Fetuses aren't sentient beings and thus don't deserve moral consideration.Why is this so fucking hard for chuds to understand?Continued from here:>>523948133
>>523972706killing unborn babies is pretty bad
You're a faggot. Kill yourself.
>>523972772If it's before they've developed the capacity for awareness than it's basically the same as killing a germ or an amoeba, as far as the amount of pain and suffering that is being caused.
>>523972706Neither are niggers and like 90% of humans.
>>523972706Just take them out of the mom and if they can’t live on their own and that’s their problem
>>523972825Even literal retards qualify as sentient.
>>523972820that's not truethey are aware and they live their baby lives inside of mommy and then mommy pays a doctor to kill them
>>523972953You know there's a point before they have a brain or a nervous system at all, right?You think they're aware then?
So on that regard you think it should be okay to release chemicals into the ecosystem that harms the unborn because they're not worthy of moral consideration?Should it be okay for a woman to smoke, drink, or do drugs while pregnant because the fetus is beneath moral consideration?Should I be allowed to punch pregnant women in the stomach because the fetus inside is beneath moral consideration?Of course you would not agree with any of this. Because it's objectively horrid to do these things.Just admit you want abortion because of the convenience, and there will be an end to the horror.Just walk away.
>>523973050of course they are aware they even fight the doctor when he triers to cut them into pieces
Abortion creates a moral issue where there shouldnt be one.Like nothing gets worse if we just allow it.Only religious schizos get mad at it but its their magical thinking speaking
>>523972706You seem strangely interested in child sacrifice moshe
>>523972706Hey wow! It actually is the same topic instead of a completely unrelated topic. Thanks, OP
>>523973098All of these things will affect the born children too THOUGH
>>523973105That's...significantly after what I'm talking about, anon.
>>523972706Life begins at conception. If you don't want to create life don't have sex. It's easy. I've been not having sex for years.
>>523973143learn evolution and evo devo there no magic before there is conception and then you
>>523973158Bacteria is life too. Your sperm is alive. Something being "alive" doesn't mean it deserves moral consideration.
>>523973204Bacteria and sperm are not a human life. A fertilized egg is.
>>523973170Do you think the personality / ego / identity that you have now existed within that one-celled organism at the moment of conception? That is was equally a person and a personality the way you are right now? That it deserves the exact same equal moral consideration that you do, as an adult human that can feel pain and suffer?
>>523972706>Fetuses aren't sentient beingsNon-Jewish source for this lunacy?
Because I'm not necessarily anti abortion, I think that I can boil this whole thing down for most of you.The publicly stated stance of being "pro life" has almost nothing to do with preserving the life of the unborn.For the vast majority of anti abortion advocates, their stance on the issue has to do with trying to socially engineer society to their liking. For them banning abortion would magically fix several other problems (or perceived problems) in contemporary society. So, can we please just stop with this whole notion that this is all about being "pro life?" Almost no one really cares, except for a very small segment of people.
>>523973248They're life. They are alive. And they are as equally non-sentient as a fertilized egg is. Equally without awareness, equally incapable of pain or suffering.
>>523973204BTW technically some cells are weird and half alive, like blood cells - no core - or sperm - half core
>>523973285We're talking about killing unborn children which is what abortion actually is, not killing bacteria.
>>523973258They objectively aren't up until a certain point. After that point, this logic no longer applies since they're sentient and deserve the same moral consideration as a newborn baby.
>>523973256you are that one since cell after conceptionjust that one cell with that one DNA is now trillion cells with the same one DNAyou go trough phases and each phase has its awareness, because without awareness you die
>>523973285>Equally without awarenessMost adult NPC's have zero awareness too.Do you go the whole hog and advocate for making killing boomers legal too?
>>523973348I think you're being intentionally difficult.
>>523973328>They objectively aren't up until a certain pointAgain, any non-Jewish source for this lunacy? Say "it just is and it came to me in a dream" isn't a source.
>>523973378If they had "zero awareness" then you could shoot them in the gut and they wouldn't notice. Don't be silly.
Consciousness and sentience or sapience aren't well understood and defined to use them in order to build arguments.But even if they were. We shouldn't judge and give value based on them since we might not be the only sentient lives in the universe, and i am not sharing this planet with any fucking alien fags.Human is a biological organism, what makes human a human is his/her DNA. That is all.
>>523973404Before a certain point in the pregnancy they literally do not have a developed nervous system so it would be physically impossible for them to feel anything at all, let alone to suffer.
>>523973432If I shot you in the head while you were in deep sleep, and you died, would you have noticed you were dying? Isn't it the same thing?
>>523973462>it's okay to kill anything so long as it doesn't sufferYou're a fucking psychopath, dude.
>>523973187>>Killing adults is often pragmatic behavior.Yes. That's called war. It's great for generating engines of economic activity and innovation. It may be brutal, but it's true and that's the way the real world works. This extends not just to war but to the increasingly for profit support for modern policing wherein killing of suspects is a routine practice>>We should be allowed to do it whenever we want as long as they don’t suffer. :^)Hold up now! I never said anything about sparing anyone from suffering.>>are people trying to socially engineer me into bargaining with my enemies?Maybe. It depends on the context of a given situation.>>This is so hateful. Power structures. Ugh.Whatever. I'm not even defending it. I'm just explaining this is how the real world works
>>523973432>If they had "zero awareness" then you could shoot them in the gut and they wouldn't noticeFirst of all, that's literally exactly what happens when niggers randomly attack boomers and boomers reply with some Jewsh anti-racism schpiel.Secondly, fetuses certainly *do* notice when they're killed, why the fuck would you think they don't?
>>523973458Most animals are sentient too.
>>523973499You literally just killed a million microorganisms as you typed that.
>>523973462>Before a certain point in the pregnancy they literally do not have a developed nervous system That point is like four weeks.
Abortion will always exist.
>>523973576You know what people mean when they say sentient, no need to be obtuse and pedantic here. It might be a spectrum, and only when you reach a certain level people call it sentient. It's just words. Words exist to communicate.
>>523973604Then we can make that the cutoff. Doesn't matter to me.
>>523973616So will murder, rape and cannibalism. (Or all three at the same time, this will always exist too.)
>>523973632When people say sentient they are definitely referring to something that most animals have. I.E. a subjective experience, the ability to suffer and feel pain, etc.
>>523973616>Psychotic women will always want to kill their unborn children.Yes, we know.
>>523972706Life begins at conception. Merry Christmas.
>>523973648But we do. That's the so-called "morning after pill", and it isn't abortion.
>>523973695No, when people say sentient they usually just mean sapient and simply don't know that word or the difference between them.
>>523973721It absolutely is considered abortion by 99% of the people taking the anti-abortion position on here.
>>523973722Okay, well I'm using it the way it's supposed to be used, and the way it's currently used in academic circles.I also disagree, I think most people at this point are aware that mammals and birds at the very least are sentient by whatever definition they're using.
If we have souls and upon conception the soul is made part of this new being then its a difficult subject, if we are bestowed a soul for a good reason by a benevolent source then abortion should be illegal and completely immortal, if we are some sort of lush farm being endlessly harvested by ayy lmaos then no one should ever give birth again.
>>523973781No, most people only say sentient when it's a human level of self-reflection and conscious self-modeling, which arguably consciousness is nothing but self-modeling.Your brain is the part of your body that perceives the world.It gets information through your eyes, your nervous system, and all your other senses.Your sense of “you”, your thoughts, identity, and experiences is your brain’s internal model of your body.But regardless, none of this is the crux of the issue. Like i said in the original post:>>523973458Consciousness and sentience or sapience aren't well understood and defined to use them in order to build arguments.But even if they were. We shouldn't judge and give value based on them since we might not be the only sentient lives in the universe, and i am not sharing this planet with any fucking alien fags.
>>523973857I think everyone intuitively knows it's wrong. People trying to reason their way into why it's okay is just cope.
>>523973935>We shouldn't judge and give value based on them since we might not be the only sentient lives in the universe, and i am not sharing this planet with any fucking alien fags.This is a fallacious argument. Sentience isn't proposed as an absolutely inviolable benchmark but rather one that has to be cleared if we are to even begin to have a discussion about whether to kill someone or not.
>>523973746There's three kinds of "abortion" 1. The morning after pill2. Medical abortion3. Surgical abortionCorrespondingly, the vast majority of countries only allow abortion before 12 weeks.The USA is unique in having utterly insane things like partial-birth abortion and abortion after 20 weeks.
>>523973857>If we have souls and upon conception the soul is made part of this new beingIt's more complicated than that. It's more like a changing malleable energy bundle than some eternal intact thing. >if we are bestowed a soul for a good reason by a benevolent sourcenope :(>if we are some sort of lush farm being endlessly harvestedyep :(
>>523973658>>523973698Keep obsessing, it's great for (You)r mental health. Obsess more. And more. Obsess some more about something that will always ever exist.Now,obsess some more about it.Then, after (You)'ve finished, obsess more.Keep obsessing about something that always ever will exist after (You)'ve departed this planet and can not post on 4chan about it.Then, obsess some more.After that, obsess about it.
>>523973603Human > microorganismSimple as
>>523974020No that is incorrect. Leftist argument is that body/blood/dna doesn't matter and people should be judged just based on their personality qualities. In that sense you're the amalgamation of your personalty traits. Aliens will also have personality traits.As for abortion specifically, argument is not whether sentience opens the door for the conversation, the unborn babies were defined as non-human in order to enable killing them, which means human is not his DNA, since unborn babies already have formed DNA. This is a definition of human outside of biology, which opens the door for numerous potential threats. Both from within and outside.
Wouldn’t they become sentiment human beings if their birth weren’t interrupted by abortions tho?As in, if your mother got an abortion, would you exist now? Weren’t we all fetuses at one point? Something to think about, nigga.Stop being brainwashed by emotional women and think about cause and effect.
>>523973603He thinks killing living things is a priori wrong because he implicitly believes in some sort of vitalism. That's what this entire debate comes down to.
>>523974032There is also one called a Chemical abortion. Also referred to as a miscarriage. But you cannot just make up shit like this garbage post and pass it around like an illiterate fag. Abortion is only 1 kind. Removing a fetus from a uterus. The morning after pill or plan b doesn't abort a fetus you retard.
>>523974108I'm not obsessed at all. I didn't start this thread. I've never restrained a woman who was about to go kill her unborn child. I'm just pointing out the truth so all you mental gymnasts suffer more psychologically.
>>523974242>Abortion is only 1 kind. Removing a fetus from a uterus. The morning after pill or plan b doesn't abort a fetus you retard.By this definition, getting rid of the thing before the 9th week of pregnancy isn't abortion because up until then it's not a fetus.
>>523974318The CDC definition is termination of pregnancy while purposely killing the child.
>>523974276 <---6 pbtid Bot Shill>mental gymnast = (You), and are obsessed.>the truthAbortion will always exist. Forever as long as the human race exists.Abortion will never, not exist.
>>523972706Fetuses aren't sentient while they're fetuses, but you're not sentient when you're in deep sleep or a coma. Thus you don't deserve moral consideration if you're in deep sleep or a coma.
>>523973935Okay, maybe they use it differently in Armenia or something. Agree to disagree.
>>523974378Yes, I already agreed with you that psychopath women will always want to kill their unborn children.
>>523974352Under that definition he's wrong about plan B not being abortion.
>>523974032>>523974032>>523974242>>523974318>>523974352You had anti-abortion people in the last thread arguing that it is a full human being worthy of full citizenship rights and full moral consideration, the literal exact same as you or me, at the literal exact moment of conception.
>>523974108Your jimmies seem rustled, fren. Is this a personal issue?
>>523974414No, they use it differently generally on this planet. I do not agree to disagree. And that wasn't even the crux of the argument.
>>523974402We went over this ad nauseum in the previous thread but basically you as a citizen have a social contract with society where you can expect your rights to still be respected during these times.
>>523974419>7 pbtid obsessed Bot Shill 'm-muh women want'Abortion always exists, always has existed, and always will exist.Other entities, besides women, invented practiced came up with and carried out abortion. In other words, *Midwit*, not only women are involved in or perpetrators behind abortion nor are they the only gender that "wanted" it or do it.Abortion will never, not exist. It will always exist.
>>523974490Cool, look up the literal dictionary definition of sentience then and tell me how that doesn't apply to non-human mammals at the very least.
>>523974542>unironically schizopostingvery on-brand for an abortion entusiast.
>>523974233Basically yeah, that or what this anon said: >>523973284
>>523974242Chemical abortion is my pt 2.>Abortion is only 1 kind. Removing a fetus from a uterus.Only in America there is a Jewish dichotomy of "either complete ban at zero weeks or you have allow partial-birth abortion".The entire rest of the world has a nuanced discussion about weeks.That said, anything above 4 weeks is clearly murder and the EU 12 week standard is based on satanism and sodomy.
>>523973462>they literally do not have a developed nervous systemCells and cell clusters do in fact have the equivalent of thought and elf agency. Otherwise, it wouldn't develop in the first place.
>>523974613>Only in America there is a Jewish dichotomy of "either complete ban at zero weeks or you have allow partial-birth abortion".>The entire rest of the world has a nuanced discussion about weeks.Yeah, that does sum up American politics on most issues
>>523972706It could have happened to you, your mom could have made the decision to get it and you wouldn't exist. You wouldn't be laughing then.
>>523974551Next we gonna argue whether people use literal to mean literal, or the word just serves as an emphasis.Jesus. How utterly worthless.
>>523974625You have absolutely no reason to think that they have a subjective experience or can suffer.
>>523974487>9 pbtid Russia flag *midwit* 'm-muh jimmies'kek.Look at the last thread (<--that I only am aware of from OP, wasn't in it or even saw it) almost 400 replies. Now that is rustled jimmies.70 posts itt. Rustled jimmies>"personal"Sounds like it is for (You). I've never in 20 years posted in an abortion topic on 4chan.Abortion exists and will always. Forever.Keep obsessing about it. Don't stop.(also fwiw ?, it seems ?? that in the modern 20th century industrial society era—forward, it is males that obsess over the topic of abortion more than do females. Merely an observation. Now watch the jimmies rustle galactically)
Furthermore, before i go, I will add one more thing, abortion is a fundamental assault on men, i would even go as far as to say it makes being man - illegal, since it makes you unable to protect your own spawn, and what kind of man are you, if you can't even protect your spawn?
>>523974634I'm not laughing now. Also, assuming the metaphysical framework you're implying, I would have never had awareness to begin with so I obviously wouldn't have given a shit. >>523974646Anon, I'm sorry but you're being retarded. >This word doesn't mean what it means, bro>>523974727Okay, yep, confirmed retard. Good day.
>>523974568>9 pbtid "unironically"Back to plebbit, Brainlet.(haven't looked at the 400-reply prior thread, but that one ought be full of midwit content as well)
>>523974727You can, it just requires social skills and mate selection skills.Literally a skill issue.
>>523974678>Abortion exists and will always. Forever.Yes, murder exists and will always. Forever. I don't think anyone here disagrees.You seem mentally flustered, fren. Take a chill pill and a moment to compose yourself.
>>523974776>(haven't looked at the 400-reply prior thread, but that one ought be full of midwit content as well)It was the best of threads, it was the worst of threads
>>523974758You are literally braindead, because you think i just made a claim that your brain is dead. How do autists like you even survive in this world? Did your daddy/mommy shield you from the big bad world your entire life?
>>523974806Mate selection doesn't fix the legal framework that allows a woman to unilaterally kill a man's child.
>>523973603I kill animals to live. You kill the unborn for convenience. We are not the same.
>>523974776half my replies in this thread are just making fun of you schizo
>>523974857>'Sentient' means X.>I clarify that when I am saying 'sentient', I mean X.>You are still confused why I'm saying 'sentient' and not meaning Y.
>>523974865No, but it allows you to marry a woman who won't kill your spawn. Might be hard in puccia idk.
>>523974821>Russia flag 11 pbtid 'f-fren', 'm-muh chill'Abortion exists and always will. Keep obsessing about what (You) have zero control over fren, it's excellent for (You)r mental health
>>523974892The same amount of pain and suffering was caused in both examples.
>>523974806You're saying select mates carefully and have a dominant social position, to make sure as much as you can that is. Which is a strategy to mitigate the issue. But the issue remains, and that is the assault of the system itself on men. You're defending a system that exist to weaken your kind.
>>523974920>10 pbtid obsessed Bot Shill 'i-i'm using ridicule fr fr'(You)'re a Brainlet. Go back to plebbit
>>523972706> Fetuses aren't sentient beings Arguably you aren’t either
>>523974967Then if we follow the logical conclusion, if I use your concept of morality, it's okay for me to kill you as long as I do it without you suffering.
>>523972706So if I drug you unconscious, since you are not currently sentient, I can do anything I want to you, including ending your life?
>>523972706>Fetuses aren't sentient beingsProve it. Pro tip: you can't.
>>523974974I'm defending a system that allows me to make a bitch fetus deletus any spawn i don't want lmao.
>>523975000No, because at this point I'm an individuated personality / ego with unique conscious agency, and you'd be taking that away.Plus we live in a society where I'm a citizen granted rights as part of a social contract.
>T. Satanist fuckbagYou're just scared you won't be able to sacrifice fetuses to Satan (holy water be upon him) anymore.
>>523975004>>523974524>>523975053
>>523975053>Taking it awayHow? How will anyone prove you had anything once you're dead?
>>523974929Seems like you're deeply confused. I accept what you mean when you say sentient while correcting you whether that's what people generally mean when they use that word. And at the same time i presented an argument that addressed your position. You simply choose to focus on the word meaning argument, as opposed to the crux of the issue.Either because you're stupid, or because you simply have no retort.Either way, i now consider you a waste of time. So don't worry, you don't need to bother.
>>523975060take your meds, christcuck
>>523975053But if you can disagree with the right of the fetus to reach (in your argument) personhood, then I can disagree with all of those things and deny you your personhood as well, since this is all very subjective. Especially if we tried to argue that you even have sapience to begin with.I'm not inclined to agree at this moment. You seem more animal than Man.
>>523975103Okay, now you're just being a solipsist
>>523975086Where's this contract written and where does it say who it applies to?
>>523974941The legal framework allows a femoid to kill a child just because, for convenience.That same legal framework requires a male to pay child support regardless of what he wants or of the circumstances of conception. (Yes, you're on the hook for child support even in the case of rape.)Do you not understand why lopsided and unjust laws are unsustainable?
>>523975052You can't make a bitch delete the spawn you don't want, you can try to use whatever power you have trying to achieve that, but the system is against you, and as long as the bitch has a brain, she will have the upper hand.
>>523975129No, I just think you're not human and I should be able to kill you. We believe the same things.
>>523975145Social Contract is the gayest liberal bullshit premise ever. It basically boils down to>yes I get to tax the ever living bullshit out of you, deny you your rights on a whim, and tell you that you can't argue against any of this because fuck you social contract pay up piggy now go to war with the country your politicians pissed off
>>523972772The fuck is "unborn baby"
>>523975107This is a dumb tangent because the social contract and citizenship rights nullifies any of this gray area.
>>523975161Skill issue. Just don't be retarded with mate selection.>>523975162Once again, skill issue. You're crying that dumb and weak men can't achieve good outcomes. I say, good!
>>523975173I believe sentient nonhumans deserve moral consideration too.
>>523975145It's the reason you don't get murdered every time you walk outside.
>>523975232Okay so how do you know what is sentient and what is not? Did you ask them or something?
>>523975194It's literally the basic concept behind any society ever. If you're denying this basic shit then you're denying civilization altogether.
>>523975251That has nothing to do with my question, retard. Try reading it again and answering it. Where is this contract written? Who decides what's in it? How does that support anything you're saying? Fucking retard cunt.
>>523975207The "social contract" is gay bullshit. Now make an actual argument in favor of abortion that isn't>it can feel anything so it's okay to kill it :^)Because that makes it okay to kill you in your sleep.
>>523975199It's a baby that isn't born yet. You do know that passing through the vaginal canal doesn't magically transform you, yes?It's the exact same being before and after.
>>523975287Here you go, buddy!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
>>523975304Then why can't you define it clearly and completely?
>>523975328>>523975304Read this very, very carefully. It should answer your question and then some! :D
>>523975213The only person crying and coping here is you.The fuck does "mate selection" have to do with the fact that current laws are unsustainable and will eventually inevitably lead to social collapse?
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>>523975358Once again, if you're unconscious you're not sentient by the scientific method. Fuck, you are extremely stupid.
>>523974524So you postulate a magical social contract that does some of the work you need it to. But it doesn't do enough. For what about outgroups that don't belong to your society and thus haven't signed the social contract? You might say that killing them would be bad because you're inflicting suffering upon a sentient being. But then it'd be okay to kill the person in their sleep or in a coma.The social contract doesn't do enough work for you unless you stipulate that every human being except for fetuses are part of it. And then it's not an argument, just an arbitrary stipulation.
>>523975382You continue to fail to answer these basic questions.
>>523975358Well, I used the scientific method and proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that fetuses have nervous systems and can react to stimuli.Check mate, buddy.
>>523975401Would it be accurate to call Wilt Chamberlain a short man when he was sitting down?
>>523975213Yeah, when a meteor hit the earth, wiping out the dinosaurs, that was also a skill issue, after all, some species survived. Doesn't mean the issue of a meteor hitting earth didn't happen.You retarded fucking buffoon. Given how stupid you are you definitely won't be one of the men making the best of the situation, btw.
>>523975396>11 pbtid brainlet plebbitard Bot Shill
>>523975429Not within the first few weeks.
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>>523972706desu i would allow abortion but only once a year. Unless the fetus would put the mom's life at danger or have some defect. If you don't want babies just use condoms or don't have sex.>but muh condom not perfect defenseyes but hoes don't even attempt to use condoms, at least they should attempt to stop baby from creation and not scrap it out afterwards
>>523975431If he is in a coma until he dies is he still a basketball player or is he a former basketball player?
>>523975470>12 pbtid>C--------------- >>523975449
>>523972706That is why vegans should eat chicken eggs. Eggs are not sentient beings and should be treated as plants.
>>523975522H
>>523975524Vegans have more consideration for unfertilized chicken eggs than they do for fetuses. Allow the lavatory to come in through the doorway.
>>523975524Vegans should also drink sperm by the same reasoning.
>>523975521There are living non-comatose people who qualify as former basketball playersObviously he wouldn't be on the roster Maybe he's be a free agent
>>523975538>13 pbtid>H----------- >>523975449
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>>523975524If they purchased it from a factory farm system, then no, since they're directly paying for violence against sentient beings.If it was just randomly laying on the ground in some hypothetical situation by a wild bird, then yeah.
>>523972706if you crash your car, and demonstrate you are shit at driving, then you are punished for it. Treated with disdain and suffer financial consequences for being a retard.If you get pregnant 'accidentally' and demonstrate that you are shit at life then...
>>523975452If you mean the first four weeks, then that's a hardcore pro-life stance, btw.
>>523975713No one's stopping you from treating someone who got an abortion with disdain in this scenario. That is your prerogative.
>>523975744yeah 'bout that
>>523975713>Treated with disdain and suffer financial consequencesNo, killing someone with a car is typically a criminal case that can lead to jail time.
>>523975441This is the impotent rage of a useless man who doesn't have the brains or the power necessary to protect his spawn.
>>523975818I didn't say killing someone with a car, just crashing it. Really it doesn't matter what anaolgy you use, if you fuck up then you take responsibility. And getting pregnant accidentally is a huge fuck up, even if we just view it from a cold and calculating perspective of time management.
>>523975790Crown me God-Emperor and you shall have your rights restoredI will grant you safe passage through the wastelandThere will be an end to the horror
>>523975728Not hardcore for /pol/, or for America.
>>523975861sure, whatever, but you are still wrong about them being protected for their mistakes.
>>523975883You're the one that wants to place artificial punishments on them. If they crash their car that is an obvious physical act of destruction that they have to clean up, financial loss, etc. I haven't argued that taxpayer dollars should pay for abortions either, so there's that.
Go to the beach and sunbathe without protection, get cancer, guess what? You''re retarded.Fuck some rando without protection, get pregnant, guess what? You're retarded.
>>523975934I don't see the relevance of this line of thought.You're allowed to think they're retarded.
>>523975931>that they have to clean upno, someone else has to clean it up, but they pay for it personally though a fucked up insurance premium and credit score hit, points on licence and so on. Self inflicted abortionists should get a black dot burned on their forehead for each one they get.
>>523975934>>523975948The equivocal thing here would you be saying that they have to forego cancer treatment, and they have to die of cancer, or else they're going to prison or something.
>>523975649>14 pbtid midwitmalding btfobot 'reeeEEEEEEEEeEEEEE'>I----------- >>523975449
>>523975948of course you don't get it, you're an idiot
>>523975856No it's just someone calling you a clown because you're a clown. And you instead of facing the issue, choose to avoid it by pretending i am just calling you a clown because i happened to hate some random retard on 4chan, instead of it being a genuine attempt to help you see your folly.But that's how clowns behave. So, it's not surprising. I would wish you good luck, but that most likely won't help you.
>>523975984it's just a clump of cells bro, just get a doctor to remove it bro. You understand that you can die in childbirth don't you? You understand that STDs can be life threatening don't you?
>>523972706It's still murder thoI dont give a shit about muh human rights but killing a fetus is still murder no matter how the feminists try and spin it
>>523975977Why? Once again, you're just adding artificial punishments because you hate them for being "degenerate" or whatever. They haven't harmed any sentient beings. They haven't violated the rights of any citizens. Whether you like it or not.
>>523976034Damn, you're really bitching out over this now. Did this trigger some resentful memory of a specific woman or something?
>>523976076I'm not saying that they shouldn't have abortion as an options, what I'm saying is it should be viewed as a BIG TIME fuck up. And it's not currently viewed that way.
>>523976104If having a baby is going to wreck you life, then don't have sex. If you don't want to play they game, then don't roll the dice. Simple as
>>523976110>what I'm saying is it should be viewed as a BIG TIME fuck up.You haven't backed up why that is, except your personal feelings on the matter.
>>523976143Why? Once again, it isn't a sentient being. And once again, it isn't violating the rights of any citizen. So who gives a fuck?
>>523972791Edgy
>>523976144You get called a misogynist, an incel, an oppressor of women's liberty if you so much as frown at some dappy cunt who is skipping to the abortion clinic for the 5th time in as many years.If you are going to deny this, then we are clearly not communicating on a level of mutual respect, and we are done.
>>523976188never made a claim either way, check your fucking circuits robokike
>>523972706ok, same with niggers. Deal?
>>523976218Cancel culture is a completely separate topic.Total non-sequitur.
>>523976290Niggers are sentient. Sentient doesn't mean intelligent. Animals are sentient too.
>>523975856>or the powerYou don't have any power. They'll throw you in prison regardless of your muh nigger balls. FYI.
>>523976317bleep bloopIt's more fundamental than cancel culture, as I have posted an example earlier, you get arrested and charged for doing it, even implying that you are doing it by silently standing there.
>>523975878America has (or had until recently) the laxest abortion laws in the world.A four week limit would make it one of the strictest in the world.
>>523972706OPs are not sapient beings and thus do not deserve moral consideration.Go directly to Auschwitz.
>>523976377Okay, well I oppose that. It's still a completely unrelated issue. Make me God-Emperor and the entire West will have a 1st and 2nd Amendment.
>>523976424how about I make you into a lampshade
>>523976076An unborn fetus is a citizen tho.If you don't believe me, then try killing one without the consent of the woman and see what comes about.
>>523976398I didn't necessarily agree that 4 weeks is the sentience cutoff.
>>523976342niggers aren't sentient, they are automata
>>523976342White unborn babies are more sentient than adult niggers tho.(This is an undeniable scientific fact btw, don't try to argue.)
>>523972706>I should be able to kill children in order to skirt responsibility for my piss poor decision makingAnd you should be hanged for murder.
>>523976405>Go directly to Auschwitz.Ooh, do I get to play on the soccer team?Or do I get to play in the orchestra?Are those...heated beds???Oh Mr. Hitler, you shouldn't have!
>>523976453Doesn't matter if you agree. That's the scientific fact as proved by science.
They are human life with the full potential of it, just stop having irresponsible sex and pretending that all the negatives of abortion don't exist. It really is that simple.
>>523976446It doesn't have a social security number. Check mate. >>523976442It's all ogre now>>523976495Bro, you live in FinlandI have way more experience with niggers than you do>>523976505This isn't true, but regardless I've already acknowledged that the fetus becomes sentient at a certain point, and that a newborn baby is obviously sentient
>>523976538Ooh, are you a scientist? Fancy!
>>523976542>They are human life with the full potential of itSo is every sperm and every egg right now. It is your moral imperative from BIG DADDY YAHWEH himself that you need to be fucking every minute of every day, or else potential human life could be going to waste! Get off the internet and make more wage slaves now, goy!
>>523976542>>523976715Think of all the potential human beings you're not creating right now! By not creating them, you're essentially killing them, removing them from potential existence, depriving them of a sentient existence they would have in the future! Make more babies, damn it!
>>523975335Only after you are born you get separated from mother, and you become you And if you are religious (retarded), only after passing through birth canal you get a "soul"
>>523976290>Finland flagin the United States almost half of officially-performed/recorded abortions are black
>>523972706same applies to OP,thougheverbeit
>>523977115Only applies if I'm a bot. But I'm human...aren't I???
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>>523972706A fetus is as sentient as you, asleep.
>>523973391He's not. You are simply a moron.progressive fucktard
>>523972706>present unsubstantiated premise with no evidence>draw equally baseless conclusionMidwit
>>523978126you are confusing sentience with self-awareness.Fuck you nigger kike.
>>523972706Probably correct, but it's not certain when consciousness is acquired. I wouldn't make this argument because i don't value consciousness inherently.
All jews are child torturers.Many jews are child murderers and almostvall complicit in child murder.Almost all are child molesters and or rapists.Just don't touch human life, nigger.
>>523978500This is more intellectualy honest. But like with your boyfriend, you are too soft.
>>523972706Now do the same but for Africans, middle-easterners and everyone from the Indian subcontinent. Why are we paying welfare to people who aren't sentient beings?
>>523972772murdering*
>>523972953>>523973105>>523973170>>523973348Only based ancap I've ever seen.
>>523972706>Fetuses aren't sentient beings and thus don't deserve moral consideration.So why is killing jeets, gypsies and niggers illegal?
>>523977456science cannot replicate a healthy human beinggod gives a woman a short window where she has a real functioning replicator of human beings nestled in her bellyabortion argument is just a sinister way of cutting that womans window short so she joins the rest of the sterile crabs in the bucket of spite
>>523972706>65 posts by this retarded frogposting nigger faggot
>>523972820>before they've developed the capacity for awarenessYou don't seem fully aware. What should be done to you?
>>523972706Abortion is wrong from secular perspective too>the pre born aren't conscious and abortion isn't immoral until the 2nd or third trimesterNope.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9ohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOchttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VIwWhdvrYREThe earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltageslow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yeshttps://www.dominionmovement.com/watchhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ugWMVqkRuj4
Nintendo games are for fetuses, and fetuses are not people so it's okay to haze them.
>>523976715>So is every sperm and every egg right now.No, idiot. Sperm and eggs are not a human life before fertilization. After that, they are with a new and unique set of DNA. And your initial premise of sentience is irrelevant because that's not the argument being made by anyone except libtarded faggots.
>>523976538>PROVED by SCIENCEHoly heck then it must be the only possibility. No study ever had conflicting evidence found elsewhere or became outdated. It's a FACT YOU BIGOT
