition works?
Entire Russian Federation with infinite resources exports less than 37m Poland. 2nd year in a row it spends less for this war. This attrition works both ways.
>international sanctions
Nigger what? Nobody even recognizes Transnistria - it's part of Moldova and Moldova isn't sanctioned by anyone.
>In terms of buying power, Russia isn't much behind Europe(see purchasing power parity).
You know that Russia classified all economic metrics it could in last few years? They can claim they're #1 economy in the world (with purchasing power parity), but everything else shows they poor and collapsing.
>The whole reason Russia largely deindustrialized was to improve its relationship with Europe(especially Germany).
This cope is on entire new level. I must screecap this.
>How do you think they got any of that land?
Soviets wanted to bribe Ukrainians with Crimea. Because even them knew that Russians and Ukrainians are different people.

>>523904757
>The Euro is a competing currency.
That's why US wants to weaken Europe to respect dollar as the ultimate money.
>The purpose of NATO is to threaten Russia.
Which is the right way of securing something from Russia.

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>>523904877
>Will Russia be defeated? How?
Attrition. Russians believe so much in their infinite resources, they're missing the point when they collapse. It keeps happenning to them.

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>>523905245
>Entire Russian Federation with infinite resources exports less than 37m Poland
Russia is under western sanctions, retard. I find it really difficult to talk to the economically-illiterate. They say what exists but have no idea why. Then they keep repeating it as if the thing proves itself.

>This attrition works both ways.
Is Russia weaker now than in 2022? Is Ukraine weaker now than in 2022? Is Europe weaker now than in 2022? Who is being attritted?

>Transnistria - it's part of Moldova and Moldova isn't sanctioned by anyone.
I'm not sure exactly how it works, I just remember watching a video a long time ago that talked about Transnistria. Here is the video. At about 14:30 it talks about Transnistrian industry. More to the point starts at 16 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0I404gXbNg

>they poor and collapsing.
As compared to who?

>This cope is on entire new level. I must screecap this.
The fact that you don't understand this is proof enough of how retarded you are. Do you have any idea what Russian strategy is? Do you know why the Soviet Union lost the Cold War?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8LMwNCt2w&t=1844s

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>>523899261
They are good at winning.

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>>523905332
>That's why US wants to weaken Europe to respect dollar as the ultimate money.
Europe is powerless without Russia. It was Russian gas that really built German industry, and thus Europe. What America actually wants to do is keep the Europeans and Russians fighting with each other. The danger to America was a Russo-German alliance. Which has been the primary aim of Russian policy since the 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcj8xN2UDKc

Is it starting to make sense now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HrccCDPhc

>>523905714
>Attrition. Russians believe so much in their infinite resources, they're missing the point when they collapse. It keeps happenning to them.
How much is Russia being attritted though? How many men have they actually lost? How do you know?

In approximately 14 days

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>>523902664
>you retards have pretend
>they mission
>there was withdraw

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>>523899261
The Ukies started disabling Russia's shadow fleet worldwide today. I'm curious what you'll say in three months. The problem is that these oil tankers are Putin's last remaining source of funding.

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>>523905990
>Russia is under western sanctions
That's a recurring theme, isn't it? If only they had any power on breaking this cycle of constant, international ostracism, because of course it's not their fault.

But seriously, retarded decissions are retarded decissions and economy suffers because of them. You can't just say "if only they didn't make these retarded decissions, they would be strong and wealthy!" That's retarded.

Also your picrel is retarded - obviously made by and for people who don't know history or economy.
>I'm not sure exactly how it works
Yes, I see. Reason why industry in Transnistria fall apart, is because everything under Russian rule falls apart.

Same way when Russian gas stopped being pumped to Transnistria and Transnistrian government wasn't accepting gas from Romania, letting people to freeze for the interests of Kremlin.
>As compared to who?
To everyone who doesn't classifies economic metrics? They would have no reason to classify them otherwise if they were prosperous.
>Do you have any idea what Russian strategy is? Do you know why the Soviet Union lost the Cold War?
Russian strategy seems to collapse every few decades then. Watch out, you're one step away from saying that Russian leadership are CIA assets.

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>>523906185
>Europe is powerless without Russia.
Facts say otherwise. Experience of last 4 decades indicates, that European countries that keep themselves as far away from Russia as possible do better than those who try to deal with Russia by any means.
>The danger to America was a Russo-German alliance.
Russo-German alliance is what fucked up Europe and put it under US protection.
>How much is Russia being attritted though? How many men have they actually lost? How do you know?
Nobody knew USSR was collapsing, until it actually collapsed. However this is the way to do it. 2 days ago Putin gave speech about how strong Russia is, which means we're getting close.

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>>523906865
To be fair, it's not only about sanctions. The entire world is effectively a managed economic system. For example, America helped build China up. The question is, why? Of course, now America is trying to destroy China economically, why?

Secondly, the United States is a hundred times more aggressive internationally than Russia. Why isn't America poor?

>Also your picrel is retarded
Your pic is per-capita. You know Poland is the biggest single beneficiary in Europe, and that half of Europe effectively suckles at Germany's teat. Where would you be now without Europe and/or America? The reality is, the reason Russia is comparatively poor is because it refuses to bend the knee to America. While do you think Europe deepthroats Trump's cock daily? What choice do you have?

>Yes, I see. Reason why industry in Transnistria fall apart, is because everything under Russian rule falls apart.
If you watched the video, the reason Transnistria got fucked is because Moldova fucked them with the support of America because we want to run the Russians out.

>Russian strategy seems to collapse every few decades then.
Russia lost the Cold War because of the Sino-Soviet split, retard. Go listen to Richard Nixon in the videos I linked. Why do you think Kissinger and Nixon went cap-in-hand to China in the early 70's?

The collapse of the Soviet Union was merely a change in Russian strategy. Russia needs Europe.

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>>523907396
>Facts say otherwise. Experience of last 4 decades indicates, that European countries that keep themselves as far away from Russia as possible do better than those who try to deal with Russia by any means.
Europe didn't "keep far away" from Russia, retard. Europe became COMPLETELY dependent on Russia. Especially Germany(Europe's industrial heartland). Why do you think you retards are collapsing now?

Russia's entire foreign-policy since the 1980's was literally to buy Germany off with cheap commodities. Why the fuck do you think we blew up Nord Stream?

>>523899261
Question:
Does the fiber provide steering signals to the drone and also give back the video signal or does the steering signals are given by wi-fi?

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>>523907396
>Russo-German alliance is what fucked up Europe and put it under US protection.
What put Europe under US domination was dumb ass poles and Brits. Pic-related.

>Nobody knew USSR was collapsing
The USSR collapsed because by the 1980's, the Soviets had no allies. It was surrounded by NATO to the West, China to the East, and Islamic fundamentalism to the south. Which was funded by the United States via the Saudis through Madrassas because Islamic fundamentalism was anti-communist(atheist). All of these threats forced the Soviets to spend astronomical amounts of money on their defense, while cheap Chinese labor subsidized western industry.

The Russians formulated a new strategy of becoming a non-ideological state that could integrate with Europe. Gorbachev repeatedly said he wanted a Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. America wanted to make sure that didn't happen.

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>>523907642
>Why do you think you retards are collapsing now?
because they kept close with russia
>In 2000, the First Schröder cabinet, consisting of the SPD and Alliance '90/The Greens, officially announced its intention to phase out the use of nuclear energy. The power plants in Stade and Obrigheim were turned off on 14 November 2003, and 11 May 2005, respectively. The plants' dismantling was scheduled to begin in 2007.[30]

>Since leaving public office, Schröder has worked for Russian state-owned energy companies, including Nord Stream AG, Rosneft, and Gazprom.[2][3]

>>523907642
>have infinite money printer
>freely export your inflation
>still lose almost as much as Europe
>while ruskis are bombing it
lol
lmao
absolute fucking kek

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>>523907916
>because they kept close with russia
God, Poles are hopeless.

>>523899261
Why NAFO stop posting and actually sign up to fight on the frontlines

>>523900693
most Americans with any sense have been like what the fuck is this shit since it started, especially when Biden started giving them like 200 billion dollars every month yet our infrastructure country wide gets more shit every single year and states more filled with welfare sucking illegals. If anyone had the power to ever collect the infinity debt we have in this retarded country we'd be fucked

>>523899261
When they become part of Russia.

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>>523907958
Europeans have no future. And you don't even understand why. None are dumber than the Eurokek.

>>523907875
fiber optic provides 4k image + fast direct control

>>523907880
lmao, the US wanted to preserve the USSR because they really wanted to get friendly in the 80s and were shitting their pants about changing the status quo

>>523908093
>post misleading graph
>get btfo
>ignore arguments
>post ruski stronk
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>523908193
>the US wanted to preserve the USSR
Rofl, no. We wanted to destroy the Soviet Union, but we didn't want chaos or nuclear weapons ending up in the hands of terrorists. Basically, we wanted managed collapse. Our ultimate goal was the subordination of Russia. Which to a large extent happened in the 90's. Russia was basically pillaged under Yeltsin. We're pissed that it came to an end.

>>523908441
man,shut the fuck up you dumb russian subhuman village educated retard. nobody with 2 braincells is falling for your MUH YELTSIN PILLAGED COUNTRY MUH PUTIN SAVED US.
Go sign up for the Light Infantry, tell your son to sign up for Storm Z, put a bullet in your head, whatever, just shut the fuck up and stop polluting this board thank you.

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>>523907875
Fiber Spool is just for decoration they use easily jammed wifi for controlling the drone

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>>523907969
point stays tho

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>>523908258
>post misleading graph
There was nothing misleading about it. Europe is irrelevant. You have no resources. You cannot compete with China. America can no longer afford to subsidize you retards. You're stuck in a war with Russia you cannot win without support from your daddy. America already said we would not send soldiers to fight for Europe but we would gladly sell you retards weapons. Your governments are preparing you to fight Russia as we speak. You're all going to be Ukraine soon. And you're too fucking stupid to realize what's going on.

I have ZERO RESPECT for Eurocucks.

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>>523899261
Does it need to?

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>>523908530
What the fuck do you think happened? Retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Cl8lSv9Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfcJICADbCU

>>523908669
>point stays tho
Yes, Germany chose gas that was 1/4th the price of what America was offering. Do you actually think America is your friend? America is the most anti-white country in the entire world.

GOD I HATE FUCKING POLE NIGGERS.

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>>523907449
>Why isn't America poor?
Because other most powerful economies in the world respect value of dollar and US has printing machines.

Also it's very different model of colonization, or mindset in general. Despite looking like white people, Russians have Mongolian steppe mindset - they don't care about economy. For Moscow territorial gains aren't mean to meet economic goals - they're goals on themselves. That's why and how Russia became biggest country in the world.
>You know Poland is the biggest single beneficiary in Europe, and that half of Europe effectively suckles at Germany's teat.
We're talkin something between 5-15 billion annually in economy of over 1 trillion gdp.
>The reality is, the reason Russia is comparatively poor is because it refuses to bend the knee to America.
It's poor because it's poorly managed. Just like every country where political class was under Russian influence, is poor. That's why Ukraine was (and is) poor and corrupted.

I'm pasting export treemap of Russia from before the war - it's Sub-Saharan tier economy that only benefited from it's European buyers being very close.
>Transnistria got fucked is because Moldova fucked them with the support of America
Dude, Moldova is poorest country in Europe. If they had American support and power to poke on Russia, they would be at least Romania-tier.

Transnistria became even poorer, despite limitless Russian resources and limitless Russian market - because of retarded Russian management based on retarded Russian mindset. Of course they'll put all blame on evil Americans.
>Sino-Soviet split
Constant backstabbing is part of their (both) Asiatic mindset. What did you (or anyone) expect?
>Russia needs Europe.
Of course, cancer needs living organism to grow.

>>523899261
Never, because at the end of this war they will end with an huge debit, and try flood Ukraine with Niggers and pajeets

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>>523907642
Russians were working on gaining influence on West Germany since end of WW2. They supported German young commies that developed into movement that ultimately killed German nuclear energy and made Germany dependent to Russian energy sources.

Everybody saw that, everybody knew what will happen. Except for Germans who are autistic.

>>523899566
They can't reuse all that fibers for others drones?

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>>523908800
germany choose to let russian 5th column dismantle their nuclear energy
so china that builds nuclear power plants like it was baking bread naturally took over
where am i wrong you russian retard?

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>>523908893
>Because other most powerful economies in the world respect value of dollar and US has printing machines.
But why? Again, you keep saying what is instead of attempting to understand why it is.

>Despite looking like white people, Russians have Mongolian steppe mindset - they don't care about economy. For Moscow territorial gains aren't mean to meet economic goals - they're goals on themselves.
I'm the most racist person in the whole world, but shit like this is just cope retardation. Same bullshit as "Asians can't innovate" to pretend superiority to China(while ignoring that Japanese are Asian).

Russia cares deeply about economy, but economy means trade, and Russia basically has no warm-water ports other than the ones in the Black Sea, which are controlled by the Dardanelles(Turkey). One of the main purposes of NATO was to deny Russia access to the Atlantic. Thereby preventing them from being a maritime power that could challenge American Naval Dominance. Same reason the United States props up Japan/Korea/Taiwan/etc to form the "first-island chain". We want to keep China hemmed in.

Russia became the biggest country in the world by expanding Eastwards in search of the fucking ocean because the Atlantic powers wanted to block Russia and really all of Eastern Europe from global trade. The Atlantic powers became the dominant powers purely because of geography.

>We're talkin something between 5-15 billion annually in economy of over 1 trillion gdp.
All western economies are hyperfinancialized. A lot of European economies are pretty much driven by real-estate/construction alone, or from foreign investment/offshoring for cheap labor. Without a constant influx of money from Germany, most of Europe would collapse. And without American buying power(see dollar, deficit-spending), the rest would collapse.

>Transnistria became even poorer, despite limitless Russian resources and limitless Russian market
They literally couldn't export, retard. Look at it.

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>>523907880
>What put Europe under US domination was dumb ass poles and Brits. Pic-related.
Of course, because Poland didn't allied with nazi Germany. Because unlike Russians they knew they'll be backstabbed anyway (like Russians were in 1941).
>The USSR collapsed because by the 1980's, the Soviets had no allies
And when it happened to Poland in 1939 it was Poland's fault, right?
>The Russians formulated a new strategy of becoming a non-ideological state that could integrate with Europe. Gorbachev repeatedly said he wanted a Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
They still want it. They want to grow until Moscow's buffer zones have their own buffer zones. Endless conquest by any possible means.

As for countries that are Russia's neighbours, we don't need America telling us, to not be a part of Russia's sphere of influence. It's in our own interests.

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>>523909381
>Everybody saw that, everybody knew what will happen. Except for Germans who are autistic.
The Germans knew it too. Why the fuck would they care? Why is sucking American dick better than Russian dick? Because America pays better? For how much longer?

>so china that builds nuclear power plants like it was baking bread naturally took over
China gets 5% of its electricity from nuclear. America is 20% nuclear. The cheapest electricity is hydropower. Regardless, I have no idea why retards think nuclear is some kind of panacea. It only offers baseload power. You need gas turbines to handle fluctuations in demand. Moreover, the German chemical industry requires natural gas as an input. Not simply electricity. And where do you think uranium comes from?

>where am i wrong you russian retard?
I'm zero percentage anything Eastern European. I'm basically entirely British with some German.

>>523910081
>And where do you think uranium comes from?
Canada and Africa.
>Noooo it was sourced 80% from Russia
Yeah and then they chimped out.

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>>523909982
Your problem is that you never learned the saying "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

Politics is the art of the possible.

I'm not against you. I just think you're falling into a trap(again).

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>>523909595
>But why?
Because it was proven that through peaceful cooperation both parties are capable of creating more wealth than if they compete for this wealth.
>Russia cares deeply about economy
Nonsense. They pride themselves from being economic-illiterate. They still use commie symbols.

For Russian leadership economy is just a tool not a goal. It's basically splitted between what elites can steal and what can fuel their imperial conguest to steal even more.
>biggest country in the world by expanding Eastwards
It tried westwards as well, but was ultimately kicked out. However that goal wasn't abandoned - as we can see in Ukraine.
>All western economies are hyperfinancialized. A lot of European economies are pretty much driven by real-estate/construction alone, or from foreign investment/offshoring for cheap labor. Without a constant influx of money from Germany, most of Europe would collapse. And without American buying power(see dollar, deficit-spending), the rest would collapse.
I think you kind of lost on who jews who at this point.
>They literally couldn't export, retard. Look at it.
They literally could and they literally did. There were no sanctions and borders were open on all sides.
And it literally didn't help their economic situation because for their leadership it was more beneficiary to secure Kremlin's interests (to destabilize region).

this fiber optic wire has already permanently altered the environment of Ukraine for all time there is no plan on cleaning it up and the problem becomes exponentially worse by the day as Ukraine and Russia seek to expand the range of these drones

>>523910990
No
Max range is chinas fiber drone they claim is 30km.
Nato and Russia have 20km ones.
Front lines are 75km apart (max artillery range).

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>>523899261
Just one more meat wave and the ukraine will win a Darwin award. From their perspective losing 20 of their own mutt is a win if at least one pure white will die on the other side. Its like K versus R selection in species but for the countries.

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>>523910898
>Because it was proven that through peaceful cooperation both parties are capable of creating more wealth than if they compete for this wealth.
Rofl, no. That isn't how the global economy works at all. In reality, trade policy creates winners and losers. And everyone else is kept down through sanctions/subversion/interventionism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05QQ7ZFEsec

What the fuck do you think the Opening of China was? What is the WTO? What is developing economy status? What are tariffs? What are trade deals? Your libertarian fantasy does not exist and has never existed. The United States built Europe up to keep them from allying with the Russians.

Look at what America does all over the world you retarded fucking Pole. Open your fucking eyes.

>>523899483
Everyone memoryholed it, but remember the sudden push to have millions of 5G towers plastered across every corner of every country in the quickest way possible, and how it became an issue of "national security" that they are American-made and not Chinese-made? And how they very weirdly censored criticism of them and then began painting them and making them look like trees to hide them, as if they were camouflaging them like you camouflage military equipment?

That's why.

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>>523910081
>Why the fuck would they care?
They were hoping that American security, Russian resources and Eastern European cheap labour will last forever. Their leadership was corrupted or just lacked strategic sight to see how unsustanable that is due to conflicting interests of everyone else.

That's because they're autistic.
>Why is sucking American dick better than Russian dick? Because America pays better? For how much longer?
We have western European countries, we have Japan and South Korea.

Then we have post-commie countries that were all in dire socio-economic state when they got free from Russian occupation.

I'm not a Russian so I don't know much about dick-sucking, but it's obvious which alliance is superior and better serves interests of country and people.
>Politics is the art of the possible.
You tried to sound wise in here I see.

I'm telling you existential stuff: nobody who ever was under Russian boot wants to ever get there again.

Wtf with that polish coper, he got a raise from Zelinsky?
Types a lot but without much sustance to it, A for effort tho

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>>523910898
>It tried westwards as well, but was ultimately kicked out.
You act like Russia is some kind of historical anomaly. That's just how the world works. There are empires, vassals, protectorates, tributaries, etc. The US is the most powerful empire in world history. The Brits were weak little shits compared to us. They kept Europe down through divide and conquer so they could focus only on their Navy and thus controlling global trade/resources.

>For Russian leadership economy is just a tool not a goal.
The only goal of every state is power. Power rules. Why do you think capitalism exists in the first place?

Again with your delusional libertarian economic fantasies.

>They literally could and they literally did.
No. Did you even watch the fucking video I linked? All exports from Transnistria were illegal unless approved by the Moldovan government. Which was pissed about the separatists and basically never gave them approval as punishment. Most of the economic activity was by smugglers via Ukraine, but that was largely stopped after 2014. Now Transnistria is basically a total Russian dependency.

>>523911621
And what country exactly was under the Russian boot? I cant think of any. Faggot

>>523911245
>What the fuck do you think the Opening of China was? What is the WTO? What is developing economy status? What are tariffs? What are trade deals? Your libertarian fantasy does not exist and has never existed.
For almost 2 decades I was trading goods between China and Poland and Russia and then Ukraine. I think I'm capable of grasping all these things.
>Look at what America does all over the world you retarded fucking Pole. Open your fucking eyes.
You started as an American. Now you 100% speak as anti-American. Make up your mind what kind of Russian shill you are.

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>>523911621
>but it's obvious which alliance is superior and better serves interests of country and people.
No, it's only obvious which is (currently) richer. Do you actually think Ukraine wanted to join Europe to become a anti-white fag country ruled by Brussels? No, they want money. If Russia was richer, there would be no war now because there would have been no coup. For that matter, why do you think you're in a fucking union with Germany? Because you're friends now? No. Money. And once that teat runs dry, why the fuck would you want to stay?

>I'm telling you existential stuff.
No. All you're describing is what currently exists. Then you make up ad-hoc justifications for it without understanding anything.

>>523899483
A Christmas miracle

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>>523912053
>You started as an American. Now you 100% speak as anti-American. Make up your mind what kind of Russian shill you are.
I'm American as apple pie. I just feel like you're so focused on Russia that you're oblivious to everything else. I'm trying to force you to see. If you don't understand the problem, how can you solve it?

Regardless, where are we headed? What do you want? What is possible?

>>523911701
>You act like Russia is some kind of historical anomaly. That's just how the world works.
It used to work like that before industrial revolution. Land most important resource because most of wealth came from agriculture.

It's just that Russia stucked in Golden Horde mindset, while rest of the world moved into 21st century. I can't blame it on it's natural resources (when land becomes source of wealth once again) because there are countries like Norway or Australia that have a tone of natural resoures per capita, and still don't act like niggers.

US and UK worked different because they were always sea-oriented (not land-oriented) and sea is all about trading routes.
>The only goal of every state is power.
Strong economy brings power. In mindsets of most leaders economy = power. In Russian mindset power is most important, while economy is something economists are doing.

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>>523902024
>In Russian system subordinates always lie to their supervisors.
and that's a good thing. For example, the russians in the field claim they placed a flag in a village, this gets reported as "taking a settlement", then by the time it gets reported up the chain it looks like the took a whole area. So it gets marked on the maps as their territory. When the same russians in the field request an artillery strike on an area that Ukrainians operate in, the request gets denied because in the headquarters it looks like this area was already "liberated weeks ago".

>>523912707
I wonder what will happen to Nabiullina if Russia has some kind of economic crisis next year with the fall of oil revenues

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>>523912707
>It used to work like that before industrial revolution. Land most important resource because most of wealth came from agriculture.
Do you even know how the United States become so powerful? Do you actually think we'd be a superpower if we were the size of Britain? And why is Britain irrelevant now?

The only reason Russia is a superpower is because of its size and resources.

>US and UK worked different because they were always sea-oriented (not land-oriented) and sea is all about trading routes.
All empires are built on trade. The Greeks, the Romans, the British, etc. To be a pure maritime empire you have to have the most powerful navy. The moment "Rule Britannia" ceased to be reality, Britain ceased to be an empire. America didn't begin as a maritime empire because we didn't have a Navy(we had to pay tribute to Barbary pirates for decades). The United States only exported commodities for the first hundred years. We were Russia spreading across this continent. But unlike Russia, we only had weak neighbors.

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>>523912105
>No, it's only obvious which is (currently) richer
Which is not important at all?
>Do you actually think Ukraine wanted to join Europe to become a anti-white fag country ruled by Brussels? No, they want money.
That's why Ukraine missed it's chance in 1990s and why it pays now in blood.
>If Russia was richer
IF... Again, IF...

If Russia wasn't retarded it would be richer because they have all the natural resources in the world. Europeans don't want to cut themselves from Russia because it's poor or rich, but because it is retarded and dangerous.

You're confusing cause and effect.
>For that matter, why do you think you're in a fucking union with Germany? Because you're friends now? No. Money. And once that teat runs dry, why the fuck would you want to stay?
Maybe because Europe must stay united because otherwise we'll be all eaten by Chinks and jeets and niggers (and then raped by Russians)?

Reason why US dosn't like EU is because it's only place in the world that's also populated by most-white people who are capable of replacing US if they're united in similar fashion. EU has it's ups and downs and there might be a need of other, less retarded type of union, but there are no other people in the world who can actually replace Europeans.

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>>523913266
>>523912400
>>523912105
>>523911701
>>523911245
so again point stays you russian retard >>523909531

>>523913266
>The only reason Russia is a superpower is because of its size and resources.
Except that Russia isn't superpower anymore. It lost it's influence in Europe, Caucasus, Central Asia etc. War in Ukriane is postmortem convulsions of regional power that dies.
>All empires are built on trade.
And that's why Russia is dying, as it's leadership has it's priorities all fucked up. Their energy blackmail of 2022 will go into history books of how to kill yourself, but it was just a cherry on top of retarded decision where their trade was sacrificed for very miniscule political gains.

>>523912976
She was suppose to fall of the window last year, when she didn't want to lower rates. She's on borrowed time anyway.

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>>523912707
>Strong economy brings power. In mindsets of most leaders economy = power. In Russian mindset power is most important, while economy is something economists are doing.
Power is always the most important. You act like Russia is some kind of third-world country. Russia has tech companies. Telegram, Yandex. What the fuck does Europe have.

In fact, the whole fucking point of NATO expansion was to keep Russia down. You're too obsessed with this "Russians are just Mongols who hate money" narrative. It's just not true.

>>523913340
>Which is not important at all?
You cannot simply say "because we are rich we will always be rich, and because you are poor you will always be poor". Or that "because we are currently rich it means we are better than you", or smarter than you, or even that we have a better system than you. There are all kinds of reasons why some countries are rich and some countries are poor. You are trying to simplify things because you desperately want to believe a false narrative.

>That's why Ukraine missed it's chance in 1990s and why it pays now in blood.
Ukraine got fucked by a tug of war between America and Russia. It couldn't develop with Europe, and it couldn't develop with Russia. It was basically left in squalor because it was stuck in limbo and fought over. They'd have been infinitely better off joining with Russia.

>Maybe because Europe must stay united because otherwise we'll be all eaten by Chinks and jeets and niggers
Europe is not and will never be united, nor would it make any difference if it were. Europe cannot be independent. Therefore, Europe cannot be sovereign. Therefore, Europe cannot be a great power. The only power it has came from Germany exploiting the rivalry between America and Russia for its benefit.

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>>523913971
>Except that Russia isn't superpower anymore
There are only three great powers in the world today. America, China, and Russia. Russia is certainly the weakest of the three. I don't care to argue about the definition of "superpower", but Russia has a future. Europe does not.

The only future Europe has at this point is becoming the next Ukraine. If America pulls out, it's over, and that's the only thing that will keep America in.

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>>523914377
And? What are these assets actually worth? They could all go to zero tomorrow. And if the dollar collapses, they will.

>>523914545
>Russia is certainly the weakest of the three. I don't care to argue about the definition of "superpower", but Russia has a future. Europe does not.
You might as well say India at this point. Who would have thought that eliminating your own demography would have consequences. Man, am I happy I dont get to enjoy Hindu Russian.

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>>523914779
The number of Indian going to Russia is dwarfed by the ones going to Europe, Canada, Britain, and America.

Moreover, the ones going to Russia are likely not going to stay. The ones going to the West will never leave.

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>>523914664
you are mistaking savings with assets you russian retard

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>>523914920
not anymore
now the only country in europe with more pajeets will be britain
>Moreover, the ones going to Russia are likely not going to stay. The ones going to the West will never leave.
yea lets hope they wont stay
it surely is different in russia

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>>523914176
>You act like Russia is some kind of third-world country.
Because it is. I pasted their export treemap here:
>>523908893
They are literally Sub-Saharan economy, run by economic analphabets who hire some experts to deal with money stuff, but these experts have no say on politics.
>Telegram, Yandex. What the fuck does Europe have.
Not being sanctioned for our mental retardation, so we can use superior services made by someone else.
>In fact, the whole fucking point of NATO expansion was to keep Russia down.
So I'm once again posting that meme that is so true it hurts.
>You're too obsessed with this "Russians are just Mongols who hate money" narrative. It's just not true.
They have natural resources and brain power. Russians could live like Norwegians, but they don't and they're cheering the reasons they're poor.
>You cannot simply say "because we are rich we will always be rich, and because you are poor you will always be poor"
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that with Russians you will always be poor, while with Americans there's at least some chance.
>Ukraine got fucked by a tug of war between America and Russia.
When USSR collapsed Ukraine was in much better situation than Poland was. All economists were giving Ukraine much brighter future in comparison to Poland. If it did what Baltic states did (get rid of Russian corruption, take voting rights from Russian population, get into NATO and EU at the very first chance), it would have population and economy of Spain by now - something Russia wouldn't dare to touch. However they kept "balancing" between west and east and fell of from the bicycle.
>Europe is not and will never be united
You would be surprised. Brexit happened, war in Ukraine happened, Trump happened. Even biggest "euro-sceptics" right now don't say anything about leaving EU. Talking is about if it should be federation, or confederation, or what, but nobody wants to be alone, because European powers can afford that anymore.

>>523914920
>Moreover, the ones going to Russia are likely not going to stay.
I must applaud an American for having such informed knowledge about the Russian state and its situation.

>>523915162
>They have natural resources and brain power.
Imagine being so genetically superior you can still see the good and positive in your enemies. By the way, this sort of empathy is a strategic advantage that the Ruskis dont have.

>>523901391
>e.g. Crimea was always populated with Russians?
well there was never a time when there were "ukrainians" but not russians there

>>523900118
>23 posts by this retard

That's some Ito Junji shit.

>>523899261
WAIT
so the drones are cable operated and not wireless!?

>>523914545
>I don't care to argue about the definition of "superpower"
Maybe you should, because that would save you from making yourself looking like a retard.

It boils down to if some state has power over what happens on other continents. US has that power. China has that power. Unlike USSR Russia can't control any countries on other continents. Before war in Ukraine it could be considered regional power, because it had some control over most of it's neighbours, but now Central Asia is lost to China, Caucasus is lost to US and Eastern Europe is lost to... Europe it seems.

Russia's status as regional power seems to be finished. US does everything to safe Russia from becoming China's vassal state, but it's no use.

Europe is 100% regional power. There are countries that still apply for EU membership, so there is some influence in here.

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>>523915014
Americans don't have savings, retard. The picture he posted was of "wealth". The primary asset for every American is their house. After that it is their retirement/401k.

>>523915102
>it surely is different in russia
If you were Indian, would you rather go to Britain or Russia? Supposedly the ones who move to Canada only go there because they couldn't get into America. Russia actually has pretty strict immigration policies. It allows in a lot of temporary workers but it's almost impossible to get citizenship(unless you join the military).

>>523915162
>I pasted their export treemap here:
You are conflating exports with production. Russia is pretty much autarkic, and Google is not an export.

>So I'm once again posting that meme that is so true it hurts.
That meme is retarded. People join NATO for money. If you think otherwise you're retarded. But the real question is, why was America pushing NATO so hard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHm_7T7QNl8

>They have natural resources and brain power. Russians could live like Norwegians, but they don't and they're cheering the reasons they're poor.
You're so god damn retarded. Go look at the fucking Norwegian export treemap for god's sake. It's even worse than Russia. But unlike Russia, Norway is completely dependent on imports.

>When USSR collapsed Ukraine was in much better situation than Poland was. All economists were giving Ukraine much brighter future in comparison to Poland. If it did what Baltic states did
The Baltic states didn't do anything but get free money from Germany. Poland was likewise built by free money, and Romania, and Bulgaria, and all the rest. The real question is, why is Germany/Europe giving out free money? And how did they get it?

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>>523915667
>It boils down to if some state has power over what happens on other continents. US has that power. China has that power.
This is a retarded definition. Russia has more allies than China. Russia has a much more active foreign-policy, and even overseas bases. Russia is the glue that holds BRICS together. China is just an economy that can't get out of the South China Sea.

>Europe is 100% regional power.
Rofl. Will the EU even exist in five years? What happens when Ukraine loses?

>>523915193
>I must applaud an American for having such informed knowledge about the Russian state and its situation.
I watched a video the other day of a British man who moved to Russia. He says Russia is incredibly racist and that most people will only rent to Russians(which is perfectly legal). Moreover, it's cold as fuck, and not nearly as rich as many of the alternatives, and it's much harder to become a citizen in Russia than in the West(although that might change).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQs_NzfPsI

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>>523915903
>You are conflating exports with production. Russia is pretty much autarkic,
Dude, only Russian car producer can't even sell 300k cars in a market of 140million people! But if autarky means going back to mules and horses, then sure, whatever.
>People join NATO for money.
They sure wanted to be obligated spending 2% of their gdp on defense, for that money thing. Because money of course.
>Go look at the fucking Norwegian export treemap for god's sake.
That's what I was telling you, retard. With such resources you can live like civilized people if you're not retarded.
>The real question is, why is Germany/Europe giving out free money?
Because it was beneficiary to them for all this time, with cheap labour force that was propping their production capabilities and ultimately, everyone's economy.
>And how did they get it?
Nobody knows. Why are white people so rich? They must have steal that from brown people!

Ok, I out. I'd like to award you for keeping so long. Have fun retard.

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>>523916482
I am actually amazed in your inability to operate as a normal human being. To be so far down the evolutionary ladder to not recognize clear sarcasm takes a special kind of genetical damage.

Please elaborate further, anon.

>>523899261
maybe it's a tactic that they pretend to be losing the war.

>>523899261
> When
In 2 weeks.

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>>523915903
idk it looks like they enjoy russia
and russia just opened visa free movement with india
idk man

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>>523916805
>They sure wanted to be obligated spending 2% of their gdp on defense
Yes, retard. Because without NATO it would be 10% or more. Moreover, that 2% of spent domestically and until recently, no one even spent that.

>That's what I was telling you, retard. With such resources you can live like civilized people if you're not retarded.
Russia has an infinitely more diversified economy than Norway. Russia actually produces things. Even if it doesn't export them. Norway is a petrostate with some fishing. Moreover, Russia has a much much much larger population.

>Because it was beneficiary to them for all this time, with cheap labour force that was propping their production capabilities and ultimately, everyone's economy.
Europe is not richer because Eastern Europoors are in it. They're a drag on Europe. They're only in the EU for geopolitical reasons.

>Why are white people so rich?
They're not. America and its vassals are rich because of inflated exchange-rates. Most Europeans are pretty poor in real terms.

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>>523916864
I recognized sarcasm. You were basically mocking me, or really doubting me. Which is why I linked the video as "proof".

>>523918611
>visa free movement with india
That's not citizenship, retard. It's a temporary worker visa.

It's not a good thing, but it's unclear how many will actually will come. Moreover, the labor shortage would disappear if the war ended.

>>523919919
>Which is why I linked the video as "proof".
The anecdotical evidence of a single man is far less "proof" then russian state officials publicly stating they are inviting unlimited Indians.
NEXT!

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>>523909461
>They can't reuse all that fibers for others drones?
No, it's single-use.

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>>523899261
>when will ukraine start whining
Whaddaya mean? They never stopped.

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>>523920558
I never said they weren't. All I said is that it is a work visa, not citizenship. I also said that Russia is a less attractive destination than many countries with more liberal immigration policies.

With that said, Germany supposedly made an agreement for 250k Kenyans in 2024, but it never happened. Or at least, it was much much less.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/14/europe/germany-kenyan-workers-migration-deal-intl

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-skilled-workers-africa-labor-shortage-economy-immigration-citizenship-v2/a-73022000

There is often a disconnect between economists and policy. Economists tend to want far more immigrants than what would be tolerable politically.

>>523921374
>tolerable politically.
To compare whats "tolerable politically" in Germany and Russia is a joke. It is grounded in a deep misunderstanding of the political systems, the governments, the autocratic measures, the control, and the will to send 1 million+ russian men to Ukraine to get maimed and killed. There is no "politically tolerable" in a nation that openly shits on its own consitution and calls the widows of drowned sailors "foreign whores".
NEXT

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>>523919919
those temporary worker turks that came to germany after war never left because they economy would tank
our pajeets are also almost all on worker visas but there's only <30 000 of them
800 000 + is wild and you cant really hope all those pajeets will leave(some will)

>>523911109
wtf are you saying no to retard

>>523921546
I think he is implying its not fiber cables but instead an anti-drone net that the Ukrainians have put up over some roads.

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>>523921544
800k haven't come. 800k is the number of job openings. Actually, I think total job openings was the 800k + 1.5 million. So 2.3 million.

For comparison, there are 7.7 million job openings right now in the United States.

That doesn't mean 7.7 million jobs aren't being done, but that business are often understaffed. Causing larger workloads for each employee(eg longer hours).

>you cant really hope all those pajeets will leave
They won't all leave.

>>523920558
>>523921544
Can you retards shut up? You're already being prepped as next on the chopping block against Russia by the UK, especially you Poland.

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>>523922179
yea they didnt come yet but they will come because despite all russia is still better than india + prettier ladies and no once cares if they are dalit in russia

>>523909531
>russian 5th column dismantle their nuclear energy
greenpeace is a CIA puppet kek

>>523899261
Has there been any discussion about how to deal with these fiber optic lines long term? Say Ukrainians push the Russians out tomorrow and they start rebuilding on Monday morning, how do they gather and dispose of all of that? Will any of it dissolve in rain? Is it thin enough for weather to dispose of it within a few months? What would that do to the ground soil?
Also who gives a fuck who wins? It doesn't really matter at this point, it's a gay eastern european misadventure that's doing nothing but sucking blood and treasure out of the west. The whole thing is a tremendous waste that should've been avoided but here we are. Jewish interests are never going to allow a decade of global peace.

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>>523922499
somehow schroder didnt get job in cia after retiring from politics

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>>523922607
>Will any of it dissolve in rain?
No, glass does not dissolve in rain.
It breaks into small particles that you inhale, giving you something similar to silicosis.

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>>523922459
The main problem for Indians is that Russia is cold as fuck and there are plenty of other countries to go to. Most major western countries receive 800k or more immigrants per year.

>>523922323
You seem upset. Why does the prospect of Russia inviting UNLIMITED INDIANS anger you so much?

>>523899261
Didn't they already win?
Their goal: fuck up Russians
Russian goal: annex ukraine, get the people, get the ressources
no matter what happens the next year: Russian economy = fucked, Ukraine = fucked (need to rebuild before you can even start extracting ressources) and if Russia wins you'll be constantly sabotaged by angry ukrainians.
At best Ukraine wins and very slowly rebuild or Russia wins and can't do anything with the country.

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>>523922834
lmao and canada isnt cold?

>>523922607
also think about all the lithium batteries exploded everywhere, the carbon and glass fiber, nothing that disappears. All this area is more fucked up than tchernobyl now. soil polluted for ever, no agriculture possible,

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>>523900693
> A bunch of fucking retards with Jewish governments who will do our bidding
MIGA, you're not in charge. You'll bend like your president does, and all the other did.

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>>523923406
Yeah, but not so much where people actually live in Canada. Like, most supposedly go to Brampton which is maybe Poland or Germany-tier. I'm not sure where the jobs in Russia actually are, but they're often further east. Sometimes even in the far east.

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>>523924302
st petersburg and moscow are where toronto and brampton are
kazan is where ottawa montreal quebec are
majority of russia lives west of kazan anyway

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>>523924700
Brampton is a little warmer, although not dramatically. The question though is where the jobs are.

Russia's main problem is that most Russians don't want to live where a lot of the best-paying jobs are because they're frozen hellholes thousands of miles from any major Russian city. It's why Russia started leasing parts of the far-east to China.

>>523925538
its also why russian elites are fucking them out of their past jobs for the sake of cheaper pajeets so they would be forced to move to those worse well paying parts or just go into meatgrinder die as shown in webm here >>523915014
ethnic russians arent used to warm climate and they are practicallly serfs

another thing
saskatoon with 5000+ pajeets has today -11c at day and -21 at night
kamchatka -6 -13
tomsk -8 -19
and no one will be sanding those pajeets to permfrost they get normal factory works like other russians to fill the gaps caused by SMO

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>>523926039
oh right there's also edmonton with 120 000 + pajeets and temperatures of -19 -32 today
sabetta has -18 -21
>Sabetta (Russian: Caбeттa) is the location of a port and liquified natural gas (LNG) plant—Yamal LNG—on the Yamal Peninsula, in the north of Russia along the Northern Sea Route, as well as a shift settlement for "fly-in fly-out" workers of the plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabetta

>>523899261
There are fields, Neo. Endless fields.

>>523899483
its plastic wrap to cover food trays known as seran wrap in america, most likely a desperate attempt to block drones

I for one am extremely pleased Russia won this war. Despite billions in funding, equipment, and secret SpecOps teams, Russia won through sheer determination. Any action that embarasses western globohomo makes me happy.

>>523899261
When they accept to concede a part of their territory and prevent WW3. It is the only "winning" scenario for them and the rest of the world.

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>>523899261
When russia take kiev lland became jeet country lol
>but kiev is not important strategically and russia make a smart gambit sending there soldiers and vdv!

>>523901707
It's obvious the original plan was to do a replay of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968.
i.e. overthrow the hostile government and install your own loyalists in their place.

>>523899261
Evil never wins.

/thread

>>523923003
The discussion is on who is winning the war, and you nafo shills chose to jump onto immigration next. This will end up being just like South Africa where some source claimed they were settling Africans into a village, but it was never specified that it was actually Boers to begin with. Now you're claiming Indians en Masse will imported, yet reality is it will be limited enough to maintain some economic relations with India and avoid internal strife since they already have that from the central Asians and gypsies to begin with. You always shift goal posts to demoralize, yet we know that it's not a new tactic from you and it'll end up having the same conclusion that nothing will happen.

>>523899261
is this what venezuela is going to look like?
wonder how I can contribute to the MIC to make some cash on my own and quit this dead end job finally

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>>523914545
>Russia has a future. Europe does not