How comes that nobody ever told me the WW1 Allies occupied Costantinopole in 1919 and for 4 years straight ? They divided it into occupation zones like Berlin in 1945.Is this the Mandela effect ? We vindicated 1453 in 1919 and we still handed over Costantinopole to the Turks ? Hell, why ? Why being so civilizationally blind ?Is this a simulation and the simulator keep adding informations that did not exist before ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Istanbul
>>524051795Kys white boy
>>524051795>Is this the Mandela effect ?Read a book, nigger.
>>524051795Turks won. Deal with it whitey
>>524051795France immediately sent Senegalese troops to occupy Costantinopole. Judeomasonic France obsession for filling up every square meter of territory it owns with congoids is old.
>>524051795Ataturd won by sacrificing Ankara children to moloch
>>524051795>How comes that nobody ever told methey did
>>524052002The Ottoman Empire was dismembered and cut up like a wedding cake. Turks lost 85% of their territory, but because they retained their capitol city they "won." This is, apparently, what this nigger thinks.
>>524051990A book written when ? By whom ? Did that book exist 10 years ago ? It doesn't matter if 'it is in the archive'. Maybe it wasn't in the archive 10 years ago because it did not exist.It can legitimately be a glitch in the simulation and my brain was not updated with it.
>>524052217Come on, liberation of Costantinopole after almost 500 years, and that is not in the collective memory ? Even without the simulation stuff, that's weird as hell.
>>524051795So basically After the war Britain and France were exhausted and Just let the Greeks have a tone of shit in what is now western Greece. The Greeks However got raped by Mustafa Kamal the Turkish leader. With that being the case holding Constantinople although possible was pointless and we left and the Greeks couldn't hold it.
>>524052217Altho you can not assert that books always tell you the truth, on one thing can you depend. Once published a book can not be altered, unlike things posted to the internet.
>>524052376You stopped supplying us when we were in Ankara, this war was a crime it's not man against man
>>524051795Yes? People usually only know about the crusaders pillaging Constantinople. There's massive holes in people's knowledge of history, especially the European one.
>>524052217That's because Western conservatives like leaving this fact out. Their countries were White and conservative at the time, but they let it happen, so they can't reconcile this with the propaganda they shovel to people. It's really simple. It is learned in school, but it is nowhere near as popularized or mentioned as some other historical aspects of Constantinople. It's like when the Russians claim Kherson is theirs, but Greece has more claim to it than they do.
>>524052376The UK and the French allowed the Turks to pogrom the Greeks. The Ottomans allowed a lot of Muslim pogroms to happen in Europe too. These empires don't give a fuck about the people, nations, culture.
>>524052808It's not our fucking job to reconquer Anatolia for the Greeks. We gave them a fighting chance which they proceeded to throw away like the pathetic Ottoman rape babies they are. Achilles and Alexander would spit on you modern Greeks.
>>524053514Leonidas lost, you always forget the Spartans lost thermopylae
>>524051795Congratulations you attended special ed.
>>524053588I didn't even mention Leonidas so I don't know where that's coming from. And while the Battle of Thermopylae was a crushing defeat, the Greek coalition ultimately won the war. Those brave men stood their ground and eventually conquered the Achaemenid Empire, which at the time was the largest empire around.Modern Greeks couldn't even defeat the Ottoman Empire which had been crumbling for centuries and was on the verge of collapse.
>>524053733>memeflag insulting people for their country while hiding their ownI can hardly think of anything more pathetic.
>>524053769You mentioned Achilles, he died in battle! The coalition won the war cause for every thermopylae there's a salamis. For every Mesologi there's a Navarino. That shit didn't happen this time.
>>524051795Because the Greeks had to be retarded af and attack Turkey when they had already won fucking everything.
the goal of ww1 in mena was simply to dismantle the turk empire and get them out of palestine and surrounding areas.
>>524053972Notice how there wasn't some grand hurrah, like oh the middle east is finally christian again! They gave it to the jews straight up.
>>524053514Anatolia!=Costantinopole.You cannot say it isn't strategic, since it is on the top 5 list of the most strategic chokepoints in the world.If you are still owning Gibraltar and you used to own Singapore and Hong Kong, why leaving so easily Costantinopole ?That's not organic.I smell a Jewish intervention.
>>524053514The only reason Britain exists today is Greece. Greece was ready and willing to join the Axis when Hitler offered, but BRIT JEWS sent an assassin to kill Greek leader, switched sides to allies and rest is history. Nazi's lost the War in Epirus Mountains not Stalingrad.What would you know anyway, your just some Paki MOOSELUMB living in some slum in Londinistan anyway
>>524054002yes, that was basically the end goal of it all, along with getting all those oil rich areas as allies.
>>524051990lmfao
>>524052118American schools don't teach WW1
>>524054024You're from Germany, why the fuck did you have a memeflag on in the first place? If you were from India or Israel I would at least understand it.
>>524051795>why didn't ((("school"))) teach me about actual history?because teaching you about a hoax that never happened called the holocaust in order to brainwash you into worshipping and serving KIKES was their only goal, you dipnigger dipshit diofaggot fuckinf retarded cocksucker, grow a fucking brain
What do you niggers have to do with Constantinople, why obsess over it so much?You faggots supported turks against greeks, and against us all the time. Stop crying about it, shut up, face the consequences of your rattish betraying nature and go extinct already. Faggots.
>>524051795Russia was meant to be given it but the revolution broke out and they didnt occupy it because gommunism
>>524054227Even if they kept it somehow, they'd have made it an international straits comission, they would turn it homosexual somehow
Lots of lesser known Greek history because westerners don’t give af about Christian Greece. Like the time when a bunch of commies turned their guns against the British before WW2 even ended in 1944.
>>524054227In hindsight, our participation in the Crimean War was regrettable though understandable. Preventing the Russian Empire from taking over the lands of the Ottoman Empire was presumably a necessary goal at the time, with the unfortunate consequence that it means that land is now in muslim hands even in the present day.I still hope that one day Anatolia will be reconquered and turned into something like Israel but for Christians. A land for Christians of all nations to live in.
>>524054026>I smell a Jewish intervention.This can be a working hypothesis: 1. the young turks were dunmeh or crypto/actual jews. 2. the jews decided that western reconquest of Costantinopole would have seen as a white/christian civilizational victory and that was not the kind of world the jews were reshaping3. giving Costantinpole to the dunmeh would have demoralized whites and would have secured a strategic in the hands of ethnic/crypto jews
>>524054506Didn't the soviet union support Kemal at the time?
The Turks weren't defeatist cucks like Goymany. Turkish nationalists tore up the treaty of sevres and begin to assrape the dogmenians and gayreeks to death.
>>524051795No, like with most things the glowies cover up the weakness, retardation and evil of islam the most.Hence the insistence on focussing on the eternal decoy: the jews.
>>524054663The Turks were right about one thing, if you kill your enemies you win. Watch how the Armenians now seek rapproachment with Turkey, you could kick a guy in the nuts and he'd be apologizing to you given enough time
>>524052030They did this in the rhineland too
>>524054506This occupation of Costantinopole sounds syntetic and inorganic. Almost a thing forced on otherwise uninterested western powers. It reminds me of the British conquest of Jerusalem during WW1. No civilizational vibe, no celebration, no emotion, no nothing. Almost an administrative act. Just the goyim golems preparing the ground for the future jewsh state. Not a Europan thing in the slightest.IMO this lack of long historical depth/perspective/memory can only be the work of the Jews behind the scenes.
>>524052261It was liberated by masonic liberals. There is no cause for celebration
>>524054506>"hey goyim you are not there to avenge 1453 LMAO, you are just there to create a jewish state in the Levant. Good goyim."I have almost the physical impression of hearing (((them))) saying them.
>>524055005Exactly. But Costantinopole was still strategic.I have the impression that it was abandoned on purpose in order to avoid to concede a civilizational victory the for the pre-judeomasonic Europe.
>>524054821fucking lol dude you are sperging like you a marvel fag.>insert basedjak face.the occupation of constantinople was due to the monarch giving it away. that is the main reason he got overthrown since he was a traitor. he also wrote a letter to the british asking for their protection since the rest of the country wasnt taking him seriously. he literally asked to be moved out because he was not in control of anything and was only the head of the state in name. >picrelated.
>>524054227Yeah, but in that case Costantinopole was actually retaken, it was not a pipe dream. And it was occupied for 5 years. 5 years is longer than the duration of WW1.Giving it away like that has no rational explanations if you reason in strategic or civilizational terms.So, it must have been the jews, at some level.
I forget if it was the British or the French but one of them tried to make America run a protectorate of Constantinople because they were too busy with their own shit.
>>524055581I am not questioning how Costantinopole was retaken. I am questioning why it was handed over again to the Turks and why this 5 years long occupation was completely memory-holed in the West.
>>524051990the boondocks was so based.the next step was the job application
>>524055722Dont worry, they will explain why trying to govern several million angry and increasingly nationalistic Turks after fighting a brutal war while all your colonies are collapsing is a retarded idea when you get to tenth grade history.
>>524051795Who gives a flying fuck? I hate christcucks so fucking much
>>524051795>Be me>Father is Ottoman>I have Ottoman blood in meGentlemen, let it be known that a true Ottoman just replied in this Thread. Now, continue.
>>524055722and it is there in writing to the post that you are replying to right now.the 4 years of occupation of constantinople was nothing but symbolic. it is not something that is handed over like a deck of cards dude.the monarch not only gave constantinople away. he also gave away many other things including the altar of zeus which happens to be in germany today.he was a loser and the rest of the country did not share his sentiments.so an entire war raged on across anatolia while he acted as an errand boy to the enemies in the palace in constantinople.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk7egz2MwHYthis video is him saluting the british like the errand boy he is.so your premise of constantinople being "handed back over" is false. it was only "held" with a token force of officers to begin with. while the whole of the rest of asia minor was embroiled in war.
>>524053514>it's not our fucking job to reconquer AnatoliaBut it was your job to conquer the abos the entire world away? Besides, the point here isn't what your job is or isn't. Turkey was your enemy in WW1 and you got an ancient center of civilization as part of your war against them, but then you pull some shady deal off and let them destroy the Greeks who you previously made believe that you're on their side in order to have them assist you in WW1 that you also created by meddling in affairs that had nothing to do with you.>It's not our fucking job!>But Serbia is our job, the Balkans are our job, Russia is our job, Germany's trade is our job.. everything besides Anatolia is our job!
>>524056381they got what they really wanted man.they got the land where israel is created.that was their ardent wish above all else.
>>524054049>What would you know anyway, your just some Paki MOOSELUMB living in some slum in Londinistan anywayYou're a fool for thinking this. Muslims from Pakistan don't give a shit about European history to this extent. This is just an Anglobong lost in it all just like the rest of the board.
>>524056442>they got the land where israel is created.>that was their ardent wish above all else.Based pinpointer, that's precisely it.
>>524055948There were not 'millions' of Turks in Costantinopole in 1919.>The Ottomans estimated that the population of Istanbul in 1920 was between 800,000 and 1,200,000 inhabitants>Half or less were Muslim, with the rest being largely Greek Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic, and Jewish; there had been a substantial Western European population before the warSo max 400k-600k Turks. Not a number you cannot relocate in Anatolia in one of the many population exchanges after WW1.No need to 'rule over them' at all.
>>524056540we first got bankrupt and defaulted as an empire by the british when they first tried to take the land where israel stands today.but that wasnt enough.so they sent anzacs from down under and spooks like lawrence of arabia to achieve their goal. and they got it. the arabs that cooperated with the british and the french are reaping what they have sown today, tragically.the brits "liberated" a bullshit country out of thin air called iraq, which was originally named the "british zone" in the last century.only then to sent troops to destroy the very country they "liberated" in that very same century.
>>524051795Keep constantinople and give to who? Greece? There was more people in constanopola than in all greece. Bulgaria? It was simply not possible.
>>524051795Well you see they couldn't let Russia gain any strategic advantage anon. They HAD to give Constantinople back to the Turks.
>>524051795Anglos have always been cucks for Turks. If it was Russia that liberated Constantinople you'd know it would become Christian and possibly given to the Greeks again.
>>524052035>AtaturdLMAOOOOODear Milan, you sinlgehandedly overwritten my opinion about Srbs and the memory of>Smrdis now overwritten by>Turd
>>524056592dude read a fucking book.seriously.you are a fucking memeflag acting like some people gave constantinople away like a bag of candy or some shit.
>>524054002wow, it's almost as if kikeworshippers worship kikes and serve them and only them instead of their own race, strange, isn't it?retarded greeknigger
>>524051795Turks are at least civilized. They embraced imperialism and assimilated into the Anatolian society, unlike the filthy Arabs they conquered. That's the reason they have a secular government today like Indonesia. Sure, the ultra-conservative geezers are still alive today, but these secular nations are on the right way unlike the Sharia scum.
>>524054002>Notice how there wasn't some grand hurrah, like oh the middle east is finally christian again! They gave it to the jews straight up.You know I never really thought if it that way before.
>>524052030read a book retard this is basic knowledgejust because youre dumb as shit doesnt mean the mandela effect is real
>>524051795because gayreeks got too uppity and got stretched by the roaches several times after that
>>524056663WWI was a tragedy for the Balkans overall. Turkey consolidated, but still. Germany, AH and the Ottoman empire winning would've been been better overall.>the arabs that cooperated with the british and the french are reaping what they have sown today, tragically.Very true, the Arabs seem like a people that is much, much easier to manipulate than Slavs and coming from a Slav that says a lot.
>>524056172>Held with a token force>For five years These numbers don't add up Shlomo.
>>524056833When did the British Empire lose its soul?When did imperialism become a change of government instead of a conquest?
>>524052618Hey you Slavic nigger, it was your Slavic brothers who betrayed you. The Russians signed a treaty with Turkey that allowed them to focus all of their forces on you.
>>524057166perfidious alb*on never had a soul
>>524057181The Russians collapsed, the Soviets actively supported Ataturk
>>524054049>Greece was ready and willing to join the Axis when Hitler offered, but BRIT JEWS sent an assassin to kill Greek leader, switched sides to allies and rest is history. Nazi's lost the War in Epirus Mountains not Stalingrad.sad
>>524051795WWI was the war for Judeo-masonic world domination. It was the implementation of the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion. WWII was at best an insignificant rebellion against the New World Order.The goal of WWI was to remove ALL goyish governments and replace them with "democratic republics" that, as we know, are in reality puppet states controlled by their central banks. 1911 saw the overthrow of Imperial China. WWI ended the German Empire, the Russian Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire. The state of Israel was established via the Balfour declaration. Most of these organizations the Jews and masons bore a historic grudge against for pogroms and suppression throughout the middle ages. In the case of China, without much historic connection to either, it was simply a matter of not allowing a government of Chinese by Chinese that could be a potential rival and more importantly could be a model for other states to follow. The only major power remaining after WWI was the Catholic Church that would need to wait for the second Vatican council for its dismemberment.With that understood, one realizes that the goal of Ottoman destruction was to put an end to a rival power that once humiliated Sabbati Zevi, not to create a new Christian Empire of the East. Western forces had everything they needed in place to divide up the Ottoman Empire as they pleased (see Israel). They could have let the Greeks take Constantinople and all Anatolia if they pleased and genocided the remaining Turks the way they did the Armenians. Keep in mind the Ottoman Empire was 30% Orthodox Chrustian at the time. They only let the Turks have Constantinople after Ataturk gained ascendancy. Ataturk was a Donmeh Jew and a freemason. Once it was established there would be no new Sultanate, no Islamic power however reduced, it was seen as more advantageous to allow a weak Islamic republic than a resurgent Greek Christian state.
>>524057256The Soviet Revolution was already over by then. Either way your Slavic nigger brothers betrayed you and Christ.
>>524052808>The Ottomans allowed a lot of Muslim pogroms to happen in Europe tooallowed? the decision is not even up to them, what are muslims doing in europe in the first place?
Every time someone says Mandela effect I post this articlehttps://arkhaven.substack.com/p/the-case-of-the-vanishing-braces
>>524057489There was a time where Russia did reach down to Marmara out of their own will, and there are twelve russo-turkish wars that show intent. What happened after WW1 was the Russian government failing to meaningfully impact anything, they lost the war dude
>>524053514>Achilles and Alexander would spit on you modern Greeks.I miss the Βασιλεία τῆς Βακτριανῆς most of all. Imagine having an outpost of real pagan Europe a couple counties away from fucking China
>>524057679kek greco-bactria has a distinct fanbase, I keep running into this
>>524051795oy vey
>>524057492>ignoramus, the post.conquest and expansion is the modus operandi of every empire man.it is what they are.tell that to the greeks when alexander marched all the way up to the indus river.or you can larp in your isolated bubble getting off on deus vult memes.not to mention, it was the western crusaders that broke constantinople for good. we only settled for sloppy seconds.again, keep larping across an ocean in your ignorannce.
>>524051795Constantinople could have been christian (orthodox) again but (((brits)))) decided to help muslims because they hate russians
>>524057873you dont know jack shit too.it is all larp central on this fucking board.read this thread moron. before displaying your ignorance with a kneejerk reaction.you will learn something.
>>524053733I’m glad people are waking up to this. The English don’t think Europeans are white. The lesson should have been learned at Dunkirk where hitler allowing the English to withdraw out of the spirit of goodwill was completely rejected. The English are as hostile to Europe as the Russians are.
>>524057605So what was the Soviet Union then? Jewish mind control over Slavic bodies?
>>524057492the ottomans were literally killing bosnian muslims and handing the territory to us in the 19th century, a part of the empire where turks were literally not legally able to own land as decided by the sultan19th and early 20th century empire was a clusterfuck trying to sort itself outhonestly, if they started 50 years earlier, it would have probably survived the 20th century
>>524058241Well it was led by Lenin and a bunch of jewish cronies, but even if it was as you say and they were one hundred percent slavic, they were still godless raveners. They would have no reason to help us if there is nothing binding us in their view
>>524056822My point is that it was the occasion of a perfect ethnic cleansing. All the Turks in Anatolia, maybe in exchange for all the Greeks out of Anatolia and the straits firmly in control of western powers. Renouncing to that is extremely unnatural when you have already occupied Costantinopole for 5 years. And don't tell me the Allies coudn't organize a force for holding the entrirety of Thrace against the 1920s Turks if they really wanted to.
>>524054002Like if 20th century Western Empires gave a shit about christniggery
>>524058356They didn't give a shit about anything, Britain put their own Rhodesia down like a dog
>>524054452>A land for Christians of all nations to live in.So you want to turn a European city into a nigger shithole? I prefer the roaches if that's the case.
Yes, and then an*lo kikes appeared with faggot french to mess up everything
>>524051795Careful, the Roach govt run as many flags and shills here and the JIDF. It's crazy actually.
>>524058241>So what was the Soviet Union then? Jewish mind control over Slavic bodies?exactlyTrotsky only referred to Russian Orthodox Christians as Antisemites
Ottomans took beautiful white women as sex slaves until the 1900s and cumskins didn’t do ANYTHING about it. Why are cumskins so willing to accept that their women were used as fuckholes and baby ovens for Turkish men? Any race with pride would have genocided the Turks for what they did to the “Circassian beauties”
>>524058346dude holy fucking shit.ernest hemingway was sent to anatolia.he was sent there to prop up this bullshit that you are spewing right now.ethnic cleansing was a two way street. it was a turf war. russians were arming and training armenians to do their bidding in the east.people were used as cannon fodder, as a sacrifice for goals bigger then themselves.armenians were no different than the arabs that got fooled into thinking the british were their friends, only then to get bombed by them later.armenians are also no different from the kurds, and the ukranians of today. just a disposable cannon fodder armed with spooks and used as counter insurgency shit for pipelines and what not.thankfully not all armenians fell for it and many in the west did not participate and were even protected by their neighbors.again you are typing shit as if you just learned something very important.>>524051795your perpection is not only perplexed but is filled with ignorance.
>>524052735>WW1>conservative governmentskek
>>524058340Greeks have a good amount of Slavic blood, so you’re cousins if not brothers. Even if they only care about Slavs, they should’ve helped you instead of Turkey.
>>524052808Keep in mind as well that the Jews have a special relationship with turks. Have for centuries. The entire war vs Armenia by Azerbaijan (also Turks) saw the Jews sending the Azeris weapons and tech in the decades prior and then tacit support for Azerbaijan during the conflict and the subsequent genocide. I dont care about Armenia, just sharing how much Jews LOVE turks.
>>524055722>why it was handed over again to the Turks Everyone was fed up with fighting after years of war and their Greek goons who despite not fighting in WWI (yeah sure joined in 1917 still did not suffer like others did) still failed miserably left no chance of holding onto an overseas war>why this 5 years long occupation was completely memory-holed in the WestOut of shame. Just like most people ignore Churchill's failure at Gallipoli. No one keeps reminding their own failures
>>524058512I believe that the British Empire of the 1920s wouldn't have betrayed Rhodesia like they did later because they didn't deny that niggers are wild animals (but they no longer had the courage to admit that niggers need to be exterminated)
>>524051871you are a jew attempting to gaslight others into thinking jews are whitejake paul is not white he is jewish
>>524058931No, I'm pointing out the fact that this part of history is inconvenient for conservatives and neocons, otherwise they can't sell the anti-Islam propaganda. For your flag specifically, Muslims never had any interactions with the US, besides being the earliest diplomatic connection(Morocco) and the icon of an Ottoman emperor as a figure who inspired your lawmakers, that was it. It all changed after WW2.
>>524058965Foreigners will throw us every label, Slav, Armenian, Turkish, Yemeni....and then they want us to pay debts
>>524058969holy fucking shit dude they had to send anzacs from down under and spooks like lawrence of arabia just to take the land of israel .keep on living in some retarded dream while being the biggest beneficiary of the state of isreal. moron.>>524056663not to mention, the only reason israeli harop drones were used in the nagorno karabak war was to alleviate the backlash of the turkish arms doing most of the carnage. since israel is your giga darling. having israeli hardware symbolically peppered around was only for that. to alleviate the global backlash.
>>524058969You're absolutely correct. This stems from the time where they got expulsed from all the European medieval states. They found safe refuge in the Ottoman empire, which thought it could use them while keeping them in check.
>>524059026>their Greek goons who despite not fighting in WWI (yeah sure joined in 1917 still did not suffer like others did) still failed miserablynot true at allthe masonic agreement was to uphold the balfour declarationwhich meant the partitioning of the ottoman empire through bloodshedexactly as happenedexactly as plannedflawless completionand everyone is a happy pawn at the end
>>524054049>Nazi's lost the War in Epirus Mountains not Stalingrad.youre really making me want to play hearts of iron iv againits fun to get the nazis to win
>>524052035Was Attaturk a Frankist crypto Jew?
>>524051795The Soviets sent weapons and supplies to the Turks that ultimately helped them take Constantinople forever, you're on a Russian shill disinformation forum so you're not going to hear about that.
>>524059315holy fucking shit dude.have some gall.the slightest fucking gall for once.you just tried. and failed. it is alright.there is no grand scheme or plan.we should have never given the land where israel stands today. we tried. and we failed. it is what it is. there was no grand conspiracy. everything is out in the open.>>524056663
>>524057485Ataturk hanged the most powerful jew in Turkiye. Mutts and Bongs begged him to not to do it kek.
>>524051795You didn't do out of good will nigger. You simple failed to hold onto the city. Take the defeat and move on.
>>524059557>>524059664>>524059593Our last meetup was amazing, took this video for memories, your asshole was TIGHT nigga, fucking turk niggas be crazy, busted in that hairy hole so good
>>524059777With Turks it's the same video all over again, with Americans it's a new video every time, shut your mouth.
>>524059425Ataturk was a Donmeh Jew. Nothing about the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and Balfour declaration makes sense until you understand that fact.https://hetq.am/en/article/50143
>>524059777>insert any pride parade video in america.keep on larping expat butthurt belter.the butthurt spans across oceans. it is alright. what you are doing is nothing but projection.
>>524059315Admit it, Greece lost against a country that had been in a constant state of war since 1911. Eleven years of war with poor infrastructure, little to no industry and with less population than its peers. There were no secret le masonic or le joos agreement to end the war in favor of Turkey. Look up "Chanak Crisis". George Lloyd expected you guys to do his work and after Greeks lost he soon realized that no one would go along with his war against Turkey.
>>524059777Stavros pls. our last meeting was amazing. we tore you a new one.
Britain very nearly went to war with Turkey over this.Lloyd-George hated Turks and wanted to fight them (again), but this was unpopular -- people were tired of war -- and he was removed from power. The new government made peace with Kemal and pulled out the British troops.(It's similar to how Churchill was removed from power in 1945 because of his anti-Russian attitudes.)
>>524059557>turkroach copexaxaxa
>>524059312yea that is why we fought the tooth and nail against giving away the land where israel stands today rite?getting bankrupted and defaulted was not enough.so we had to fight the anzacs and spooks like lawrence of arabia at the same time and could not move our forces across.
>>524060042>>524059990>>524059885>>524059854Turks are the #1 consumers of gay porn on Earth, look up pornhub stats lol. It's all good niggas, I won't share our romantic night together with anyone, we had some good times, I got my nut off, good memories
>>524060148yea we failed.i admit that.there is no coping here.the only one who is doing the coping is you trying to swim back to greece across the aegian after you got your shit pushed in.
>>524059593>Ataturk hanged the most powerful jew in TurkiyeThey were both Donmeh Jews, fighting over which Jew would rule Turkey. He was executed for attempting to assassinate Ataturk, not for being a zionist agent. It was nothing more than an internal power struggle that did not alter the political realities of the Turkish republic, only who would be in charge.Until you face the fact that your nation was founded by Jews and Erdogan is their servant to this day, you will never be free.
>>524051795Not only that. Greece occupied 1/10 of Anatolia. Basically Greece fucked up their occupation so bad that Britain made Greece give it back to Mustafa Kemal because he was a much better leader and ally to the British than the Greeks.
>>524060258>trying to swim back to greeceIt's going to be funny when Turkish Civil War and/or Russia vs Turkey War begins and all your Turks are swimming to Greece for help, only to be met with boots in your face
>>524051795Because only Russia cared about Orthodox faith and Russia has fallen to Bolsheviks already. Anglo kikes would always support turkroaches over other Christians.
>>524060163why did you hinder egypts effort to modernise with the help of the british ? you could have just humbled yourself and let arabs have their thing they would have done better
>>524060347yea yea keep on diplaying that butthurt.what you are doing is nothing but projection.and living in a dreaming lalaland..>>524060387holy fucking shit man.there was no effort to modernize.it is all a farse.>>524056663>the brits "liberated" a bullshit country out of thin air called iraq, which was originally named the "british zone" in the last century.>only then to sent troops to destroy the very country they "liberated" in that very same century.keep on believing that the brits will "liberate" you. only then to destroy your artificial country that they "liberated".
>>524060515>what you are doing is nothing but projection.Turkey will be the main battleground of WW3, every town in Turkey will look like Bakhmut, you clueless fuck, nobody wants Turkey to exist except Turks
>>524060515there was a great effort by egypt man , it could have been the meiji restoration of the arab world
>>524060592i know man you got owned so fucking hard that this is what you are jerking off to that dream to lull you to sleep.it is a common occurrence.just keep at it.
>>524060347>Not even successful at creating a white teamSad
>>524060668>>524060661It's all fun and games until you see flashes in the sky and hear on the radio that 10 million Russians are landing on Turkish beaches, fuck lil Mehmet Ozglu gonna do nigga?
>>524059990>There were no secret le masonic or le joos agreement to end the war in favor of Turkeyyou sound so sure something secret didn't happen without your knowledge
>>524060163All I'm saying is that the Ottoman empire found out that it was a bad deal.
>>524060799When we downed that Russian jet every NATO "ally" was pissing their pants lol>10 million RussiansSeething so hard lost touch with reality. Sad
>>524060320>Until you face the fact that your nation was founded by Jews and Erdogan is their servant to this day, you will never be free.mutt saying this is ultimate irony.
>>524060646any so called restoration arabs could have mustered was destroyed when they took the british as their brethren.the proof is in the pudding.>>524060668you should share the image of the basketball teams man.their greek squad is a playground of the antetekoumpo bros.>>524060799>the russians will destroy you. we failed but they will. they will avenge us. dude. go touch some grass.it is the same old stale images over and over.you are the joke of this fucking thread. it is the butthurt belter expat classics over and over.>>524060959we are not solely responsible for the jewry to dominate the world dude.the head hancho kikes that were pulling the strings during the balfour decleration were "brits" and "russians, or both. picrelated.even if we did not take the jewry from spain they would come knocking on our door eventually since they were already spread out.
>obscene minarets put up around the Hagia left standing >descendants of Mehmet not publicly drawn and quartered it wasn’t retaken, or liberated.
>>524061000>mutt saying this is ultimate ironyIm well aware my country was founded and run by Jews and freemasons, and still is until this day. You can never defeat your enemy if you refuse to acknowledge their existence or act against them.Erdogan could cut off Israel's oil and end the Palastinian genocide in a second. Instead he acts on Israel's behalf in Syria and Lebanon. Your country is ruled by Jews. Erdogan is their dog.
>>524052210french said the same with algeria
>>524061272>we are not solely responsible for the jewry to dominate the world dude.I never claimed that, dunno why you reply to me about that. I just said it was true that the Ottomans allowed them to settle and thrive on its territory in the medieval ages.
>>524060911>Yuksel Nizamoglu30.000 google results in his name. I'm more curious where you found this guy but from what I've read he says that Venizelos was a proponent of Enosis but gave up on it after the war. It was the war losses not some secret agreement. If it were the early 1900s you would lose your shit at Britain and France becoming allies for some secret agenda.
>>524061440no he cannot.i hate the fucker too but if he did that you would send you armada here to wreck havoc.stop acting like israel is its own entitiy.for fucks sake man. the only reason israel can bully the rest of the world is because of you guys.>vidrelated.
>>524061440>>524061536you would fucking love that.you will be getting two birds with one stone in your mind.but no. the moment israel is attacked by us you will declare war and go ham on us. stop pretending that israel is its own entitiy and not protected by you.have some fucking gall man. holy shit.utterly disgusting.
>>524054114they don't teach anything besides huwitey bad, MLK, 72 genders and how to duck for cover in case of a mass shooting.
>>524061440erdogan is obviously a muppet. Ataturk wasn't. simple as.
>>524061530>"war losses">nomination for nobel peace prizenever happenedjust not how it goes
>>524057256>the Soviets actively supported AtaturkBecause Greece sent divisions in Russia in support of the Whites for no fucking reason, we had no business meddling there.
>>524061881yea the same blogspot also writes articles that the ottoman sultan has interstellar fleets in a far away galaxy. fucking lol dude. this is utterly funny. tabloid meme articles posted by greeks.
>>524056777>>AtaturdThe father of Turks and Kurds
>>524061881>Ambiguous Turkish sources, very descriptive Turkish file name>Greece
>>524061990For no reason? Don't you think there's a connection between us and a Russia that takes its spirituality seriously?
>>524061536>if he did that you would send you armada here to wreck havoc.You are acknowledging the fact that, like it or not, Jews call the shots in Turkey>stop acting like israel is its own entitiy.>for fucks sake man. the only reason israel can bully the rest of the world is because of you guys.If California decided to stand up to the Jews the Federal government would send its armada to wreck havoc on them too. The Jews have no more regard for us than they do you. We are im the same boat. Both our nations are compelled to act against our own best interests. Both our nations are forced to do Israel's bidding whether we like it or not. The main enemy of your people is in Ankara. The main enemy of my people is in Washington DC. Both cities are outposts of Greater Israel.
>>524062138Realpolitik > muh orthodox brothers nonsense.It's 2025 and this basic fact hasn't permeated most Greek skulls.
>>524061881same dude says Das Kapital is written by Djinns and shakespeare is actually called Şeyh-Pir a turkish dude kek.Great source bro
>>524061658>the moment israel is attacked by us you will declare war and go ham on us.I won't declare shit. The moment you declare war on Israel I'll hope for your success. The Federal government on the other hand will declare war. Our Jewish government is not the American people and our elections are fake.
>>524062138you were just cannon fodder.just like the armenians and arabs and the kurds.and just like the ukranians today.>>524062185yea the jews call the shots in the entire world moron. but mostly thanks to you. above all else. we cannot attack israel since you will protect them. you can try to wiggle your way out of it with semantic arguments but that does not change the fact that you are the ULTIMATE kike cum guzzler.read the rest of the thread and educate yourself instead of accusing people of being kikes while being an AMERICAN man.holy fucking shit.go pay taxes to IRS just to it gets funneled to israel. no amount of you finger pointing will change that fact.take a hike. fucking hell.
>>524062287>Das Kapital is written by Djinnsit's true
>>524062385Cannon fodder for whom, against whom?
>>524062224It is hard to collaborate and cooperate with geopolitical aliens, from a Europe trying to find peace between monarchists and republicans comes a dark horse than condemns both, and you want to stick your dick in it? If Lenin and Trotsky had their wishes we'd get backstabbed
>>524062377that does not change the fact that israel is nothing but a conglomerate.if they were their own nation and alone like many nations are, they wouldnt even exist in the first place.>>524056663>>524062464for the brits for that period of the war.since they were not willing to give you the straits regardless of how much you asked and pleaded with them.
>>524062660Animosity between us two is inevitable, cause the mansion ghost remembers its time under the sun as the landlord, but sure I do accept the British sought to cuck us
>>524062734it was not inevitable dude.you are still speaking your language and worshipping whatever diety you please.the new world was utterly gone with countless languages and religions destroyed in a shorter amount of time than you were annexed by us.
>>524052210British empire also lost 90% of it empires land but remained control of its tiny island. They consider it as win. Same with many European countries losing all their former colonies. Turks doing the same is nothing new. Cope and seethe, Timmy
>>524062826Yeah we do these things cause we got a hold of Thrace, and even THAT is a no-go zone. If we left it up to you, Salonica would still be half jewish, Athens led by a court nigger, and we'd be herding goats in the mountains of the Peloponnese
>>524062938dude..holy fucking shit. this is utterly funny.the greek population in constantinople was greater after the ottomans took it compared to the entire history of the city for a 1000 years.we could have killed you all. to even think that you survived with your witts is utter fantasy.holy fucking shit.
>>524063206Holy fucking shit, what a joke that in 300 years we went from bordering Armenia ethnically to contesting the aegean coast, wow! It is because you're so tolerant that your Greeks lie in ditches and our Turks are making elections, it is because I'm crazy that before the revolution started, Athens was a ghost-town, surely I'm at fault for why there isn't one nation out of all those you occupied that looks at you with adoration
>>524057834Diodotus did nothing wrong, mother fucker
>>524063407I'll do you one better, Cassander was right, true to his NAMESAKE
>>524063360yea conquest and expansion is the modus operandi of every empire.you ventured deep into asia all the way up to the indus river once.i suppose that is all greek clay too.just be grateful that you are still speaking your language and keeping your religion. we allowed that. it could have been better for sure. but it was better by order of magnitude to many other nations that were conquered. go ask the new world. you were chaining your political foes onto apes in constantinople and your rule was not adored by many. it was riddled with civil wars. to suppose that the alternative to what you had later under us was all honky dory is preposterous in of itself.
>>524052118>they did.The only non-ww2 history I was ever taught, was my English teacher telling me "The Trooper - Iron maiden" was ackshulllaaayyy """charge of the light brigade"""And "for whom the bell tolls - metallica" is a song about world War 1, or something.
>>524063652>>524063652We went to Afghanistan and India, sure, but Anatolia took 2000 years to Hellenize, and in two hundred years of you getting there it was a hurricane wasteland. Grateful that I didn't join the Cappadocians, the Smyrniotes and the Pontics in ditches, cause you ALLOWED that? Fuck off, had we not revolted we'd be dead underwater>u were chaining your political foes onto apes in constantinople and your rule was not adored by many. it was riddled with civil warsThese were political Roman trifles, people jockeying for positions. you think we were fighting the Hittites and the Luwians at the age of Alp Arslan?
>>524063861again the point still stands.we had 400 years to kill every single one of you and the erase the language and culture.but we didnt.we spared you.400 years is a good amount of time man. while you lacked any army and navy to speak of.no amount of you claiming otherwise will cut it and it makes you look like a fool.to even claim that you had to fight to keep what is yours culturally for the 400 years under our domain is utterly preposterous.i dont know what else to say to you.you were blinding 1000s of your own soldiers after they lost their battles and only left a single soldier with 1 eye to lead the blinded to their barracks on a death march and you wonder why you lost anatolia and its people?
>>524064115What spared you? You sent us packing to the Aegean to drown, you said it yourself!>you were blinding 1000s of your own soldiers after they lost their battles and only left a single soldier with 1 eye to lead the blinded Are you fucking stupid? That was the Bulgarians, we didn't blind our own soldiers, you halfwit
>>524060347>Russia vs Turkey War beginsYou keep saying this, I just want to remind you, Russian empire is gone, Russians have no drive or need for le constatinople liberation anymore, and haven't for more than a century. A war with EU and Russia is much much more likely than Russia and Turkey lmao.
>>524064199yea we sent you back packing after you got into a frenzy made your way deep into anatolia.you thought we were easy prey.but that does not change the fact that we had 400 years to kill you all and we didnt.yea the bulgar slayer. you were cruel beyond measure and wonder why the people in the region turned against you.that goes the same for anatolia as well.
>>524051795Everyone forgets because the Turks refused to surrender even when their government wanted to. Resisting Sevres and absolutely refusing to surrender was probably the smartest thing a people has done collectively in the past several hundred years.
>>524064199>>524064457not to mention,you did blind a shitton of your own people as punishment.countless high ranking soldiers were blinded as a punishment man. it is on record.
>>524064457Yeah we thought you were easy pickings, considering our support roster, but then our contacts dried up and so did our supply chain. We were foolishly led to slaughter by the Anglos>but that does not change the fact that we had 400 years to kill you all and we didnt.You literally did the moment you deposed the Sultan>you were cruel beyond measure and wonder why the people in the region turned against you.Fuck do I care what the bulgarians think about us? They are not our people, "same goes for anatolians", ridiculous assertions
>>524064556How many, six million? They blinded the pretenders to the throne sometimes or sent them to monsteries, like you locked up all the osmanoglu children in house arrest. Your caricatures of Byzantium make our thousand year reich look miraculous
>>524064568holy fucking shit man you were chaining people to apes to get raped in chambers.chamber dedicated for that purpose.you had celebrity gorillas that took their time.some got sent to balkans to do their deed since they got famous and people imitating you were trying to be like you.a guy in custody got away because a celebrity ape was not available at the time and instead of killing the captive the royals made the decision to wait for the gorilla to come back.while waiting the guy in custody got away.nothing ever comes close to public executions where an ape rapes a guy to death.again you are making a fool of yourself.
>>524064902What the fuck are you talking about, you think Byzantium was fear and hunger, with vampires and werewolves? One guy was executed in a stupid way and suddenly we have rape dwarves and elves on demand? HAHAHAHA
>>524064965>In 820, the Byzantine Emperor Leo V planned to execute his general Michael by chaining him to an ape and throwing them into a furnace.
>>524065035Yeah, one guy planned some wacky shit in the age of iron maidens, tongs and pliers. Truly, me and my brothers all had to wrestle with the designated rape monkey in the royal palace at the age of 18. This is turkish education?
>>524051795they kept it in the sinulation to make you realize the west is cucked. if it had gone to russia I bet anything they never give back the city of orthodoxy
>>524065035>In 820, the Byzantine Emperor Leo VYOU MEAN LEO THE LITERAL KHAZAR???
>>524065308Man I admit it, when it was my turn to fight the silverback gorilla in Tatoi I almost pooped myself, Joe Rogan would NEVER
>>524058898The East thing is a meme. Russians didn't need their help in the East. The real crime Armenians committed was storming the Rothschild owned Ottoman Central Bank with grenades.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veINO_tRA50"In early 1856, Sultan Abdulmejid I called for modern banks to be created in the Empire to improve its financial system and foster economic development. Three main projects emerged in response, respectively promoted by the Rothschild family (in London, Paris and Vienna), the Pereire brothers (in Paris), and a group of British financiers around Austen Henry Layard and the private bank Glyn, Mills & Co. The Ottoman government opted for the latter, which it identified as better preserving the country's independence from western financiers in comparison with the assertive approaches of the Rothschilds and Pereires."Pastırmacıyan Karekin Efendi, who planned the action, thought that the Ottoman Bank, which played an important role in the international financial world, was the most suitable place to serve this purpose. On August 26, 1896, at 13:00, under the leadership of Papken Suni, 26 Armenians entered the Ottoman Bank with hand grenades, dynamite and pistols. Nine of the Armenian militants who clashed with the security forces, including Papken Suni, died immediately. Thereupon, Karekin Pastırmacıyan (Karo), the planner of the action, became the head of the invaders.
>>524065308whoops forgot to count
>>524056834Turks are just islamicized Greeks. The downside was that the ottomans allowed too many browns in
>>524065099>>524065308>>524065371yea dude>insert bullshit sarcasm when presented with evidence.it is what it is man. and the point still stands.>>524065402yea we were already bankrupt and defaulted for the sole reason of giving israel away.that was their ardent wish that they tried to achieve and giving the land away was one of options we were granted to pay pack our loans.the roth bank has its roots to the first attempts of taking israel away.
>>524065591Maybe the point was the friends we made along the way, I'll see you in Ma'habre
>>524052217>The bible didnt exist 10 years ago. Mandela effect :/
>>524065402but that does not change the fact that hemingway was sent to anatolia to do damage control and write boogeyman stories about us.>>524065694dude like i said before.it is empire shit.our rule could have been better but it is not as bad as you perceive it to be.just look at how you treated the bulgarians.we could have done the same to you.you said it yourself.many had it way worse.
>>524051795It’s just jews covering history. That’s all. Yeah, there’s probably a LOT of history you have never heard of. Even if you studied history for a decade. I recently learned that court historians finally admitted that the Wehrmacht in WWII was being torn apart by shills and traitors on the inside of the chain of command. They finally openly admitted this at a conference recently. For a long time, they’d call anyone who brought it up a schizo.
>>524065855Is it Empire shit? When the Byzantines ruled Italy they didn't try to ethnically cleanse the fucking place
>>524051871Jake paul could probably rip your arms off pal. Post your physique right now tranny.
>>524065916we ruled you for 400 years man we had all the time in the world to kill every single one of you.you are delusional.utterly.keep lulling yourself to sleep reading boogeyman stories.
>>524065916>>524066010>the greek population in constantinople was greater after the ottomans took it compared to the entire history of the city for a 1000 years.you are utterly delusional.
>>524065855>we could have done the same to you.could have?we don't forget what turks do for pleasure
>>524066010You did rule us for a long time, and all those Greeks that lived from Smyrna to Trebizond all just disappeared like the morning rain KEK>>524066062Wow one city's population grew organically over the four hundred years, holy shit!
>>524066094>BUT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOUYOU WENT TO CRANBROOK THAT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL
>>524066120no not over 400 years.it happened in less than 50 years.the greeks we allowed to flood into constantinople in greater numbers compared to the previous 1000 years of the previous owners.keep larping thinking we did not spare your lives for 400 years when you did not have an army or a navy.it is pathetic for everyone to see.and sad in a way. in a bad way.
>>524066309That's called coexistence, that is the natural state of affairs and with you that is a luxury? To keep the former inhabitants of a house alive is a LUXURY?And you call us savages, when Byzantines had Egypt they didn't have mass graves, you hear me? They didn't say let's replace them all, let god sort them out!
>>524066214i am Helios, look at my ID
>>524066309>>524066395Aww, how cute, a family fight
>>524052376This is a lying kike>>524052618That brit kike is lying. The Allies proactively sabotaged the greeks. They also sabotGed the white russian forces.
>>524066309That's hard to believe considering what you folks did with the Armenians.
>>524066711He'll say there's no relation, but I don't see that nigga sporting slant-eyes, he is no asian conqueror I've ever seen. If I sent Hassan Abi to Mongolia, they'd be like who brought the redguard here?
>>524066395still does not change the fact that you got spared. go tell the same shit to the new world dude. again if we really had mass graves to the extent of your imagination, you would not even exist today. we spared you. it is what it is. >>524066891of course it is hard to believe since you are brainwashed from craddle and believe any bullshit you are told. that is why ernest hemingway was sent here in the first place.you even get false flagged into caring about shit on the other side of the world and fight kike wars on their behalf. you are ignorant and oblivious about the rest of the world and live in a bubble.>picrelated.
>>524052210>but because they retained their capitol cityTurkey's capital is Ankara.
>>524067057We don't exist today in the lands you control, we only exist in the lands we GOT from YOU. The only reason there is a Greece today is because we took it from your grubby hands
Ashina clan were originally Sakas, they only assimilated as Turx after they conquered them. Their name is even an East Iranian word for horsesnow let's watch Enver get angry and go into denial mode
>>524067002no i wont say that.and my posts so far is a testament to that.dont speak on my behalf man.>>524067118i dont know how many times i have to repeat myself man.you are only alive because we spared you.i know this causes some butthurt but it is what it is.>the greek population in constantinople was greater after the ottomans took it compared to the entire history of the city for a 1000 years.
>>524067215Nigga how can you say that you spared us, we don't LIVE today. We're in the same place as the jews of Algeria
>>524051795Not giving Constantinople to Greeks because of the fear that Greeks will grow too strong might be the greatest mistake Anglos ever did in their entire history.
>>524067299yea the alternative would be the total disapperance of the greek language for starters dude.just as many nations and cultures faced in their demise.you can just open a fucking history book and make some comparisons.
>>524067057>does not change the fact that you got speared.yes yes we all know that turks gave us kebab, but your mistake was teaching the recipe to Vladwhich he perfected btw by changing the main ingredient to turkroach meat
>>524067377But there is! Where is the Greek language in Turkey today? All your land was ours and now we are GONEI don't care that you took your sweet time, byzantium didn't do that shit to people
>>524059393HOi is unrealistic as hell. We need AI to be able to write a TRVE WWII simulator game. HOI purposefully reduces the anount of resources in the game so that “players cannot simulate the holocaust”. The real reason is probably the US gov trying to prevent people from aqcuiring tactical and strategic military training via a videogame.Everything they do is to avoid another hitler.
>>524067377Greek was not a minor language, neither was hellenic a minor culture. They literally form bedrock of European ethos, so no matter how hard you tried you couldn't erase them.
>>524060646Could never have happened, because the Allies utterly dominated them.
>>524067467>byzantium didn't do that shit to peopleyou blinded 1000s of soldiers and forced them on death marches man.at least some greeks here are more truthful than you are.>>524067409>oh a typo.>lemme insert some bullshit joke to exploit the situation, even though i understood what it meant.>>524067539yea keep on telling yourself that as an indian and the property of the east india company and being the most populated english speaking country in the world.we had 400 years moron.a much bigger time frame than you sucked up to the british like the scum that you are.holy fucking shit. just stfu.
>>524067664We blinded the guys that were drinking from our SKULLS for 500 years, who just like you came from the Steppes worshipping Tengri. What is your POINT
bros, it's been 100 years
>>524067664uhh, can you stop like having a thousand posts in a thread? that's my brand identity. only i get to do thatand i won't have you cheapening it with muhe the ottamanse emBire bullshit posting, thanks
>>524051871Why are muslims in America, seriously? The US Navy and Marines shit smacked the Barbary Pirates for taking European slaves, you subhuman nigger gypsy.
>>524067798This, we won't forget the kara bogas who fought for us
>>524067664Anglos didn't delete any of our culture. Infact the orientalist part of the anglo section started sanskrit colleges, archeological survey of India, Banaras Hindu college which revived cultural pride among common masses which was previously smothered by muslims. They might be the most civilized invaders since Alexander.
>>524067741the point is pretty simple man it is there.you blinded 15000 soldiers and forced them on a death march, had actual rulers that were unironically called SLAYERS and only then to claim that you were all high and mighty today.take a hike. slayer.
>>524067664excuse me, but turks impaling resistance freedom fighters in the mountains by the thousands is not some bullshit joke
>>524067926So if ten million afghans come to Turkey you'll accept them all as ummah boys? What was Basil to do, give the Bolghars a big wet kiss?
>>524067880what's the argument about? is he going on about his GaliBBhaDe or? i honestly don't want to comb over 50 posts of some Muzelime malding about how the GaliBBhaDe got BTFO before muhe aessea returned to end the jizhahe, lmao
>>524051795now show us a map of armenia before christianity vs. christian armenia in present day
>>524067982dude again you are walking over everything you said and doint whataboutism.it is there in writing.stop acting you are all that when you have actual rulers called slayers for crying out loud.>byzantium didn't do that shit to peoplemy ass.>>524067895yea many cultures and nations in this world got destroyed, their languages destroyed.go look at the new world man. we could have done the same, but we didnt.that is the whole point.but it causes some butthurt for people that cannot admit it.it is what it is.
>>524067895>archeological survey of IndiaMost of you are still in denial about Aryan migration. "Out of India" theory is laughable and the only people that believe it are Hindu nationalist wackjobs
>>524067969what is it with the ottomanese and homosexuality, would be a good topic to addressif you were an ottomanse guy with 50 posts in a thread fielding all things ottomanse
>>524068157What fucking whataboutism? We were sitting on our land and these steppeniggers come out of nowhere, wanting to drink from our skulls and we're to lie down and die?T. slayer, that's my new callsign now
>>524068157Ashina were Sakas
>>524068203>at first i was like.>byzantium didn't do that shit to people.>then i was like.>what were we supposed to do??
>>524068157what's the language of the we? arabic? we is arabs, by allah?
>>524068262We never killed off Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbians or anybody under our rule. We treated the soldiers as soldiers do, with fire and blood, but the civilians were not harmed now were they?
>>524068290siktir git lan gerizekali.
>>524068157You literally took their main church and turned it into a mosque and started to mass convert them. You couldn't erase Hellenic culture or language because it was too widespread and existed beyond ottoman borders.
>>524068334That’s definitely not true, there was a mass expulsion of Turks from Macedonia after 1913-1921. A lot of them were murdered as they fled.
>>524068334yea just like we did the same to you.the alternative you be your total annihilation since we had 400 years to do it.that is the entire point but cannot get through the heads of people here since they are butthurt from craddle.
>>524068389i don't understandthat's the language of the ottamanse emBires of allah and his masingire? because if it isn'ti don't understand how this addresses the post you replied toright?
>>524068470All the people of smyrna were soldiers? LMAO>>524068454Byzantium existed till then buddy?
>>524068420no fucking moron you dont know jack shit.holy fucking shit.>the greek population in constantinople was greater after the ottomans took it compared to the entire history of the city for a 1000 years.you know nothing man.
>>524068535see, i don't understand this eitheryou Didn't take the church and turn it into a shitsque and begin to mass convert them? that's what he's saidright?
>>524068470How could you totally annihlate a region where natives outnumber invaders by huge margin? Even modern western turks are just converted Greeks and you will barely see any turkmen genetics existing among Turkish people.
>>524068535And there are more native americans than there ever were in America, what a big fucking jumbo
>>524068470>>524068474>>524068470>the alternative you be your total annihilation since we had 400 years to do it.Modern day Turks are the dalit/slave class of the Ottoman Empire. All the elite warriors were Greek and Slavic muslims, all the aristocrats and leaders were Jews and Greek, being called a Turk during those times is like being called a dalit in India today, the ultimate insult. Modern Turks worship Ataturk for "free'ing" the dalit class, these people roleplay today like Turkey is a great nation and not the fractured paper tiger it is
>>524068535>Greek population in a Greek city was greater after ottomans took it??
>>524068474dude i know you are shitballing for the memes.post some anime pictures too so you can look the part better.>>524068613that does not change the fact that all the remaining churches stayed where they are.you can still find churches all over anatolia today.>>524068695yes.again, you dont know jack shit.you are utterly clueless.in only 50 years the greek population in constantinople became greater than it ever was in the entire 1000 year history of the previous owners.you are ignorant.
>>524051795>Costantinopole
>>524068803I think you are missing the main point. Nobody is arguing about race here, even modern Turks in Constantinople are mostly Islamized Greeks. We are talking about Greek Religion, Language and Culture being smothered by Ottomans.
>>524068924yea again you are retarded.it that was the fucking case none would have survived.they neither had an army or a navy.we allowed them to pay taxes and coexist.
>>524068803what are you talking about anime pictures? i don't do thatwas the language of the ottomanse emBire that picrel you posted? because if it WASN'T then i don't understand what this post is about >>524068389do you?>still find churches all over allahnatolia todaylmao
>>524051795It's about balance of power retard.
>>524068803>in only 50 years the greek population in constantinople became greater than it ever was in the entire 1000 year history of the previous owners.Constantinople was a ghost town in the 1400's before Turks took the city. The 4th crusade and Bulgarian invasions, alongside widespread plague outbreaks made the city uninhabitable, by 1453 only 20,000 citizens were living there.
>>524069021i was just there and drank some church wine dude.stop fucking larping, it really does not cut it.
>>524056966>Germany, AH and the Ottoman empire winning would've been been better overall.The eternal serf
>>524056966Lavader is that you?
>>524069080>over the entire 1000 year history.>>only takes into consideration the last 300 years.
>>524069012Barely anyone survived you not only charged exhorbitant Jiziya but persecuted them periodically, tell me the percent of Christians that exist in Turkey today which was close to 100% before ottomans entered.
>>524069081you were just where?don't be antagonistic with me, i'm not your enemy, even though you called me a spook and i've logged everything and have a folder on you and it's right in front of me and i'm about to revise the section under religionanyway what were you about to say?
>>524069171>tell me the percent of Christians that exist in Turkey today which was close to 100% before ottomans entered.heh
>>524069171yea conquest and empire is the modus operandi of every empire man.you would not have existed too is alexander got his way.that does not change fact that none would be left alive if we wanted to.>>>524069189i was here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mor_Gabriel_Monastery
>>524051795>CostantinopoleIt's called Istambul, comrade.
>>524069383>you would not have existed too is alexander got his way.Greeks did not genocide the people they conquered, they just taxed them
>>524069383Alexander always built temple of the native gods and placated local cultures of the places he conquered though.
>>524069383>>524069189i also visited gobeklitepe too while i was there.but the points still stand.the spaniards built their religious buildings over the muslim buildings. just like we did. it is what people do.>>524069446yea man just like we did.we taxed them.we could have killed them all if we where the boogeyman you fucking claim we are in your ignorant mind.>>524069536yea man just like we also built churches for the christian population in our domains.holy fucking shit.
>>524051795Long and short answer: Ottoman Empire (and Turkey) in the 20th century were basically passive, powerless, mostly neutral cucks. They kept the Bosphorus open to trade and were reliable. So even though nobody likes Turks, everyone fears what a wildcard like Greece or Bulgaria will do if given control over access to the Black Sea. It is even worse if Russia somehow gets control over it.Bad for international trade, that is. Good in the sense of kicking t*rks out.
>>524069383why are you getting communion? are you chrisian?do not lie and cause my eyes to become fixed on you like the eyes of the hawk, now, pleasethank you
>>524069646i am neither a christian or a muslim or a jew.but i like cultures and history.and had a very good time in that monestary and their wine was delicious.
>>524069712very well, thank you for not lying to me
>>524069614You barely built anything. There are barely any christians in turkey now. Greek Generals who inherited Alexanders domain like Seleuicd in Persia and Ptolemy in Egypt blended with local culture and religion and empowered them.
>>524069852yea you should thank the greeks for that.they attacked us and causing the population exchange afterwards.again, you are brainwashed with deus vult garbage and ignorant to hell and back.
>>524051795>and we still handed over Costantinopole to the Turks ?The West coesn't have the resolve or sufficient stores of conventional ammunition to unseat Muslim forces. By rights, Turks should have been driven back to central Asia and Anatolia handed back to the Greeks.But look at the Grand Mosque seizure. In spite of a "win" by the Saudi royal family (assisted by France) the only politically viable solution was to give the Ulama more authority and drive Saudi Arabia away from secularism. So, a win for Islamists. The alternative being ongoing attacks and eventually running out of machine gun bullets.Nukes are the only way. But not if they have managed to infiltrate your territory.
Today i reaffirmed what the old Franciscans said in our territories long ago, do not trust anglos
>>524069852we had millions of christians living under our domain dude.they went to their churches. churches were built. and kept in good order.you are just spewing nonsense.
>>524069947>the greeks attacked the turks firstIn what fucking history book are you reading that?
>>524070145the purpose of the megali idea eventually forced the population exchange afterwards.stop pretending you know anything.
>>524051795There’s a lot more to this than “why didn’t they just hand it over”. A lot of people DID want it to just be given to the Greeks and armed and funded them in a proxy war but they lost and that’s pretty much the end of it.
>>524070213You fucking turks attacked into Anatolia like 700 years ago.You started it.
>>524070299oh yea take it out of context.the population exhange happened after greeks attempted their megali idea.it is what it is. that was all initiated by the greeks.before that many christians were living in anatolia like they did for a millennium and more.
>>524062917The win for Britain was preventing the liberation of Europe.
>>524070395You are retarded.Do you actually think turks always resided in Anatolia?
>>524070039Were did they vanish then? You can clearly see you took their main place of worship and made it into your own and you have several recorded cases of genocides in balkans.>>524069947That is just one instance. Entire Asia minor got converted. Unlike Pagans, Christians are dogmatic monotheists as well, so they don't get converted easily. Conversions of such levels only happen through systematic coercion and killings over a long period of time.
>>524070420again taking shit out of context and spewing bullshit.i was replying to the retarded indian who is still sperging like a retard that claimed this shit.>>524069852the point here is that christians lived in asia minor when it was ruled by the ottomans.and that is a fact.>>524070438fucking moron you cannot even understand the answers you are reading.moron. utter moron.there was a population exchange after the failed megali idea. retard.just stfu man.living in some fantasy in your head.
>>524070438>Were did they vanish then? yea there was a population exchange.read a fucking book instead of larping in some deus vult bullshit.>>524070395
>>524070602>there was a population exchange Post those small numbers and see how silly you look after that.
>>524070602>taking shit out of contextI don't think you know what this means.
>>524070438>so they don't get converted easily.if a "christian" converts to shitslam or any other religion that means he never knew God, which means he was never christian in the first place
>>524070699why do you keep calling deus vult bullshit?i thought that's what you argue? that people do what they do and that's life? why is it bullshit to respond to centuries of unprompted muzshit aggression?
>>524070729i dont think you know anything.>>524070717the migrations started way before that to be more frank but that does not change the fact that there was a sizable christian population living under the domains of the ottoman empire for the greater part of its history.most of the people living in constantinople were non muslims right up to WW1.>>524070858because it is nothing but a fucking larp that these people take seriously, thinking we were the ultimate enemy of the west or some other bullshit like that.one of the longest alliances in the world was the one between the ottomans and the french. the alliances and the pacts of nations are based on mutual benefit above all else.the ebb and flow of nations and empires are too shallow for them to be memed in some deus vult larp.look at picrel. maybe you can notice something there on that guys outfit.
Mahmud of Ghazni fucked up big time by inviting half the Seljuk tribes into his territory
>>524071011>i dont think you know anythingNice argument bud.You are retarded.
Best thread in a long while. Today's greeks and turks, especially young people are good at history and it shows
>>524071011Its not a fact, ottomans followed by nationalist turks killed, taxed and forcibly converted christians and it reached to extreme levels by the end of 19th century which is why they started to revolt.
>>524071011but the muzshits are the ultimate enemy of the west, would you like to argue that they weren't or aren't?i don't care if the ottomanse stopped being muzshits the moment they realized the allahmodel doesn't work anymoredoesn't the quran command you(ottoman= muzshit) to not take the dog kuffar as allies or you are of them?idk why you're trying to hold onto this retarded ideal for a people who are far too gone under the curse of shitslam, take you for example, here's a turk having a bit of wine on a sunday saying he's not a muzshit or a christianyou are none because neither works for you, you can't fit anywhere and this is because of how far gone you are as a people under the curse of shitslamlet's see what bounces back
>>524071320India vs Turkey/Pakistan War would be kino, I think you would have a shot
>>524071272>memeflaglol, you did it mehmed
>>524051871Semitic claws
>>524071320it is a fucking fact retard you dont know jack fucking shit.seriously.this is so fucking sad.if we were really the bloodthirsty barbarians that you claim we are, none will be left alive. we had all the time in the world to achieve that goal.you are living in a fantasy in your fucking head.nothing more.>>524071390tell that same shit to the new world bro.the seeds of this double standard was sewn when hemingway came here.again you are suffering from delusions of grandure but for religions and cultures.and cannot see the world objectively like many people here.constantinople was destroyed by the crusaders man. we only settled for sloppy seconds.they killed each other more than we could ever do to them.the great schism. the 100 year wars. go down the fucking list.
>>524071804You left the christians alive because you wanted to tax them more. Jizya Tax I believe you called it.
>>524071970yea like everybody did. just like the greeks and the romans did.they conquered and expected taxes from their subjects.but of course there is a double standard and we are evil when we do it.
>>524072054You are so historically ignorant it boggles the mind.Non-muslims were taxed at a much higher rate than muslims.
>>524071804you didn't address the point i made thoughyou are fighting allahtooth to nail trying to fix the public image of a people who are far too gone under the curse of shitslami'm asking why? here's the ONLY thing the ottomans were; aside from this greentext and this is your point>ruining a good thing the previous people had going>making them a piece of shit people to everyone who aren't themgoing back to the only thing the ottomans were; >a muzshit people that are apostate if held to the quranis this what you're trying to revive? a basically retarded people who wear the funny hat with a tassel?
>>524072171yea just like everybody else man.stop pretending you are some hot shit when the provinces of empires were taxed differently.when there were different tax codes for countless empires.holy fucking shit man.seriously.you are the ignorant one here and claiming you are on a high horse when you are typing this shit from the new world where all natives were killed and their cultures destroyed.go touch some grass.
>>524072364>yea just like everybody else manWhat about non-muslims paid much higher taxes than muslims in the Ottoman Empire is just like everyone else?Not reading the rest of your historically ignorant post.
>>524072515Leave him, he's crazy
