I've been out of the loop. So apparently Steven Anderson's entire movement has collapsed as it came out he beats his wife and kids severely?
>>523913754Why does this happen so often?
>>523913819In fairness I don't think this is too common even in fundamentalist circles. The majority of Steven Anderson's fellow pastors in his movement have completely denounced him and cut fellowship, which makes me think they weren't in on it at all.
>>523913754ohhh so thats why he talked about training muay thai that one time
>>523913754Lol he came out as a gay wife beater who beats his children off?
>>523913754Yea, basically.Steven AndersonR̶o̶g̶e̶r̶ ̶J̶i̶m̶i̶n̶e̶z̶D̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶B̶e̶r̶z̶i̶n̶s̶J̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶R̶o̶b̶i̶n̶s̶o̶n̶J̶a̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶o̶z̶a̶rn̶s̶k̶y̶R̶o̶c̶k̶y̶ ̶R̶a̶n̶d̶a̶l̶l̶ J̶o̶e̶ ̶J̶o̶n̶e̶s̶Aaron Thompson D̶o̶n̶n̶i̶e̶ ̶R̶o̶m̶e̶r̶o̶Jonathan ShelleyBruce MejiaCorbin RusselM̶i̶c̶h̶a̶e̶l̶ ̶J̶o̶h̶n̶s̶o̶n̶G̶a̶r̶r̶e̶t̶ ̶K̶i̶r̶s̶h̶w̶a̶y̶T̶o̶m̶m̶y̶ ̶M̶c̶M̶u̶r̶t̶r̶y̶Ian TavernerMatt StuckeyEnrique ReyesKevin SepulvedaV̶i̶c̶t̶o̶r̶ ̶T̶e̶y̶P̶a̶t̶r̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶B̶o̶y̶l̶e̶ J̶o̶e̶ ̶M̶a̶j̶o̶r̶M̶a̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶P̶e̶r̶r̶y̶ G̶r̶a̶y̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶F̶r̶i̶t̶t̶s̶"Jesus Suffered in Hell Forever">"...'and the earth with her bars was around Him', or about Him, 'forever'. I believe what that's indicating is that He [Jesus] suffered a forever of hell in a finite period of time because He's God. So He can transcend the normal rules of time and space that we would typically be familiar with.">Steven Anderson - 2 Corinthians 12 - Caught Up Into Paradise
>>523914948I know a lot of people think he's closeted, but at least from his 4 oldest children going on podcasts and denouncing him, none of them even insinuate sexual abuse or that he's a homosexual.Mostly it's that he has extreme anger issues and has repeatedly beat some children to the point of passing out. And that he and his wife torture confessions out of kids if they see something wrong but aren't sure who did it. Other stuff too but that's the main criminal-tier stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO9486vtMwMTotal nutcase story of Steven Anderson threatening to beat his 17-year-old daughter because he thought that she might talk to CPS case workers while on vacation. His daughter ended up fearing she would be killed so she moved in with Steven's brother Clint Anderson. Steven then went absolutely apeshit and posted his brother's house address publically and telling people that his brother had "kidnapped" his daughter so people would show up and attack his brother (who is also a fundamentalist Christian btw but isn't a nut).
>>523913754Actually according to the interview with his kid I watched, his wife was the one doing the beatings. At one point he started beating her regularly, but he was only beating the kids at his wife's request.
>>523913819believing you're saved no matter what you do on this earth creates some of the most foul arrogance and sinful behavior you'll ever see
>>523915689His son John revealed that they would leave sex toys, such as Anal Beads, lying around the house. He even speculated that Steven was the one receiving the Beads.>>523915716The son, Isaac, said the mother beat them the most often but the father beat them the most severe.
>>523915804Hebrews 13:5
Crazy baptist evangelicals, they were always a bunch of complete zealots going back all the way to anabaptist days. Anderson was a mouth frothing manlet, you could already sense that the guy has issues.
>>523915804thisthe fruits of half of millenium of protestantism, the heresy of sola fide and sola scriptura
>>523913754Doesn't he act like he would?
>>523913754>Arrogant hick heretic overdoses on ego and God takes everything away from him Glory to Jesus Christ
Used to listen to him pretty often ten years back. He was pretty based not gonna lie. Made me want to join a baptist church rather than a lovey dovey one line Catholicism or Lutheran. Real shame to hear. It's one thing to take it out on your wife, because wives are usually huge bitches, but beating the kids ain't good.
>>523915233Wow, didn't even know Paul Wittenberger has denounced him too. Absolutely wild. That dude was Pastor Anderson's closest non-pastor friend.I mean I actually am proud that despite Steven being the "pope" of this brand of Baptist, a huge number of his associated pastors have completely renounced him and won't have anything to do with him. Really shocking to see Pastors Dave Berzins and Roger Jiminez as they were also close friends with him. It looks like anyone who has even a shred of integrity has denounced him.
>>523916525>>523916575protestants all devolve into weird cliques and cults because they have the religion assbackwards.
>>523916525Yeah I learned a ton about the Bible from him personally. Ironically you can find a lot of his own sermons about how your sins will find you out, that God will crash your life around Christians that live ungodly, etc. and that's exactly what's happening to him.
I saw him only the image of Jesus (a painting) and justify it by saying “that’s not the real Jesus”. I started disregarding him after that. The fact is the painting is meant to represent Jesus, and it does to many people, so why did he insult the appearance of Jesus with long hair? That’s what the Shroud of Turin looks like too.
>>523913819because women have trouble learning
>>523917115*I saw him insult a painting of Jesus on XHe justified it by saying “that’s not the real Jesus”
>>523913754>be jewish>abuse childrenevery time
>>523917194(((Renegade tribune))) glows. Just a seething hotbed of gossipers. They have insulted every based NatSoc for being Christian.
Everyone on this board could have benefitting from an ass beating when they were younger of they weren't all niggers who grew up with single mothers.Maybe you wouldn't be such degenerates!
>>523917348>(((Renegade tribune))) glowsRenegade is based as fuck>They have insulted every based NatSoc for being Christian.Good, christcuckery is a disease that leads to jew worship and racial suicide. we can't solve the jewish problem until we solve the christcuck problem
>>523917478>Renegade is based as fuckCalling Sinead 'based' might be stretching it. But she's is fake as she's sane, meaning not at all.
>>523917478Yet they simultaneously posted the Gudrun Himmler interview where she says how Germany was Christian and Christianity is good. Maybe you're just a schizo.
>>523917388there's a difference between correcting children out of love and being an evil faggot beating them out of anger and hatred like anderson
>>523917743>noooo they can't just post different perspectives on things
>>523913819he obviously misunderstood parts of the biblejust cause you're Christian doesn't mean you're not ignorant to it
>>523913754I was behind him as long as he only beat his wife and kids lightly, you know, when they deserved it, but severely? i just don't know if I can support that.
>>523913754>small town pastor gets fame and notoriety online>does things within biblical law>now he is a person to shameEven if he did do something wrong we are to forgive him for we are also not perfectYour denouncements and shaming tactics have no real value other than to circlejerk backpats between people who do way more evil shit. Who are not repent of their sins and their crimes and will continue to do them in their daily lives.
>>523918391you cant keep forgiving though. you have to exile someone who hasn't shown any real repentance for their transgressions
>>523918391That's the thing, Anderson is completely unrepentant. It's not like all the other pastors, his kids, his brother, etc. are all just being hardasses against him out of spite, he's both defending "spousal corporate punishment" and saying all of his kids are evil liars but can't form even a bad explanation as to why they would all give the exact same accounts of his flying-off-the-handle violent outbursts and abuses.I could give the benefit of the doubt if it were just one random kid saying bad stories, it's literally all 4 of his oldest that no longer live with him.
He has a lot of wrong theological positions. Don't get your doctrine from him. Yet I'm still a Pastor Anderson appreciator. Key point being that there are few people who risk it all to publicly express "extreme" beliefs and he is one who does. He could easily loose it all or be killed. He doesn't seem to care.This video alone makes me a fan:youtube .com/watch?v=UbSM_kxpObcI followed the drama during the kids issue. I don't know what to comment (seems overall bad but average compared to growing up with pre-1990's parents). Interesting to me is:kids actually turned out pretty good. I follow the ones I can on socials and most seem pretty good. John (?) is partying it up but the other two guys seem successful. Even John seems successfull socially and is maybe and emt or something. The oldest one has a straight on video about how to make 100k a year with no college (be a plumber). Isaac seems good and "based".They also made or endorsed a lot of facebook groups making fun of it all. Not just of their Dad but of their own abuse. Seemed a bit weird - a bit like "yeah he beat us lol"I believe them yet the whole thing gained nothing. The went to a tranny or equiv for their first interviews. I don't get it. They are all still Christians so why not try a more tame way to fix what they thought was wrong in their Dad's church.
>>523913754Dont care.Hes still NOT WRONG about Israel
>>523913754Spare the rod, spoil the child. Ain't nothing wrong with a little corrective action.
>>523913754he went hard at flat earth with the usual retarded balltard arguments so no one took him seriously anymore
>>523919566He is wrong on Israel, ironically. He believes Romans 11 is about "ethnically Jewish people", even though a main part of Marching to Zion is proving that everyone is Jewish. Bruce Mejia even said that the Synagogue of Satan is referring to non-Ethnic Jews. It's the most bizarre 180 and no one is even calling it out. Seems like controlled opposition honestly.
>>523919859Being vocally opposed to the flat earth people is one of his better contributions to fundamentalist Christianity. That stuff is a plague that just means anyone with an IQ above 90 will never become Christian.
>>523920161>opposed to the flat earth>fundamentalist Christianityirony, the post
>>523920541Christians were never Flat Earth
>>523920677>balltard>christianno such thing>b-but muh 17th century creationist saidyou're both clueless larpers, nothing new
>>523921390Shalom.
>>523921390If someone wanted to know for sure they would go to heaven when they die, what would they have to do?
>>523921445observably and measurably flat and motionless, cope
>>523917119every man in that room is a coward
>>523913754I thought he fell off because of the race-mixing thing and how he admitted he was jewish?
>>523913754All of his kids are Jewish and one of them is a Neo-Nazi lol. His wife is a Hungarian Jew.
>>523921661>If someone wanted to know for sureeasily measurableyou not wanting to know doesn't make it impossible to know, it just means you're retarded
Isn't one of sons gay?
>>523922063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Uj1Os0bHs
>>523914543>I don't think this is too common even in fundamentalist circles.Nearly every fundamentalist sect that has existed over the last 100 years ends up tearing itself apart due to abuse, sexual and physical, along with them making their sons feel even more worthless then modern society does.
>>523922088One became gay and another one became a Neo-Nazi. The duality of man.
>>523913754Yes, it was obvious from the first moment anyone saw him that he was an angry, evil man. He pretends to be some masculine he-man, but he's a little beta bitch who probably sits down to pee.
I like steve marching to zion is a masterpiece no wonder kikes are this mad
>>523913754Praise rebbe Yeshu!
>>523923040Marching to Zion is basically stolen material. Kikes probably aren't mad at Steve at all. He kept his mouth shut about Palestine for the last 2 years.
>>523913754hey jesus never said you shouldn't hit your wife, he just said you shouldn't divorce her for not putting out
>>523923181Youre seething without even saying anything
>>523923267The Bible says that you become one flesh, and sense self-flagellation isn't allowed his bizarre defense isn't even correct.
>>523925596>and sense self-flagellation isn't allowedchapter/verse? and don't name one that just says you shouldn't do it in public to earn praise, since that's not about the self-flagellation itself.
>>523913754His tendency for domestic violence shouldn’t take away from all he has done for the Noticing.
>>523917478Thor is a crossdressing tranny
>>523926168and your circumcised god enjoys snuggle time with his gay lover
>>523926458Where did I say I was religious pagay
>>523926555>christcuck denies christ and wastes digits which is a guaranteed trip to hellfireoh no that sucks
>>523925957https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%2018&version=KJVYou can read the context of it in 1 Kings 18 (specifically verse 28). Physically damaging your flesh and getting blood to come out is a trait of the worshippers of Baal, not Christ.
>>523913754I don't know about this shithead, but Protestants don't care about self-examination and working on themselves, because they believe God will just do all the work for them anyway in giving holiness. "God chooses you, and then you'll become super awesome" is their line of thinking, but that never really happens for them.
>>523926850All religion is bullshit anon I don't care
Didn't trust this guy ever since I saw the clip of him saying homosexuals should kill themselves.Considering suicide in most situations sends you straight to hell, telling people to do so from a position as a pastor no less is probably a guaranteed ticket to hell. You are definitely not Christian if you do so.
>>523917115>so why did he insult the appearance of Jesus with long hair?Because it doesn't make sense scripturally. Saul says outright that men should not wear long hair, if modern long haired image of Jewsus was a thing in his time Saul wouldn't have said that
no. it was the mixed race weddings he officated
Catholicucks having a melty on /pol/? Go back to twitter.
>>523913754Satanic gay kewish nigger worshiping race mixing inbred heretic and piece of shit bastard
>>523917194>favorite pastor of anybody on 4chan>doesn't want kikes exterminated and doesn't hate niggersAre you a newfag nigger? Kikes always do this, they place themselves at the forefront of potential trends in order to ensure they don't become anti-semitic. There were crypto-kikes all through Rockwell's movement and kike plants in Pierce's. Not only does it mean they can denounce anybody who says we should kill the heebs they get to grift on gullible politicos. Mike Enoch is a major example who is explicitly atheist and now even caters to libtard sensibilities with a nazi coat of paint.
>>523929030The long hair thing is more a 800AD nonconvention, not really modern.
I used to watch him a lot a kinda got sucked in for a few months. He basically has proven his ideology wrong though. He argued it would be impossible for his kids to become reprobates since they have been 'saved' since children, and truly saved people cannot become reprobates. Then he chiped out when his kids turned against him and started calling them reprobates. I'm beginning to think if any form of Christianity is correct, it is Catholicism or Orthodoxy, but I am pretty skeptical of all religion at this point.
>>523929048I'm a Baptist and agree with him on like 95% of the Bible. Posted this thread because I haven't followed him for a few years and was shocked how badly things have collapsed for his movement.
>relgious fundie who preaches to do good is actually a terrible personWater is wet. People like him just use religion for its intended purpose; controlling the narrative and gaining power. All religious fundamentalists are mental cases and enemies of humanity.
>>523929774It didn't collapse, he's getting more salvations per year than ever, and the church moved to a bigger building.The movement was filled with feminist wifey pastors, and they left. So it's stronger now without them.
>>523913819>Say beating up wife and kids is based and redpilled and traditional and manly and right-wing>Be surprised when based right wingers beat up their wives and kids
>>523917119Why’d he do that?
>>523929642There are really good protestant sphere churches out there.Dont fall for the hyper masculinity propaganda the orthobros or papists push about being a masculine, patristic faith. They SIMP for mary, who was a common woman who acknowledged God was her savior
>>523929642Show me a post or clip where he called his children reprobates. I doubt he did it.
>>523930629this. this whole anti Anderson narrative feels gossipy and fake
>>523932134>>523930629Make sure you watch this whole video, kekhttps://youtu.be/jeUabqeZaLs
>>523932134He's lost all of his adult children for being a wife beater and child beater. Most of his pastor friends have publicly broke fellowship with him. It's not just random gossip on the internet.
>>523932243again - where'd he call them reprobates? this edit and comment section is so faggy; not surprising a memefag is sharing it
>>523932452Did you...just get caught samefagging?
>>523932435>it's not just random gossip>posts random gossipanon, I...
>>523929048>Life falls apart >Nobody wants anything to do with him >Screeches into the void about God's Church and lies about it Seems like his life needs to get worse before he submits to God in humility
>>523913754Who?
>>523932606do you know what samefagging even means, lmao. embarassing
>>523932697watch marching to zion and sodomite deception
>>523932715Pathetic.
>>523923040>>523923181>>523923348>>523920006>Marching to Zionit was always obvious that Anderson had many issues and was not fully operating with the blessing of the Holy Spiritbut that documentary does do a good job of letting jews openly state all of their terrible beliefs"once saved always saved" is a dangerous heretical belief not backed by scripturebut pushing back against jewry and faggotry is important these days
>>523932918Hebrews 13:5
>>523917119The fuck did she do?
>>523932918>"once saved always saved" is a dangerous heretical belief not backed by scripturethe opposite is the truth. thanks for the mask off momentJohn 10:28>28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.Romans 8>38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
>>523913754> AnderSON!!!SHOCKER!
>>523933203>Polack got scammed into protestantism Go to confession, retard
Wow, there sure are a lot of jewish flags in this thread.
>>523933381Who is this person to you?
>>523917119It is my cunny, not yours.I can do what I wunt!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-GYb697MV4
>>523933345>no rebuttalwait, I thought it's totally not backed by scriptured n shiet? thanks for playing
>>523917119Every person I've seen with eyes and hair like that is always just a complete piece of shit, no question. It's always with some sort of beer gut build, too. I once had a neighbor who looked like that and he was a total shit. They're made in some demonic test tubes under breweries, I swear.
>>523933449>personkek
>>523933479How the fuck did you get brainwashed by this retarded protestestant heresy in Poland You even have the same demonic arrogance that every protestant has You're all satanists and the cause of liberalism, the growth in jewish power and everything wrong with the world today
>>523933009>>523933203God will never reject you or take His salvation from you, but YOU can reject God through sin, proving you were never truly touched by the Holy Spirit>2 Peter 2>20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.>21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.>22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.>“Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.” (1 John 3:4-6)The wages of sin is death, anons.
>>523913819hardcore christcucks are mentally ill and need their retarded religion to not completely decompensate and end up in a ward
>>523933479>heretic can't even follow post IDsyou are blinded, anonreject sin and heresymay Christ our redeemer guide you
>>523933655Ok, so is King Saul in heaven or hell?>Oh anon, we simply can't say. Only God knowsCop-out.
>>523926458>misreading it like thisEmbarrassingNot even a christcuck, I just hate dishonesty like this
>>523922279That's because evangelicism is a jewish slave cult invented by jews in order to get goyim to have total loyalty and devotion to Israel since Israel is central to the end times prophecy shit that evangelical Christianity is based around
>>523933748The gates of heaven weren't open, the righteous went to Abraham's Bosom, learn to Christianity
>>523915804Unironically I think this is definitely a problem because I see a lot of this among baptist types
>>523933614>doubles downstill nothing but ad hominems huh? let's see the scripture supporting your view instead of whatever this jewy moving the goalpost thing you're doing. I'm beginning to suspect you have nothing at all (except for probably James which was talking about appearing saved in front of men)
>>523933943Correct, it's a new heresy from 500 years ago and results in living like satanic jews
>>523933893I said "is King Saul in heaven". I didn't ask "did King Saul go to heaven when he died". Learn to read, or was that just a Kike way to cop out of an answer?
>>523913754Only a retard would be shocked to learn any of that.
>>523933739>hereticI've yet to see scripture supporting this baseless accusation
>>523933538Canaanite gentile jew nigger spawn if you care for the truth.That is what the kikes and their nigger animal spawns don't want you to know.It's how sand niggers and kikes got made.It's why they are anti-Jesus because he called out their sub human Cain nigger spawned fruit.The more you know the more you'll know it's.EVERYSINGLETIME
>>523913754all prottards are retarded kooks like this, what else is new?
>>523933975I'm not arguing with you, I already argue enough with other Americans because they were born into this retardation, you can walk talk to actual priests and theologians and see how that goes, rather than shit flinging on this thread
>>523933748>leaving the final judgement of men's souls to Christ is a cop outyour spirit is obvious, anonfrom a biblical and human point of view his continual disobedience and eventual defeat shows that he rejected God, plus he killed himselfI wouldn't want to be him on his judgement day
>>523934002They're annoying as hell tooI've seen them say people are going to hell for denying the rapturewhich nobody believed in until like 1800s or something iirc
>>523934023I gave you twobut you mistook another anon for me on a board that has post IDs, so you aren't really showing us your critical thinking skills here
>>523934094Samuel was summoned by the witch at Endor. Samuel said Saul would be with him, in Abraham's Bosom, upon his death. You don't even know your Bible
Is he taking suggestions?The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
>>523913754>be self righteous pastor>be self righteous hypocrite>And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. -Ephesians 6:4many such cases
He's a fantastic preacher. But teens and 20s will not appreciate what he's done to protect them until they reach 40+. It's not his fault. It's this rotten, spiritually corrupting society. The beatings Must continue.
Christcucks excuse any behavior they want because the bible contradicts itself on almost every issue you can think of. Wanna sin all day? The bible covers that. Want to judge others for sinning all day and kick them out or abuse them? The bible covers that. Want to believe something because you feel like it? Personal conviction from God, the bible covers that. Want to tell someone their personal conviction from God is evil and then shun them? The bible covers that.
>>523934261Seething loser "pastor" heretic that got some internet fame for being a psychotic crash-out and now nobody wants to interact with him after it was revealed that he beat the shit out of his kids
>>523933943>>523934002>>523934135in the otherwise interesting Marching to Zion, Anderson flat out says that rape and murder by a person who is supposedly 'saved' would only result in a bad life in this world, and the person would still go to heaven regardless of repentancewhat a terrible excuse for theologymany Americans, especially those who only recently accepted Christ, don't have a lot of non-protestant culture to choose from where they are at (both in life and geographically)please don't forget to pray for them and have patience/grace
>>523934075>you can walk talk to actual priestsoh trust me, I'd go in a heartbeat, but they call themselves father despite scripture saying to call no one father. they say Mary is the mediator despite scripture saying there is only one mediator, Jesus Christ. they have no families despite the Bible saying it is a requirement, and so on.
>>523920161The earth is actually flat and stationary moron.
>>523934305Protestantism is false and the framework you're attacking is retarded which is why you hate it >t. Catholic, Orthodox, all apostolic Christians
Don't believe the reddit-tier posts. You are your faith. If you lose your faith, you case to exist. At that point the jew may do whatever he pleases with your empty vessel.
>>523934393They made it defacto illegal to read the bible for centuries. Perhaps they understood it was a contradictive subversive work. Catholic and Orthodox is based on more White tradition. But if you think relying on a jewish book of subversion is better, that's on you.
>>523934393>oh trust me, I'd go in a heartbeat, but that was a lie, I won't do it and here are some excuses that nobody cares about A real truth warrior right here
>>523934469I know it's false. Because the Bible is subversive. That's why they made it illegal to read for centuries. The modern catholic and orthodox are no different than protestants tho.
>>523934172I did do that, sorry. >>523933655>the wages of sin death, anonsRomans 6>23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.even a thought of foolishness is sin. good luck getting rid of that entirely
>>523934284Hes a hard-core advocate for immigration. Same with all bible thumpers. They are either morally or financially invested in bringing as many immigrants into the u.s as possible. "Christians" are the leading cause of immigration; even more so than libs. We are already not appreciating what these people have done "for" us. Im surprised more people dont realize who is bringing in and housing all these foreigners in rural areas. Its not the libs.
>>523913754What another man does with his property isn't my concern.
>>523934538showing their blatant hypocrisy is making excuses? please... you're not arguing in good faith at all
>>523934568>The modern catholic and orthodox are no different than protestants tho.You don't know anything about it yet you come here and pretend Grow up and either go learn about it or go fuck off and waste your time somewhere else
>>523934284He wants them mixing with niggers so they will be more like him.Self righteous love is not love at all.Russell's Paradox.So they can appropriate and parasite better.To be the least nigger spawned nigger in the room.It's self righteous glory yet nothing comes before God the Father.It's why people are abandoning Christianity because they have change the Word of God to fit what they wished things were and not the way they are.Real bad move.
>>523934630I'm arguing with almost everyone in this thread, go talk to a real person that you have close access to instead of acting tough on the internet with people that have nothing to do with your country or community
>>523934636I know the bible much better than you do and was a fundamentalist for years. Are you orthodox? Then you'll tell me about tradition. I'd love to explain hippolytus explaining how you are essentially excommunicated. If we're going on tradition alone. The medevil Catholic church understood the Bible was subversive, so made sure the clergy were the mode through which theology was taught.
>>523934180Samuel merely says to Saul that tomorrow he "will be with me"show a verse where he specifically says "in Abraham's Bosom"Samuel could have meant with him in death, or with him in the underworld/hadesfrom the story of Lazarus we know that those in hell/hades are physically close to those in Abraham's Bosom to the point that they can speak to one anotherSamuel does, however, specifically say that God has rejected Saul, taken the kingdom from him, and he will be defeated in battleI hope that God's grace does extend to Saul, but it is ultimately Christ's judgementyour facetious 'cop out' response on that shows the nature of your spirit
>>523934568>christians are the only ones who successfully challenge and Expel jews>kikes seethe at Christ or christianity and seee it as inherently anti Semitic>Works endlessly to subver itYou are either a kike or a moron. Christ is king and will continue to oppose the satanic pharisees that call themselves jews
>>523934737>I was born a protestant like everyone else in this country so I know all about Christianity You were born in a new American sect and you don't know anything about Christianity, go learn or fuck off and let us deal with this
>>523934749>Samuel could have meant with him in death, or with him in the underworld/hadesThat's doesn't make any sense. You're just spinning yarns at this point. Why wouldn't Samuel warn him if he was headed for Abraham's Bosom? Absolute stupidity, illogical cope just so you can reject Once Saved Always Saved.
>>523934573all the more reason to continuously live with a spirit of repentance and prayer asking for the mercy and forgiveness of Christ, anonscripture does not contradict itself, and I gave you two verses showing how what you are claiming (you can sin all you want and still be saved) is false
>>523934888Why wouldn't Samuel warn him if he Wasn't* headed for Abraham's Bosom
>>523934722Oh so it doesn't matter they're utter hypocrites, all that matter is that they're closeby and I should go talk to them regardless? How does that make any sense whatsoever?
>>523934783>Whites are the only ones who successfully challenge and Expel jewsFTFYanything else?
>>523934831I was born a catholic. I know the Bible better than you do, and you have no substantive rebuttal to my argument >>523934305
>>523934963>I can run circles around them but we disagree so actually I'm not going A real evangelist LOL
>>523934888checked and samuel absolutely does warn himwhat are you talking about?>1 Sam 28>16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for [b]Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.”>20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, and was dreadfully afraid because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day or all night.I've already given scripture completely rejected the notion of "once saved, always saved". You are the one coping and desperately grasping at heresy. What's illogical is to think that scripture contradicts itself.
>>523934998>I was a fundamentalist for years >Actually I was baptized as a baby from my parents that didn't know anything too! >Now I'm something else! Come back after you convert to your next religion that you know nothing about
>>523934931>all the more reason to continuously live with a spirit of repentance and prayer asking for the mercy and forgiveness of Christ, anonSure, but I also fail to see how that follows>scripture does not contradict itself, and I gave you two verses showing how what you are claiming (you can sin all you want and still be saved) is falseI've yet to see your rebuttal of the verses saying exactly that here: >>523933203. I know I will get destroyed here on Earth if I'll continue sinning with reckless abandon, but to imply I have to become perfectly sinless in order to get saved is stripping the free gift/grace part from the deal altogether; how do you reconcile that?
also worth noting that Saul's time was obviously before the death and resurrection of ChristAbraham's Bosom was for those before Christ that lived righteously according to the law, which Saul obviously did not
No man truly seeking God would settle for a self disproving text of contradictions. The character of Jesus said he was coming back during the lifetimes of those alive back then to establish the millennial kingdom, bringing his army of angels and rewards. Paul believed it so much he taught how to act if you were one of the ones still alive then.>For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”Matthew 16:27-28
>>523935127Samuel did not warn him to repent. Which is what a prophet would do if their friend was on his way to Torment. You're such a slimy, dishonest person, which I see a lot of in your circles. It is the fruit of whatever garbage you come out of.
>>523935127>Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon AmalekAka you didn't commit enough atrocities against non-jews. By the way, they cosider YOU to be Amalek today.
>>523935188>I have no counterargumentk
>>523917119context? why are the men all blindfolded? i'll withhold judgment in case she is a real piece of shit, but if not that guy needs to be gassed.
>>523935077Oh so you mean I should go and show them their hypocrisy according to scripture? I did think of that before. I will try that
>>523913819An extremely warped perception of what it means to be a man, really. When you have a mindset like that you tend to do things that no man should ever do.
>>523933803>i'm not a christcuck but i'm crying about this post and completely ignoring what it was in response towew lad
>>523935241>I've yet to see your rebuttal of the versesbecause you refused to actually read what I posted here >>523933655> I know I will get destroyed here on Earth if I'll continue sinning with reckless abandonwhere does scripture say that? scripture doesn't talk about or care about earthly reward when it it comes to sin beyond saying that those who trust and obey God do better than those who do not>I have to become perfectly sinless in order to get savedalso not what I said or what scripture saidyou are jumping through hoops to protect your heresy
>>523935379Just do it, you're going to get confronted by your false canon and presuppositions and then you'll run away, go do it pussy
>>523934620Why would I care what his politics are? It goes with the grift.No one's coming to save you. No one believes what they say. All the world is a stage.
>>523935509pure scripture is false canon now? lmao what are you even doing bro
>>523935302there was no repentance for SaulGod's judgement had come, because God can forsee the futureif Saul wanted to repent and obey God, he wouldn't have went to a witch lmaoit was not Samuel's place to warn Saul, Samuel shouldn't have even been involved in Saul's witchcraft in the first placeyour insults mean nothing to be after you've exposed your spirit, anon>calling the one true holy apostolic church 'garbage'I'll pray for you, memeflag
>>523935300>"some of you will see Me coming in My kingdom">*immediately take three of them to see you coming in your kingdom*>"dis disproves in Jesus checkmate Christians!"Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and [a]James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three [b]tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell [c]face down to the ground and were terrified. 7 And Jesus came to them and touched them and said, “Get up, and do not be afraid.” 8 And lifting up their eyes, they saw no one except Jesus Himself alone.
>>523935596You're missing books, dumb ass Your entire fake religion rests on a fake pillar Go talk to someone in real life, you won't because you're afraid
>>523915841Bdsm stuff did not surprise me.I remember his wife talking about sex years ago, saying that anything goes as long as it’s between a husband and wife there’s nothing you can do in the bedroom that’s sinful in God’s eyes. I knew they were not prudes at all and were probably pretty kinky.
>>523935596you're ignoring scripture in this very thread, anonI also don't like the tradition of calling priests father but guess what? they don't make you or care if you don't go talk to them
>>523935303Amalek was a specific tribe not all non jews
>>523935664>Jesus tells a crowd some there will survive to see him establish the millenial kingdom>But what he really meant was that he was going to sneak his three besties up a mountain next week and give them a vision of itThis is what I'm talking about. The levels of cope christcucks have to stand behind to make their subversive text work. The middle age Catholic church was respectable because it disregarded the subversion, and just based a White religion on the characters.
The only people who actually respected stevens pastorial work on here are edgy incels who entire reason for following him is because they think hes LE BASED and heckin says fags and other edgy dogwhistles. He always exuded an air of contempt and people mistake that for being riteous or outspoken or "based" because they think he tells it as it is, when really saying the stuff he does isnt biblical and discernment would show you hes being sinful in his attitude and expressions. Dont conflate calling out sins and calling for repentence as being contempteous and vile towards certain groups of sins and wishing them harm either in this life or the next. Its just hatred disguised as christianity. They take legalism and ramp it up to the extreme, calling out some sins over others making them hypocrites.Seeing him berate a homeless person in his church or berating his own church members and saying the things he does in these moments should ring alarm bells in your discernment of the holy spirit.
>>523935658According to your mental illness, the Christians of the first, second, and third centuries taught that King Saul went to hell. You're a liar and a lunatic. You anathematize people if they don't believe the pseudepigraphical "Gospel of James". Absolute mind-numbing stupidity.
>>523935770>My personal interpretation didn't happen so Christianity isn't real Being indoctrinated protestant is a curse, I'm unironically sorry about that
>>523935490I had to search it up in the KJV because your translation twists things up and I agree with everything - after having known that salvation comes from grace, not of works, to turn one's back on that and return to works means one has not understood the assignment at all... how was that supposed to show salvation is of works (or works + gracr), not of grace alone?>where does scripture say that?Proverbs 29>He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.>also not what I said or what scripture saidthen what is your message? what is the gospel according to scripture?
>>523935827>the Christians of the first, second, and third centuries taught that King Saul went to hellnever said thatthe church has always taught that only Christ has the final say in a person's eternitythe church defines canon with discernment of the Holy Spirit, which does not include the Gospel of James as it is apocryphathe church does believe that some true tradition/history can be found in apocrypha, but it is not divinely inspired scriptureagain, your insults mean nothing because you have shown what kind of spirit you have itt and going out of your way to show your ignorance
>>523935670What books am I missing? Your vague, shallow arguing for the sake of arguing is getting old and boring
>>523935434yeah because crossdressing is true and tranny is just an insultbut yours is actually something people would believe
>>523936001it is not a faith/works issue, that is another argument that i personally feel is way overblown and misses the pointsalvation is through Christ's grace, and when you accept that grace you become a new creation that finds sin abhorrent and detestfulif you still live in constant sin, acting like sin is just a natural part of life, then you are proving that you were not transformed and He will say that He never knew yousame with faith vs works - if you have faith, you will do the works, otherwise your faith is dead so faith vs works is a moot point, they come together, just like salvation and turning from sin
>>523915804Yeah the Bible is all about repenting and turning away from sin. Not creating fruit that is just as evil as the rest.
He tried, but he could only bluff for so long
>>523929030Saul says a lot of shit. You can't be serious, right? A Pharisee mentions it offhand in a letter and now it's ironclad doctrine? Reading that much into dead law is Jew shit.
>>523936098So the Early Church is completely silent on King Saul, but you, claiming to represent the Church of the first 1000 years has made multiple claims alluding to the fact that Saul is currently in hell. You're a slimy deceptive liar. And your doctrine on the Every Virginity of Mary comes from the pseudepigraphical "Gospel of James". And there is an Anathema against anyone who rejects the Ever Virginity of Mary. You don't even know these things. You are a sophist at best and a satanic kike at worst.
>>523936225i love how you christcucks can lie about literally anything, even deny being a christcuck to try to trick goyim into falling for your scam.you're referring to the story where Thor put on a costume so he could sneak into a wedding to get his stolen hammer back. it's beyond dishonest to claim this makes someone a tranny, if so all actors from the elizabethan era were trannies.lying dishonest christcucks are the scourge of /pol/
>>523936129There are multiple disputed canons, go research this, it's insane that these chest thumping "bible lovers" know nothing about the Bible
>>523936260Alright, so again - what is the gospel according to scripture? To me, John 3 exemplifies it best:>14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.In contrast, what you're saying is, to me:>Put trust in Jesus Christ alone, but don't forget that if you are not transformed into a sinlessly perfect creature, it means you were never saved to begin withI agree pretending that sin is just the way we are is lying to ourselves, but your stance reminds me of the following verse:Matthew 23>4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.Didn't Jesus say, quote:Matthew 11>28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
>>523936426All I said is what is in scriptureSaul rejected and disobeyed God multiple times, right up to the very end of his life, which he took himselfI wouldn't want to be judged for the things Saul did, and I try to be ever grateful that I do not have to be judged for the things I've done because of the grace and salvation of Christthe church represents itself, and as I've said, has always left the final judgement of all men up to Christ aloneMary's perpetual virginity comes from tradition, not specifically directly from the Gospel of James, that is merely the first text recording the traditionyou continue to argue for no reason and display a spirit of arrogance and insult may the Son of God Jesus Christ have mercy upon us sinners
>>523913819I thought you wanted patriarchy
>>523936554>go researchNo, I asked you - what books am I missing? If you did the research yourself, then surely it can't be hard, right?>inb4 I-I ain't s-spoonfeeding you!alright man lol
>>523935884It's not a personal interpretation, like I said, Paul believed it so much he taught how to act if you were one of the ones still alive when he returned. This is very straightforward stuff and doesn't require interpretation. Only when you must cope.
>>523936736you're putting words in my mouth and making up strawmen, anonyou just want to argue for no reasoneither reject sin and seek repentance whenever you fall short, or suffer the wages of sinonly the Holy Spirit can change a heart and mind
>>523913754yes, patriarchal power structures have caused immeasurable amount of suffering, abuse, chilldhood trauma and suburban alienation and that is why the left is correct, the entirety of the nu-metal / emo / grunge movement was about this topic. Somehow MAGAtard zoomers now think it was a perfect time
>>523936805Your response to Samuel saying Saul would "be with him" after he died was>"Samuel could have meant with him in death, or with him in the underworld/hades"You sound like the extreme end of the liberal Protestants you hate so much. If Samuel said "with him", he must have meant Abraham's Bosom because the rich man was not "with" Lazarus. You hate this subject and are willing to lie over it because it refutes your prideful rejection of Once Saved Always Saved.And name 1 Christian from the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd century that taught the "tradition" of the Ever Virginiry of Mary besides the pseudepigraphical "Gospel of James". What a joke.
>>523936965I asked genuine questions and you've adressed none of them. How is that not a copout on your part?
>>523936965Biblically, he can sin all day every day the just say the words "I REPENT", before committing his next sin 5 minutes later and so on. This is what Jesus teaches to us and how we should regard people who sin against us . So obviously this is his Mercy to us as well. Unless this point was that we are to be more merciful than him.>Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins [c]against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns [d]to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.” Luke 17:3-4
>>523934434>>523934434I know that pic is a meme but some retards actually believe this.
>>523937120>could have meantcould haveas in, I don't know because I am not Godyou really have a problem with that, huh?I already said that I hope that Saul is indeed in the kingdom of heavenI even feel the same way about Judas, to be honestI just don't know, and neither do youall of the apostles knew that Mary was set apart by Godif you actually care and aren't just arguing in bad faith, feel free to read thishttps://www.goarch.org/-/the-ever-virginity-of-the-mother-of-god
>>523937311i addressed them from my very first post and you are just making this>you have to be perfectly free from sin to be savedstrawman across multiple posts>>523937436God knows men's hearts, anons, we don'tyou are treating it like jewish legalism
>>523937586>could have meantOh, right. Because suddenly it's your personal conjecture about the verse, and we have multiple answers. No one knows! Well God sent the Holy Spirit to guide us into ALL Truth. Does that mean youre devoid of it? I think it does.And you didn't name 1 Christian from the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd centuries that taught the "tradition" of the Ever Virginity of Mary besides the pseudepigraphical "Gospel of James". Why is that?
>>523937810>God knows men's hearts, anons, we don't>you are treating it like jewish legalismYes but he didn't say anything about a heart or judging one's intentions when it's obvious that they're just bullshitting. His only stipulation was that they said the words repent. Obviously if someone is sinning against you seven times every day and just saying the word repent you know that he's full of shit. But Jesus taught that you must forgive him anyway. So I know you say that because it sounds more logical and reasonable, but that's not what Jesus actually taught. There's no excessive exploitation of legalism here. Everyone knows that somebody that's fucking with you several times a day has a heart that's okay with fucking with you.
>>523937810>>you have to be perfectly free from sin to be saved strawman across multiple postsThis means that I misunderstood what you were trying to say and a rephrasing, not dodging the topic, is in order. Please help me understand your point
>>523937840it isn't my personal conjectureit is the acceptance that only Christ holds judgement over men's soulsyou seem to have a real problem with thatare you implying that if you have the blessing of the Holy Spirit, you know all things?lmaothe answer to your second point is: all of themit was never a contested tradition until the reformationagain, you didn't read the link I posted because you don't actually care about truth, you just want to argue>>523937975we are to forgive because we are called to, simple as thatscripture also says not to be unequally yoked or even have fellowship with the unrighteous, which means not putting yourself in that position where you are just appeasing an unrighteous person who continually sins against you and just expects you to deal with it and forgive constantlyyou don't really seem to have a point here
>>523938103"once saved, always saved" is a heresy precisely because it means that salvation does not require turning from sin and repentanceyou just say a prayer and you're good foreverthat is not the teaching of the church or scripturalhttps://www.thegoodshepherd.org.au/blog/what-is-once-saved-always-savedhow about the parable of the sower?>Luke 8>4 And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8 But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded [e]a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”>9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”>10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the [f]mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that>‘Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.’>11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of [g]temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.[h]
>>523938263It is your personal conjecture because you offered 2 alternative interpretations, not just one. You're serving up a buffet of implausible alternative doctrines because you're hypocritically acting like the liberal Protestants you hate so much.>all the early Christians from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries taught the Ever Virginity of a MaryYou are a shameless liar. Look at you go. Satan is the Father of lies, buddy.
>>523935367Some russians in a religious cult from the 90s. Part of the cult was that the leader gets to fuck every man's wife. He was beating her because she was getting uppity about something and the leader needed to show that he won't put up with that shit.
>>523936970Based Kraut hitting them with the truth.
>>523913754uh ye somethng like that? he hasn't been relevant in years and kinda fell off after the race-mixing at his church and his blatant and misanthropic schizophrenia became more and more public-facing.the fact he allegedly beats his wife and children is just icing on the lolcow cake. Still, some respectable keks are to be had from his radical and unapologetic anti-faggotry and holocaust denial from the good ol' days.
>>523938494thanks>once saved, always saved" is a heresy precisely because it means that salvation does not require turning from sin and repentancehow is that not adding works unto grace?Romans 11>6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
>>523929048>pastor billybob from Arkansas has it all figured out, everyone else is wrong except my specific and niche brand of thingsThis is just a little unhinged. Why can’t people understand that paintings aren’t idols ffs? I’m not a Catholic. But paintings and honoring saints and holy figures is not idolatry. They’re not being worshiped, they’re being revered/honored, they’re based on prophets, saints and holy figures loved by God. An idol is something that is actually being worshiped as a god, which was a real issue among primitive people in ancient times.
>>523938575please show us where the church taught that Saul is for sure in heaven, without a doubtyou are the one that added "in Abraham's Bossom" to the verse where it is not therethe scripture makes it clear that God rejected Saul because of his disobedience, to the point of complete ruinall of the apostolic churches in good standing taught that Mary was set apart by Godshow us evidence that something else was taught by the apostles and their successorsalso, you completely ignored my point that the church accepts that true tradition and history can be contained in apocrypha, which is why Christ Himself quotes the book of Enoch even though it is not scripturethey also do not claim that those who do not believe this doctrine of perpetual virginity are not saved because - AGAIN - they do not make this claim about anyone everyour spirit is obvious, anon
>>523939140Again, since you seem to be suffering from Prelest or whatever:>Samuel says, "tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me">1 Samuel 28:19 KJVAAENow answer this simple question. It's Yes or No. Was the rich man "with" Lazarus?>show us evidence that something else was taught by the apostles and their successorsHey, genius, how remedial do you need this to be? You need me to explain to you who has the Burden of Proof? Are you 14 years old? You made the claim that "All the Christians from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries taught that Mary was Ever Virgin". Quote one or admit you lied.
>>523936542I'm literally not one thoughnot everyone who disagrees with you is a christcuck
>>523939126>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.It doesn't say "just don't worship the images", it says don't even make them. Can't you read? Oh wait, catholicucks don't read the Bible, they ask for their "fathers" to interpret it for them.
>>523913754>as it came out he beats his wife and kids severelyplease. Theocrats DGAF if you beat your wife.
>>523913754christcûcks gonna christcúck.Can we please get more of Andrew Torba variety of christians?
>>523940641>pic2 Thessalonians 3>10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
>>523938263>we are to forgive because we are called to, simple as that>scripture also says not to be unequally yoked or even have fellowship with the unrighteous, which means not putting yourself in that position where you are just appeasing an unrighteous person who continually sins against you and just expects you to deal with it and forgive constantly>you don't really seem to have a point hereYes, scripture says to not have a relationship with the unrighteous but also have a relationship with them. Which is what forgiveness is. The mending of a relationship. The Bible is contradictory.
>>523913819Jews have been trying to do this forever because he calls them out and tells the truth about the Bible, IE jews are the synagogue of satan.
>>523914543They very well could have just been saving face
>>523940979His best friend just said Jews are not the Synagogue of Satan.
>>523938263>which means not putting yourself in that position where you are just appeasing an unrighteous person who continually sins against you and just expects you to deal with it and forgive constantlyAlso, that's literally what Jesus taught to do in Luke 17 3-4. I know it's irrational, and doesn't make any sense, so you can't accept what it says so have to say something else that it doesn't say in order to make it work. But that's what it says. He strictly said if they say the word repent that means you forgive them. This would be overly legalistic, if it was just one instance of somebody sinning against you. But the fact that we're talking about somebody who is sinning against you several times a day every day, we know for a fact he is talking about a person who has an unrepentant heart who is just saying the word. Nobody sins against somebody else several times a day everyday and doesn't have a heart that's okay with that . It's just simple logic. No legalese. No twisting of scripture. It's just basic deduction of words on the page describing a situation we can make normative statements from.
>>523940006Too busy pulling the splinter out of your brothers eyes?So watching tv or having a family photo is also a graven image according to your strict interpretation? The rules were made because of people worshiping retarded idols. I’m not worried about going to Hell for having a painting because I know I’m not worshiping it. Are you?
>>523940898>The Bible is contradictory.It's really not, you're just not taking the time to understand what it says. What it talks about in this context is not to get married nor pal up with unbelievers. We are to forgive fellow Christians, but if someone makes it apparent they are not saved (meaning not believing in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice for our sins), Christians are to forgive the person if he asks for forgiveness but are free to distance themselves from him if he shows no signs of repentance (meaning turning into believing in Jesus Christ, ergo becoming Christian)
>>523941430And this is how it works. People like this just put their own rules in when they don't like something. They decide they know better than God and what he really meant was a way that's easier for them and better fits in their lives. If God said don't make graven images of things in heaven to worship them he would have said that. He said just don't make them. But this is what you guys do. Of course you can make logical statements why an author of a book back then would write something a certain way. That's probably correct. But if you're looking at this book as the word of god, and you're changing it around to assume things, then you can do that for anything.
>>523941598And here again we have someone inserting an idea that's not in the Bible to the bible. Simply because what the Bible actually says doesn't make any logical sense. Jesus didn't say anything about what your perception of the person was. He said if they commit sins against you several times a day every day but say the word repent, you are to forgive them . He didn't say anything about analyzing their heart first. That argument might hold water if it was just one instance of sinning against you and you forgiving them ( since we can Garner the context of the rest of the Bible to illustrate understanding one's heart first) , but obviously if someone is sinning against you everyday multiple times a day, it's not logically possible for them to have a repentant heart . So we know for a fact Jesus wasn't talking about the state of their heart. Just the word repent. And again, I know you can't accept this so you have to change what it actually says to something else and say that it's my fault.
>>523941685Have you posed images on this image board before? I’m pretty sure you have. So according to that guys interpretation that’s a graven image too. Wheres your discernment? That means every single person who had family photos or posters or some harmless cute image is committing some grave sin? I don’t think so. That’s not in line with God’s heart and mercy. Those rules exist because people were literally worshiping golden calf idols, burning children at Moloch statues ect. I’m not worried about it because I don’t worship idols.
>>523918666Always remember Billy Graham and the Billy Graham rule. Billy would never be alone anywhere, because where ever he went people tried to frame him. He'd send men ahead of him to check hotel rooms that had been booked for him, and they would drag out women hiding under the bed or in the wardrobe or bathroom who were going to accuse him of sexually assaulting them. This was a constant thing for him. If he was not so careful he would have been accused and it would be his word against theirs and it would have done immense damage. Thankfully he was smart and disciplined and foiled all of their plans.I am not saying Stephen Anderson never did anything wrong, I genuinely have no idea; but the devil absolutely can find people willing to lie to discredit a man who is trying to faithfully serve God. It could even include their children. Not saying that is so, I have no idea; just always keep in mind that the devil is a liar and many people do his evil bidding.
>>523917119>marital arts training.webmThis should be "display of subhumanity.webm" instead.
>>523941430>moving the goalpostI'm not bringing up your sins. The conversation was about catholicism being fake Christianity. The churches filled with idols and graven images, and pretty much everything else (unmarried priests, baby baptism, works salvation, nuns, pope, wafer, repentance of your sins, universal church structure, "Fathers", wrong Bible translations, praying to Mary and "saints", etc), should be a dead giveaway.The worst is truly just the works salvation (baptism, stop sinning, communion) which will lead you straight to hell.
>>523941908Family photos aren't images of things above or below. But that's okay, this is a commonly overlooked aspect of the command . It's just about images of things in heaven or hades/hell.
>>523941904>Jesus didn't say anything about what your perception of the person was. He did use the word "Brother". Is everyone automatically "Brother"?
>>523942428Depends on the context, because sometimes brother means a fellow man. But it's not relevant for this dynamic because weather somebody is claiming to be a Christian or isn't, the person is sinning against you many times every day. If he is a Christian, then it's just yet another contradiction that's such a person would be acceptable as a Christian according to the Bible.But the whole thing is simple. A person who is sinning against you seven times every day cannot logically have a repentant heart. Yet Jesus said to forgive him anyway of he says the word repent. He could have just said " if he repents ", and that would have helped your argument more, albeit just as illogical a statement. But he specifically states it as the word repent.
>>523939099Faith is the seed, works are the fruit. The ground is you. It's really not that complicated anon. Does the fruit come from the seed or the ground? But the seed needs fertile soil to grow. And what is the fruit? Repentance, because you're a new creature in Christ
>>523940006Saul says later it's actually fine to eat at pagan feasts.
>>523941598It literally contradicts itself constantly are you retarded?Quick who found Jesus after he resurrected?Was the tomb already open? Was it empty? Did they see Jesus there?Its constant.
>>523942671>contradictionwrong. Matthew 18>21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
>>523943340Well it's a contradiction if you look at other things like he who sins is of the devil. Or things like>“He that says, I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1John 2:4)But that's what happens when you have multiple writers trying to keep a story straight with different agendas at different times.
>>523927174this is a pretty thin connection to wife beating. the idea that you are supposed to take this verse and connect it to the verse saying you become one flesh and then derive that to mean you shouldn't beat your wife - which ancient jews definitely did - is tenuous at best.i'd presume if you weren't supposed to beat your wife someone would just say it out loud somewhere.
>>523943734What are Jesus' commandments?
>>523943941>What are Jesus' commandments?Logically you can argue it's anything God said since he's the word of God and God per John 1:1. But the writers likely just meant what he was teaching in his earthly ministry. Christians use both definitions when convenient.
Getting a little desperate are we?
>>523944065So you don't know. It's alrightMatthew 22>36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
>>523944262Well we can squabble over the things he commanded not actually being commands or not or we just go with the very first one in the ten commandments. If you love God then you're going to follow everything he tells you to do, not a la carte.
>>523944727>If you love God then you're going to follow everything he tells you to do, not a la carte.Of course. Everyone is going to fail at this though, because it's just Jesus Christ that was sinless. The thing we're talking about here is what actually gets you saved, and the thing is - it's not you becoming sinless. It's what Jesus Christ did for us; get saved, if you haven't alreadyJohn 3>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
watching religious people argue over their lore is fascinating. indistinguishable from a fandom from any media franchise
>>523945017>Everyone is going to fail at this though, because it's just Jesus Christ that was sinless.There's a vast difference between screwing up from time to time; having an advocate upon a broken and contrite heart, and sinning several times a day everyday. Or seventy times a day. This is a contradiction. Somebody who spends their days sinning all day is not keeping his Commandments. That's there's no truth in them, scripturally. But Jesus says it's fine anyway in other parts.
>>523945341Honestly, I think it's the only worthwhile thing debating on, even if it leads to nobody changing their minds kek
>>523945487I used to be a fundamentalist, and to change my mind through discourse overtime. Anybody truly seeking God through a book written religion will have to ultimately choose between cope or God.
>>523945436>This is a contradiction. Not at all. There's a clear difference between the sinner who believes he's saved through Jesus Christ's sacrifice for our sins (grace, biblical), and the sinner who believes he's saved through the deeds he believes will make up for their sins (works, not biblical). I recommend reading the Gospel according to John (King James Translation) to better understand it
He is literally never bigger kek
>>523945954Sure, the Bible says>“He that says, I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1John 2:4)Let's not get circular here about what Commandments are. Let's just focus on the first if it's contentious. Somebody throwing them in the trash multiple times a day isn't keeping them. This is objective. They can't possibly be repentant for doing so because it's not humanly possible. At best, their just saying a word. And Jesus at other times says this is perfectly fine. Even 70 times a day. That is a contradiction.
>>523913754Well, he is Jewish, so
>>523946135John 10>27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
>>523913819Right wingers are evil of course they abuse women and children he most likely raped them too
>>523946135Romans 8>38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
>>523913754he looks like Jack from LOST
Hmmm well don't forget those documentaries Pastor Anderson made about the Jews and when he visited Palestine and exposed how the Jews treat them like garbage, I'm sure someone was going to make an anti Pastor Anderson movie sooner or later.
>>523946279>>523946392Okay now explain how you think that counters what I said.
>>523947412interdasting, isn't it
>>523947665Sure. I believe where you're getting it wrong is at>They can't possibly be repentant for doing so because it's not humanly possible.Repentance means a change of mind. Only God knows when said change of mind "solidifies", so if he says to forgive a brother 70x7 times a day, I'd say you have no right to say >someone who has to ask 70x7 times a day for forgiveness is not saved
>>523947990>Repentance means a change of mind. Only God knows when said change of mind "solidifies", so if he says to forgive a brother 70x7 times a day, I'd say you have no right to saySure, but as logical beings we can make basic assessments like if somebody is violating you daily 70 times a day, they aren't interested in honoring you. It wouldn't take a supernatural ability to read a heart to conclude that.
>>523948217It's not 70 times a day though. It's 490 times a day (70*7). I believe God made the number big enough in this example for a reason
>>523913754NEW BAKEGET IN HERE>>523948022>>523948022>>523948022MOVEOVERNEW BAKE
>>523948486Seven times daily is enough to make the point so that doesn't really matter.
>>523948887If it really doesn't matter then why did Jesus take the time and space to make a point of 70 times 7 not mattering on top of that?
>>523949129Because the author felt it advantageous to relax the rules at the time. Probably a monetary motivation, has church membership was advantageous for pooling funds. As Illustrated earlier, this idea is completely opposite what the Bible says in other places. The point being that it's a contradiction.
>>523949385>Because [myopic headcanon]Thanks for playing I guess. I hope you'll get saved eventually. Good luck
>>523913819christfags like him would literally rape corpses and eat them raw afterward if they did not have their jew on a stick to scare them. They're completely appalling creatures, the horrible shit they do daily is actually their best side. Thats why they think they're the good guys even though everybody else hate them
>>523949582It's not my issue that you think it requires a supernatural ability to assess if somebody is interested in honoring you if they are violating you multiple times a day.
>>523928836Nope. If you're a born-again Christian, killing yourself wouldn't put you in hell. Suicide is a sin, yes. But not the unforgivable one.
>>523919486>news anchor: "I'm Jewish"Lmao
>>523949909You've just ignored Jesus Christ's word due to your internal headcanon you've called supernatural and think 7*7 is enough despite Jesus Christ saying it should at least be 70*7. This is no longer my problem. Good luck
>>523950550>Prot tard still in here being retarded instead of taking his gripes to the Church that surrounds him Fucking loser
>>523913754Guys, Guys... Stop arguing for a second and let me tell you about the gospel so you all can go to heaven as well! :)
>>523950599it's 2am. the door is locked. just because you have no argument does not mean you have to post
>>523950912Go to bed, loser You spent all Friday night on /pol/ shitting up the board with protestant garbage
>>523913754>Steven Anderson>his most recent tweet
>>523913754He has always been based
>>523951067>projectionlmao
>>523915716>started beating her regularlyBUTwas he wearing a wife-beater at the time?
>>523935127you’re not even using the right bible
>>523951450I left the tab open, I'm not sitting in this thread all night spamming stupid shit
