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They're not the same person.

Yeah it's almost like the bible is a piece of fiction that doesn't make sense when you spend more than 10 seconds thinking about the things you just read in it.

God is nothing. So you need Jesus to look at and talk to while praying. It's just that simple

The holy Ghost is the real manifestation of God. Anomalies that exist irl

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>>523968991
>Am I wrong? Can someone please explain to me why I'm wrong without relying on "Muh nicean counsel", muh pope declared this.
get down to here after I read and you're just a goddamned jew.

why would you pray to a dead circumcised rabbi?

>>523969135
Shut up toothpaste

>>523969135
and the other JIDF asshole shows up.

>>523968991
Capeshit

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>>523968991
/thread

>>523968991
Jesus has two natures within his person: divine nature and human nature. Praying properly as a human to God probably comes from him being human too, as it is part of the human nature to have a relation to God aka be religious, and is also done in order to set an example to follow for the rest of us.

>>523968991
consider that jesus is the only aspect of god that we have interacted with

meaning, jesus is the god of the old testament

john 1:18
>No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

there is a father in heaven, but we have only ever dealt with the son and the spirit

>>523969110
I just don't get it. I believe God the Father is and always had been.
I believe Jesus is divine. But I don't believe he is literally God in the flesh. Why would Jesus pray to God if they were the same person?
And most importantly I just don't recall were Jesus, HIMSELF, says I am God, I am God in the Flesh. I am the guy who created Heaven, Earth, Hell, Angels, Man. I told Moses this, I told Ezekial that. I'm inside a mortal body until I die.

It just doesn't make sense, and the Bible just really doesn't seem to harp on it. I'm not saying the Bible is fake. The wonderful part of the New Testament is its VERY grounded and humble and logical. I just don't see how around 325 because of a bunch of Romans that everyone came to the conclusion that God is some "essance" like water that takes 3 forms, 3 forms that have always been and will always be.

I can get behind the idea of Jesus being the word made flesh, and as the mouth piece of God for 30-40 years, living with man, truly understanding man's plight by living among them in as a mortal. But just Jesus never seemed to pray to himself or refer to God as himself, other than in John with "I and the Father are one" which seems far more likely as "I and the Father agree with each other, we work in tandem, what I say is the Will of God"

>>523969290
>>523969311
That makes no fucking sense.

>>523969311
So how is that not three gods? If there's a god in heaven that hasn't been interacted with and two gods that have been, there's something true about certain gods which isn't true about one of them.

>>523969505
It's designed to bridge three things, 2 of which don't make sense, and link them together. So only Jesus makes sense.

And yes, reality Doesn't Make Sense. The holy Spirit is raw chaotic reality

>>523969505
>>523968991
if you are monotheistic, "there is only one true God", then what do you mean exactly by believing that "Jesus is divine" and him being the Logos made flesh? Either he is divine or he is creature, it can't be both.

>>523968991
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!

>>523969699
You can say Angels are divine, and they are not God.

>>523969666
it would be that the father is too grand for us to even contemplate, the absolute sovereign of creation that sits at the highest peak of his creation, the most high

but jesus and the holy spirit would be his way of interacting with us without leaving his highest seat

it would be like the king dressing up as a poor man so he could walk around the city but in an 11 dimensional world where he is still sitting on his throne

>>523969827
So it was father that died on cross?

>>523969730
but in the case of Jesus what do you believe exactly? That he is the angel Michael incarnated, like Jehowa Witnesses do?
This is the part when unitarianism loses appeal to me. Because it is clear that Jesus is not a mere prophet, but they don't disclose exactly what makes him special among other creatures if He isn't God.

>>523969713
>there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
Wrong. God is real, Jesus existed and He still does exist, as He is in the Kingdom of Heaven with God the Father. Jesus loves you, and He died for you.

>>523969882
No, it was the Son: the Second Person of the Trinity, who was incarnated as a man.

>>523969933
So a god died on the cross and two that didn't. How is that not 3 gods?

>>523969666
If you must know, Satan, it is the person's in one the way the Sun rises and it is a heavenly body, but it would burn you to nothing if you stayed too close... But the sun that is too powerful for a sinner to bear cats down it's light upon us, brighter than any other light we could contrive, and furthermore, its warmth that brings life to everything it touches. There: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the Way to the Father. Nobody gets to the Father but through Him. God so loved the world that He condescended to take on flesh, to demonstrate in terms that humanity could fathom just what Holiness truly is. He took on death in order to experience every single aspect of humanity - from beginning to end. Everywhere he went, in life, and even in death on the 2nd day of His crucifixion, he brought His Gospel, His Good News, that death is overcome, and humanity can ascend to heaven, as adoptive sons, and inherit the Kingdom of God. This is the truth, and I say this with all love and respect. Without a human face, God would be so far beyond us there is no way we could know Him. The words of a prophet are a drop in the ocean of divinity, but the Son of The Humble God who loves His creation is a different order of magnitude.

>>523969505
>why would he pray to God if they were the same person
Theyre. Not. The. Same. Person.
you're a mormon, thus not a christian.
until you get that out of your head that they're the same person, you're not going to "get it".

>>523968991
> But I don't believe in a "Godhead"
You’re making the classic mistake of arguing semantics over ways to describe things that aren’t explicitly stated in the Bible. Jesus and the Father are fully God but they are seperate persons.

>>523968991
read Enoch they literally spell this shit out to a T

>>523969948
the Second Person died because he partakes with human nature, which is mortal, and he was killed. This doesn't affect God as a Trinity

>>523968991
Of the same Substance, but not the same.

>>523969713
Great is the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and great is His mercy.

>>523969953
That doesn't answer how that's one God and not 3. There are certain things true about the individual gods that's not true about the others. Calling me names doesn't change the question.

>>523968991
>Trinity does not make sense
Ok anon I'll give you a simple analogy

>Grab glass
>Go to ocean
>Take glass of water from the ocean
>Ocean is still ocean
>Glass of water is still ocean
>Water in glass Is separate from the ocean but still the ocean
>Our glass back into ocean
>Your glass of ocean is now in the ocean somewhere they are the same, but they are different but indistinguishable
>Extrapolate idea out to a triad

Funny enough Star Trek also did a good job with helping people understand the idea of being separate but not with the changelings.

>>523969882
god died on the cross, yes, but it was the son not the father

>>523969311
Enoch was an early man and literally went to heaven for the grand tour and interacted with everyone

>>523969948
God conquered death on the cross. He died in all senses relative to a human being, but He didn’t die in the way we would die into a hopeless situation. He immediately transcended death and made it obsolete.

>>523970028
Saying second person doesn't change the fact that there is 3 gods
>Jesus fully god
>father fully god
>spirit fully god
How many fully gods do we have?

>>523970097
One God, which in your culture is described with the name Allah

Jesus has a perfect body as he never sinned.

God is omniscient.

The holy Spirit is real.

Mary changed baby Jesus diapers and taught him how to speak.

>>523969827
>king dressing up as a poor man so he could walk around the city
See I understand and get that. And to a very great extent I belive that is/was the purpose of Christ's first visit. BUT why is the idea of Jesus as a Demi-God, which by definition he should be, and not God who I believe is only the Father, the creator, the watcher, the begettor need to be Jesus.
You have to remember that Jesus multiple times said that his miracles are not from his own power. That these miracles only happen by his faith in God (the father), by the will (the holy spirit) of God (the father) working through Jesus (the Son), and by the faith the people have that Jesus is the Messiah, that Jesus is divine, that God will fulfill this miracle.

Why is the Idea of God is only the Father, Jesus is only his son (a demi-god who carries out the will of his father) and that the Holy Spirit (which seems to be sort of the will of God) bad yet completely logical which at one point was called Arianism, bad and declared heretical and the Church and thereby all non-weirdo "Christian" faiths must believe in this illogical 3 entity being that has no real form but is only and "Essence" that takes three forms?

>>523970133
The One God and the only God aka Allah according to us is father. Not the trinity. But the question is how is the trinity one God but not 3

>>523968991
Because it's an old story you inherited for muh feelings. Just subscribe to something or not. Every one of these tall tail have no refunds.

>>523970048
God has a multiplicity of names and natures. The ones you are most familiar with are Love and Mercy, but He’s fully capable of any characteristics in any form. The emphasis of certain characteristics upon a person of the “trinity” is largely confirmation bias. If you study the entire scripture, God is very consistent throughout His interactions of which there are hundreds if not thousands of interactions. Generally what you can take from God’s nature is that He’s quiet. Until you understand that God speaks through silence you will stumble yourself. He can be like a quiet mist or a rushing waterfall.

>>523970048
You got 666 in your get and I was being facetious. Calm down. One God who does as He pleases, whatever He wills. He willed to come down from heaven as part of His great plan. He even willed for your skepticism. Who can say how great is God? He does as He pleases. Whether you agree or not, His will be done. If you refuse to understand how the man who is your father, himself is also a son, and also a husband - 3 persons in 1.

>>523969920
Meds

>>523968991
The holy spirit is like or is prana aka aether. Every culture had a name for it. In Hawaiian it was called mana interestingly

>>523969713
>HOURLY bot
Threadly reminder this bot's creator was defending an "anon" that posted actual CP

It is jewish and it deserves to be skinned alive

>>523970174
Is the sky separate from your lungs

>>523968991
You are trying to approach religion rationally.
Unless you want to drift into Atheism, I'd stop that.
Religion is mystical in nature.
It's more about what you feel and know in your heart, than what you think and know in your head.

A true statement does not have to be literally true, if it has a deeper meaning that points to a more profound metaphorical truth.

Religion doesn't make literal sense.
Because it was not designed to make literal sense.

You have encountered a challenge.
A Koan of sorts.
A piece of indigestible mysticism.

Study it.
What does it REALLY mean, if it cannot be literally true in a physical sense?

If not, just be a deist.
Nothing wrong with being a deist; your founding fathers were all deists.

Me?
I worship the elements and my own ancestors, because I am a rock-fucking savage living on his own native soil.

My ancestors just happen to have been Christian for the last thousand years, which necessitates an understanding and appreciation for Christian intellectual traditions.

>>523970183
once in Heaven we may understand this mystery of God, not down here

>>523970291
genesis, enoch, and more act more like historical texts telling us about the exact origin story and context for humanity itself

>>523970183
he's the same, just as in your quran
not much of a reader I take it?
https://myislam.org/surah-taubah/ayat-31/

>>523970203
I have no idea what that has to do with what I asked. The question is just simply that if there are 3 entities or persons or however you want to label them, all of them are distinct, some things are true about certain ones but not about others, then how is that one God but not 3? Since each of them is a god, you would count 3 gods.

>>523970212
>If you refuse to understand how the man who is your father, himself is also a son, and also a husband - 3 persons in 1.
In your example that's still just one person in 3 different roles. So did the father take on flesh and die on a cross?

>>523969911
No no no.
I believe that Mary through immaculate conception gave birth to a literal and the world's only Demi-God, Jesus Christ. I literally believe that if Jesus took a paternity test, and that if God has DNA or whatever, it would say that Mary is Jesus' biological mother and God is Jesus' biological son.
I believe that as a demi-God, as part of the literal living God (The Father) Jesus has the utmost divinity a human ever had. And because of his transubstantiation, and because he carries out the will of God, and because he speaks with God, he is divine.

>>523970174
a demi-god is a greek invention that says the person is 'part' god and 'part' man

the christian idea of jesus as god is that he is 100% god and 100% man, he is not half man and half god

its a completly different concept from demi-god

and it is a paradox, meaning its not logical as someone cant be fully one thing and fully another

its why the idea of jesus blew the greek philosophers minds when paul preached it to them

colossians 2:8-9
>Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

>For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

>>523970388
a demigod begotten implies the god having enough of a physical body in order to literally reproduce, like Zeus and others, which spins away from monotheism.

>>523970356
3 points is one triangle. 1

Words make no difference. Saying 3 is 3 means nothingm

>>523969973
I'm not a fucking mormon. I was raised Protestant. I consider myself fiercely Protestant and very anti-catholic. Its just this one part, that seems so illogical yet is accepted and declared a main belief in contrast to a more logical and in my opinion backed Biblically belief that God is the Father, who begat a Divine, Holy and Righteous Son who is a demi-God (Half God, the same way I am Half my Mom and Half my Dad) who worked and spoke in tandem with his Heavenly Father.

>>523970534
3 points are parts of the one triangle, not the triangle itself. Are Jesus, father and spirit parts of god?

>>523970174
>You have to remember that Jesus multiple times said that his miracles are not from his own power
He never said that
>That these miracles only happen by his faith in God (the father),
No, they happen via faith in God (The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit)

>>523970563
Well,then who cares about the three points. Care about the triangle

>>523970563
is the holy spirit, the one who impregnated Mary in the quran, one with your allah, or a separate creator?
the spirit is either one with allah, or, you have 2 different creators.
see the problem you're running into whilst saying the trinity doesn't make sense?

>>523970598
That's your example but it doesn't make sense. Because the points aren't individually fully triangle but the persons are individually fully god.

>>523968991
You’re confused because you’re operating from within the exoteric framework of the religion while trying to make sense out of the esoteric one.

There’s a trinity in every model of mysticism around the world, the most neutral way you can describe it is with -1 , 0 , +1. They form a triangle with 0 at the top, the 0 represents “God”, a singularity that’s nothing and contains everything in its potential form. When split into two you have something and the lack of something (+1, -1). This separation is needed because we only perceive things through contrast.

If you apply the most fundamental axiom of hermeticism to the triangle formed by the trinity, you get a second, inverted triangle, you end up with an hourglass figure with a 0 at its center. If you twist this shape due to the opposing forces on each angle it’ll form a toroidal field, the “shape of creation”

>>523970548
why are you so hung up on Jesus being half man half God like some Greek pagan story?

He is an aspect of God and part of his infinite plan as the Elect One. Was born of the virgin Mary and became man (was physically on earth as a real person)

>>523969995
It makes no sense. If you wanna say fully divine, thats fine. But when people say Fully God, then you're making God an intangible essence that takes form. You're making God a formless being who takes shapes who is lacking in true personhood.
I believe that God is ONLY the Father. That the God of Abraham, the God of Adam, the creator of existence and Earth was the Father. That before everything there was ONLY the Father. That God is a person. That he has a form and shaped man out of dirt shaped into a form that resembled himself.
And that when people just get that feeling and do God's will without LITERALLY talking to him and hearing his voice, thats the Holy Spirit.
And that until 0AD Jesus did not exist. BUT because every word out of his mouth is the Will of God and his knowledge comes from God, that Jesus is essentially the Word made flesh.

>>523970647
Of course it doesn't make sense

>>523970066
I get that. And I hate that. That make God and essence and removes his personhood.

>>523970400
>and it is a paradox, meaning its not logical as someone cant be fully one thing and fully another
It's perfectly logical
A statue can be fully marble and also fully statue
No part of it is not marble
No part of it is not a statue
100% of it it is 100% of both

Thus X can be fully Y and fully Z at the same time. There is nothing inherently illogical about it.

>>523970637
How is that related to the trinity in any way but I'll answer since you seem to want to flip the script on me without realizing that your example fails. If you simply open the Quran then you'll see there's no creation going on by the spirit, only a messenger to carry the spirit of Jesus to Mary.

˹There is˺ also ˹the example of˺ Mary, the daughter of ’Imrân, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her ˹womb˺ through Our angel ˹Gabriel˺. She testified to the words of her Lord and His Scriptures, and was one of the ˹sincerely˺ devout. 66:12

Secondly just because someone creates life doesn't mean they themselves created life or are God. It is just the one God that did it and they were the vehicle for creation. For example Moses made the staff into snake. Is Moses now god?

>>523968991
christianity is an intellectual religion, not spiritual. Thats why monks have been debating for centuries on all of those things. Its just circlejerk of retards playing logical games with words. Since some things dont make logical sense, thats the otherworldly aspect of it. If it made complete sense it would be too terrenal, too scientific. White men brains dont change with society. Men like Aquinas would may be building rockets or computers, but back then thats where the big brains were.
You will never make sense of it thats why it requires faith. Faith in illogical thought processes. Basically a huge trust me bro. You choose to believe this, because the alternative scares you

>>523970826
> Men like Aquinas would may be building rockets or computers if he was alive today

>>523970816
so allah used a partner? and moses did none of that. god the father did, the you say is silly.
so, do you have 2 creators, or is the holy spirit 1 with your allah?
either way, allah committed shirk on himself.
see the problem if allah is "1". there's no way around it.

>>523970739
so the eternal Word, as you believe that Jesus is the Word made flesh, did not exist before 0 AD?
"Before Abraham was, I Am" (Jn 8:58).
He uses a godname here from "I Am who I Am...tell the sons of Israel, 'I Am has sent me to you'" (Ex 3:14).

>>523970739
This is where the ancient Israelites had the advantage

Their priests could commune directly to God because those that failed, died. It was an incredible feat they managed.

Jesus intervened so that communicating with God didn't become such a high level skill. But some clarity was lost, I think

>>523970826
what about christians who roll around the floor and speak in tongues. is that logical or spiritual?

>>523970948
I just told you that it wasn't a partner just a messenger carrying the spirit. The spirit did zero creating.

Now how is the trinity one God?

>>523970790
God is an essence, and generator of the existence of everything else, who still has personhood as 3 people

>>523970966
Religion is a fire.

>>523971002
allah is nowhere in that verse, yet the spirit is the one creating. so is that 2 gods? or is the spirit one with your allah?

>>523968991
We need a religion board.

>>523968991
It was explained to me like this:
A person is a body and a soul
A statue is a body with no soul (though some have SOVL)
God is a singular being with three essences, like souls.
If one were in physical reality and dwelling in a human body, He would be embodied but no less divine for that. To fully take on the human experience, He would have to live entirely in the mundane world, but that does not change His spirit.

It's confusing. That explained it well enough to me. It also helps I was a big HP Lovecraft fan. Lovecraft basically took the supernatural and made it fit into a materialist worldview. Kind of an anti Christianity

>>523971043
>WE
>through OUR angel
Still have yet to understand how the trinity is one God

>>523970291
Christianity CAN be approached Rationally. Like I said, almost all of the new testament is completely rational, logical and can be explained. The only leap of faith is A Leap Of Faith.
Christ's teachings are logically sound. There's no bullshit in them.
I don't see how believing One God the Father, the Creator, Jesus the Half God son, and the Holy Spirit the will of God and God working through you is heretical and was swept to the side to the illogical, non-personhood, God is an essence belief of a Godhead.

it's all fruity make believe nonsense

>>523970966
The written word, a source of "truth" makes it non spiritual. It completely sends it to intellectual domain, along with every other science and philosophy known to man. Religion was always symbolic and mostly about feel not thinking. Symbolism went way down under christianity, because its idol worship, and it all became just words, nothing to percieve beyond it

>>523971046
It is /x/ but it's mostly gnostics, christianity haters, some satanists and unironic trannies

The final word is that it's Dogma.

A is the first letter. B is the second. C is the third.

These three are one. We build up from there.


Now, I see the basic longing behind this thread. How can I become one with God, my heart is lonely. That's what all the pain and complaint is. The Father must stand alone, but I wish he was in me.

Jesus is quite a lucky fellow

>>523970532
No it doesn't. I believe there is only one God. That he is the only deity.

>>523971104
>we
you can't answer the question? is the spirit one with allah then, as in a duality?
or do you have 2 different creators?(remember allah is nowhere in that verse).
see how easy this is?

Jesus is quite a lucky fellow isn't he

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>>523968991
you are overthinking it, its about how you relate to others, not whether you can reconcile 100 different theological points

>>523971205
No we refers to Allah. It's how certain languages work. Same as in my language we can mean me, it's a royal usage. And since it is Allah speaking who do you think that we is referring to?

How is trinity one God?

>>523968991
google Arianism
that's what you're describing
it was one of the first "heresies" they crushed

>>523971109
christianity is the rational religion , because the jew mind spawned it . Jews are very logical and rational people , as i said there is nothing spiritual about all this stuff, its all pretense. Behind it its all very cold and calculating. They make good psychologists and spies and such for all these reasons too. Any field that doesnt need emotion (like a bank taking your house)

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I used to be a christian, I even had a personal encounter with Jesus. When the covid 19 vaccine came God showed me it was the mark of the beast. I started to drift away from God and eventually I recieved the mark of the beast/vaccine without taking it. The last word the Holy Spirit yelled to me was "SHEDDING". So you can get marked/vaxxed without taking the vaccine, just hug a couple of vaxxies and get their shedding into your system and you will be HELLBOUND like me.

>>523968991
>Holy Spirit
it's not hard to understand, it's the breath of life that is inside of you, the collective sentience.

>>523971298
Actually you misheard him, he said SHIDDING like the meme

>>523968991
Here's an easy way to understand Christianity. The Hebrews hated Rome. Jews wanted to overthrow it directly. Christians wanted to overthrow it indirectly. If you are Roman, you have to hate both of these Hebrew cults.

>>523971276
we is multiple, as in gibreel, Jesus, and allah.
when you can figure out that aspect of your book, you will clearly understand the trinity.
so is the creator gibreel a separate creator, or is he one with allah?

>>523971413
thats how you understand consequence. The way to understand it is understand what the jews were thinking when they created it, how they even knew the deep effects it would have long term and how to manipulate psychology on such a deep level , and that was 2k years ago for a bunch of rich alexandrian jew sects

>>523970672
>There’s a trinity in every model of mysticism around the world
I don't give a shit about the rest of the world. The rest of the world is wrong, and the Christians are right. I don't care about this "three trianagles make a single triangle" hippy dippy shit.
The new testament is logical and makes sense. But this seemingly non-bibilcally based belief in a Godhead that a bunch of Romans declared is the truth in 325-328, and later 350 something is now the only truth and the logical God is the father, he had a son, the son works for the father, and the Holy Spirit is the Will of God, so its not so much apart from God and more his divine power working through you and talking to you being heresy that only the Unitarians believe makes no sense.
And the Unitarians are weird. They believe ONLY in Soul Sleep. Half their churches are Universalist, so they let Jews and Muslims and Buddhists in and think liberal shit like "Hurr everyone is right"

And then even the name Unitarism sucks too.

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>>523968991
Angels and demons are higher dimensional entities. As in 6+ dimensional. When they appear, you're seeing a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of their being in the same way a sentient 2D circle would perceive you if you got down on its level. It would lose its mind in fear and confusion. We're 3d and +1 for time which we can only perceive but not interact with, Angels are 6+ and God is all of them. Consequently the description of Their triune nature is probably the best illustration language is capable of in describing something that is wholly and completely outside the reach of comprehension, science, much less the scope of description. When you encounter "contradictions" in the Bible/theology, or just processing it in general, you have to keep in mind that you're using cross-dimensional technology and as with all tech, it's going to be inherently limited by the user's level of comprehension or in this case, fundamental dimensional limits

>>523971350
That's fake and you know it. The holy Spirit are real life anomolies in your surroundings

>>523971436
We here doesn't mean multiple it means singular. Sometimes people here even say we when talking about themselves. Are they also a plurality? Quran isn't in English so maybe it is hard for you to understand. The Quran explicitly rejects the trinity

The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. 4:171

>>523971476
Any normie can come up with that concept. That's nothing

>>523971559
>>Kiss

>>523968991
>more filthy fucking pagans
You lost me, jew

>>523971487
you can join the JW or mormons

>>523971476
It wasn't the Jews. One group of Hebrews wanted the Romans out and militarily defeated. Those are the Jews. Another group of Hebrews wanted to subvert and humiliate Rome. Those are the Christians. Jews are sadists and Christians are masochists. Both are Hebrews.

>>523970685
Because thats what he is. I don't give a shit about the fucking greeks and romans and their pretension stories.
I mean the literal definition of a demi-god. Half man, Half God. Except unlike those filthy pagans, our God is real and there is only one of them.
And thats another thing, this whole 3 in one thing seems paganish too. A lot less paginish than the catholic prayers for the intercession of saints bullshit, but still seems paganish.

>>523971527
you don't read read or write arabic so that's out. you typing a wall of text doesn't change what the quran says, and when you answer, you'll understand everything you wanted to know about the trinity.
is the spirit ONE with allah, or is he a separate creator?

>>523970964
Would you stop fucking

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>>523971599
Demi God is just a 2 part trinity then ha ha, a duo.

OP is probably a well-poisoning jew and/or bot

In all its lengthy replies it has only produced two short lines of greentext and they were just fairly pointless half quotes of anons that it bloviated about
That is a pattern very common among kike posters
kikes think goyim are cattle thus kikes inherently cannot project a theory of mind onto us, which is necessary for most greentext because greentext is almost always an abstraction of what the reader is thinking with a reflexive relationship to the greentext itself (funniest /pol/ greentexts often start with "be me" etc")

As a result, kike posting style often ends up being a lecture format with basically zero greentext. Any greentext is just mimicry

It also completely avoided my post when I challenged it on an error it made despite clearly having no problem wasting hours and bloviating on and on over just half of someone's sentence.
It's a kike and thus it inherently believes it can never be wrong in front of a goy, so it just ignores my post.

In summary, OP is definitely a well-poisoning jew

>>523971640
I do read and write in Arabic as a matter of fact. I have a few arabic only Qurans. Depends on what you mean with one with Allah. One with Allah in purpose? Yes. In essence? No.

Now how is trinity 1 god?

>>523971695
Without reality, the third element, it's kind of sad, no?

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>>523971527
well here, allah is mad that they didn't take allah AND the Messiah as god.
weird, book no?

>>523970957
I believe Jesus is the word made flesh metaphorically.
The same way a crazy destructive person you would say is chaos in the flesh, chaos given form.
Jesus has all or at least most of the knowledge of God. He spoke the Will of God. He preached in God's name. In that way he is the Word made flesh. He is/was for his mortal life, God's mouthpiece.

>>523971710
you don't. using arabic letters does not an Arabic quran make.

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>>523968991
>i worship a jewish child trafficker

>>523971745
>>523971746
Posted at the same time, to the very second . Quite an anomoly

>>523968991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYIBb5SDybg&t=1962s

>>523968991
I belong to the “Nestorian” Church so I don’t have to deal with this problem.

>>523970826
>>523970854
LUL, two "white people" arguing with each other.

>>523970966
Yeah if they aren't faking it and are really receiving divine intervention/communication.

You can really see how faith without works is dead

>>523971599
>Half man, Half God.
Jesus was fully man and fully God you well poisoning jew

>>523971746
Yeah they took the rabbis and monks as god, same as they did with the messiah. Not that the messiah himself is god as well.

How is trinity 1 god?

>>523971009
Thats feng shui bullshit. God is a person. He has a body and Adam was sculpted from dirt to resemble it.

Take this Bruce Lee "God is like water, it can take many forms" shit out of here.

>>523971746
Amazing reading comprehension, it says christians worship their rabbis/saints and jesus christ. In Islam intercession through jesus or saints & veneration of saints, turning graveyards into temples is considered idol worship,

>>523971945
It's a fair prayer, and would be honorable to keep that question close and raise it to God daily

>>523971945
kek no, lad. that's not what it says. should I put it up again? we can do this all night.
the took their monks and rabbis as lords, instead of allah and the Messiah son of Mary.
see how you have to commit bidaa to make sense of this verse?
so, Jesus is beside allah in this verse, right where allah put him :)

>>523971953
>God is a person
God is 3 persons you well poisoning jew

The Jews understood that Jesus was talking about himself as God in verses like John 8,58 and that's why they got angry and killed Him. That kind of answer wouldn't be understood by foreigners and that's why Pilate didn't get why they were making a big issue out of him

>>523969135
It takes less than 5 seconds to know that evolution is bullshit and it takes an hour into an acid trip to know that spirit exists. The fairy tales were real, gg.

>>523971976
kek changing your allahs words around?? haram bidaa.

>>523971953
God is 3 persons
>He has a body
a physical body with matter as Zeus and others? That's what mormons believe

>>523971089
God knows all and see's all. He never needed the human experience to understand man. He knows his creation.

>HP Lovecraft fan
Completely disregarded. HP Lovecraft sucked. Pessimism is shit writing. And writing more than one story where the ending is "I COULD NOT FATHOM, AND THEREFORE I WENT MAAAAAAD!" is fucking hackey and lazy.

>>523971297
Ah shut the hell up you fucking nigger.

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>>523969144
Read St Athanasius the Great: On the Incarnation of the Logos
https://www.elpenor.org/athanasius/incarnation-word.asp?pg=15

>>523971953
If He has a body it's not Him and just some earthly desire instead. But don't forget that air is an earthly desire too

>>523972042
That's not what bidah means by the way but cute attempt. You can understand the meaning how you want but you fall into Jesus not being god when you also read the bible. The fact is that languages don't work the same in as English does. My language also operates the same way as it does in Arabic and we can say the same sentence and it would mean what I am saying it means.

Still gave

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>>523971183
You're a faggot and need to leave.

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>>523972101
>For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to sympathize and understand our weaknesses and temptations, but One who has been tempted [knowing exactly how it feels to be human] in every respect as we are, yet without [committing any] sin.

>>523971945
so is the spirit 1 with allah, or is gibreel a separate creator aside from allah?
it's either 1 or the other. very simple question. very simple andwer

>>523968991
>believing in kike fairytales
>am i taking crazy pills
You are, yes.

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The Son of God Jesus Christ The Righteous is God

The I AM, The Father is God

The Holy Spirit is God

And these 3 separate agree as 1

>>523972203
The demon is out. Ready to confess and banish this one?

>>523972078
The Qur'an predates your irrelevant pagan denominations, that is the cold hard truth. And yet it doesn't fail to call out every single heresies invented by christians

>>523971281
I know that thats what the "Arians" believe. How the fuck is that not only "heretical" but not the main belief. It makes fucking sense and it seems much more biblically backed than the fruity hippy dippy God is an essence that takes forms shit.

By that logic, anyone could come along and say its the "quad" and say God is math as well.
The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit
And the truth of Math.
Or some other The essence of God takes many forms shit.

>>523972207
Gabriel is not a creator and a separate entity, only a messenger. Basically just a delivery guy.

Is Moses a creator since he created snake from staff? Do we now have quadrinity?

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>>523972311
the talmud predates your quran, lad.

>>523970739
>It makes no sense.
What does?
>If you wanna say fully divine, thats fine.
God is always fully divine.
>But when people say Fully God, then you're making God an intangible essence that takes form.
God IS an intangible essence. Do you know the whole nature and form of God?
>You're making God a formless being
No, we’re referencing His known forms and taking His word for it when He says this is who I say I am.
>who takes shapes who is lacking in true personhood.
God has three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In this relationship He’s fully completely and not lacking anything. He doesn’t even need YOU or ME.
>I believe that God is ONLY the Father.
Then you don’t know the whole character of God as has been revealed to us
>That the God of Abraham
Well if you believe in the God of an Abraham you know that Jesus referenced the “faith of Abraham” as a requirement for salvation, because Abraham foresaw the Messiah.
> the God of Adam, the creator of existence and Earth was the Father.
Yes and? The story didn’t end there.
>That before everything there was ONLY the Father.
That’s Biblically false because the Father, Son and Spirit have always existed.
>That God is a person.
God is three persons in one.

>>523971497
Shut up

>>523972414
>That he has a form
He can take a form, yes. Any form he desires from a burning bush to a man.
>and shaped man out of dirt shaped into a form that resembled himself.
God formed us in his image, not in his likeness. But you are right there are some things we don’t know. Many his spiritual form directly emulates the body as the scriptures suggest His church does. Either way it’s a silly thing to worry about and a stumbling block. It’s like worrying about what Jesus looked like.
>And that when people just get that feeling and do God's will without LITERALLY talking to him and hearing his voice, thats the Holy Spirit.
Yes, of course. Who said the Holy Spirit is always some airy fairy voice? Most of the time our relationship with God comes from reading the scripture and listening to it, that IS God talking to us.
>And that until 0AD Jesus did not exist.
That’s false and lowers the value of Jesus immensely.
>BUT because every word out of his mouth is the Will of God and his knowledge comes from God, that Jesus is essentially the Word made flesh.
There’s no “but”, unless you think people only exist in one plane. We all have spiritual bodies and Jesus is no different in having come down to this plane.

>>523972372
Yes there were oral revelations not in the Torah called the tanakh. Point? But not everything in the Talmud is correct. For example Jesus boiling in semen and excrement is obviously false.

The concept of trinity comes far earlier than jewstianity
What it boils down is that we as humans have 3 states, one where we are mortals beings aka the son, the "young" unlearned being, coming to this world to experience it as it is
one where we are the father, after our death, we're no longer "dumb", we uncovered the mystery of life and death, we've ascended
And the last, our spirit, which is our conscience, seeking the truth, which has the ability the communicate between the "father" and the "son"
It's sort of like the tang from Evangelion, you can access it if you inquire enough, some great people in the past have done it, the so called alchemists, it's the bridge between our world and the next one, a wormhole in time and space between ourselves
Living in unity with the trinity means being complete with yourself

>>523972352
Well?

>>523972372
>the talmud predates your quran
That is because you worship jews. The word of God is uncreated

>>523972358
moses created nothing.
so allah made a messenger a creator? now you have 2 creators.

What are you made of

>>523968991
>2026
>believing in desert nigger religion

Northmen call him Allfather, but are known by different tongues by different names. Odin, Zeus etc.

If you going to ONLY take the "bible" as the truth, you will not gain any wisdom.

>>523971586
No, they're wrong.
It's this one thing that makes no sense and I think seems heretical compared to the logical and more biblically based idea of God is the Father, Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Will of God is the only part that makes no sense and make ME the heretical one.

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>>523968991
The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.

The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.

Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.

Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.

>>523972480
I'm not the one with stolen stories from the talmud in my quran, lad.
who is the word of god in the quran?
>uh oh

>>523971953
God is ineffable and therefore paradoxical, the moment you define it by any means you decapitate it. If you can define your god and it’s personified then that’s just a deified being, a cosmic celeb you suck off, not an absolute God, which is what the trinity represents.

>>523972352
>How the fuck is that not only "heretical" but not the main belief.
if you believe in God don't you think He would have favored it if it was true?

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>>523972352
>tfw Arius takes the witness stand

>>523971767
Go commit Sudoku you fucking gook

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>>523968991
>his Father in Heaven if they are the same person

Jew Jesus try to steal Roman slaves. Jew Jesus told to some one else's slaves, that they are free, and you have to follow me... to pick up my cotton now, because my daddy is almighty. So Romans when they caught him, they put kike on the cross for stealing Romans property. ...and kike didn't give up to the last minute he was screaming like a nigger: I didn't do nothing.. I am dying for all your sins, so that you know that stealing is wrong.
A lots of people get impressed and confused. So another Jew apostle Paul, used this opportunity and lucked up all Divine spark seekers in the church under Jewish professional God lovers, authority. and they burn heretics a life in a public place. So horrified mothers start teach their kids to fear the God. Religion was so troublesome, so Jews went to Africa and provide pick up cotton service to American slave owners. It was first Uber for niggers from Africa to America on the ships.

You can really see how faith without works is dead

>>523972487
Yes he created snake from staff. Quadrinity

Praise Jesus for protecting us from God

>>523972608
moses didn't create anything.
so is gibreel a separate creator?

Religion is fire.

>>523972645
How did Moses create the snake from staff them? Are there now 4 persons of the trinity?

>>523972518
>Word of god ben joseph

>>523972700
moses created nothing and never has.
feel that feeling in your stomach? notice that you can't answer the question?
is the holy spirit one with allah, or is the holy spirit a separate creator from allah? (remember, allah isn't in this verse and can't enter his creation)

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>>523971497
Shut up! my grandma die in Auschwitz!

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>>523972514
>Not a Biblical teaching
ohohoho

>>523968991
The Father is a loving God, but there has to be something besides Himself to direct His love towards to. Thus the Son came to be, begotten from Him. Now there is a target to love, His own Son. And the Holy Spirit reflects the love they share for each other. This is why God is trinitarian in nature.

>>523972760
>allahs word is uncreated
so jesus is uncreated? very good.
now you have 2 uncreated's in islam.
welcome to islam :)

>>523972513
you can start your own.... Onegodtarian church with your favorite ESV

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>>523971497

'Arbeit machts frei!' - work will make you free
It was so horrible. Jews was for the first time forced to work for a living ... was it prep camp before Palestine? Kibbutz

>>523972927
Your strawman argument didn't factor the fact that Jesus began with Mary whereas Allah is the first and the last, He is unique and there is nothing like him. Am i dealing with a mormon? You never know these days. You should cite the scripture instead of arguin emotionally

>>523973064
so allahs word is created. see what you did there?

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>>523971497
How dear you?

>>523972909
>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7, KJV)

This verse is known as the Johannine Comma. This text is not found in any of the early Greek or the best Latin manuscripts of the Bible. It is spurious. It was added, no doubt, to try to support the Trinity. Most modern translations, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include these words in the main body of the text.(RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB also leave out the Trinitarian passage.)

This is a SPURIOUS TEXT, or non-existent text not found in any of the oldest manuscripts. Anyone that presents this text to you is a liar and a fiend.

The correct translation of this verse is:

>1John5:7 - 7For there are three witness bearers, 8the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement.

See? This is the problem with you Trinitarianism. You don't understand Bible translation, Bible history, Biblical linguistics. If you did, you wouldn't believe in the Trinity at all.

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>>523972909
>inb4 but johannine comma missing from Codex Alexandrinus cope

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>>523968991
Heavenly Father is God the Father. Christ is God the Son. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit.
The God of the OT is Jesus. God the Father is directing God the Son with the creation.
Make sense?

>>523973108
Youre confusing the Quran with new testament John 1. Rookie mistake

>>523972514
trinity in the OT:
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A

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>>523973126
xaxa (((You)))'re just 30 seconds faster than me >>523973146

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>>523972433
>Shut up
kike detected
kek

>>523973202
so allahs word is uncreated AND created.

>>523968991
you need to experience it to understand why they talk about it. Either pray hard, hesychism from Orthodox tradition, meister Eckharts works from Catholicism, mirror of simple souls by porette, A Course In Miracles is a modern one. Alternatively look into non-dual philosophy, Neoplatonism and pseudo-Dionysius, emptiness or dependent co-origination. They’re all talking about the same thing. Good luck and God bless.

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Jews R bad.

>>523972913
It can be shocking to admit that God has everything He needs in Father, Son and Holy Spirit but it is also most comforting. Within this completed framework, they went outside of it to CHOOSE to save you. They would have done it if it was for JUST you. Our choice is, to either recieve this love or reject it. We have a very unique opportunity to be included in something where we previously felt meaningless, but have been told we are so important that we are considered children. The sad thing is that even knowing all this human beings are still prone to unbelief and doubt. We must remind ourselves that God is good and life is full of illusions to distract us from that fact. We must always be grateful but we must also celebrate because we were chosen. We were CHOSEN.

>>523970548
fuck you piece of shit redneck

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>>523972433
>Shut up
You realize what is coming, do you?

>>523972813
Further, when Moses tried to imply he was the source of the power of God he was actually stuck on the other side of the river where he could see the Promised Land. Moses was a full human being and no saint. He was originally a murderer who looked both ways and then hid the body. Moses had some character flaws but he was also extremely faithful most of the time. He just had patience issues and was human and prone to taking credit for God’s work. Even David slipped up and tried to carry the Ark of the Covenant without proper process. They were all humans trying their best. The fact we remember them is because they learned and grew from their experiences. That’s where many of us differ. We circle the vortex and do not shine in our blessing. That is because the devil is determined and we are under great threat. Not because we are not important to God.

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>>523971497
video

>>523969505
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit form a hypostatic trinity which is God. This sounds paradoxical as it's asserted that they are three persons yet one, understanding how this is possible and what is meant by flesh and spirit is important. It's similar to the doctrine of two truths from buddhism. There's a youtube channel which will guide you to this understanding here: https://www.youtube.com/c/SimplyAlwaysAwake
It's about zen but doesn't preclude the Christian understanding of things. I'm not aware of a good channel on Christian Mysticism, but there's book recs here: >>523973241

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>>523972433
stay still

>>523969505
Collectively, the bun, the patty and the salad are the burger but all 3 are distinct from each other and, individually, none are the burger. Once eaten you are partly burger and the burger is within you. Even after your next poop, the burger energy / spirit is within and powering your thoughts and movements.
Understanding nuanced concepts is easy once you find a relatable analogy, anon.

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>>523972433
>Shut up
freedom of speech?

>>523968991
Jesus is the key, OP.

Firstly, there would be no human being alive, ever, who would be worthy of saying they have reconcilled us with God almighty - the Lord Himself had to do it, and is worthy, forever. Secondly, no human would ever be a good enough offering up to God in this way; "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10), the Lord had to do it, for us. Thirdly, look for examples when Jesus says things like "but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here", at the resurrection of Lazarus for example, the Lord is demonstrating that He does and says these things for us, for an example to follow, and we needed a man who is God, to set that example, and lead: "Follow me" Jesus often says.

All glory, honour, power and might to God, in Jesus perfect, matchless name. amen.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZozXHQB6TuU

>>523973294
Amen, brother. God bless.

>>523973485
>This sounds paradoxical
That's because it is. The lord our god is one.
>The lamb, the shepherd and the king of kings are the same person
This might sound divinely inspiring to a coke addict but to everyone else it's satanic drivel

>>523971599
My understanding of the teaching is he's not half-man, half God, he's fully man and fully God

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>>523972433
>Shut up
video

Trinity is ridiculous pagan nonsense they came up with because pagans couldn't imagine just a single God so they chose 3 as the minimum. Which is why Christianity is different from a purely monotheist religion like Islam. I assume that they didn't need to add gods to make Arabs believe in it. They might had a different take on it than the Greek and Romans.

>>523973668
AHAD means the number 1? interesting

>>523973668
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it, back to your ESL classes

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>>523973747
>I assume that they didn't need to add gods to make Arabs believe in it.
No they just took a Moon god and exterminated the cult of his daughters

>>523973811
Wah'd is one. Ahd is The one i suppose

>>523973668
The lord your god is ineffable according to Jesus’ canon, that means it’s paradoxical as well.

There are two gods in the Bible, the personal, exoteric one, the byproduct of the sheep projecting themselves onto the ineffable, Temu god. And then there is the ineffable, impersonal God that is actually absolute and it’s expressed through the esoteric body of the religion.

Most christians worship the first one

>>523973868
I think your belief that a moon god created the earth and created Adam and eve and so on. Guided Moses and so on is a different belief then what Muslims believe. You never find that belief among Muslims

>>523968991
you can't be anti-Nicaean and be considered Christian

>>523973936
kek. no. ahad is "one of", as in bringing multiple things together as 1. same with the word "tawhid"

>>523968991
>It makes no sense for Jesus to pray to his Father in Heaven if they are the same person
Man was made separated from God. His body was not in communion with the rest of the divine body. So he was instructed how to conduct himself.

But he did not follow instructions because he was made faulty. And for that he was exiled from the divine body.

Not only was man made outside God, but then he was cast away and told to act like the animal he is.

Later apparently the divinity felt bad about the decision and invented worshipping.

Here we are. The end.

>>523973975
islam is lunar, the Mecca is saturnian/lunar where Allah and his daughters were worshiped. Mohammed didn't have access to the bible books and met some fringe christian monks (probably Nestorians) and mixed what he understood from their beliefs with Mecca worship and arabic folklore about djinns

>>523968991
Leta not forget how them being the same would COMPLETELY diminish the sacrifice of the son. Sacrificing oneself, knowing they can't die, knowing that the suffering would be temporary, has no where near the gravity as giving a son to the cause.... how many people would gladly give themselves over their child. Orthodox believe the father begets the son and the holy spirit, this is the only thing that makes sense to me.... how would the son sit on the right side of himself, how can he be the only way to the father if they're the same.... while verses like my father and I are one, is easy to explain as one in purpose, one in divinity, one in substance... I could make the same statement... I struggled with this forever as well, then saw orthodox believe much of my own drawn conclusions,the more you look into orthodoxy the more you see how heretical american Christianity is... it constantly widens the gate to heaven... once saved always saved- is an absolute joke, and would technically make salvation literally the easiest thing conceivable... salvation is a relationship, not a single event.

>>523974115
Ahad is a root word you penis. Maybe youre thinking of مِن
>There are two gods in the Bible
I respectfully disagree. And there is nothing impersonal about worshipping an blue eyes golden haired olive skinned semitic prophet creatively inspired by european painters. None may see God and live. This is a promise made to Moses and God doesn't go back on his word only to manifest Jesus in the flesh as son. That is absolutely evil, considering that jews suffered under a human god in Egypt

>>523973958
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>>523974572
kek ahad. is "one of...". it comes from the hebrew/aramaic word "achad", meaning unification.

>>523974689
Googling echad just directs me to a reddit page where jews bash trinitarians lol lmfao
>"Your friend is trying to convince you that christianity is compatible with Judaism. Regardless of what the word Echad means, there is only one g-d according to Judaism. Not a Trio or a Trinity or a Unity of Three or whatever. Judaism is pretty big on this monotheism thing and had been for thousands of years before christianity."
I had a good laff

>>523974592
You can disagree, but the fact is there is a personal and an impersonal deity, you can reconcile the personal one into the impersonal one, but not the other way around. Simple logic says there are two deities.

People can think whatever they want about the exoteric personal one. That it’s an alien that hijacked the proto dogma, that is an interdimensional being, or that’s simply a figure result of people projecting their humanity onto what they don’t understand and then worshipping the reflection. But there are two, and most are worshipping the exoteric personal deity. That, by all esoteric accounts, isn’t the “absolute God” represented in the trinity.

>>523974966
ahad means "one of", as it always has in arabic. it's means combining many things into 1. the word "tawhid" is no different. unification , as it always has been.

>>523968991
I can't tell you. That's between you and Christ. Although, I was essentially raised in the Church. CCD every Wednesday. Mass every Sunday. Our Monsignor was a close friend of the family. Mom was the Choir Director for decades. To condense my beliefs down to an easily digestible greentext.
>honor your father and mother
>honor the One True God
>live an honorable life
>honor your neighbor insofar as they return the favor
>defending yourself, your family and your faith are of the highest priority
>mercy is a virtue but not at the expense of your loved ones' safety
>only God forgives, mortals claiming the power to do so are demagogues
>Right and Wrong are NOT subjective. They are provably objective
>Western Christian Civilization is not compatible with some other Civilizations(namely Islamic, seeing as it spits in the face of Christ's teachings)
>Only sleep with those you are willing to raise a child with (18+ year commitment)

>>523968991
You have a mind, body, and soul.
3 in one but each distinct.

>>523975116
>>only God forgives, mortals claiming the power to do so are demagogues
This contradicts the rest. You must forgive your neighbor and anyone asking, if they have wronged you, as long as they forgive you and repent their sins.

>>523968991
http://www.allreligionsareone.org/

Was Jesus Christ a real person, even divine? Maybe. Was his message and church corrupted from the very beginning? Without doubt.

>>523975049
>Abandon all reason, follow your dick instead! Don't be a mainstream sheep!
Explain why i should abandon a book that was given to me for free in favor of whatver it is youre selling?

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>>523974966
>"Your friend is trying to convince you that christianity is compatible with Judaism.
>Regardless of what the word Echad means, there is only one g-d according to Judaism.
>Not a Trio or a Trinity or a Unity of Three or whatever. Judaism is pretty big on this monotheism thing
checked and picrel

>>523975420
I’m not selling anything that isn’t in those books. I’m not trying to convert you or “fix” your paradigm, i’m simply discussing the topic of the thread.

>>523968991
These questions have been answered over and over for 2,000 years. Please do some research beyond asking the retards here about it. You're going to get a bunch of gnostics/aetheists/jews/mormons/retards fumbling this question up.

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Proof that the Bible is the word of God:
fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf
https://truthischrist.com/seven/

1 Corin 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Rom 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God by receiving Christ? Your own righteousness can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sin. Rom 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him and believe He atoned for your sins on the cross.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

>>523975580
That interview was wild

>>523968991
They are not the same person, 3 distinct person and the only difference between them is their relation to each other. And yes the Holy Spirit is the love(will) between The Father and The Son.

>>523969505
Also you forget when the Son prays to the Father he is not only God but human aswell. With your point of view someone could argue that the Son is not God because he was thirsty on the cross.

>>523969505
He literally says “I and my Father are one.” John 10:30

>>523972433
Nah

>>523972260
OP is a bit unhinged it seems. I can't tell if he's a Jew or not

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>>523968991
Damn i didnt know the Trinity was such a brainlet filter for people.

>>523970291
OK so what if I feel in my heart that the trinity is a load of jewish bullshit to condition christcucks to go along with ridiculous suggestions.

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>>523968991
its a bait and switch, why do you think they named him "yahweh is salvation"
why do you think the angel explicitly told mary to name her son that?
because jews made the entire thing up. you have questions because its retarded. what sort of god gets the shape and age of the earth wrong? a constructed one created by a series of midwit sandpeople 2000 years. most of the stuff that probably resonates with you is probably the stuff they plagiarized from pagans, which in their poor comprehension they failed to adequately explain to you.

>>523968991
>Okay I'm really confused.
>I consider myself Christian.
many such cases

>>523970291
>My ancestors just happen to have been Christian for the last thousand years, which necessitates an understanding and appreciation for Christian intellectual traditions.
were they though, or are you just presuming that, because it was illegal to believe otherwise? the more you read into christian history, the more you start to see it wasnt anywhere near as popular as they made it out to be. they had the backing of the jews, which meant they had the backing of the state, but the common man? not a chance. if your government today or your king said that he had a dream about a poo god with 6 arms who told him he was vishnu and the only god and now everyone was required to worship vishnu under penalty of death, would you drop what youre doing and put aside a thousand years of history and say guess i worship vishnu now? no, youd bicker and complain, a few of you might make a public display and be executed, and everyone else would keep their heads down wondering what the fuck. very few people would be like "we worship vishnu now"

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>>523970291
>>523980642
and if you would do that, than christcucks are even dumber than previously believed, and we really need to incorporate this information into the wider NPC Question/theory, because that is beyond retarded.

and if you wouldnt do that, whats the next phase? would you say the words "jesus is my lord and savior" or prefer beheading? would you lie? well youre alive, so your ancestors either would, or theyd have lied, or would have been not so prestigious that they were lucky enough to avoid the jewish ultimatum.

this is a genuine predicament in abrahamism and became hotly debated among jewish adventures 3 - revenge of Mohammad scholars, and not to mention jews. you can die with your honor, but fail your gods, or you could shame yourself and live to fight another day. there is no perfect solution, and you probably wouldnt have been in any state to consider it anyway. but i am of the opinion if you can be made to dishonor your gods, you can be made to do anything, its just a question of what variables are necessary. which jews agree on, which is why they have gentiles themselves defile their own idols, rather than do it themselves.

>>523969166
>when someone points out that jewish bullshit stories are bullshit they must be a Jew!
Yeah, no wonder the Goyim are fucked over that easily.

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>>523968991
You worship a mythological Jewish Rabbi, then wonder why THEY print your money while you fight THEIR wars.

Christianity is a Universalist Ideological movement.

One that rejects White European history calling it “demonic,” quite literally turned a sword against our White kin, divided and destroyed our common ancestral culture, and promoted the further destruction of our European race through their “all one race” under a jewish dude that’s been mia for over 2000 years— they call god.

Our differences are they we don’t worship jewish fairytales or worship a jewish god.

You can’t be sleeping with the enemy and ask us to turn the other cheek. Sorry.

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Not everyone chooses to live their life in accordance with the teachings of a made up fairy tale written by a bunch of sand jews. The fact that your magic book tells you to suck jewish dick means nothing to me.

This is now a blessed Pagan thread. White people must return to our roots, cast off the slave religion of Christianity. Remember your proud gods of honor and strength, not this deception of meekness.

https://files.catbox.moe/i9ow9n.mp4

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>>523982722
>christcucks seeing beautiful goddesses in european architecture be liek:
>THIS IS DEMONIC

>christcucks seeing visual representations of the eldritch monsters borne of schizophrenia that jews call angels and various other biblical creations:
>this is fiiiiiiiiine
>cant wait to go home

nigger

>>523968991
There are two worlds, "Earth" and "Heaven".
There are two of every being.

In Heaven, God is "asleep" on a throne. His dream is literally "Earth". Everyone on Earth is in God's "dream".

When you die, you just "wake up" or "escape" the dream depending on how you look at it.

>>523968991
Father = God.
Jesus = God
Holy Spirit = God

Father =/= Son =/= Holy Spirit.
Why is this so confusing to you?

>>523968991
God is a race. There are only 3 members of the God race. All of them have God powers.