Some of you might know me from previous threads, but now with all the boats blowing up and the rumours about war, many people seem to be interested in what is going on in Venezuela. As a member of the Venezuelan diaspora, I might be of some use and give you some info. I was able to move to Spain almost 9 months ago, my father was able to get the documents and we all moved here. My parents, my brother, my brother's gf, a cousin and me.I know this is /pol/ so I always get a lot of insults when I tell my story but I also got a lot of support the previous times I talked about the Venezuelan situation. Last time it was brutal but I would love for this thread to be peaceful.
>>523911899fuck off spic
What factors pressured your family to leave?
¡¡¡¡¡Jajajaja estoy usando los interwebs!!!!!
>>523911899>Ask me anythingDo you think this is fucking Preddit or something?
>>523911899¿Por que no arreglas tu país en vez de huir zambo?
>>523912016Venezuela ruined my life. I had been dreaming about moving to Spain for ages but it wasn't easy getting the documents. My father finally got them and was able to took us all.>>523912332My great grandparents were Spanish. I'm completely legal. I've returned home.Last thread we had a lot of bottle kids going nuts. I will not engage with schizos. Just saying. Apart from bottle kids, I will reply to all questions with a 100% honesty.
>>523911899>so I always get a lot of insults when I tell my storyofc you doBut think about the fact that people here are so stupid that most of us believe /pol/ is riddled with bots; but even with constant changes of captchas and post timers, we still have braindead posts.
Nigga stfu
>>523911899¿Cómo te está tratando Españita?¿y cómo de mal lo ves para tu patria?
>>523912813Thanks for your legit questions.1) I've never been any happier in my life. I got a humble job reforming houses, reforming the interior, changing floors, painting, that kind of stuff. I was able to buy a humble second hand car and I already have a small group of Spanish friends. First time I went out at night with them, first, we watched a football game and then we were having beers for hours, enjoying the weather and everything, just enjoying that freedom of being able to be with your friends at night without fearing for your life and everybody having a laugh... I know this is 4chan and here you have to be miserable, but I shed a tear of happiness when I got home2) I think it's over for Venezuela. I think nothing is gonna happen and it will just be Cuba 2.0. forever.
>>523912577You are not White. You are not Spanish! Stop usurping other people's identity and history.
>>523913240They say that the greatest thing about Madrid is that no one is actually from Madrid, so it's a great place to fit in.Have you been in any other provinces yet?If you get the chance, Asturias and Galicia are absolutely worth visiting.
>>523911899Are Venezuelan highways like grand theft auto, filled with violent bandits?
>>523912577>Mis bisabuelos eran españolesMeh, si estuviese en tus zapatos, hubiese hecho exactamente lo mismo. Probablemente me largué de aquí el otro año, pero no a España. Allí es difícil ser autónomo/hacer negocio
>>523913494I shall not engage with bottle kids that consume too much foreign content and have stupid ideas about themselves. Please, understand>>523913529I've been traveling during the weekend with my second hand car, seeing the little towns, the cathedrals and everything, but so far, the farthest I've been from Madrid was Burgos. And i really loved it. I'm catholic and seeing the little towns, the cathedrals, trying the rural food, it's something that I really love. I will try to see the entirerity of Spain.>>523913708Venezuela is Mad Max the caribbean version. It took me some weeks not to get all worked up everytime I heard a motorbike. PTSD I guess.
>>523912180Have you watched this movie? It's about a Spanish dude that moves to Utretch (The Netherlands) and he gets constantly bullied by white nothern europeans. He gets constantly called by whites "The Spaniard" full of disdain and his only friend is a mentor figure that is a black lady, native dutch, that is 60 years old.
>>523911899Every single Venezuelan:>Migrates to your country and brings their loud music and crime everywhere>Votes for the most right-wing party available without care for the local problems "asi empezo Venezuela marico, no votes socialismo">Begs you to bomb their country and fight on their behalf>Passively-aggressively insults your nationVery annoying people
>>523912332>¿Por que no arreglas tu país en vez de huir zambo?Uno no tiene responsabilidad de arreglar un pais. Habiendo dicho eso, el OP no puede ni arreglar un inodoro taponado. Es una persona sin habilidades, inutil, y su familia tambien. Venezuela lo arruino porque dejo de recibir subsidios indirectos del petroleo, y descubrio quesu trabajo era ficticio y no valia una mierda. Es asi con casi todos los venezolanos, esa gente va 9 horas al trabajo a calentar un asiento, luego te dicen lo mucho que trabajan.
>>523914821What angers me is that he has the pretension of being a Spaniard. Like a thief who enters someone else's home by the backdoor and proclaims himself its owner.
>>523915048>>523914821Why do you hate me so much? My great grandparents are Spanish. I've already sworn the constitution. I'm already Spanish by bloodright and I've never been any happier in my life. What angers you is that I'm happy and I've been able to build a humble and honest life. Bottle kids like you just want everyone to be miserable.
>>523914821>Votes for the most right-wing party availableUmmm BASED much?
>>523915269>My great grandparents are Spanish.No me creo eso. Tienes 8 bisabuelos, todos eran españoles? Claro que no.Ademas de eso no explicas nada sobre tu vida. Eres un inutil sin habiliadades como 99% de los venezolanos, tus unicas credenciales son un diploma que sacaste por presion social y vas al trabajo a calentar una sillar. Nunca has producido nada y si no fuera por el petroleo no habrias tenido nada nunca.Tus bisabuelos españoles fueron a Venezuela a que les dieran dinero del petroleo, no a trabajar, porque trabajar se puede en cualquier sitio. Te has ido a españa a que te den dinero aleman
>>523915507I shall not engage with bottle kids that consume too much foreign content and believe they know something about the world. Please, understand.
>>523915269I don't hate you, but what you're doing is outrageous. If Brazil ever go to shit I would never flee to Portugal and declare myself Portuguese, even though I legally could obtain citizenship. At best I would remain there as a temporary measure until the situation here changed. Legitimate nationality is inherited by at least one native parent and not by some distant, remote kin. What you are doing is even more immoral given the fact European peoples are undergoing a process of replacement and extermination – by now quite advanced in Iberia – and you're deliberately taking advantage of some cultural proximity to add to their suffering, protected by the fact it is taboo for most of them to talk negatively about Latin American immigrants like it's done with Muslims and Africans. It's simply unacceptable.
>>523915567>I shall not engage withEntonces que haces aca, no quieres escuchar y tampoco quieres decir nada.Aparte de inutil eres un mentiroso. Eres un tipico 24% negro 38% indio 21% español 26% hominido arcaico indeterminado.Tu papa tambien era un inutil. Te vas a donde te den subvenciones, ya sea petroleo o dinero aleman
>>523915736I'm already Spanish, I'm telling you, my great grandparents were Spanish. I've sworn the constitution. You hate me because you have consumed too much /pol/ and have a lot of negative ideas that are destroying your spirit. You hate me because I'm fully integrated and I've been able to build a honest life.
>>523916131>my great grandparents were Spanish. I'Mientes
I keep answering questions with a 100% honesty. No bottle kids and no meme flags. That's all.
>>523916786No has respondido a nada. Solo mientes.
>>523912607I’m a retarded bully, not a bot. Have you ever seen Dennis the Menace?
>>523911899>my father was able to get the documents and we all moved hereSo did you ask your father how he made his money?You obviously do not work, yet you own a car and daddy owns a "small apartment" in fucking Spain, not a tent in Mexico like actual economic refugees.Did you make contact with your father's CIA handler yet? Are you getting extra points for your 4chin activism?Come on, Pedro, spill the beans!
>>523917673I remember you from yesterday, Italy bro lol. You made the same question. I bought a humble second hand car with my second job. It's an old seat ibiza, what's so baffling about buying a really old car to move around during the weekends? On weekdays, I take the subway and then we use the company van for the reforms. Secondly, we don't own an appartment in Spain. We are living in a small flat, 6 people in a small flat. I assure you, if I was a rich baby OIL Venezuelan (it's true that there are a lot of those in Madrid), I wouldn't be working reforming houses or live with my parents in a small flat. I try to save us much from my salary as possible to try to be able to live alone, but for now I understand that it might take some time.
>>523918267>I bought a humble second hand car with my second job.Por que no trabajas en Venezuela?
>>523918267>what's so baffling about buying a really old car to move around during the weekends?The average monthly salary in Venezuela is $230: https://www.statista.com/topics/11572/poverty-and-inequality-in-venezuela/How did daddy get rich from judicious saving in the coin jar, Pedro?
>>523919078Average, 90% of people
>>523919078>>523919174Un salario tan bajo solo es posible por tener un trabajo falso donde se va es a hacer presencia. A sentarse a no hacer nada. Asi son casi todos los trabajos en Venezuela.
>>523912332Jajajajajajaj Arreglar algo y genética negra no van de la mano
>>523919629El negro trabaja si le dices que hacer.
>>523916786What's a bottle kid?
>>523911899You’re that self hating attention gag who thinks he’s white
>>523919893
>>523919078I seriously can't understand what's so baffling about buying an old seat ibiza after working reforming houses.
>>523920363El por que no haces lo mismo en Venezuela
The most important question is why the fuck do you keep remaking this thread? Are you such a lonely, insecure, attention seeking faggot that you need engagement about this until you get enough people to praise you so that you stop feeling sorry for yourself?Annoyingass attentionwhore.
>>523920363>I seriously can't understand what's so baffling about buying an old seat ibiza after working reforming houses.The baffling part is how you got there.Spain's official unemployment rate is 10.45%, and you - an unqualified immigrant with no connections in the country - found a good job with a decent salary just like that?After flying there - with your brother's girlfriend in tow - and renting that small flat with no references?In fucking Spain? In fucking Europe?How, Pedro?How?
>>523920990You seem to be obsessed about us Venezuelans. Are you even Italian? Weird to see a normal Italian so obsessed. But at least you seem to have good manners so I will answer you. Please, look at pic relatedIt's the immigrants in Spain. Population and "cotizantes". Cotizantes means the people that are legally working and paying the taxes. Among all immigrants in Spain, it clearly shows how Venezuelans are the most hard working ones and they are all paying their taxes. The data shows how 70% of Venezuelans in Spain are legally working and paying their taxes. I assume you're one of those 4channers that hates Spain and Spanish speaking people, has been once in Barcelona and believes everyone is a bartender or something. I feel sad about you. You hate me because I've been able to create an honest life here. I hope you reevaluate your priorities and heal all that hate you have within you.
>>523921356>. You hate me because I've been able to create an honest life hereYo no te odio, te llamo mentiroso, que no es lo mismo que odiarte
>>523914821Why are there so many brownoid kukitas on /pol/? you got bullied so much on twitter you escaped here to post among other brown leftists?
>>523921583Judio puto, ningun ario Latinx se cree tu pilpul
>>523914742No because it sounds like multiculti trash. Absolutely no one cares about Spaniards here.
>>523914821Based. Fuck those niggas
>>523914843>esa gente va 9 horas al trabajo a calentar un asiento, luego te dicen lo mucho que trabajan.¿Cómo sabes tanto del OP? Sobre el texto citado, así es la vida de los trabajadores públicos aquí. Su sueldo es menos de $1 y el Estado les da un bono que, si mal no recuerdo, corresponde a $112 y una bolsa de comida.
>>5239118991. Do you believe the US actually wants to invade?2. If not, what’s your perspective on the sudden hostility towards Venezuela? Choke the economy and force them into a certain bargaining position? Force out Maduro to replace him with Maria Machado? Challenging BRICS head on to test them?Of course this is all open ended and not expecting a hard truth answer. But I mean here in the states we’ve always heard the typical anti-socialist/communist rhetoric when it comes to Venzuela. But nothing more and have never felt Venezuela was a genuine threat. So this speed run into a borderline hot war seems pretty odd. Let alone I don’t think it would be much of a fight. Especially since Russia is bogged down with Ukraine and China is more focused on Taiwan. It seems like there is an astounding amount of moving parts behind the scenes but I haven’t really been able to figure it out. It seems like a lot of effort for a regime change to replace maduro with machado. It also seems like with the recent seizures of oil tankers, and what’s effectively a massive blockade on any and all imports and exports, it’s a slow burning of the economy to force Maduro to concede. But what is it he’s to give up? That’s where I’m confused as to where the US is coming from. The narco boats just feels like a massive gas light from something else. My wife is from Venezuela so this is kind of where we’re at when discussing it. Like nothing about this makes sense or has any real weight behind their justification and there is more to it.
>>523921356>You seem to be obsessed>Are you even>Weird to see>the most hard working>are all paying their taxes>legally working>I assume you're>hates Spain>I feel sad>You hate me>I hope you>heal all that hateAre you having a womyn moment, Pedro?What's with all the deflection?Answer the fucking questions!
>>523911899Do you realize that when you take a peoples space you harm them a bit? There are very few spaniards, there are very many mestizos. You could have sought refuge in a neighboring country but you didn't. You are there for first world wealth.
>>523921692Nunca vi un Goldstein en moto robandoSiempre es un GonzalesLos cambiaria a todos los villeritos como vos por judios.
>>523921356Zambo calm the fuck down. Even I am wondering how the fuck you found a job in the unemployed hell that's Spain. Jesus fucking Christ you are just a more hygienic, more aggressive version of jeets. Between all this delusional self gloating and begging for acceptance I can't even distinguish you from Visajeet Rapekatesh. Just move on with your life in Spain and stop acting like a fucking daisy. We get it, you'd rather escape than fix your country and now you're living the comfy life in Spain, stop fucking bragging
>>523922461I'm showing you the real data. Please, read the data and don't be so disrespectful. My info is based on facts. You, as that other Italian that has probably gone to Barcelona to have gay sex once and thinks he knows something, you 2 are ignorants who based your opinions on /pol/. I based my opinions on facts and data.
>>523921583Not a Kuka, just describing the situation.In Argentina, them voting for the right turned out well, but they really don't care how it turns out. They will vote for an Orban, a Bukele, a Milei, a Trump or a Le Pen, they don't care as long as it's not the left-coded party, they just want you to bomb their country. You are getting mad at a fair description of them. That's how they are.
>>523922247>Nunca vi un Goldstein en moto robando
>>523923095>In Argentina, them voting for the right turned out wellkek
>>523911899>As a member of the Venezuelan diaspora, I might be of some useOP Faggots are of no use. Spain is further away than Miami and the retards there know more than you. You pedophile defenders like Chevron more than Venezuela so no one will ever believe a thing you say until you fight the empire that is trying to murder your countrymen for Chevron.
>>523923095
>>523923353It's much appreciated.We used 2 billies of that.
>>523923080https://datosmacro.expansion.com/paro/espanaThe unemployment rate in Spain is inching towards 11% that's a high unemployment rate and your chart doesn't answer my question. How the hell did you find a job in a country with an ageing, dying and unemployed population so easily?
>>523924078I'm working reforming houses, bro. The totally Italian dude that is obsessed about Venezuela accuses me of being some kind of nepo Maduro baby, but let me ask you. Do you think normal people wanna have a physical job reforming houses? Carrying 25kg bags?Maybe then you can understand how I got that job. It's not a job for everybody. Look at the data I showed you. Only 25% of Africans work in Spain. Why? Because they don't wanna carry the 25kg bags I carry everyday.
>>523924549Right. What you are missing here is that you need authorization to work in a first world country. There are laws and their are rules. The native spaniard is subject to them and you seem to be flaunting them. This hurts them because it makes them uncompetitive because they follow the law. Mestizos do this in my country too. Fly under the radar working cash jobs, collecting benefits on the side and nobody can compete with that.
>>523924846Read the thread. I'm a Spanish citizen by bloodright, I've already sworn the citizen.
>>523925574>sworn the citizen.*the constitution
>>523911899Do you welcome Maduro getting fucked soon by Trump? What is the feeling amongst Venezuelans towards this upcoming attack? Is there fear or hope?
>>523924549Take care of your back and knees venecobro. Those kind of jobs are not sustainable in the long term
>>523925878Honestly, I think an invasion is impossible. Not because of the Venezuelan army which is shit but Venezuelan geography is way too complicated. And bombing a country is not good PR. I think the only thing left would be a CIA style coup d'état. CIA shenanigans, maybe USA offering immunity to some members, some betrayals and maybe Maduro fleeing to Cuba or Russia. Who knows.
>>523926226Thanks, man. I'm taking care of my knees and my back
