New Zeihan video just dropped. Firstly, the report that Reuters put is out is straight up CCP propaganda, it's highly highly likely to be fake, just another chinese psyop. 2ndly, even if it was true, it doesn't actually mean anything. It was directly reversed engineered and cobbled together via old ASML EUV parts, China didn't actually make anything themselves. They are still decades away from mass production of EUV. Let's look at the timeline as per Zeihan. As the report states, it will be 2030 before they can produce a single chip from it. A super shitty chip with lots of defects and horrible yields as the EUV machine is a 2ndhand piece of shit. It will take another decade after 2030 to improve the machine until it has the performance of ASML's current EUV machines. And every fabs needs like dozens of EUV machines, with hundreds of fabs needed to produce enough semiconductors for China's needs . Even with a viable EUV machine, China will need to build up the supply chain to mass produce the EUV to the tune of dozens a month to catch up to TSMC's output, which will take another 10-15 years. So add everything together and we're looking at another 25-30 years before China can mass produce 2nm chips. And of course, in the 2050s, ASML will be on next next gen lithography and TSMC will be on picometer nodes. China will always be decades behind. This is why Zeihan states that 7nm is actually a chinese L. Huawei produced 7nm in 2023 and they are still stuck on it. And they will be stuck on it for the next 25 years. 7nm is the last major node that China will ever produce. After all, there's the fact that China will 100% collapse by 2030 anyway, maybe even before their "EUV machine" can ever fab it's first wafer.
>>523967617Why does he hate China so much?Was he kicked out of 109 Chinese buffets?
He's talking about America isn't he. In a convoluted way
>>523967617>Huawei produced 7nm in 2023 and they are still stuck on it.Is this real? Intel is making 1.8nm chips now. Won't LBT just smuggle them the tech?
>>523967718he doesn't understand the monad
>>523967617>Huawei produced 7nm in 2023 and they are still stuck on it. And they will be stuck on it for the next 25 years. 7nm is the last major node that China will ever produce.
>>523967617>t was directly reversed engineered and cobbled together via old ASML EUV parts, China didn't actually make anything themselves.we know thatit is China afterallthe entire country is stolen industrythe enitre shithole should be tariffed to death
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>>523967617Every part of the EUV system was proved by 2005. It took another 15 years to get it into commercial routine mass production, first in Netherlands and later in Taiwan. The patents are nearly over LOL which is part of the reason why this is happening China wants to be a tool supplier.So. 10 years is possible. It shouldn't be as long though.
>>523968159>it is China afterallGermans aren't in a position to talk shit on the nation with the most advanced space station, first commercial maglevs, and first commercial fusion plants. They're pioneering multiple fields that there's no one else to steal from.
>everything good about china is lie>everything bad about china is true?
>>523968632>first in Netherlands and later in TaiwanThis is wrong, they are doing to completely differet things.Dutch figured out how to connect the legos and assembling the machine and its software.Taiwan figured out how to use the machine to bake cakees.>The patents are nearly over LOLIts has nothing to do with that. It legitimately took China 7 years to reinvent this wheel.
How many weeks until the 3 gorges dam collapses pedes?
>>523968083>And they will be stuck on it for the next 25 years.In 2021, you claimed it's impossible for China to achieve 7nm.actually your whole retard country launched this chip war in 2018, in the assumptin that Chinc couldn't figure out 7nm.Look where we are today, fool, your own Propaganda apparatus is pointing out they are a mere 3-5 years away from their own 5nnm chips.
>>523967933He wants mo’ nads
with the ram cartel colluding to restrict supply in the face of increased demand to further jack off price, and with nvida deciding to make less consumer cards to focus on ai customers, i look forward to the day i can make a gaming pc from chinese parts.
>>523967617When did he become an expert on microprocessors? It's so easy to grift Americans because they will believe anything if you say it with enough confidence even if you have no idea what you are talking about.
HE IS talking about America. The absolute nutcase. Go for it, my guy
>>523969568Nobody else even has this wheel. It is monopolized by one company in one country. If China figures it out it will be two countries with this capability.
>>523967718>Why does he hate China so much?He doesnt. Its his job to do lie and spread propaganda about China. Its your taxes paying for this. The question is why are you content with your taxes being spent on this old retard.
>>523970492>If China figures it outThey already did. asml no longer hold any political value.Pic related, it's your propagada apparatus admitting it lost the chips war.
>His videos are always outside because he’s hiking to the Three Gorges dam with his backpack nuke
>>523967617Peter Zion is just a kike losing his shit at the idea that WYPEEPO might ever defect to CHYNA to avoid kikes and their muttmerican rule over them. He appears unhinged in every one of his videos with zany kike eyes.
>>523967857Intel announced massproduction of 2nm two months ago, previously reyling on TSMC fabs in Asia. Amerimutts only this years started fabbing with the European importet machinery the Amerimutt regime had to politicaly intervene to block from being sold to Chinese fabs as well.SMIC has been massproducing 5nm for Huawei since at least last monthSMIC has been producing 7nm for Huawei since 2023Huawei fabbing chips on their own is a whole own storyWhats even the point of entertaining an Amerimutt state propaganda shills lies, spins or distortion of facts and timeline? The chips on the market wont magically go away, because of some YouTube video circlejerk
>>523970961>SMIC has been massproducing 5nm for Huawei since at least last monthThis one is uncertain.If it's using the old machines, they would be using twice as many exposure than 7nm, which would result in a lot of defects.If it's using new EUV machines, then it's just a test wafer, not a real product wafer, and it's still far away from "mass production", this means something else than tape out of test wafer.
>>523969568Thats what I said sort of. It took 15 years, the development moved and changed and eventually paid back (eventually)
>>523967617It's over
That retard has zero credibility, he came to my city in northern Mexico, paid by the govt obviously, and he said in a video that my city was the future! Total dishonest shill. You can't, in good conscience, minimize China's achievements while propping up a manufacturing shithole like Chihuahua.
>>523973355>It took 15 years, the development moved and changed and eventually paid back (eventually)This is not correct.During 2000~2017 era, China didn't think about making thier own microchip machines.Scratch that thought.During 2000~2017 era, China didn't think about making thier own microchips, let alone machines that produce them.So it didn't even occur to China they should research their own EUV.What actually happened was China was perfectly happy buying chips from intel/amd/qualcomm.They didn't need their own chip... they could just buy american chips and save hundreds of billions!That was the prevalent thought among Chinese bussiness leaders.THEN....Huawei thought of something cool:"what if we designed our own 7nm chips, taiwan can produce it for us"That's when the American hammer hit China in the head.All of China got banned from accessing tsmc.Then China scratched its head, and tried to build its own tscm.That's when America hammerered China in the head again and banned China from accessing asml.Only when this happened did the Chinese brain understand how evil the americans are.Timeline is 2018~2019, China finally understood they had to reinvent their own asml.It tool them 7 years to complete their EUV machine. You are now in the 2025 timeline.
>>523967617By the time they actually have EUV we will already be on BEUV.
>>523974907>By the time they actually have EUVIt's right now Mutt.You're not 20 years ahread of them.
>>523967718he's a professional boomer whisperer and that is part of the job description
>>523967617chinas lithography machines are decades behind asml.
>>523967617asml lithography machines are probably the most complex engineering feat in human existence. the chinese can't just put money into "lithogrophy machines" and expect y-outcome, it will take decades to be at current asml levels.
>>523967617I love mutt cope so god damn muchIt's already over for you , anti-White golems. Good fucking riddance. COPE AND SEETHE
>>523967617I'd respect him more if he just said I'm a Jew and I don't want you to realise Chinas success is because it is racially homogenous with a common goal of making China and it's people number one, much like national socialism.Anyway it's going to collapse in two more weeks.
>>523976669Decade is not even so long.
>>523976982to be at current asml tech.
>>523977005China completed their own EUV 2 weeks ago in 2024.Now they are calibrating the test wafers.
7nm is old. Nobody but jeets uses 7nm
>>523977355based on?
>>523967617This fucking guy... china will collapse in two weeks I'm sure. China has big problems for sure but the propaganda against them is about as believable as chinese propaganda about how great they are
>>523977853tsmcniggers tried to expand their mainland factory with EUV from asml. They wanted to exploit the cheap evergy costs in China.The chinest blocked the EUV shipment and told them to fuck off.That's how your masters in washington dc knows China is on the verge of self sufficiency. Their taiwan pet dog reported this incident to them, now all your glowniggers knows>>523970848But they forgot to brief you about the details I guess.
>>523967617Why not just build bigger? What's the need for everything to be so compact? Who cares if it is like 3 or 4 times the volume? Apologies for my ignorance.
>>5239773812 WEEKS!!! 2 !!! 2 ! 2.
>>523978593>>523977381TWO WEEKS!!! TWO !!! TWO ! TWO .
>>523978512Smartphones and laptops care about those things.Cars don't car, the car factory thinks like you.Cruise missiles also don't care.Refridgerators also don't care.Datacenters cares to some degree, but you can save billions over time if your datacenters are smaller.Usa mainly wanted to kill China's smartphone manufacturers.
>>523967617>Firstly, the report that Reuters put is out is straight up CCP propaganda, it's highly highly likely to be fake, just another chinese psyop.Wow anon, you really make me likely to believe you when you immediately follow that opening statement with: >2ndly, even if it was true, it doesn't actually mean anything.Also stop using some pathetic meme flag and be proud of where you come from you absolute wanker.
>>523978655I see. I thought this was about AI chips.
>>523978679nothing to be proud of in britain
>>523978721The real villain is Tim Cook.He picked the fight with huawei,Daddy Usa backed little Timmy, but Daddy Usa ended up losing Chip war,and losing the Trade war,and losing the Ukrane war.
