Sex work is not workMarxists take a stand against prostitution https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lbM8IoVo_NI
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>>523975708nice but entirely dependent on perspective and focus, nothimg more than a temporary delight, quickly satiated and equally fast forgotten, like braps smelled in the rain
>>523975708I want her to shove those flowers up her arse and fart the petals out like buttercup confetti.
>>523975708tick magnet
>>523975708Lindsey Capuano
>>523975708>*takes a bite*
>>523975708I would work that ass
>>523975708I need to impregnate her
>>523975986Yes, BIG BVLLGARYAN COCK.Send her my way, I'll handle her.
>>523975708Marxist here. It's true. "Sex work" is an exploitation of women. By not giving them fair opportunity and equal treatment in education, skills and jobs, by not giving them equal pay, by burdening them with house work, children work and everything in between, patriarchal society have forced them to sell their bodies to make money. No woman will willingly sell their bodies online or offline if they were given better opportunities and fairness in the real world.
>>523975708Only american and some western euro "marxists" claim sex work is work.
>>523976394Unfortunately plenty of already well off women in the west sell themselves on only fans and other sites like that but that has nothing to do with marxism it just capitalism taken to it's extreme.
>>523975708>Marxists take a stand against prostitution>Marxists>PluralIt's one guy, and a guy seen as the sole representative of his own kooky take on Maoism by Marxists in general. Modern marxists tend to overwhelmingly view sex work as actual work, whether they agree it's good or not varies by person, most are either positive or ambivalent towards it.
>>523976659And that’s why sex work is allowed in DPRK. Right?
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>>523976693DPRK isn't Marxist. It isn't even communist. Hell, it's not even socialist. >inb4 muh not real communismsThey also claim to be democratic. Communism has no state, no money, no class. As per marxist theory. Saying you're a commie and then being north korea is like saying you're a pacifist and then shooting someone; doesn't make you a pacifist
>>523975708Kek, fucking retarded Marxist (I know; tautology) thinks he's arguing against prostitution but is actually just arguing against slavery, coercion and dangerous working conditions. The same logic can be applied to any industry, but he feels compelled to single out prostitution to burnish his Marxist credentials, because women are society's victims in his eyes, and he gets to virtue signal to the other Marxist retards.Unlike a Christian conservative, who will simply state outright (and correctly) that it is a grave sin and terrible for the moral fabric of society, this Marxist idiot gives no valid criticism of prostitution at all (because he actually can't). He has no issue with the hypothetical case of a woman who wishes to engage in sex work absent of any financial or other coercion, and who can do so in complete safety, taking home 100% of her pay.Because Marxists (and leftist/progressives in general) can't into logic, he thinks he's arguing against prostitution, but isn't. What a fucking idiotic Marxist faggot (again I know; tautology)
>>523976814This. China, (((Russia))), North Korea are not communists. Closest one is China which has socialism. But all of them are under fascist state and under fascist dictatorship. But we also cannot achieve communism with a stroke of a pen. It takes time and people to realize they are being exploited by the powerful and wealthy, including those who claim to be their "communist" leaders. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
>>523976814dprk is a fascist state, just with more gender equality.
>>523975708Would sniff / 10
>>523976394Absent any outside factors, like those you have mentioned, if a woman did 'sex work' because she wanted to, do you have any issue with that?
>>523976814Go back to class, idiot.Marx himself wasn't a marxist under your definitions.Every society that donned the red flag furiously banned prostitution and put prostitutes, nuns, and homemakers in re-education camps where they taught them to sew if they were on good behavior or to work the fucking mines.Rampant prostitution is a symptom of a rotting society where a working-class man cannot get a wife, and the only way Red societies knew hoe to fix that was fo make women work even less-paying jobs on pain of having to do the same jobs as the men, which no woman actually wants to do.When you claim marxists are positive toward sex work, it's WHITE WESTERN "MARXISTS" that are in favor: the orbiting-beta incels that allowed Iryna to get murdered by their pet white-hating nigger while tbey jerk off to the idea that if they score enough good ally points, the fat green-haired dyke from their marxist merts will give them a pity handjob with her meaty paws
>>523977038Only Western liberal women think they want to sell their nudes on the internet and celebrate it as real work. Those are the ones who are advocating for sex work as real work. They don't know the suffering of real "sex workers" in other countries. They don't even know the struggle of regular women. OP's video talks about this.
I would impregnate her asshole so badly, she would give a birth to two jeets and a nigger
>>523975708>provide service using your labour>people are willing to pay for it>not workYou may not like it, you may think it's icky or that it should be illegal but that doesn't make it not work.
>>523977244Answer my question: Absent those unpleasant factors, and with full insight and ability to consent, do you object to a woman being a prostitute?OP's video claims to be arguing against sex work. I will point out, again, that it is only arguing against negative social and economic environments that make women feel compelled to take up sex work, and against the dangerous working environment. It is not arguing against sex work.So, answer my question.
>>523976814>Communism has no stateHow exactly do you enforce communism without a state?Obviously humans are not a hive mind so what happens when someone doesn't want to live under communism? Communism is an inherently authoritarian (if not totalitarian) ideology.
>>523977272wow thats 2 jeets more than usual for poles
>>523975708Somehow zoomer girls make their bodies look disgusting. Thats fucking gross.
>>523977476If some women really enjoy it and do it willingly then yes, it is real work. But it only apply to those particular women. But again, consent can be manufactured. And you already know this.
>>523975708No it absolutely is workhow can you even argue otherwise? it's something they physically do in exchange for moneyevery type of juggling balls on a street corner counts as work if you collect moneythat doesn't mean we have to have any respect for it, but don't be a fucking obtuse moron
>>523977038Your post is a bit of a non-Sequitur. Marxists oppose all forms of currency so trading sex for currency wouldn’t exist under full communism in the same way actual trades ie butchers, construction workers, etc would need to exist because the commoditization of the body wouldn’t.
>>523977613Yes, but I said absent of the kind of negative factors that you and the video are talking about. One of which is 'manufactured consent'. And you know that.So, to summarise your position, you disagree with the video title that states 'Sex Work Is Not Work'. As long as the right conditions are met, it's actually fine with you.
>>523975708Oh fuck sex advertising is allowed but only if it's disingenious.If the political elements advertise like this they should be banned like the real porn advertisers, except the real porn advertisers had truth going their way.
>>523977571>How exactly do you enforce communism without a state?If you were actually interested, you'd read political theory instead of asking this as a gotcha question on 4chan, knowing that 2000 characters is nowhere near enough to answer you. The answers to these questions are complicated, and there's like 150 years of political theory written by dozens of people that you could look up on Marxist internet archive or just by, you know, googling that shit.
>>523977800Right, so the problem is not with 'sex work' in and off itself? That's the point I'm making. Thanks.
>>523977803It is not a real a real work. Just like blacks selling crack is not a real work. Some might think it is. Some even get insanely rich from it, but it is not a real work. Most Women are forced into prostitution by social-economical factors, just like those black people from ghettos.
>>523977914Brother I am not reading marxoid mental diarrhea.If your ideology cannot be explained in a 4chan post, it is a retarded ideology.Marxists are inherently authoritarian, that is a fact. They need a strong state to steal and redistribute resources, and a strong state to maintain the new status quo.
>>523978007“Could you have a four sided- circle?”This is how you’re acting in this thread. It’s not about deviancy or degeneracy. It just wouldn’t be possible to sell your body in a system where currency doesn’t exist.
>>523978043>Brother I am not reading marxoid mental diarrhea.Then don't expect me to bother writing you any, you're wasting both of our time by having me write a fucking novel to an illiterate.
>>523978022You're dodging my question. I'm not talking about a situation in which a woman is forced or coerced. Nor a situation where she is in danger. Nor a situation whet a pimp takes a cut. I'm saying, absent of those aspects you find disagreeable (those I have mentioned and any others I have neglected to mention), do you have a problem with a woman happily and safely engaging in sex work?
>>523976394>No woman will willingly sell their bodies online or offline if they were given better opportunities and fairness in the real world.Communists are too stupid to understand human nature and what men and women want. Some women enjoy sex work as a profession and for all the attention, perks and satisfaction it brings. Who are you to speak on their behalf or worse, use force to stop them? Commies, feminists, tradcons, all equally evil on this issue.
>>523978160Well, what kind of mental gymnastics would you use?>uhmm actually this entity that regulates and controls the population and works exaclty like a state is not one because we call it something else
>>523978132You couldn't exchange sex for a loaf of bread? Shut the fuck up, smooth brain.
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>>523978246“Everyone according to their needs” - full conmunism means all needs are met including food Your nonsensical posts are entirely what ifs anyway because 99% of sex workers wouldn’t do it if they had better occupations available to them.
Fuck it, I'll weigh in as an ancom.All work is exploitative. Sex work is no different from any other job. There is nothing special about sex that makes it any different from, say, cleaning toilets. Someone's got to clean the toilets, and someone's got to keep the incels from going insane from lack of touch. If people are willing to do the job, their labor should be respected.
actually, yes, women DO owe me sex
>>523978209To put it VERY shortly and dumbed down to the point you maybe able to comprehend it: Most Marxist theory suggest that after the dissolution of the state, local communities the on the administrative roles themselves as a collaborative effort, and form decentralized democracies. Absence of state is not the absence of organisation.
>>523978434You don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the argument. I have presented a hypothetical situation in order to point out that the objections given have nothing to do with the concept of selling sex. Please tell me where in the video the author gives a single criticism of the concept of selling sex? He only complains about women feeling compelled to work, doing something they don't want to, being in danger, having their earnings garnished etc. These are standard Marxist complaints, yes, but they are GENERALISED, and apply to all forms of labour, such as working in a dangerous mine for a fat-cat owner because you have no other choice other than starvation.Not a single one of his objections is specific to sex work and, were all things he objects to eliminated, he would have no objection to sex work.The fact that you cannot understand that this guy gives no argument against sex work, only the certain conditions that we currently find it manifesting under, it shocking to me.Please, don't reproduce.
>>523978692> I have presented a hypothetical situation in order to point out that the objections given have nothing to do with the concept of selling sexYou know what? Sex work IS deviant. It is degenerate and a social ill. Only Fascist states like the one in Kiev tend to promote prostitution. So yes, however you word it it is wrong
>>523978536>local communities the on the administrative rolesIf those administrative roles mean authority over individuals without mutual consent, you have a state.>democraciesSo, rule of the many over the few. That's a good way of overriding the consent of the individual and justifying your state control.Question:In such a system would a group of people be allowed to freely move to the wilderness and build their own private community/capitalist society?
>>523978179>>523978174already answered >>523977613>If some women really enjoy it and do it willingly then yes, it is real work. >But it only apply to those particular women.
>>523978160>the centralized control and distribution of resources>won't require an authority and force>to maintain centralized control and distribution of resourceswhat did you mean by this?
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>>523978160If you can't describe your ideology in 1 sentece, 2 if I'm being lenient, it is bogus. You need "150 years of political theory" so that your ideology can attack self-made strawmen in a fashion complicated enough so that abject retards such as you won't notice that you are in fact attacking non-existent ideological problems.>>523977203Unlike you, I was born under communism, my ancestors fought against it and for it, and I grew up with what it means to ditch the Communist Party in favor of a western-style plurality.The biggest marxists to walk this earth stuck prostitutes in labor camps where they were taught a trade at gunpoint, so you can cut off your HRT-sterilized balls and hang yourself, asscuntRead here >>523976541, >>523977203
>>523978744100% correct. I'm not defending prostitution, I'm pointing out that commies can't into logic, and that's why they're commies.
>>523976394You’ve completely missed the point. Whoring and addiction don’t magically disappear in the absence of capitalism you fart brain.
>>523979043Cool, so you have no issue with the concept of sex work. That's what I was saying. Same applies for the author of the video. He claims he's against sex work, but actually isn't, so his chiding and counter-signalling of those degenerates who justify it (which is the intention of his video) is dishonest. That's my point.Because he is a Marxist he can't apply logic and is inherently dishonest.
Bye bye, Marxists.The sad thing is, there will be no reflection on how easy it was to argue against them or how poor they are at logic and general comprehension. They'll just erase the interactions from their minds and continue with their delusions.
>>523979630Whoring and addictions are symptoms of the problem caused by capitalism. Mainly poverty, socio-economic and psychological issues created by it.
>>523976394leftists always find excvuses for evil parasitesthey do sex work because its easy and brings a shitton of money. women arn't the exploited. they re the exploiters.
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>>523976394Actually with all the opportunities offered women they'd still choose prostitution because it's easy
>>523979554Does it matter why people hate sex work just that they oppose it?
>>523979679Some men enjoy inserting BBC dildos in their ass. That doesn’t mean it is a normal thing. They are BBC loving faggots and should be outed as such even though they try to normalize it. Same with Western liberal women. Them saying “sex work is real work” doesn’t mean it is. Just because they love sleeping around with people and even make money off them it doesn’t mean it should be normalized.
>>523981262ahh but you are forgetting the womans right to decide in 10 years that she regrets doing it and now feels exploited. women can choose to become the victim at any time for any reason they like and you aren't allowed to disagree with them.
>>523981336Read my other comment. Blacks in the ghettos seem like they choose to sell crack because it’s easy for them. But they do it because they don’t have any other option. Even whites, Asians, Latinos etc in the ghettos do it. And you know it.
>>523981414100% agree. But Marxists have no argument against it. The faggot in the video claims he has an objection to it, but his position is the same as the people he criticises. He has no actual objection to sex work.
>>523981338It's good for people to oppose it. But the guy in the video doesn't oppose it (nor do the faggot Marxists in this thread). Remove all the things he complains about (compulsion, violence, pimps taking a cut) and he'd be fine with it.
>>523981651Glad you understand. >>523981743You are repeating yourself again. Exception isn’t the rule. Being okay with few people inserting dildos up their ass doesn’t mean agreeing to normalize it. Those few can do whatever they want. The video maker is telling those dildo faggots not to normalize it. You are failing to understand the core subject and what he is saying. He isn’t talking to you. He is talking to western liberal women.
>>523981419Well the reality is that women are too stupid and capricious to actually make good decisions for themselves hence why they are better off as property, and all modern misery and tragedy emerges from the fact we have been forced by kikes to schizophrenically ignore their incompetent nature but also give them personhood.
>>523982428No, it is you is agreeing with me. I have reiterated what my original point was; the point that you started off arguing against. I have explained my original position, in answer to your objections, and you have realised that you actually do agree with me and the point I was making. Glad you understand.
>>523981743>>Remove all the things he complains about (compulsion, violence, pimps taking a cut) and he'd be fine with it.So basically remove 99% of what current prostitution is like and he would be fine with some hypothetical form of non-compulsory prostitution which largely exists in your own head?
>>523977609lmao
>>523975708I literally just want to be able to say nigger in video games without repercussion. Everything else does not matter because it starts with being able to say nigger.
>>523982646No, he lists his objections, which are all unrelated to the concept of sex work.Let's do a little thought experiment.Workers in a factory, say. The workers feel compelled to work due to environmental circumstances (poverty, say). The working conditions are dangerous. They have no say in their work. The factory has an owner who garner the fruits of their labourer.Now, is the Marxist against people working in a factory? What about a factory they own? A safe working environment? They don't feel compelled to work there. They get 100% of the fruits of their labour. All other Marxist objections satisfied. Fine, now, yes?So, the Marxist isn't against people working in a factory.The same applies here. Remove all the aspects he dislikes, all of which can apply to other forms of labour, such as working in a factory (economic coercion, danger, wage theft etc) and sex work is now also fine.This guy in the video has no issue with sex work; he just has an issue with the way in which it operates currently. Reform it like a factory, and it's all good.Do you understand what I'm saying?
>>523975708name?
>>523983052Nevermind bros I found her, Lindsay Capuano
>>523982759Yep, just like if you were to try and remove all the confounding objections I list in >>523983030 to factory work.Marxism or anything approaching it cannot ever be realised. But acting like you don't understand what logic is, and the fact that the guy isn't against sex work, rather the conditions most sex workers find themselves in, is not an argument. You are dumb.
>>523975708My BWC will take care of her.
>>523976394Hahaha "powerful women" suck dicks and get fucked. Managers don't do shit.
>>523983216Lmao the retards here are simping over silicon implants.
>>523976906How come prostitutes are more widespread in christian capitalist nations than Atheist communist nations?
It's Saturday afternoon and I have plans, so this will have to be my last post.I will reiterate to >>523982428 that the liberal's issues with prostitution are coercion (goes against free will and autonomy), danger (goes against anti-harm and bodily integrity), pimps taking a cut (unfair seizure of property, say) amongst others and, if all those issues can be solved, then their philosophy compel them to be fine with sex work. The same applies to the Marxists, with a few differences in the reasons for their objections. But, again, remove the objections and the Marxist has no argument against the principle of sex work. The guy in the video chastises liberal's without realising that his philosophy leads to the same end result. With regards to this faggot's >>523982759 '99% of sex workers are under these conditions' argument that I couldn't be bothered to answer before, that could have been said of factory workers, too--that 99% are economically coerced, have dangerous conditions, lose a portion of their pay etc. But, Marxists aren't against factory work. This faggot actually used an anti-Marxist argument of a safe and fair workplace being ridiculous and just something in one's head. Nice one, Mr Capitalist.And, lastly, in a Marxist society there would be..... No economic coercionNo violence against womenAll earned income going to the workerSo that all objections are eliminated, and the Marxist has no argument left against the notion of a woman who wants to do sex work doing so. They can't even use the chauvinist argument that they just 'know' no woman would want to do it. The path must, in fact, remain open for those who wish to do so, by their own philosophy.Anyway, as I say, I must stop posting and leave. Have a good afternoon, gentlemen.
>>523978536> have no centralized states>various bickering encampments of commieshits>neighboring centralized state comes in and rapes youCommunism of any kind is useless fantasy, designed primarily to make midwits feel enlightened
>>523985289I don't imagine actually true, given the amount of starvation, bread lines, famine etc that happen in communist societies compared to western Christian ones, but the point I was making is that the Christian ones oppose prostitution but commie ones must, by their standards, allow the option for women to do it. See >>523985609Now, I must go, unfortunately (but I enjoy these discussions).Goodbye.
>>523977272I'm stealing this joke
